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Anger problems

There are a whole lot of people on IC with real anger issues. Not just one from JK and his hate blogs to others. Flagging posts for no reason. Attacking other people without provocation. 

Misinterpreting any post. And GOD help you if you say anything good about Parsi! Why I have no idea but I am not in that business.

Now assume we did have a "democratic" Iran with members in Parliment. How are members going to be to each other. Will the factions act like here? Or are they going to work together. I hope am afraid it will be fighting.

VPK

I don't take instructions from you. If you have any issues take it up with Admin.

Well Truthseeker

I guess we do agree on something. If you notice I have not flagged your posts. I want you to be able to post. You see for yourself someone did flag my post. 

Regarding ignorance on IC just go read the blog on IATA to find out.

Good luck to you.

Same to you! And I really do mean it.

Now leave me alone and I will do the same.

So long.

DKabir: I am still waiting

DKabir: I am still waiting for your evidnce and proof. Proof that could be used in a court of law; nothing incidental or circumstantial.

In law, evidence is the part of procedure that governs the quantum (amount), quality, and type of proof needed in a court of law that can be trusted by the trier of fact.

The quantum of evidence is the amount of evidence needed; the quality of proof is how reliable such evidnce shopuld be considered. This includes such concepts as hearsay, authentication, admissibility, reasonable doubt, and clear and convincing evidence.

There are several types of evidence, depending on the form or source. Evidence governs the use of testimony (e.g., oral or written statements, such as an affidavit), exhibits (e.g., physical objects), documentary material, or demonstrative evidence, which are admissible (i.e., allowed to be considered by the trier of fact, such as jury) in a judicial or administrative proceeding (e.g., a court of law).

source: Wikipedia

"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - Louis D. Brandeis

VPK I wouldn't flag your comments

They are too revealing and some very entertaining. Please write and write as much you want as it is your right to talk as much as you possibly can. Your comments seem to be more and more from a frustrated person. Now you want to blame other people and attack them for the image you have created for yourself go ahead, but it is your own responsibility to show sensitivity to what happens around you and take certain actions. Peoples perceptions don't change by you harassing them. Many people, including repected members of IC have made hints but you dig your heels. I am not going to get into a to and fro with you as it is not what people come here to do, to respond to you. Good luck to you.

Your own words:

"The degree of ignorance amongst the folks here requires a wise man like me. To instruct them and bring wisdom to the discussion."

//iranian.com/main/blog/shazde-asdola-mirza-92 

I see my

perfectly reasonable post was flagged. Why? All I said is that if people write about VPK they should not be surprised if they get a response. If you don't want to talk to me: don't! That means do not write about VPK.

That is my handle and if you write about it I will respond. Leave me alone and I leave you.

If you flag this I will post another one. Flag without reason is a harassment.

VPK

I will post

whatever I want. For someone without "interest" in dialog with me some people sure are fixated on VPK.

If someone does not want dialog with me DO NOT write about VPK. On any blog.

You do that and you get a response and more than one. 

If you don't like the heat; get out of the kitchen.

Leave me alone and I leave you alone.

Got it!

I am not complaining

I have no interest in having dialog with you VPK, so don't jump in at every opportunity. I am just addressing Chokhok's point. 

Re: Accusing people

The way people have behaved att bets are off. TS: Why don't you read your own posts before complaining. Not to mention those by JK which pass any amount of reason or decency.

We either need rules or not. We got blogs which are filled with nasty attacks disguised as humor. People run cheering others at their great posts and sense of humor. Why not accuse people of psychological disorders. Nothing is sacred.

Choghok

Accusing people of psychological disorders and abandonment isn't funny either. But that's where we are.

Vildemose

I can show you interviews where TP has said that VF is not compatible with democracy and even at the end of this interview Trita puts a lot of hope in our youth's political savy /matureness to bring secular democracy to Iran.  So, the assersions of the person with the accusations that you objected to are fictional, at best. 

If someone is looking for Trita to get behind the pulpit and insult people (haart-o-poort), well, that is not Trita.  Unlike other political scientists in the US small towns who use H. Dai as a point of reference, Trita is in DC and he talks to a lot of people, whether Israeli, American or Iranian, and he does not hide it.  For example, the following is what is said about Trita's latest upcoming book (A Single Roll of Dice - Obama's Diplomacy with Iran), in TP's own site:

 //www.tritaparsi.com/

"....., interviewed 70 high-ranking officials from the U.S., Iran, Europe, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Brazil—including the top American and Iranian negotiators" 

Now, if others want to make an issue out of it, that is too bad.

Choghok

That is what people use as "satire" around here. Others call it "Cheap Shot". You decide for yourself. Also note that there is a natural division brewing and who comments where. Some blogs like this bring the whole crew.

Others are becoming divided into groups of like minded people. It is a shame we are not able to carry a civil discourse. Hence the result it people chose to keep out of on anothers way. Some do anyway.

Masoud is that Satire?

Satire should have a meaning not just be offending, this piece was just offending and accusing without any substance. It could have been taken of IRI TV programs, just shows the level of quality.

