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Mehrdad Jan

I was just using some examples of when outside action makes sense. The nature and degree of which is to be determined.

Yes America often seems to make terrible choices. Both against its own interests and those of other nations. It seems like self serving lobbies run the whole show. Their flirting with MKO is yet another example of their utterly self defeating policies. But they have also had some success. Their help to Kurds have allowed Kurds in Iraq to gain relative autonomy. In return they enjoy good relations with the Kurds. Another example is the initial support for the Northern Alliance. It seems to me that was very successful until NATO botched it up with overt occupation. America is good at direct conflict. Show them some tanks or some airplanes and they will take it out. However they are no good at any ting intricate or subtle. I am waiting to see how they deal with Libya and its fight.

VPK jaan:

In any of those situations and certainly not so hypothetical in IRI case (IMO) I would hope that not only America but the world would take a firm stands against and protect humanity.

Likewise providing material support to the people and let them fight their fight would be noble and I think it would serve America's long and future interest and by standing with the Iranian people. It is unfortunately however that often times America thinks of short term gains and let the long term disastrous policy to be sorted out by the future presidents. "What is it for me NOW" has been the name of the game for the last 30-40 years in America politics.

Mehrdad

Mehrdad

I am not so sure if this is all black and white. Imagine a situation like Libya. The opposition forces made major gains. Then the government hits them back with full military might. Under those circumstances a few American raids could make a big difference. Just taking out the bulk of Gaddafi's tanks and air force. The rebel will take care of the rest. I could imagine a situation where opposition would request military help from outside.

I like your opinion on this no so hypothetical situation. Other examples would be if the government goes on a major killing spree. For example as Saddam did with the Kurds and Southern Iraq Arabs.

Bavafa, I respectfully agree to disagree with you on your

last 2 lines!

If you are going be scientific about this then let's look at all of the possibilities:

US    Iran

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Lose  Lose

Win  Lose

Lose  Win

Win  Win

Naturally the last option is the best solution!?

Only wise nations find a way to arrive at that option (e.g., Israel and many others!)That's why we are jeloues at them deep down!

Unfortunately Iranians have not reached the mental maturity to get there, yet!

Also, read my 3rd paragraph one more time, please! I said I would abide by the law whatever the outcome maybe!

Thanks!

"Please spare me with the

"Please spare me with the peaceful Green movement stuff since that IS a cliche!"

I will

"I don't believe any sane parents would encourage or volunteer their sons and daughters to go to war. I certainly would NOT! "

If we are not willing to put our kids lives on the line, how can we expect and advocate others to do so?

"Forgive me for asking this but are a you a US citizen and did you mean it when you raised your right hand on the day of your naturalization to protect and defend the country!? "

No worries, yes I will. I hope that day never comes but if US is ever attacked or at the risk of being invaded by a foreign nation and it needs defending, I will hope to have the courage to enlist (regardless of draft) to defend her.

however, my point in all of this, I believe this is the Iranian peoples fight and they ought to be let to fight it out, afterall that is an American value, isn't it.

 So, we ought not to drag nor encourage America to fight it for Iranians specially that

If they [America] win, they [Iranians] have lost

If they [America] lose, they [Iranians] have lost

Mehrdad

Bavafa: Thanks for your calm and thoughtful response!

Yes and no on your analysis of alternative (AoA) even though you did not provide any other more effective and less costly option!? Please spare me with the peaceful Green movement stuff since that IS a cliche!

I don't believe any sane parents would encourage or volunteer their sons and daughters to go to war. I certainly would NOT!

But being a US citizen that I am and being a father that I am if one day the US government re-institutes the military draft and requires my son to enlist I don't think we would have any other choice but to do as the law dictates or to flee the country! That's what happens when you raise your right hand and take an oath to protect and defend the country!

Forgive me for asking this but are a you a US citizen and did you mean it when you raised your right hand on the day of your naturalization to protect and defend the country!?

If you are going to say that hey US soil hasn't been attacked then why would you want to bomb IRR, I would say that's not true!

Thanks!

Bavafa, hear,

Hear.

ELS

You and a couple more on IC maybe advocating of [only] bombing IRR and its supporters … but the reality is that if there is any bombing, the flame of it will take the whole country as

1 - bombs hardly differentiate between IR supporters and otherwise

2 - Most Iranians will see that as an attack on their country and will circle the wagons to defend it

3 - The few who will overtly not join the defense of their country, will get the wrap of it by the IRI thugs and killers

So, don't wish it on others before you know and understand the full consequence and perhaps you would be willing to send your own kids to participate.

Mehrdad

ELS

I am not really ganging up on you .... you are right .......many are saying the same thing ... do not take it personal ...I do not know you and i do not  care .. it just happened ..........  I am just so pissed off on them all .....  and this mentality and the motivation behind it 

Wish we had more people

Wish we had more people like her in the opposition:

//iranian.com/main/2011/mar/azar-majedi

ELS.. Noshador-e -te

Booye khoshe Noshador ayad hami.

Sedaye Naleye Iraniane-confused e felestine. ayad hami..

Teshne bash...

Correction! I have never ever advocated bombing of (Iran!?)

I have always stated that IRR and its supporters need to be bombed! These are two different things! 

Many others on this site feel the same way! Why ganging up on me?

To those who asked !!!!!!

you are fool not to see that everything goes back and depends on a permeant peace in the middle east..

 and if you are discussing a country in the middle east .. it is very hard not to avoid the other subject ............

now ..........I guess it all started with Mousavi's choice of shaall and all the ridicules remarks on that  ....   and if you look at the video ... well ..there you have it " THE SHAALL "  so it is not that irrelevance .....

 and then of course there is alway Deen Marteen singing with Mac Cain  the  " bomb bomb bomb iran " song  

HG, Bavafa, Fattollah you are all correct,

guilty as charged, I'll try not to let it happpen again.

