Iran, Syria huddle as fighting rages

Bashar al-Assad makes rare TV appearance

CNN: Syria's president welcomed a top official Tuesday from Iran, a friend and ally of the much-reviled and increasingly isolated government in Damascus. Saeed Jalili, secretary of Iran's Supreme National Security Council, met with President Bashar al-Assad to discuss resolving the 17-month-long civil war and rescuing several Iranians who were kidnapped over the weekend in Syria. State TV showed footage of Jalili and al-Assad in the first video of the president that has surfaced since last month >>>

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Frashogar

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 //www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMLlSYb2HGE

Do you work for the US State Department or Voice of America? Because it sounds like their positions coming out of your keyboard. If not, you will eventually realize as you get older and more experienced that the world is a lot more topsy-turvy and unpredictable a place than people like you make it out to be. If and when Assad finally falls, and I have my fingers crossed that he doesn't, the carnage and terror unleashed in Syria and throughout the rest of the region spearheaded by the Saudis and Qataris will make everything preceding it look like nothing by comparison. If Americans think the past decade was bad where terrorism is concerned, the next decade will look ten times worse if the Saudis and Qataris get their wish. Do yourself a favor and watch this documentary below and have your co-workers at VOA or the USD, or wherever it is you work, look at it as well. You may learn a few things and reconsider at least a point or two: //larouchepac.com/ww3


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I feel sorry for me too

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For wasting my time debating the Syrian issue with someone whose contributions to the topic amount to nothing bit a vehement defence of IR's best friend.


Frashogar

Before you question my motives

by Frashogar on

Perhaps you ought to develop your foresight. Yes, the UAE is far more repressive a regime than the IRI and the FSA is al-Qaeda. If you believe otherwise, I am sorry for you.

Don't let a couple of fancy buildings fool you about the UAE. It is one of the most repressive societies on earth.


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Frashogar

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You of all people complaining about "one-sided" and "partial" analysis is amusing, especially given the highly selective clips you post to support your nonsensical claim thst all Syrian opposition to Assad are Al Qada, not to mention totally side-stepping the brutal nature of Assad's dictatorial regime and the fact that it is in bed with the Islamists you claim to oppose, with a couple of lines on how supposedly westernized this two bit despot's regime is.

Now, let me be clear, I despise the Saudi regime and the whole Wahabism drivel, but the fact that you consider the "PERSIAN" Gulf monarchies far worse and are more concerned about them than the IR (Dubai is far more repressive than the IR?) on an Iranian website no less, where we should be more concerned about the plight of the Iranian people, says a lot about your true motives, despite your protestations to the contrary.


Frashogar

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by Frashogar on

Your assessment is one-sided and partial and leaves out many important factors. I leave the snippet below for you to mull over. But before I do, the repression, brutality and double-dealing of the Saudis and the Gulf monarchies makes the IRI look good by comparison.

 //www.deliberation.info/dismembering-the-arab-world/

"Besuited, Goebbels-like liberals who stand alongside those chiefs of

sheikhdoms, have so far, attempted to deceive part of Arab public

opinion and to manufacture a consensus against the Syrian government,

and so diverted from themselves the heat of their own ‘streets’.

Whilst they themselves adhere to the most archaic norms and beliefs

regarding freedom and democracy, they instigate mass deception against

Syria that is, in terms of its social norms, such as women’s freedoms,

religious minorities’ rights, equal opportunities and personal

liberties, etc., much closer to liberal Western countries.
In much the

same way as the Arab regimes would like to rally domestic public

opinion in support of Palestinians, Gulf regimes are using the false

argument that they are against the oppression of Syrians by their own

government to rally their ‘streets’ against Syria. And this despite

the fact that they themselves are light years behind Syria in terms of

freedom and democracy [NOT]."

 


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Frashogar

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Don't really have the time to get into a detailed discussion on this (the rat race always intervenes), but Assad's regime being secular is a moot point.

The fact is, Assad and his henchmen, aside from brutalizing their own people, are among most prominent supporters and friends of the biggest Islamists in the Middle East, namely the Islamic Republic and the Lebanese Hezbollah. Assad and his father before him have not only supported IR repression of the Iranian people but also tried for years to turn Lebanon into an Isalmist state that would be under their control, before they were kicked out.

