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It's called difference of opinion...

...deal with it!!!

Dear VPK, it's refreshing to see you back to your own self (however long it's gonna last!), it must be the vacation! The problem is, that even in a forum like this, which has afforded us the freedom of speech and opinion, some of us can't help but feel self-righteous enough to try to shut others up and label them as one thing or another! Then, what can we expect from a country of 80 million?!

The main opposition to IRI is due to lack of tolerance for difference of opinion and labeling the opposition as the "enemy" or "traitors." Even if IRI falls, we're still going to have to face opposing opinions, does that mean any loud-mouth schmuck is going to have the right to attack and stifle others just because they don't share his views? I don't think so! Otherwise, what's the difference with IRI?! 

Arj Jan

You got very good points and I agree iti unlikely that IRI wastes money paying agents on IC. What to track a few dozen posters who don't do jack!

It's time for some of us to realize that we are pretty much nobodies, 

Please repeat this: "I am somebody; I am somebody; I am somebody"; then send me 400$ for the therapy and consulting fees. Just send it to JJ and I will ask him to forward it to me.

Thanks!

Arash

Why are you so preoccupied with Israel; this is Iranian.com and I worry about Iran. I am talking about pressure on IRI and without a question Obama has put more pressure than anyone. 

Regarding Israel keeping IRI in a bottle I want IRI gone not in a bottle. Nor do I think Israel has the desire or ability to help Iran. Any actions by Israel will only help make IRI popular.

I am sick of people make this about Israel. On both sides we got Israel haters and Israel first types. Both of them wrong and not helpful to Iran. No I don't trust you; a person who advocated use of nukes on Ira. I am not crazy to trust you.

veiled prophet of khorasan

Obama started his presidency with huge pressure on Israel in order to force Israel to accept a new peace plan. This went on for quite bit of time till Obama finally understood that he is better off to stick to his old trustworthy ally( Israel) than hopping around. Trust me, only israel can keep IR in bottel. 

Arash Khan

I am really tired of the right wing drivel and Obama bashing. He put more pressure on IR than any president. How did Reagan or Bush I or II do?

Things will change under Romney

It is a great development to know that Mit Romney will be the candidate for republican party. IR will face a different U.S.A than it did under Obama who has been one of the greatest disappointment in U.S history. 

It's called, survival of the fittest!

It's called, survival of the fittest. So, live with it!

If Mullahs in Tehran thought they could take over the whole world they wouldn't hesitate a minute to start wars with their neighbors. Take a good look at what they have done to Iran and Iranians.

Between 5,000,000 and 7,000,000 Iranians are believed to have bee forced into exile in diaspora. The only reason for that is the Mullahs believe they have the power to treat people any way they like. And they got more than a million Iranians killed in their war with Iraq. They won't have any qualms about getting millions more killed.

The only solution for Iranians is to get rid of the regime before it provokes another war.

Middle-East under siege under PLAN C

Do you remember Mr. Bush talking about Plan A, B....and C. Well PLAN C started 2 years ago with Egypt and Lybia and spreading. Who is taking the pressure? I think the poor Iranians in Iran...not the regime or Iranians abroad. Iranians abroad feel like watching an action movies in their cozy homes! 

I really think that the burning issues for Iranians abroad are fundamentally different than that of real Iranians (living in Iran). I think those of us (including myself) who has lived more than 3/4 of my life outside, have a very different set of issues in our agenda. Some of us have high profile goals such as snatching the key posts from Agha-zadeha. Some of us only want to be able to go to Iran and be chador-less and have fun in disco. Some of us want to take revenge from Akhoond's who killed our relatives. Some of us love Israel and just can afford Iran if it is supporting Israel. Some of us genuinely want democracy for our people but we know such a thing can not exist for people with Iranian caliber!

Contrastly, Iranians mostly in Iran have basic issues: Inflation, Unempoyment, Unstable economy, lack of basic services, Unlawfulness, totaliterian regime (But they know for a third world class country it is either domestic dictatorship or puppet regime)

Amir1973 here is the article

//www.thenewamerican.com/history/world/1111

Good info. so i just took out a few paragraphs I liked and added my own views after, I thought it seemed obvious the voice of that author was totally different from mine and that he was just used as an example, which I then wrote views about. Learn from its wisdom

ARJ, I feel your pain.

