WKRG: DAPHNE, Alabama -- Shawn Esfahani is celebrating what he calls a "moral" victory. On Monday, a jury awarded Esfahani 7.5 million dollars in a slander lawsuit. Bob Tyler, who owns a Toyota dealership in Pensacola, admitted he called Eastern Shore Toyota "Taliban Toyota"...and told his customers Esfahani- who was born in Iran- supported terrorism. Esfahani says the lawsuit was never about the cash but about courage...courage to stand up to a competitor he says used racial slurs to try and destroy his company, hurt his family, his employees and tarnish his image >>>
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Please, be kind to "Bama" it's not all rednecks and...
by Mash Ghasem on Wed Nov 02, 2011 09:46 AM PDTAlthough "Bama" has passed the most reactionary laws recently, concerning immigrants, it still has its own progressive aspects in history of the US, including but not limitd to :
Rosa Parks//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Parks
COP Jaan - on "Bama"
by Anonymous Observer on Wed Nov 02, 2011 09:19 AM PDTWatch this clip:
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPCdwJAq3SA
from a great movie!
Way to go Shawn
by Cost-of-Progress on Wed Nov 02, 2011 09:09 AM PDTBut what would one expect from redneck-infested Alabama, or 'Bama as it is known to the locals.
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IRAN FIRST
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The living example that not all US/Iranian car salesmen....
by Roozbeh_Gilani on Wed Nov 02, 2011 09:00 AM PDTare associated with criminal elements such as mexican drug cartels and islamist regime revolutionary gaurds.
The living proof that the vast majority of Iranian Americans are hard working, law abiding citizens, appreciating and utilising the democratic laws and values of the society which has accepted them as immigrants and fellow citizens.
Kudos to this fellow compatriot and the democratic system which allows him to seek justice where it is due.
"Personal business must yield to collective interest."
This is a great victory
by vildemose on Wed Nov 02, 2011 08:52 AM PDTThis is a great victory not only for him and Iranina-American but also for America and particularly Alabama.
"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - Louis D. Brandeis
Thanks Esfand and DM for your comments addressed to me
by Anahid Hojjati on Wed Nov 02, 2011 08:29 AM PDTEsfand jan, All I know about the case is from this posting so I will check your link to learn more.
What ever his true motivation was...
by Bavafa on Wed Nov 02, 2011 08:24 AM PDTGood for him to sue and glad he won rather handsomely.
From a business perspective, he had all the rights to sue.
From a moral perspective, he had all the rights to sue.
'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory
Mehrdad
Anahid jaan he and his lawyers had asked for $28M and got $7.5M
by Esfand Aashena on Wed Nov 02, 2011 08:08 AM PDT//news.yahoo.com/owner-car-dealership-labeled-taliban-toyota-wins-millions-004302989.html
Everything is sacred
The US of A: Cradle of the best and the worst
by Mash Ghasem on Wed Nov 02, 2011 08:07 AM PDTAnglophile : US has many problems and limitations, yet its a head and a shoulder above its European rivals. The reason you might ask? The American Revolution: Enfranchisement and all other evolutions and revolutions its been through.
As for Mr. Esfehani, more power to him, he did the right thing.
DM: All this moralizing does not become underwear for Fatti, eef u know vat i meen. The US is a country of litigation and law, not to mention democracy. If you don't belive me, just listen to Mr. Lenny Cohen (only because him and I are from Canada, doesn't mean ve dont know anyting abaut over der).
Democracy//www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU-RuR-qO4Y
P.S. The 'Umerican' dude looks a lot more like Taliban than anybody else in that court. Or was that the 'court' face he thought would work best for him
Wow, the slanderer looked like he had just come out of a cave
by Anonymous Observer on Wed Nov 02, 2011 08:02 AM PDTI guess that's where he developed his way of thinking as well.
more about Punitive damages
by Anahid Hojjati on Wed Nov 02, 2011 08:00 AM PDTstill not sure whether Esfahani's ard was punitve but this is link to Wikipedia 's entry on Punitive dames. Note that it reads:"
Punitive damages or exemplary damages are damages intended to reform or deter the defendant and others from engaging in conduct similar to that which formed the basis of the lawsuit. Although the purpose of punitive damages is not to compensate the plaintiff, the plaintiff will in fact receive all or some portion of the punitive damage award."
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punitive_damages
I believe
by Anahid Hojjati on Wed Nov 02, 2011 07:58 AM PDTI have taken one or two business law classes, but that was years ago. If I remember correctly, one can be awarded either compensatory damages or he/she can also be awarded additional punitive money. The point of punitive award is to make a case so similar injustice is no trepeated in future. That is why women who sue for sexual harrassment, sometimes get awarded millions. Huge awards are very commonplace in US and it is not unusual or limited to Esfahani. I have to read more about the actual ruling but this high number seems to be result of Esfahani being awarded punitive damages. Our lawyer friends can elaborate more.
anglo, i agree. it's odd in
by hamsade ghadimi on Wed Nov 02, 2011 07:57 AM PDTanglo, i agree. it's odd in a way but it can be explained. in states where there are more transplants (whether foreigners or 10th generation americans), there is more friction between different groups. in midwestern states (at least in my experience), where most of the population is not made up of transplants, they treat "outsiders" more like a guests (the more polite word as you said). i read an article with the same conclusion. in this case, florida would be considered a "dog eat dog" state. in california, they have "native californian" bumper stickers and they treat the true descendants of the oldest habitants of the state (mexicans) like crap. i hope that makes sense.
p.s. i also agree with esfand from my experience with iranians moving from europe, europeans living in u.s., and understanding of lack of hate crime laws in many parts of europe.
