Pictory

در ستايش 8 مارس

Mash Ghasem
Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:39 AM PST

VPK, posting this short essay in here, for you and all other cool Iranian men on this site, cheers

محمد قراگوزلو

1. در ستايش 8 مارس

Mohammad.QhQ@Gmail.com

يکم

� راست است که معيار آزادی هر جامعه يی بر مبنای آزادی زنان سنجيدنی است...

� راست است که آزادی هر جامعه يی در گرو آزادی زنان است...

� راست است که بدون آزادی زنان سخن گفتن از آزادی جامعه ياوه است...

� راست است که زنان نيمی از جمعيت هر جامعه را شکل می دهند و هر جنبش اجتماعی فقط با حضور نيمه ی خود (زنان) توان مند است...

� راست است حتا در مدرن ترين جوامع و کشورهای معاصر زنان از حقوق اجتماعی برابر با مردان برخوردار نيستند... =========================  .اين ترانه ی زيبای جان  لنون را زمزمه کنيد تا بخش بعدی يادداشت را بنويسم:

زن فرودست ترين دنياست

آری چنين است

بينديش و کاری کن

مجبورش می کنيم که صورتش را رنگ کند

و برای مان برقصد

اگر نخواهد برده باشد می گوييم دوست مان ندارد

اگر واقعی باشد می گوييم ادای مردان را در می آورد

او را مدام تحقير می کنيم

اما چنين می نماييم که روی سرمان جا دارد...

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Mash Ghasem Jan

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Fri Mar 04, 2011 10:49 AM PST

 

No problem. Thanks for your kind words; I apologize for any harsh words also. We do need to work together.

I am all for the March 8th call. Hey anyone who wants to stand up to these guys has my support. Not unlimited but over this instance yes I support her. 

One thing we need to remember is that support need not be unqualified. We could support each other and their positions within reason. If people want to protest against mistreatment of women in Iran I support them 100%. I reserve the right to disagree with the same person on other issues. That is normal. Unfortunately we like to elevate people to Godhood. Shirin Ebadi has my support over this particular item. I do not worship her and she is a human being like the rest of us. 

VPK jan, perhaps I was a bit harsh on you

by Mash Ghasem on Fri Mar 04, 2011 10:25 AM PST

didn't mean to. But still think we could and should support any and all efforts for March 8th , no matter who calls for it. I have tons of criticism for Ebadi , but in this specific instance she has my 100% support. Once again apologies for  my harsh tone towards you. You're one of the most considerate, thoughful ( though we don't agree on many items) people here on I.c. , cheers

P.S. March 8th is not a peared shape pink day, take a look a Clara Zitkin carrying a gun in her hands, you'll see what I mean? Clara was the one who suggested March 8th as the Interantional Working Wome's Day.

Mash Ghasem , YEAH shame on me for

by Marjan Zahed Kindersley on Fri Mar 04, 2011 07:42 AM PST

being able to read my own post, and deliberately not mentioning Shirin Ebadi, and thus high-lighting the "ludicrassies" (lovely word, I just made up) of this pink, pear-shaped day.

 

 

 

DM, maybe the trick is no doors, especially not revolving ones.;) 

Soosan Khanoom

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Fri Mar 04, 2011 06:16 AM PST

 

If I were to accept the statement by Ebadi it amounts to:

She knows Islam is BS but lives in IRR so has to pay lip service to it. If I truly beleived her I could understand where she comes from. But I don't beleive her: she supports the idea of an Islamic Republic. 

My own belief is that Islam is a non starter and IRR will not reform. It has to go and by force. Either the force will be internal; external or both. Meanwhile I live in the West. I do what is possible to warn people about Islam. I hope one day soon it is reclassified from a religion to a dangerous cult. Then banned and outlawed as were many other dangerous cults. Sooner the better. 

 

 

Mash Ghasem

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Fri Mar 04, 2011 06:10 AM PST

 

I am for complete equality of genders in all forms. This includes not being above criticism. Ebadi is just as subject to examination as a man.

Nobel Prize has become a joke and getting more by the year. It means nothing. I judge people by what they do not what others say about them.

My criticism of Ebadi has no effect on IR. For one like me there are 100s of adoring fans. You just want to silence the voice of minority. Have you read why I oppose her? I request you post my reasons and rebuttle them. 

As for "knee jerk" you are describing yourself. You just made a totally ridiculous claim about my motives. Shame on you!

My opposition to Ebadi has absolutely nothing to do with feminism. It has to do with her support for the Islamic system. Her shameless attack on freedom of speech of the Danish Kurt Westergaard.

//iranian.com/main/2010/oct/shirin-ebadi-akbar-ganjipage1 

I demand you prove your accusations or a retraction of your statemeny. If you are an example of Ebadi supporters then I was vindicated.