Irans human rights was the whole point for most iranians,  we weren't proud of it yet, it was not faultless, but at least we knew it was getting better in some places and standards of living were for the first time rising across the region, if the human rights issue turns out to have been a lie, intentionally fabricated to be used to topple the late shah and bring extremists to power to topple the Iranian leadership and stiffle Irans Growth.  If it was because of Israels fears of an islamic nation gettng powerful in the region and having nuclear weapns too and being able to be independent of israel, to oppose it and keep its plans for expantion in check, that would harm relations.

Israel really needs to prove its loyalty to the Iranian people by activel supporting the democratic opposition and not interferng with in it.  And for Israel to stop promotin the war industry which will decimate iranians for generations.  Change your politics and trust iranians for a change or else their will be big problems to deal with, no one can be above Iran as a teacher & lecture over us on any issue, We don't accept lectures from hypocrits and value ingetrity by admitting our mistakes in betraying the Shah.  These western governments who have possibly harmed iran too much over the last 33 years, if indeed there was no human rights case against the late shah, then the supporting the mullahs was a humans right crime that was really started by those in the west !) to help a certain country while 2) helping themselves too by making a country a poverty case and getting its economy to shrink, and no longer be facing a competitor in production and development.  Your Greed and inhumanity are shocking to us all.  This is why we question you when we see your blind devotion to Israels policies and also hear you want more democracy for Iran after when you insisted on we getting human rights we got these guys and we don't see democracy in your country, where is an opposition to Israel in your politics, Is it really the US Interest being served by Israels actions?  Are these crimes really your work and you are just using israel as a ram to run over the countries in the region and keep them underdeveloped and weak, sad we didn't all see the reason you really took down the shah and that was because the development and independence and freedom that was gradually coming to all parts of iran, that you had opposed him all along and wished to keep iran backwards, but he just wouldn't go along with the lmitations the US was trying to put on Iran.  We on the one hand, who have good reason to no longer trust you, want some of our leaders from the previous regime we brought down with your help, since these are the only guys also not complicit in allowing these iri thugs to come to power.  That alone should make them super stars in Iran, if it ever comes to light that they never committed crimes against people and their human rights and that there may be a real effort going on here to orchestrate and find out of thin air yet another khomeini, but a commy version maybe.  The old team weren't so bad, right now they are the only ones any one can have any trust in. War is not on an option ever.  Irans devlopment and progress will not be allowed to be set back by any body outside Iran through any Interference, if anyones help is wanted it will be asked for and for now the best thing we can do is disconnect from each other, including official trade and communications.  But first things first, since we have dreamed this far lets make it complete, the USA is going to have to get out of interference and having military bases in our region good luck on seeing any of that. hahaha yeah it felt funny typing it. ; )

The cyber warrior complex!

It's time for some of us to realize that we are pretty much nobodies, sitting behind a computer and shouting slogans while sipping on our favourite drinks and babbling about our politics! We're not warriors here! The most daily hits a blog gets here is one or two thousands tops as opposed to hundreds of thousands on FB and YT! Are we actually that gullible as to think that IRI is sending agents to hinder our battle here?! There are IRI supporters here, but they're just West-residing losers like us who want to "battle" their enemies and defend IRI's honour, and that's about it! It's all a big and sometimes-funny joke!

But if you want to take yourselves seriously, fine..., go ahead, the tiny little warriors you are, fight your tiny little battles with your tiny little enemies in your tiny little imaginary world! Happy dreaming!

APFSM's cut-and-paste job (with an omission)

Here is the original:

At the center of the “human rights” complaints was the Shah’s security force, SAVAK. Comparable in its mission to America’s FBI, SAVAK was engaged in a deadly struggle against terrorism, most of which was fueled by the bordering USSR, which linked to Iran’s internal communist party, the Tudeh. SAVAK, which had only 4,000 employees in 1978, saved many lives by averting several bombing attempts. Its prisons were open for Red Cross inspections, and though unsuccessful attempts were made on the Shah’s life, he always pardoned the would-be assassins. Nevertheless, a massive campaign was deployed against him. Within Iran, Islamic fundamentalists, who resented the Shah’s progressive pro-Western views, combined with Soviet-sponsored communists to overthrow the Shah. This tandem was “odd” because communism is committed to destroying all religion, which Marx called “the opiate of the masses.” The Shah understood that “Islamic Marxism” was an oxymoron, commenting: “Of course the two concepts are irreconcilable — unless those who profess Islam do not understand their own religion or pervert it for their own political ends.”