Europeans are far LESS tolerant than Americans.
by Esfand Aashena on Wed Nov 02, 2011 07:54 AM PDTI know a lot of foreigners (Iranians or other nationalities) with European passports who've moved to US and have told me in no uncertain terms that Europeans are far LESS tolerant than Americans.
Some have told me that it has become so unbearable that they felt they were worrying too much and had to make a move and moved out.
In America there is discrimination but laws are stacked high against discrimination and as a result as time goes by the value of diversity becomes more known and practiced.
Of course there are backwards just like some like to call Iranians backwards but they'll get a taste of their own medicine, like this guy!
I for one don't feel like I want to move anywhere because of discrimination and consider living in America very good. I believe Esfahani felt the same so he sued the jackass!
Everything is sacred
I am
by Raoul1955 on Wed Nov 02, 2011 07:54 AM PDTSo glad that he won the case.
He is more American than the jerk who called him names.
He was/is a foreigner in the eye of other fellow!
by anglophile on Wed Nov 02, 2011 07:52 AM PDTIs this is an uncommon view or are there more to it than meet the eye?
Let the Lawsuite floodgates open!!!
by Dr. Mohandes on Wed Nov 02, 2011 07:45 AM PDTAnahid jan
You could not possibly be serious about this.
All the accuser had in mind was probably to put him outta Buisness or make a dent in his profit which is not anything unusual and happens all the time and under various disguises. WOuld it be fair to run to the Judge and come back with a sac full of cash everytime it happens? I can just imagine the Long line at the Courthouse.
WHo knows what really happened there! But i somehow have a very very hard time believing that calling someone a terrorist can cause such discmofort and incovenience as described in the text. That is a lotta hot air and crying wolf to me. How did it exactly hurt his family?? and his employers??? Unless he had all the iranians in town employed at the lot...
At the most he deserved a reward in the thousands.
My dah shahi.
Anglophile
by Dr. Mohandes on Wed Nov 02, 2011 07:34 AM PDTI still have my doubts and i just don't see where you are coming from and how you are connecting the dots...
He is no Foreigner, According to what you quoted . Was he not naturalized in USA and moved there when he was a teenager? Would calling someone in that situation a foreigner warranted?
Hamsade and Choghok
by anglophile on Wed Nov 02, 2011 07:36 AM PDTanglophile
by choghok on Wed Nov 02, 2011 07:26 AM PDTI do not know where you get your information from but generaly people in Europe are less religious and blind "patriotic" than in US of A. It does not matter how many generations african americans and Hispanics have lived in US they are considered second class citizens anyways.
Of course not everything is perfect in Europe, but in this regard I guess UK and many other countries in Europe are less problematic than US. No one cares for example that a ministers name is hussain or not as long as he accepts democratic rules.
Good for Esfahani
by Anahid Hojjati on Wed Nov 02, 2011 07:25 AM PDTHe did the right thing to sue the guy who was hoping to benefit from slandering him. More power to Esfahani. He deserves all the millions he got since next time a competitor wants to play dirty tricks, this case will be in the books.
anglo, you must not be
by hamsade ghadimi on Wed Nov 02, 2011 07:22 AM PDTanglo, you must not be familiar with american redneckery (i just made that word up). the americans compensate for their lack of snobbery based on being "pure" (more prevalent in europe) with their brand of redneckery. i've even seen first generation americans spew hate on foreigners! case in point: mexican americans (some with illegals in their own family) campaigning against illegal mexicans.
This just doesn't happen is
by alx1711 on Wed Nov 02, 2011 07:19 AM PDTThis just doesn't happen is US, same happens anywhere in the world. Red necks & Bogans are everywhere.
His competitor obviously didn't have the moral & mental capacity to compete with him!
I'll say Good on him :)
You got it correctly Dr!
by anglophile on Wed Nov 02, 2011 07:18 AM PDTIs it not odd for a recently migrated American citizen, to be viewed as a "foreginer" in the land that was made by "foreigners" (as opposed to its indiginous natives) whereas in Europe (England being an example) it is common to be viewed as a "guest" (put it politely) even for a second (or the third/fourth generation) immigrants. Unlike the US, Europe, and Britian in particular, was created by its indiginous inhabitants - and not so recently! It is not just the question of history.
anglophile
by Dr. Mohandes on Wed Nov 02, 2011 06:35 AM PDTI am sorry but your comparison does not make any sense whatsoever. Not to say that i am really crazy about this slander and "moral" BS thing and i think this reward is the most unfair of all rewards. AT least Tom hanks or something something actress shakes a leg or fetches in order to get rewarded at the OScars , But i cringe everytime i hear or see the news on this and how they end up justifying it, by calling it a moral Victory!!! Oh yeah??? how about Not taking the cash and just walking out the courtroom with your hands in the air then !!!!!
Got sidetracked there a sec. I just don't seem to understand the connection there ... One has more right to do this in England or UK because... Because they have been around longer and Have more history than The americans??? am i getting this right?
The dilemma of being Iranain-American
by anglophile on Wed Nov 02, 2011 06:24 AM PDTlol
by hirre on Wed Nov 02, 2011 05:52 AM PDTFollow the staty of liberty... wow, american iranians really should receive some kind of medal...
Whose the Taliban Toyota now beeeAAAch?!
by Esfand Aashena on Wed Nov 02, 2011 05:43 AM PDTEverything is sacred
A Trustworthy Car Salesman!
by Faramarz on Wed Nov 02, 2011 05:37 AM PDTI would even buy a used car from him!
This should be a lesson to some Iranian used-car salesmen who took the easy way to get rich.
NIAC said that there is not enough evidence that the other guy said anything bad about Mr. Esfahani, but if so, he should be strongly condemned!