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amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Most of the an-tellectuals of the time betrayed Iran. Half were either knowing or not in the pay of Soviets. Another bunch were just dubm which proves a Ph.D. does not mean a person has a brain.

My mother has told me a lot about Bazargan and how she used to adore him. Just to find out what a moron the guy was. I could tell you personal stories that would make anyone both laugh and cry. To laugh at their stupidity for and cry at our stupidity for going for them. Anyway yes people are understanding how they betrayed Iran. How they shot themselves in the not just foot but also head! The only ones refusing are the "left over" revolutionaries. Like another leftovers they are getting to rot.

Shah return

• We all know what Amir Parviz means. Return of Monarchy not Shahanshah Aryamehr.
• Besides Elvis *is* the "king". 

Amir Parviz

Sorry to break this to you, but the Shah died some thirty-one years ago. If he returns, it will be with Elvis.

Parham, Ezzatollah Sahabi and his father betrayed Iran/Shah

They ought to have stayed and fought, they denounced the Shah and called him a dictator and were devout muslims that wanted a islamic democracy.

I met losts of Iranians with similar view that helped bring khomeini, but left for the usa once they realized what they had done, those people I agree are disgusting and hypocritical. 

Sadly his Hezbollah Republic killed his own daughter as well as torturing him.  Hopefully the Shah will return and restore Irans Culture above Islam and gradually introduce political reforms as people grow and show they can handle it.

I'd like to see a liberal autocracy for at least the next 30 years and then based on proof of loyalty to Irans culture, a multiparty constitutional monarchy system. 

People are stating to be alot more understanding these days, they are realizing things they never knew before, like betraying the Shah was really the same as betraying Iran as he was the representative of Iranian Culture.

The Fate of those that betrayed the Shah was tough... its as if they were all cursed.

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

You are right. Islam thanks to Mollahs lost its moral authority among Iranians. Specially the real modern intellectuals. I am not talking about the fossilized 60s leftovers. I am talking about young educated Iranians.

Or not so young ones like myself and my parents. My mother is close to 80. She was once a devout Muslim but now denounces Islam. She believes in God but not Islam. To her it has become a personal spiritual matter now.

I am not an atheist either but no longer Muslim. I have more degrees than most of the "an-tellectuls" of the 60s. I also have enough brains to know if there is a God it will not be Allah. The benevolent God would be much more like Ahura Mazda. I urge you all to read the Gathas and decide for yourselves. There is no need to convert. Just read them and the read the Quoran. The "kolaheto ghazi kon" and decide which makes more sense. 

All of Iranian kids I have met that left Iran & family to go to

school are no longer muslim.  Though they still believe in god, mostly in a personal spiritual/moral way.  Islam is now like a shirt in Iran, people wear it, pretend to be it, but in practice hate it.  That is what I see and it starts with women, but is also the same in men.

With freedom of speech and expression in Iran the 10 percent of educated people that know how to demolish islam intellectually and are no longer muslm, will turn the rest away from it in a secular system.  For every 1 priest, you will see many people organizing anti islam organizations. 

Mullahs are now holding on by force and bullets, they lost their moral authority a long time ago and have done and are doing things which will make their destruction a wide spread event.

They disgraced themselves so badly their defenders can no longer use the excuse they have been using for 1000 years that well this group wan't the good islam, this ther one is.  Which is why MEK will get nowhere.

intellectuals across the board were forced to study islam and most became opposed to it.  Intellectuals, investors, business leaders, artists they basically lead society and are already leading it away from islam with all the dangers it poses, wait until the danger is removed and you'll see big changes.

I feel that islam will still stay, but for the poor, uneducated, backward, weak that have nothing, this is still alot of people, but nothing like before, when 80% of iranians went to mosque, that will go down to 5% like UK/France.

Secular

does not mean atheist. By God how misinformed Muslims are. All Secular means is that you do not impose a religion on people. Not that you prevent them from having it. USA is a Secular nation. All religions or none is welcome.

Iran is an Islamic state. Be a Muslim or "ahele ketab" or die. Muslims only understand intolerance. Their small minds are incapable of getting the idea of freedom of choice. That you may *chose* your religion. Not have it imposed by some **hole.

Yes Bazargan; Shariati and other Melli Mazhabi were fools. They wanted to impose Islam on people whether they want it or not. Well they failed. The result is that more Iranians *hate* Islam than they ever did. Thank IR for showing us real Islam.

Your facts

Are BS sir. I am an Iranian; all my family is Iranian. Not one of us is Muslim. We used to be until the Imam came. We saw the *** in Islam and denounced it. Iranians pretend to be Muslim because of fear of death. 

Muslims are known for their violence. For their intolerance and love of murder. In America as my link shows a full 50% of former Iranian Muslims have given it up.

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_American#Reli...