Which "amirparviz" cut-and-paste without any attribution or acknowledgement whatsoever of the original source, except "amirparviz" removed the word "pro-Western". 

Here is the link:

//www.thenewamerican.com/history/world/1111 

A few questions

A few questions for the tiny little brains of IR's propagandists and apologists:

Why is it that Palestinians and Iranians keep falling for these schemes? Don't they know any better? Why is it that after more than three decades your "revolutionary" slogans have not morphed to something more positive? Why has Iran with such great wealth been turned into a poor country? Why are millions of Iranians living in exile in diaspora? Why such rampant thieveries?

And why is it you dont want to deal with so many problems Iranians have?
Why not ask Iranians what their real national interests are? Why is it that you believe you and your likes can decide for more than seventy million Iranians what their interests are?

While contradicting yourselves here and there, you have reduced all the issues Iranians have to Pahlavis' tyrannical rule and the schemes of US Imperialism. Of course, we never see anything from your side pertaining to Russia's schemes! Or China's schemes!

Anytime there's something against the regime you make sure to jump in and relate it to the Pahlavi regime which was deposed some thirty-three years ago. Or the events of some sixty years ago. Is that by chance? Or is it by diverting attention to those issues you are trying hard to cover up IR's crimes?

P. S. The fall of the Soviet Union that seems to bother you people so much was not US's fault. SU imploded on its own.

The chicken hawk self-promotions!

Contrary to the predictable loud-mouth chicken hawks' knee jerk brandings and farcical portrayals that only see things in pro-Israel and pro-Palestine terms, IRI's criminal behaviour and their brutal treatment of our people does not give war criminals such as this SOB (BaraK) the right to interfere in our national affairs! Despite all the propaganda, the very last thing A-holes like this guy, and his boss BB, give a rat's a** about is the plight of the Iranian people under IRI!

These bastards are only after scoring geo-political points with IRI and other players in the region. If it suits their strategic interests, they not only support them, but prop up their allies -- e.g. creation of Hamas by Israel to help IRI's stance against the moderate Fatah who was increasingly gathering international support -- and not to mention their now well-known sell off of  arms to IRI and providing Saddam with millitary intelligence during the Iraq-Iran war! They don't care if IRI kills and tortures the entire people of Iran so long as Israel's interests are guaranteed!

G Rahmanian IRI crimes will not be forgotten, nor those who

helped bring them to power and still wish to keep them in power.  Watch actions, not words.

The
U.S. media found the Shah “a dictator, a despot, an oppressor, a tyrant.” despite there not being a single case of him ever having or using absolute power, like in Iraq, Syria, Russia Kennedy
denounced him for running “one of the most violent regimes in the
history of mankind.”  That is laughable in its degree of hypocrissy, when we think of the US Govt officials making such an assertion about a king that had only concluded peace treaties with irans neighbours only to have the US go to war with them preemptively.

At
the center of the “human rights” complaints was the Shah’s security
force, SAVAK. Comparable in its mission to America’s FBI, SAVAK was
engaged in a deadly struggle against terrorism, most of which was fueled
by the bordering USSR, which linked to Iran’s internal communist party,
the Tudeh. SAVAK, which had under 4,000 employees in 1978, saved many
lives by averting several bombing attempts. All Its prisons were open for
Red Cross inspections, and though unsuccessful attempts were made on the
Shah’s life, he always pardoned the would-be assassins. Nevertheless, a
massive campaign was deployed against him. Within Iran, Islamic
fundamentalists, who resented the Shah’s progressive views,
combined with Soviet-sponsored communists to overthrow the Shah. This
tandem was “odd” because communism is committed to destroying all
religion, which Marx called “the opiate of the masses.” The Shah
understood that “Islamic Marxism” was an oxymoron, commenting: “Of
course the two concepts are irreconcilable — unless those who profess
Islam do not understand their own religion or pervert it for their own
political ends.”

You know G.R. unless we learn from the past, people will continue to beat the drum using lies and hypocrissy for their own political ends, which if they are in harmony with the wests aims for Iranians it will again intentionally produce an even greater catastrophe for Iranians than what we have already witnessed for 33 years. 

Does it makes sense why all this is very important, so people are not misled once again with western support to achieve their aims, which some are not even aware of here.  Freedom could be closer than you think, if enough Iranians instead of lookng towards the west as a source of help realize its game and counteract it, we are not too far from it as dark as the situation appears because of the experiences of people within iran in contrast to those outside, provided we have enough people that are aware and have learned from the past. 

