AFP: Iran on Wednesday renewed its warning to America against keeping a US navy presence in the oil-rich Gulf, underlining a threat that Washington has dismissed as a sign of "weakness" from Tehran. "Iran will do anything to preserve the security of the Strait of Hormuz" at the entrance to the Gulf, Defence Minister Ahmad Vahidi said, according to the website of Iran's state television. "The presence of forces from beyond the (Gulf) region has no result but turbulence. We have said the presence of forces from beyond the region in the Persian Gulf is not needed and is harmful," he was quoted as saying. The comments echoed a warning issued on Tuesday by Iran's military that it would unleash its "full force" if a US aircraft carrier is redeployed to the Gulf >>>
White House Press Secretary Jay Carney's response to Iran's warning:
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Joe
by Joubin on Wed Jan 04, 2012 07:14 PM PST> If you live in the US learn how things work before advising those who are far away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba9wxl1Dmas
Do you really think Paul is on the up and up, Joe?
Azadeh is right
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Wed Jan 04, 2012 05:57 PM PSTPlease remember the last war happened just as the revolution occured. The population was energized and already united behind a charismatic leader. People were still full of hope for the revolution.
This time people are bitter and cynical about the regime. No one is behind them and Khamenei and AN are not charismatic. People are not excited about future. No one is going to risk their neck to keep Mollah in power.
It will not work again!
by Azadeh on Wed Jan 04, 2012 05:30 PM PSTMany people inside Iran who I've talked with say that if there is war or military conflict, people inside Iran will not "unite" or stand behind this regime like back in the 1980's.
I don't know if this is true or not....hopefully we will not have to deal with war in Iran ever again.
IR Loonies Need Yet Another War!
by G. Rahmanian on Wed Jan 04, 2012 01:07 PM PSTIR Loonies Need Yet Another War, I mean another "blessing," in order to survive a little longer, and they cannot have one. So, they are getting restless making all kinds of declarations!!!
Bahram: Good analysis and read…
by Bavafa on Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:51 PM PSTI tend to agree with both of your read on the subject with a minor caveat. You seem to suggest that IRI aim is to influence the US politics in favor of Obama where as I believe and past experience shows that IRI favors Republicans in the office, as hawkish as they may be.
A hawkish US administration will certainly strengthen their hand at the throat of Iranian people’s neck, just as a hawkish IRI policy strengthens the hand of Republicans and their drive towards a military solution to every issue and by that help the military industry complex.
'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory
Mehrdad
No massacre
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:09 PM PSTif you don't show up to the fight. My advise: run!
AEI take is also worth
by vildemose on Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:52 AM PSTAEI take is also worth reading:
//www.irantracker.org/analysis/kagan-strait-talk-iran-january-4-2011
A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny.--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.
Another take
by Bahram G on Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:28 AM PSTPerhaps all this rhetoric on the part of the IRI has a two prong objective. One is for domestic consumption to distract the people from the mess these RISHOO PASHM have made of Iran and the miseries they have visited on the country. The other objective is the hope of influencing the US presidential election. Perhaps they have concluded correctly that the American public is not eager for another war and may vote to keep Obama -- a sort of modern day peacenik and Islamic sympathizer.
Notice that other than that cranky old man, Ron Paul. Who has zero chance of even getting nominated, all other republican wannabes are rattling their sword against Iran in just about every speech. Perhaps the mullahs hope to fan the fear and dislike of the Americans about another war and help Obama and thereby buying themselves a few more years to pursue their array of evil designs. Who knows? It's a crazy world and the RISHOO PASHM are doing their best to keep it that way.
it would not be a war, it would be a massacre.....
by Roozbeh_Gilani on Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:03 AM PSTof iranian troops by US military machine.
US was only truely defeated once, in Vietnam. But Vietnam was a special case, where N. Vietnam was solidly behind it's leadership and supplied with advanced Soviet weapon systems, with S. Vietnam highly divided, fighting a N. Vietnam supported insurgency. Iran is no way N. Vietnam, nor is today's russia 1960' soviet Union.
Islamist regime has probably (mis)calculated that US would not enter into a war before the next presidential election, so they are currently scrambling to get hold of a few Nuke warheads. Also Obama is not keen to start another war. But I am sure he is welcoming all these provocations by Islamist regime, just in case an excuse was needed. Israel would remain the wildcard here....
"Personal business must yield to collective interest."
A state of war only serves
by Joe L. on Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:41 AM PSTA state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny.--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.
We have been in that state for many decades (and create that state for many others). Go Ron Paul
Re rhetorics
by Arj on Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:27 AM PSTJL, I can't see what I'm wrong about! I made an observation about the analytical nature of Carney's respose as opposed to the rhetorical tones of Fleischer or McClellan. That was not an speculation on the possibility of a war!
Dear Bavafa: I was hoping
by vildemose on Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:15 AM PSTDear Bavafa: I was hoping that you say I was wrong...alas. I can't begin to tell you how that makes me feel. I can't believe they are ready to let more Iranians die so they can continue raping and pillaging. What kind of a muslim are they???