Watched rebuttal video

Just booted up the Mac and watched the rebuttal. Just a lot of accusations. The documents are mostly by the NIAC opponents themselves. It is like me printing a bunch of documents on "official" VPK paper as "proof". 

The funniest part is accusing Parsi of supporting the attack on Iraq. I don't know if he did. I suppose it will not be too hard to find out. Just ask him to write a blog and say it. My point will be who cares? Should an Iranian not want Saddam gone!

Remember Saddam killed a lot of Iranians. His soldiers raped and murdered Iranian people. They tore Khorramshar to bits and tried to take Khuzestan. Why should an Iranian not want Saddam gone? I bet the Iraqi Kurds are very happy he is gone. Now they get to breath air instead of poison gas. I am not in any way implying Parsi supported it. All I say is that I would easily understand why someone may want Saddam gone. I opposed the Iraq war because I don't like war. But obviously enough people did to make it happen. Oh and Parsi is  "accused" of being close to Bush! When did being close to the President of USA become a crime? If Parsi is really {I doubt it} close to IRI and Bush then he is just what we needed!  

Satires on the interview

//iranian.com/main/blog/shazde-asdola-mirza/interview-feridon-farsi

Good interview... sad community

Good interview.... sad community. 

Borrowing a word from Steve Jobs: isad about our community. 

A rather weak interview…

And a rather passive job by Khanom Shohreh Assemi.

But still lots of good info in between, in particular the last two question, specially the one about Iran and the response to it.

I also strongly share and support the sentiments regarding MKO, but wish he would be touching more on “Tahreem” in the sense of boycott and be supporting of it, though I don’t think US will ever do such thing.

  Babak K. Jaan:I would totally agree and be supporting with your point regarding “Tahreem” if that was to be of boycotting Iranian oil industry.  Unfortunately, that is not the case here and “Tahreem” is used in the context of Sanction and therefore not the same.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Vildemose pay attention

I just simply refer you to his own interviews, and speeches, if you do not want to go and do your home work and read, I make it easy for you, listen to him in this interview, did he answer the lady's question about the brutality of this regime? The answer is NO!

There are enough evidence on the web about Mr. Parsi and NIAC's connections to IRI, but let's say it is all fabrication, his own answers or lack of answers is enough for me to be convince that he is for prolonging the IRI life and that is not good for Iranians or humanity.

Those of you who have

Those of you who have criticized Trita so mercilessly have missed the point. NIAC’s mission is not to lobby for the IRI or seek its obliteration; it is “dedicated to advancing the interests of the Iranian-American community.” according to its mission statement. If we, Iranians, want to be counted in this country, we have to stand up and speak up and I think NIAC has done a good job
representing us in the US capitol. Dr. Parsi is an academician and not a politician and certainly does not deserve what some of you have accused him of or have said about him in this forum.

I think it is hardwired into our
brain, when one of us become successful and famous, the rest of us try to criticize
and discredit him/her often unjustifiably most likely out of jealousy, getting
into band-wagon mentality, or simply not having anything of our own to
capitalize on.

Saving Iran!

Interesting how Mr. Parsi employs fallacious arguments against sanctions in order to avoid the questions posed to him by the interviewer. At 12:58, Ms. Assemi asks a question about WHAT TO DO with the IR regime which has blocked all possible democratic options for any change in Iran. Mr. Parsi opts for not answering the question directly. Instead he engages in his usual rhetoric about WHAT NOT TO DO! He talks about US-Iran relations with regards to the possibility of an impending "accidental war" between them. Then he resorts to the kind of desperate and ludicrous logic that smacks of opposition to any regime change by Iranians. Why should he bring in all the gratuitous and irrelevant details which have little bearing on a very direct question Iranians are facing? Why can't he simply come to point with regards to the question of how Iranians and NOT AMERICANS must deal with a brutal regime which has ruled Iran for more than three decades. Why bring in the US-Iran relations at that point? Ms. Assemi's question was crystal clear! She even mentioned the Reform Movement's plan not to join the upcoming elections.   Mr. Parsi's infantile argument that since sanctions may take time to lift, so it is best not to impose them, was even more ludicrous. Although someone has suggested he needs to improve his proficiency in Persian, it was not Mr. Parsi's linguistic ability that stood out most. It was rather his desperate attempt at demagogic and deceitful rabble-rousing without offering an intelligent response to the most important question in the interview that is cause for concern. Mr. Parsi himself says that the regime in Tehran WILL NOT accept the proposition to have contacts with the US military in order to prevent an "accidental war," but he criticizes "those" who are against such contacts. If one party of the only two involved does not accept having contacts, does it really matter who is for or against them? What's his objective for even bring it up, except for his unwillingness to talk about the real issues of Iranians? He does, all be it momentarily, mention human rights abuses by the regime which, as a matter of fact, did not start only two years ago!

 Another reproach against

 Another reproach against Trita: I hope they are not true.