Shirin Ebadi

by Soosan Khanoom on Fri Mar 04, 2011 06:12 AM PST

"It so happened that I believed in the secular separation of religion and government because, fundamentally, Islam, like any religion, is subject to interpretation. It can be interpreted to oppress women or interpreted to liberate them. . . . I am a lawyer by training, and know only too well the permanent limitations of trying to enshrine inalienable rights in sources that lack fixed terms and definitions. But I am also a citizen of the Islamic Republic, and I know the futility of approaching the question any other way. My objective is not to vent my own political sensibilities but to push for a law that would save women, children and family. If I'm forced to ferret through musty books of Islamic jurisprudence and rely on sources that stress the egalitarian ethics of Islam, then so be it. Is it harder this way? Of course it is. But is there an alternative battlefield? Desperate wishing aside, I cannot see one." 

Dear Mash Ghasem  Unfortunately many Iranian women , both religious and non religious one , have no idea on the issue and who really Shirin is. I blame their lack of knowledge and their own selfishness.  

I am so proud of her and all her efforts in this field.  I can not find such a brave woman in the recent History of Iran. 

 

 

Marjan , VPK & O.P. with people like you, Gender Aparthied in

by Mash Ghasem on Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:07 AM PST

Islamic Republic is here to stay, for a long while.

Shame on all of you, for not distinguishing between a world recognized International Day of Working Women,  March 8th, and a person who is supporting it.

I might  (and do)  have a lot of difference with Ebadi, but at least support her when she is doing something correctly.

With an "opposition" like you, no wonder IR has been able to survive for so long. Once again shame on all three of you for your utter , knee jerk anti-Feminist reactionary reactions.

Diye ... va in charando paranda....

by opinionpost on Thu Mar 03, 2011 02:48 PM PST

Khanum Ebadi:

In Majmueye Charando Parand az koja miyad?

Look into Mirror and "straight your mind out". Then, you may 

Put your mouth where your "mind is" 

Marjan

by Doctor mohandes on Thu Mar 03, 2011 01:32 PM PST

Good .

That means no women can B... about men holding the door for them on dates. right?

 

Oh please

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:48 PM PST

 

Not Shirin Ebadi. She still thinks that Islam is the way to go. It is a non starter. No self respecting woman <or man> will bother with it.

FANTASTIC!

by Marjan Zahed Kindersley on Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:41 PM PST

We now have to pay the same insurance premiums but still get paid less, on average. 

 

Well done, you lovely feminists! We can now even open the door for ourselves and sue anyone for sexual harassment for opening one for us! 

FANTASTIC!

 

The passed twenty years have been an absolute, cringe-making sham! 

بيانيه شيرين عبادی در حمايت از تظاهرات برای 8 مارس

Mash Ghasem
Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:42 AM PST

12اسفند.بيانيه شيرين عبادی در حمايت از تظاهرات برای 8 مارس

جــرس: در آستانه هشتم مارس و روز جهانی زن، شيرين عبادي، فعال حقوق بشری و
برنده جايزه جهانی صلح نوبل، طی پيامی به زنان ايراني، سه شنبه آينده را
نيز از روزهای اعتراضی مردم ايران ناميد و خطاب به آنان خاطرنشان کرد
"مبادا در گير و دار حوادث سياسي، خواسته بر حق و هميشگی خود را که تساوی
حقوق است فراموش کنيم . در اين روز همگام و هم دوش با برادران هم وطن خود
به خيابان ها آمده و از خواست همگانی حمايت می کنيم، زيرا دسترسی به حقوق
برابر، جز در يک حکومت دموکراتيک امکان پذير نيست."

اين استاد دانشگاه همچنين خطاب به زنان ايران تصريح کرد "اما نبايد
اجازه داد که به بهانه بروز بحران سياسی و يا پرهيز از تفرقه باز هم خواسته
هايمان را ناديده بگيرند."

متن کامل بيانيۀ شيرين عبادی به مناسبت روز جهانی زن، که توسط دفتر وی منتشر شده و در اختيار رسانه ها قرار گرفته، به شرح زير است:

هموطنان گرامی

سی و دو سال قبل در ۸ مارس – روز جهانی زن – طبق اطلاعيه ای که از صدا و
سيمای جمهوری اسلامی ايران قرائت شد ، زنانی که کارمند دولت بودند از
ابتدائی ترين حق خود يعنی آزادی در پوشش محروم شدند و از آن پس به تدريج
هويت و شخصيت زن ايرانی دستخوش هجوم مردانی شد که حق مادری را پاس نمی
داشتند . آنان که خود را حتی از مادران شان با ارزش تر می پنداشتند،
بيشرمانه در قانون شان نوشتند که : " ديه زن نصف ديه مرد است".

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