God Bless Iran

Why?

Because this is an Iranian website and not an Israeli website.

MG

Thank you ... I'll take a look at the book that you have suggested 

Those peace activist should get themselves heard  ... it has been a long time  so far nothing has changed in that respect ..... 

exactly! my sentiment HG

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Well said HG:

But apparently it is emotionally more stimulating to inject Israel/Arabs into every discussion. Any wonder we are where we are?

Mehrdad

Hamsade Ghadimi! If I may, it's about the former...!

Foe some reason, the elements of Hezbollah (EoH) around IC tend to bring up the latter every time Iranians try to unite against them (i.e., EoH).

Fortunately, the expression God Bless Israel (GBI) is more effective than 1000 Fohshe this & that when it comes to putting EoH on their place! Hence, my usage of the GBI!

is this blog about mousavi

is this blog about mousavi (the old baseej) and his chenderghaaz speech or about israel.  it's hard to tell. 

Avraham Borg was actually a Speaker of Knesset for a short while

his latest book is a critque of the Holocust culture in Israel. Look him up, you might like it. When Israel invaded Lebanon back in early 80's, there were peace demonstrations in Israel of up to 500,000 people in Tel Aviv. For a nation of 4 millions (back then) that would be equilvalent of millions of people in Iran or America. More than 50% of Isrealis want to live in peace with Palestinians, and willing to stop all settlements.  The peace movement there is not as strong as it used to be, but it's  still alive and kicking; as much as they can. We all need to be united, and obviously informed about each others struggles.

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To the fifth column of Israel and her cheerleaders on this Iranian website:

Why are you wasting your time here?

It's over, Iran is here to stay.

There wont be any attacks against Iran anymore, nobody's got the guts to do it anymore.

It's over.

Why don't you move on to an Egyptian website, Tunisian website or Jordanian website because your help is needed more there. As far as Israel is concerned Iran is a lost cause now. What are you going to do with all those Islamic movements who have overthrown their governments there?

Handkerchief any one?

Iran has won this round of war against her. Don't wast your time here.

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Soosan Khanoom

No ... not really .....I know there re a few there struggling and ending up in Israelis jail .

You have no idea what you are talking about. There are *plenty* of Israel peace activists. They are not in jail and your statement is 100% false. Have you heard of the Meretz Party?

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Movement_%E2%80%9...

No they are not in jail; they have members in the Israeli parliament. The only one I know who was in jail is Mordechai Vanunu. Yes he was treated unfairly but he did reveal their nuclear secrets. If an Iranian had done that he would have been executed: both by Shah and by IRR.

Soosan you are rapidly losing credibilty. When I read your posts it sounds right out of the IRR talking points. Complete with the usual "blame the Jews" thing.

Also, please do not speak for "Iranians".  We don't need unelected self appointed "boland go". People are able to speak for themselves. Just stick to your own opinion.

God Bless Israel!

But God Bless America first for keeping Israel strong and all of its commitment to the land of Jews for ever!

Soosan Khanoom

let me tell you people who blog from Israel .........  your hanna has no color for any Iranian who are dying on the street of Iran to achieve freedom or for any other freedom fighter in the world .......  

I disagree. I have found their henna to have plenty of color. Much more than the henna of Islamic "scholars". More than the "Green" leadership.

whoever supports any stuggling nation in the world should and will support Palestinian cause for freedom as well ...

Nonsense. I am not out there to create world justice. I just want to help Iran. But if I wanted world justice I would not side with Palestinians. I will remind you that the Palestinians and their population sided with Saddam. They are not our friends and I refuse to take their side

This whole Palestinian thing is a way to distract us from IRR. We must remain focused on Iran. Not until we gain total freedom in Iran will I even talk about Palestine. And when I do you will not like what I say. Right now I say Palestinians are a distraction.

We should ally ourselves with Israel against Islamists. Not fight them for the "rights" of those who attacked us.

MG

No ... not really .....I know there re a few there struggling and ending up in Israelis jail .... they can not play anti-Semitic card on them so they call them " Self Hating Jews"    

please let me know if you have more information or just post some links ....

we have to get any voice that is not an extremists to get united together ..... Religion these days are just a Bull shit politics  .....

Sosan khanom, let me ask ya somehting,

are you sure there are no progressive Jews in Israel? Ever heard of Avraham Borg, and his friends?

let me tell you people who

let me tell you people who blog from Israel .........  your hanna has no color for any Iranian who are dying on the street of Iran to achieve freedom or for any other freedom fighter in the world .......  

Who ever supports the Iranian cause ....Whoever supports Libyan's cuase ....whoever supports all those African and ME countries in their fight and struggle against oppression ..

whoever supports any stuggling nation in the world should and will support Palestinian cause for freedom as well ...

and if you don't then you are a Hypocrite  .....  call me anything you want at least I am not a Hypocrite 

 But you are because I do not see Isreal is on the list of freedom fighters. ....unless one day its brainwashed people wake up like any other nation in the world and tell the Isreal assohole in charge of their government that enough is enough ......

here in The U.S we do have them......  they are called leftist Jews ......  more power to the leftist Jews ... may they can bring back freedom and  dignity to the suffered jewish people ...something that Israel has robbed them of ....

PERIOD  

ELS

I am exactly using your own medicine ....

these nocheh Isrealis who portray themselves as the Iranian patriots. And yet, when you apply some dose of neshador on them they reveal their true identity that is the defenders of the Zionist cause!?