Islam is a disease that we must rid ourselves of. No matter; it has been proven over and over that mixing religion and politics is bad news. Americans are mostly Christian and real ones not fake like Iranian "Muslims". However American founders were smart enough to know not to mix religion and state. A fact that missed the morons like Shariati and other "Melli Mazhabi". These miserable souls do not even name their gang using a Persian name. They are Tazi and foreign. They belong in the dustbin or rather toilet of history. I will flush it for them.

Some Mollahs are smart enough to know Islam is dead. Watch this:

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_msvPkZ5SY

Islam was imposed on us by Arabs and worse by Safavids. We are now waking up and dumping it. Next regimes Islam will be gone to hell where it came from.

PS: You really need a face makeover.

just a bit of facts!

O.K...maybe I should mention a simple fact that more than %98 of Iranian population are muslims, and almost more than half of them still believe miracles from imams or even imamzadehs!...and we are talking about the best solution for educating and civilising them, unless you are one of those people who believe our nation is the best and smartest nation in the world,in this case I have nothing to say except handing you a mirror!...and if you believe in the lack of knowledge in our nation you would accept that we can not expect an atheist government coming to power in Iran in near future, from my own point of view I hate all religions especially Islam but I don't expect all Iranian follow my words, thirty some years ago most of them saw picture of Khomeini in the moon!!...

P.S. Your hollow slogans were: "Meli mazhabion = Oxymoron" and  "Bazargan was a fool and so is his son"! can you prove these claims??...

Hollow Slogans?

Do they include Mohammad raping a 9 year old? Is this the "prophet" melli mazhabi want to follow?

Or the Imam who murdered all the Marxists in his impotent rage. Because he was forced to sign a peace treaty with Saddam? 

Oh these are just slogans. No they are facts supported by history and reality. Melli Mazhabi live in a fantasy world. Damn Islam and all its followers.

I rest my case!

Just believing in some hollow slogans which has no proof of any kind is the master reason of all disasters we face as Iranians....! 

I am not

an atheist. I really believe Islam is the work of the div and Mohammad was their messenger. What kind of "man" rapes a 9 year old and brags about it?

Melli Mazhabion

Are a contradiction in term: oxymoron! How could you be for  foreign "religion" / cult and Iran? Religion is the enemy of freedom and in particular Islam. Bazargan was a fool and so is his son.

V.P.K.

Maybe you are not responsible for supporting Bazargan after resign with the reason of being so young!

But now that you are an adult and can read the history, do you still believe Nationalist are the one to blame or majority of our people who just made fun of Bazargan and call him Mola nasredin at the time!

I heard from my father people were making fun of Mosadegh at his time and call him soft minded too!..So this is our genetic nature to criticise Liberal leadres like Bazargan and even Shah (in 1979). They obey the vicious blood drinkers like akhoonds!

I am atheist but I beileve Meli-Mazhabion are the best leaders for Iran!

Now Roozbeh Jan

We all know that Shah was just as responsible for this *** as the rest. I have already been called Monarchist but I do recognize his responsibility. After all without Rastakhiz and one party system maybe he would have managed.

Thank you Amir1973.

Raising questions about "melli mazhabis" is somehow banned, because apparently they have been struggling agaisnts islamist regime for a long time despite their role in revolution. But so do Tudeh, MKO, communists and lots of others. Not a day goes by on this site withouth sending some "fohshe khar madar" to above mentioned entities. What makes "melli mazhabis" blood any more red than the rest?  

BTW, I see only one entity responsible for fascilitating this evil of islamist fascism on Iran. But I would not mention the name as I do not want the wrath of Darius Kadivar, through his youtube links on monarchy  upon me!

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

RIP to a human being

To people like Ezatollah Sahabi and Mehdi Bazargan, I say

1)RIP,

2)You are quite responsible for having ushered in one of the most backward ideologies and governments on this planet into our country, and

3)thank you for trying and for stepping up and feeling responsible and trying to fix things, even though you couldn't. 

I also cannot disagree more with the ideas of these people, but more important than their ideas is their willingness to get involved and attempts to include others.  I don't blame them for staying and fighting the best way they saw fit, and I don't blame others for leaving the country and fighting (or not fighting) the best way they saw fit.  I look at these and all other players in Iran (real or otherwise) as human beings operating in the contexts of their times and their environment s and their upbringings, and not as heroes or monsters.  They tried to do good and failed, and tried to fix things and failed.  If we as Iranians cannot learn to tolerate that and at least respect the effort, we don't have much hope for a democratic future, because that is the meaning of citizenship.  Maybe we can try to learn something from the past instead of being stuck in it.  Fortunately, I see this being much less of a problem in the new generation of Iranians, of whom I am very proud.

Please don't compare...

... the likes of Sahabi with the likes of Mousavi. The Sahabis are true democrats, the Mousavis are not. Neither are the Bani Sadrs. Big, big difference.
Also, those who say the melli-mazhabis facilitated the path for the Islamic Republic, think of it this way: Without them, it would have happened as well. There is no reason to think they were absolutely needed for the IR to instill itself.
I do agree that Yazdi was at one point a fundamental element of the regime and that he only softened up later... Whether he fought as much as Sahabi or Bazargan though, remains to be judged.