A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny.--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.
Vildemose jaan: I am of the belief...
by Bavafa on Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:01 AM PSTThat a limited war will be of a blessing for the regime in Iran.
The current and miserable condition, both in terms of economy and the social/political [lack of] freedom is the result of gross mismanagement of the regime and they will need to have an excuse to blame the unhealthy environment on some factor other then themselves.
The imposed and criminal war of the 80s was a blessing for the regime and gave it a boost that perhaps none other could have. I surely hope and wish it would not be repeated again, not to mention the countless innocent lives that will be lost as a result.
'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory
Mehrdad
Bavafa
by Bahram G on Wed Jan 04, 2012 09:55 AM PSTYou are talking sense because your brain functions sane. Wisdom and self preservation dictate your take. Assuming that the RISHOO PASHM also have sane brains in their cranium to guide their words and action is just an assumption. They may indeed have a vastly different brain software with different view of reality and values. So, this whole thing can blow up due to these vastly different values and perceptions.
The RISHOO PASHM keep ranting so much about the glory of martyrdom that they have come to believe their own delusional concoctions. That can be the real disconnect of the two realities on both sides.
Bavafa: Agreed. IRI often
by vildemose on Wed Jan 04, 2012 09:47 AM PSTBavafa: Agreed. IRI often has misjudged American's intention and it will continue to do so till it is too late. Maybe, they really do think that another war would be a "blessing".
A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny.--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.
Whether their ‘hart o port’ is for demotic audience or not…
by Bavafa on Wed Jan 04, 2012 09:39 AM PSTThis is a dangerous game that IRI is playing not knowing how far to go or when to stop.
The US has already proven that has the capability and the stomach to destroy any little country for its “interest” and to provoke such action is of grand miscalculation.
'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory
Mehrdad
VPK
by Faramarz on Wed Jan 04, 2012 09:20 AM PSTUSS Carrier Stennis' home port is Washington State and it was on a 7-month (starting in July) assignment in the Persian Gulf. It is rotating out as planned and will be back in March again. Another carrier stationed in Bahrain is taking its place.
By March, the Regime will not even know if USS Stennis is back!
This is all cries of a fearful and cornered beast!
US aircraft carrier
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Wed Jan 04, 2012 08:48 AM PSTI view removal of US aircraft carrier from Persian Gulf as a
dangerous sign. Remember American forces have the range to hit IRI forces from a distance. But if they are outside Persian Gulf IRI will not be able to retaliate.
Moving the ships out means preparing for war. If I were IRI I would shut up and make friendly gestures.
Because I guarantee if Islamic Republic messes with oil flow it will be hit.
Santorum: A nutcase extreme right bible thumper!
by Cost-of-Progress on Wed Jan 04, 2012 08:42 AM PSTnuff said.
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IRAN FIRST
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Re: Santorum
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Wed Jan 04, 2012 08:39 AM PSTHe is not likely to get the nomination. Iowa is not representative because of its population and caucus vs. primary. Republican power brokers do not want him. Romney will get NH and who knows how things go.
By the way please do not wish for Santorum as president. He is a lunatic right winger. If he did get nominated he is not likely to win. As a citizen of America I would not want him inflicted on the people.
Arj
by Joe L. on Wed Jan 04, 2012 08:34 AM PSTyou are wrong. If we wanted to have a war with Iran then his tone would be different. Right now we don't. It's got nothing to do with Obama or Bush.
Voice of reason!
by Arj on Wed Jan 04, 2012 08:22 AM PSTThis guy is the spokesman for Obama, and in a stark contrast to ones for GWB, he is not responding to threats with more threats, but his words are measured and analytical, and sound within reason!
All politicians are the same
by Joe L. on Wed Jan 04, 2012 08:15 AM PST"Santorum lost Iowa only by 8 votes. It means he can still win the republican nominee and who knows win against obama (and who knows win against obama???English please) I would get to know this man if I were the IRI leadership before issuing another empty threat. "
If you live in the US learn how things work before advising those who are far away. Obama, Bush, Santorum, Romney, or even Ron Paul don't control our war policies. Well OK, Paul may try to follow the law but rest are nothing but lobby whores.
who
by Poosteh Pesteh on Wed Jan 04, 2012 07:57 AM PSTwho is this school boy you going too fast boy .
Santorum lost Iowa only by
by vildemose on Wed Jan 04, 2012 07:52 AM PSTSantorum lost Iowa only by 8 votes. It means he can still win the republican nominee and who knows win against obama. I would get to know this man if I were the IRI leadership before issuing another empty threat.
A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny.--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.
Spoiling for war?
by Bahram G on Wed Jan 04, 2012 07:02 AM PSTKHAABIDEH PAARS MIKONEH, I hope. Otherwise a lot of people may get killed and maimed on both side and the great majority of them will be the undeserving rank ad file and civilian Iranians -- people the RISHOO PASHM have been victimizing for 32 years.