How is it that you seem totally unconcerned about or oblivious to these facts if you are an anti-IR/Islamist?


Frashogar

jmyt17

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I would like to see the IRI fall and Iran become a secular parliamentary democratic republic, but before that happens I would like to see the house of Saud and all the corrupt Gulf Arab sheikhdoms fall first. That means the house of Saud, the royal houses in Kuwait, UAE, Oman, Qatar and Bahrain need to go. Parliamentary secular democratic republics are more vital in the Arabian Penninsula than anywhere else in the world and no Arab Spring would be complete without the end of these corrupt potentates. The end of these Arab monarchies will also mean the end of Islamist extremism and Wahhabism and it will ensure the stability of Iran's own secular parliamentary democratic republic as well, not to mention the security of Israel and the rest of the world. If I were part of the Israeli General Staff on my way to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities, I would first order these planes to go bomb the royal palaces in Riyadh and Jedda - while sending assassination sqauds like the ones at Entebe to take care of business in Doha - before entering Iranian airspace to do that job.


jmyt17

Frashogar

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I do not have any idea what you are talking about? What is your point? I just write what I think, nothings to do with you at all.

And please do not not tell me what is wrong and right. Make a wish IRI stay as long as you like.

Assad must go.one way ticket, and next is IRI and their supporter.

I do not care what the people thinking in this site, every one have their own idea not my business at all.

 


Frashogar

PArviz

by Frashogar on

If you think that a stronger Saudi Arabia and Gulf axis dominating the ME is good for Iran even without the IRI, you really need to rethink your position from scratch. The most dangerous political entity in the ME today is actually not Iran. A former generation of Israeli leaders actually had a better grasp of this fact than the current ones who are all nitwits gambling with their own and the whole region's future stability. Even Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert understood this fact better than the current Likkudniks under Netanyahu. The Saudis and their Gulf Arab allies are a bigger long term threat to Iran, to Israel, to Turkey, to Afghanistan and the rest of the region than anyone because all of the political violence and terrorism imported and exported in and out of the region is coming directly out of Saudi sponsorship, money, representation and training. Right now you people do not see the total danger that the Saudis represent. In time you will.

The people of Syria and Iran deserve much better than either the IRI, Bashar al-Assad or the Saudis/Gulf Arabs. But if it is the same to you, I'd rather a secularist like Bashar al-Assad in power in Syria than a bunch of lunatic takfiri Wahhabi terrorists who would create a Taliban-like state.


PArviz

Israel-friendly Syria or a Saudi-friendly one?

by PArviz on

@Frashogar wrote:

"The people on this site who think that the collapse of Assad's regime is a good thing because of Syria's relationship with the IRI are making a mistake. In time they will see the error of this judgement for themselves."

Well the collapse of Assad's regime might be a bad thing for Israel, because that was your point, but it will put pressure on the mafia in Iran and that is what matters to me as an Iranian who would like to see the end of the present regime.

As for the final outcome of the battle in Syria is concerned, I just hope the people of Syria coming out of it as winners. You seem to take into account and care only for what is good for Israel. Of course this was expected since you call yourself "anti-Islamist secularist and pro-Israel" but personally my concerns for people of Iran outweigh those of Israel's by far. 

 

Down with the ENTIRE Islamic Republic!


Frashogar

jmyt17

by Frashogar on

If you are addressing me, you are barking up the wrong tree. I am an anti-Islamist secularist and pro-Israel. Assad and his regime are a secular regime. Assad's Baathist regime has also been in a sort of dentente situation with Israel and unofficially acted in the role of securing Israel's northern borders since 1967. A regime such as the one that the Saudis and Qataris are attempting to impose in Syria will not only make the region unstable but it will especially make Israel more vulnerable and unsecure in the long run. For one thing, the Alawites and the Christians will never sit back and watch a Saudi/Qatari backed fundamentalist Sunni regime impose its will on them which means that Syria is going be in a state of instability and civil war for years to come with or without Assad - which is bad news for Israel. Any Israeli government besides the irresponsible government of Netanyahu would have understood this situation and would have ensured that Assad rather these Wahhabi al-Qaeda terrorist thugs backed by Saudi Arabia and Qatar would have been the ultimate winners.