Shokaran

Please speak for yourself. We are not all responsible for marketing political Islam. And I do not blame myself for IR. Why should I? I did nothing to bring it. Did I give lectures like Shariati conning people? I did not burn down Cinema Rex. I did not take hostages. So don't you dare try to put the blame of those criminals on me. 

Bazargan did not do his best. He wimped out and "resigned" instead of being a leader and ordering the hostages released. Yes there may have been a confrontation. I was a kid at the time with little power and no one listened to me. But he was PM and supposed to be our "leader". Nevertheless I denounced the hostage taking.

Nothing is more sickening than trying to spread the blame to innocents. We are not all responsible. BTW: your picture could use a makeover.

We all are bunch of extremists!

I was wondering People who are judging Sahabi and co. are be able to name some political personalities that are perfect??

 All of them had and have some deficiencies and mistakes in their political life! That's why Iran is in the present situation!

So be realistic and have 360 degrees view! Sahabi and Co. had no intention to lead Iran to Ayatollahs control,it was us who didn't support them at the time we should support Nationalist against Ayatollahs!

Blame yourself not Sahabi, Bazargan or Bani Sadr!..they tried their best!

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Enghelabioon e dirooz are fully responsable for what we are enduring !

In politics there is no such of justification as "good intentions"  he (& co )they built the disaster in Iran. The Road of Hell is paved with good intentions always remember it !

no excuses for him, no tojih !

we (their own kids included) all are paying the price of  their stupidity !

Confirmed: Sahabi's daughter, Haleh, murdered at funeral

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Haleh Sahabi reading the Koran to her father prior to funeral (a few hours ago):
//www.rahesabz.net/story/37781/

Thank you Shifteh Ansari for shedding some sanity in here

I could not have said it better.

Ba Sepas

VPK jaan:

Will read it and thanks

Mehrdad

Can we discuss the role of Melli-Mazhabis in bringing IRI?

The Melli-Mazhabi clique has included such illustrious advocates of democracy, secularism and human rights as Shariati, Chamran, Ebrahim Yazdi, etc. These individuals, along with others, played a major role in marketing Islamism as a political "phiilosophy" to middle class Iranians and facilitating the rise to power of Emam-e Aziz. After they had helped Emam and his murderous goons take over the country, these Melli-Mazhabis were tossed aside like garbage by that same Emam. Since the time they were tossed aside like garbage in the early 1980s, we are supposed to forget their role in bringing the disastrous reign of the IRI to Iran. But still: Roohesh Shad. 

Mammad

Thank you Shifteh khaanoum

for trying to inject a bit of reality into these people. Could not have said it any better.

Look at one of these commentators: "Loving your nation and going to jail is not enough." Yeah, I suppose compared with his "sacrifices" of living in the West, issuing secular fatwas from the comfort of his home, and demonizing 1.4 billion Muslims on a consistent basis, what Sahabi and people like him have done is not enough!

Mammad

Mehrdad

Please read my other post. Loving your nation and going to jail is not enough. All his actions showed was that he had no idea where his head was.

Dear Haji Hknom

My great grandfather "loved" his children. But he once beat one of his sons nearly to death. His son went blind and it was the English doctors in Iran who cured him.

Love is not enough; you need wisdom.

Ezatollah Sahabi

Ezatollah Sahabi was a good man, with good intentions. I believe everyone was betrayed by the Islamic Republic of Iran, even those who seemingly shared ideals with it at one point.

I had a chance meeting with Mr. Sahabi in Tehran around the time the Berlin Conference debacle came about, an event that led to his imprisonment for a couple of years. He could have left Iran at the time to avoid imprisonment, but he talked as if the choice did not exist for him.

I would like to make an observation which some may not appreciate. I feel a friend needs to say this in the company of other friends. I think some Iranians in diaspora have lost their grip with reality. Look, the same "melli mazhabi's" that you poo poo and criticize have struggled with IRI's thugs and Intelligence Ministry for years, have served long and unfair prison terms for their conscience, their publications, and their protests. The same "reformists" that some people call "najes" these days, have been the primary prisoners of IRI for the past two years. The same "Mousavi-loving-Greens" that some people feel they have surpassed in their envisaged future for Iran, are those who gave life and limb for saying their thoughts on Tehran streets.

I think we all need to learn to live with the "real players" in Iran, those who have been persecuted and prosecuted by the same IRI we all wish would go away.

Ezatollah Sahabi may have had a political ideology I don't support, but I don't doubt his integrity, his courage, and his accomplishments. Look for old issues of his publication, Iran-e Farda, read the editorials and other articles published in there. You will see what I mean. He was courageous to be sure.

We all need to learn to be respectful of the struggles that have taken place over the past 32 years, and we also need to learn to live next to people with different ideologies in order to prepare for rebuilding Iran. Those who can't do this will be left out of Iran's future.

Dear Parham:

There is much merit in your comment here

Mehrdad