 //iraniansforum.com/index.php/video/viewvideo/75/news-a-politics/---

"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - Louis D. Brandeis

If that video has any factual basis to it, Trita is finito

Its a character assasination in addition to a rebuttal.  Trita would be crazy to act anti-republican and pro iraq war.

amirparviz Jan

Dai is a perfect example of why people sympathize with NIAC. His dubious past and questionable allies. I won't even bother saying them. Please google it and find out for yourself. It is all on the web. Just find it out for yourself. 

Amirparviz Jan

It is very simple and I said it many times before. NIAC is a lobby group with little power. It is not going to make or break IRI. It does have the ability to make somethings better. You know the stuff and I won't repeat them.

When it comes to Iran policy no US administration is going to base it on NIAC. Please do not worry about it. They base it on other things. Plus I do not see any proof Parsi is working to keep IRI. There are so many allegations I don't even bother to read them.

After watching the way NIAC opponents behave it is hard for me to side with them. I saw the youtube and they were a bunch of childish bullies. Maybe that is why people are undecided.

Rebuttal of Trita Parsi’s Assertions

Hassan Dai’s Rebuttal of Trita Parsi’s Assertions.  Dai shows documents. 

//iraniansforum.com/index.php/video/viewvideo/116/news-a-politics/--------

Don't Iranian Amercans mostly want something NIAC isn't giving?

Don't Most Iranians want regime change of the unreformible fundamentalist hezbollah party imposing dictatorship, corruption & tyranny on all Iranians.  When Trita advocates a grand bargain to secure the IRI regime, why is it that so few people feel sold out?  Sure he has done a few good things for us, but aren't we all opposed to his service in the sense that our #1, #2, &#3 priorities as Iranian Americans are being neglected by his leadership?  He doesn't pursue our top priorities but he's the best we got, isn't there a flaw there?

Should't we be clear on what we want from the so-called Free world with NIAC's help and be sensitive to those wishes and demands. 

Go here to discuss what we want //iranian.com/main/blog/amirparvizforsecularm...

 Darius Kabir: Where are

 Darius Kabir: Where are your evidence and proof?? Can you prove these allegation in the court of law or you're jus spewing unsubstantiated slander??

"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - Louis D. Brandeis

Why bash Parsi

My opinion is that people feel threatened by him. Some because he actually does something. He reminds them of their own inaction and "hart o port". I used to be "golden" until I said something good about NIAC.

Then the whole hard right started attacking me. "Chadori"; "Evin Guard" and so on. This is typical of the people who have no use for other opinions. I remember watching a youtube of Parsi trying to give a talk. I think it was in Los Angeles. A bunch of Iranian "Patriot" went and shouted him down. They did not even let the guy open his mouth. I was embarrassed just watching it on youtube. It was exactly what we see here on IC. Attacks based on no evidence whatsoever. Demands that he release this or that. Reminds me of the "Birthers" with Obama. When there is an irrational hate nothing will do. On one hand they demand Parsi have no contact with IRI. Then want the guy to stop IRI human rights abuses. As if IRI is sitting waiting for orders from Parsi. 

There are a few who actually use reason but for most part it is attacks. I said it before I say it again. If this crowd takes over there will be just as many executions as today. It will just be a different group of people getting it. 

BTW: A lot of these guys are sitting on piles of money. Why don't they open their own lobby. But that costs money God forbid they might have to spend it!

It is a lot cheaper to sit here and type insults. Attacks and not give any reason. It takes no work and does not cost anything. Lets off the steam cheap and anonymous.

Go for it. USA is a free nation and JJ is pretty open minded. I wonder how many of the Parsi haters would be as open minded as JJ.  Very few.

NIAC

I've said it once and I say it again... If NIAC didn't exist the only "lobby" groups fighting for the "iranian cause" would be the Mujahedin, royalists or different red groups. NIAC is the voice of the iranian people, without NIAC we would only have to endure Rajavi or Pahlavi speeches during the recent 10 years...

We need strong lobby groups like NIAC, why do you think the jews got a special treatment after the world war? Because the world was caring 50 years ago? No, it's because a lot of powerful jewish people decided to setup a goal and work hard for it. This resulted today in a powerful country called Israel which gets $20 billion annualy only from the USA alone, among other things. Iranians need learn from the jews, go by that principle and understand that lobbying american politicians is the only way to change the fate of Iran...

An IRI agent paid for by Sepah

NIAC's and this guys existent depends on IRI's survival, and Mr. Parsi knows that very well. He is desperately trying to do his best to prolong IRI life. I remember not too long ago he was denying any human abuse in IRI, he would refuse to even admit if there was any abuse in IRI. He still has not answer about his connections to some IRI's companies outside Iran. He has said it clearly that he is not for regime change and he is loyal to Velayet Motlaghe Faghih (Ali Khamenie). I am willing to give him the chance of claiming that he is an Iranian patriot if he change his stand on regime change and offer some kind of path to democratic Iran through election without Velayat or any other dictatorship. All and all he is nothing but an agent  of IRI paid for by Sepah's  subsidiary companies.