The people on this site who think that the collapse of Assad's regime is a good thing because of Syria's relationship with the IRI are making a mistake. In time they will see the error of this judgement for themselves.


jmyt17

Friend

by jmyt17 on

Khamenei Ahmag ,Tic Toc Tic---The clock is Ticking, saving Asad is not going to help you or your dirty Islamic regime any more, look for a place to hide, sending a Rat to talk to Rat is not going to help you and rest of you anymore.Assad going to garbage bag of history soon and you will be the next.Game is over, by sending Rafsanjani daughter to England, and giving stupid speech about British embassy not going to open a road for you and rest of you to find a place to move.

 


Frashogar

I would urge people to look at this article

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PArviz

با سرنگونی اسد

PArviz


با سرنگونی اسد در سوریه و سر کار آمدن یک رژیم که احتمالا روابط چندان خوبی با رژیم آخوندی نخواهد داشت، جمهوری اسلامی شانس انگولک کردن در امورات اون منطقه ازش گرفته می‌شه و این وسط قطعا حزب‌الله هم یکی‌ از بازندگان بزرگ خواهد بود. وقتی‌ مسیر فرستادن سلاح و دیگر کمکها به حزب‌الله از طریق سوریه بسته بشه، دیگه کسی‌ برای رژیم تهران اون طرفها‌ تره هم خرد نمیکنه و این کارت معامله و فشار از رژیم گرفته می‌شه. حزب‌الله بدون کمکهای رژیم آخوندی با گذشت زمان نفوذ و قدرت خود در دیکته کردن خواسته‌های خود (بخوانید رژیم تهران) در لبنان را از دست خواهد داد.

از طرفی‌ اسرائیل از تضعیف حزب‌الله خوشحال خواهد شد ولی‌ از روی کار آمدن یک رژیم اسلامی بنیادگرا در سوریه نگران خواهد بود.

حتما آمریکا و کشورهای خلیج تمام سعی‌ خود را خواهند کرد که رژیم بعدی از اونها حرف شنوی داشته باشه و نفوذ ایران را در سوریه به حداقل برسانند.

به هر حال رژیم به هر دری خواهد زد که رژیم جنایتکار اسد بر سر قدرت باقی‌ بماند حتی اگر لازمهٔ آن کشتار ده‌ها هزار از مردم سوریه باشد. خط  جنایاتی که رژیم اسد در سوریه مرتکبشان میشود قطعا از طرف رژیم آخوندی به او داده میشود و او نیز کورکورانه و بدون چاره دستورات تهران را اجرا می‌کند. اسد به حدی در ارتکاب جنایت بر علیه مردم سوریه پیش رفته که راه بازگشتی ندارد و مجبور است تا آخر خط از دستورات تهران اطاعت کند وگر نه‌ از پناهندگی به ایران خبری نیست. شخصاً فکر نکنم کشور دیگری برای او جای امنی‌ باشد. روسیه قابل اطمینان نیست چون برای گرفتن امتیاز از غرب به ساده‌گی او را تحویل دادگاه لاهه خواهد داد. ولی‌ او در ایران، حداقل تا سرنگونی رژیم، امن خواهد بود. به امید آن روز، منظورم سر نگونی رژیم اخوندیست. 

 

Down with the ENTIRE Islamic Republic!


مآمور

faranarz jonnnnn

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 چو آزاده مردی رسد خونش به لب

نترسد ز مرگ، هراسان نباشد ز تب 

خونش است یا جونش??

I wear an Omega watch


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اگر اسد سرنگون بشه رژیم خامنه ای بیچارست

Roozbeh_Gilani



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And here is Jalili stating the IR will not allow Assad to fall

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I guess Jalili and his Rahbar need to desparately sramble to keep Assad going for as long as possible, because after the Syrian tyrant falls, it will be the turn of the Islamic Republic bloodsuckers.

//www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9459321/Syria-Iran-vows-it-will-not-allow-Assad-to-fall.html


Faramarz

چنان پیکاری شد اندر حلب!

Faramarz


 

 


چنان پیکاری شد اندر حلب

که جویبار خون گشت "بهارعرب"

بشار، مغموم و پنهان بی ساز و طرب

غیوران به جنگیدند و کردند آزادی طلب

چو آزاده مردی رسد خونش به لب

نترسد ز مرگ، هراسان نباشد ز تب 


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