GR the truth is not blame and the truth is good despite whether

people want to hear it or not, or feel it is very anti-western, the truth does not whitewashing IR's crimes or any crimes for that matter provided it is all of the truth.  We need enough Iranians to be aware of who loves extremists and who supports extremists like the IRI and why, what does this accomplish for them?  What is their goal?

If you don't have the answers a good place to start is to start interviewing various experts about this not affiliated with any particular interest.

Dictating double standards is the worst approach used by West

For Iranians this nuclear situation gives us an important and necessary opportunity to gain greater understanding about the wests motives, something that is badly lacking as a result of the mass manipulations presented by the so-called free media/which act more to conceal than reveal information regarding the USA, France, UK with respect to Iranians.

It is important we understand how we got here, no it is essential be understanding as to where Iranians are why Iranians are where they are today. Ask yourselves the important and obvious questions that you will need to find answers to.  Why was it that at the height of Iran’s prosperity, the Shah suddenly became the
target of an ignoble campaign led by U.S. and British foreign policy
makers. Bolstered by newly started slander in the Western press, these forces, along
with Soviet-inspired communist insurgents, and mullahs opposing the
Shah’s progressiveness, combined to face him with overwhelming
opposition.

How did the late Shah in just 3 years go from a from vibrant monarch to exile (on
January 16, 1979)?  How did he die of causes not accountable to his own genetics, unlike his sister that lived far longer?  And why did Iran fall to extremist terror for over 33 years.  What was accomplished by all this? As more Iranians Focus on the actions of others and not their words, they will start to uncover coveted information and hopefully all of the truth.  There is no better place to start. 

Why so much sympathy for IR?

Why so much sympathy for IR and Palestinians, but not Iranians? Why are there needs for euphemisms and excuses to justify IR's crimes committed against Iranians?

What Israel, the US and other states do vis-a-vis IR does not justify IR's crimes against Iranians in the past three decades. To blame other countries for what has gone wrong inside Iran since the Islamists came to power is tantamount to whitewashing IR's crimes.

Contrary to what is being claimed here, IR criminals have been extremely competent in turning Iran into a hellhole, on their own. How is Israel determining Iranians' fate is beyond me.

Those who have followed Iran's history in the past 33 years are aware of the fact that IR with or without perceived or real enenmies would have done the same to Iran and Iranians. No amount of euphemisms or excuses would ever alter the historical events of the past or justify the crimes committed by IR.

Apparently, the Palestinians for whom the IR is taking us to war

for, and which are the ones for whom a certain IC cabal tears itself apart for day in and day out, are better taken care of by the Israeli occupiers than the people of Iran.

The Palestinian territories have a lower infant mortality rate than Iran: 

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate

The standard issued reply follows...

Only you and I know well who is "mooching" off who :) and I can't tell you to get a job, since you already have one that pays for your two-blog-a-day hate message.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

مار که پیر میشه...!

Unfortunately, IRI's gross incompetency has broguht us to a juncture in which Israel has found the audacity to determine our nation's fate!

Islamist Palestinian crop dusters

Islamist Palestinian crop dusters have got to stop mooching off the Iranian people and get a job.

On their time off from a day's honest work, the Islamist Palestinian crop dusters  can dream about their Islamist Rapist buddies having nuke to stay in power for ever, dream on boys, dream on!

Hear it from the horse’s mouth here….

Both from official Israelis and those mouth piece of them on IC;

The only thing matter to them is "cessation of all nuke works" as “nothing else will do”

And from the Israeli officials dictating the terms of negotiations for the world – if that is not managing the world then what is?!?!?!?

Last but not least, we see day-in day-out how the threat of attacking another nation, not if but when, has become the accepted norm in the sane world.

If one makes a spreadsheet of Nazi’s pattern of conducting foreign affairs and policies, what regime do we find closes to match those patterns?

Israel need to come to term that its monopoly of nuclear bomb is coming to an end, they need to submit to a nuclear free middle east if they don’t wish to share the threat

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Ending all nuke works

The sane world has to demand the complete cessation of all nuke works by the Islamist Rapist Republic (IRR) and the dismantling of the nuke making equipments, nothing else will do. 

Airtight sanctions till the fall of IRR!