How Americans Are Misinformed About Iran

Former New York Times Editor on perceived threat of Iran

Former New York Times Executive Editor Bill Keller discusses the perceived threat of Iran. He suggests that one of the main sources of alarm comes from the Republican debates, which he argues "are not enlightening, and not the place for any nuance or ambiguity."

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An Evening with Bill Keller from The Graduate Center, CUNY on FORA.tv

12-Mar-2012
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Arash Kamangir

Americans have always been misinformed!

by Arash Kamangir on

With the exception of those americans who are educated ( university and not college), the rest have no idea that the world has changed. They still have the cold war understanding of things and see the World as " oversee" and see themselves as center of the world. Very superficial people.


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Re, We have serious issues at hand NOW and we don't need to talk

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

about how great the Shah was.

 

And that is why I said..... The only surprising issue I see is we still
have An Aryan Culture that too many Iranians themselves understand very
little of and this is an immense disservice towards all Iranians
because it is our national culture.

Rastgoo, If we don't take advantage of our Culture and the competitive edge it does give us we will make a terrible mistake worse than the one already made.  Can you see this, are you aware?  Countries with a History, like Japan, the Uk, Norway, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands to name a few were successful based on intimetly understanding this.  Iranians need to discuss these important points so they act based on the most understanding and wisdom they have, not their thoughts alone.

I posted elsewhere some points which make some people uncomfortable to the extent that they feel it is politically motivated.... as opposed to closer to all of the truth than their thoughts and ignorant actions.  Here is some of it for your eyes only, for now just read & reflect.

Hard to believe after viewing these pictures that the Shahs team raised
Iran from one of the poorest nations in the world, which Iran is once again, to one of the worlds wealthiest nations.  Stunning really, Considering where most
Iranians were once and where most Iranians are now/today.  Once the
ninth wealthiest country on earth and according to the world bank on its
way to being the fourth largest world economy within less than a decade, with the greatest percentage increase in middle class in the world.  And so easily sent back to the 11th century.... At the hands of those who supposedly wanted good for Iran and wanted more power sharing (as if a bad job was being done and iranians were even capable of handling such an unwise move).  The oil wealth the hezbollahi's have mismanaged for the last 33 years is staggering isn't it?  The Shahs team excellently made use of the comparatively smaller oil wealth they managed for the people of Iran.

Bichareh-ha, Badbakhtishoon be-atiyeh boodaneh, enshallah yad begiran engadr be Akhoond va Antellectual beharf nakonand va barayeh khodeshoon fekr konand va barayeh Iran az hameh mohem tar, like the shah and
iranians serving with the shah did. Hindsight is 20/20 of course and in
our case it shows us what the hunger for greed produces, in contrast to a patriotic hunger for freedom, like we enjoyed with the late Shah and his team.  Roohesh Shad. My wish is that someday Iranians can once again enjoy the level of development, peace, progress and human rights the shahs team delivered for Iranians. For me all Iranians deserve the best, regardless of the stupidity of many.

So Rastgoo, what were the emotions before the shah was betrayed and what have we
learned about the experience in regards to being honest and being wise?  From an Iranian standpoint This question is more important than the political struggle going on within the USA on how to handle russia's foreign policy with the mullahs.

 


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Rastgoo,

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

If we don't learn from the mistakes of the past, we will never be able to unite the majority of iranians to remove the IRI and guarantee a non extremist/secular government.  The mek Danger is ever present, and could be serious.  They have been funded and held up at one point or another by usa/uk/france/israel and never Iranians.  Iran has a massive poor population with nothing to lose, they would be receptive to mek sales pitch if usa and eu united in backing them (for now that won't happen, but one day it could), despite all the bad mek have done to iran.  With funding they can promise the moon to the poor and gain traction like others do through lies.  

My view, war talk is a huge bluff that looks very real, it severly undermines the US policy for North Africa and the Middle east.  It puts US corporate fascists policy of retarding the region and making it a hotbed for selling weapons and securing oil at higher prices for consumers at risk.  it strengthens Europes reliance on russia and therefore strengthens russia massively.  Russians are bs-ing they are in favor of IRI and against war.  Russians rely on oil and weapons sales and would love to be desperately needed for EU energy security, not to mention the new owner of a future fragmented irans resources.  This whole mess from US standpoint is a result of russias politics and games, selling IRI capabilities that make maintaining US policy of loving IRI and securing it difficult.  If EyeRooni's learn from their mistakes, we can impact change in a positive way by having the ability to make the right choices when we have the opportunity.  Right now we do not have the possibility/opportunity to do a damn thing (not sure if you know that yet) and if we don't learn from the mistake we won't have the ability when time comes either (which could happen within next 4-8 years).   


Rastgoo

Amirparviz...

by Rastgoo on

Seriously, you have to stop your obsession with the past (i.e the Shah).  Ok, we all garee that we f$@k'd up with the revolution.  And in retrospect we all prefer the Shah to the bastards in charge now.  But, let's move on and find a solution to get rid of this god foresaken regime that is about to get our country entangled into a totally unnecessary AIPAC driven war!  We have serious issues at hand NOW and we don't need to talk about how great the Shah was.  No insult intended and no, I'm not an IRI agent or any other conspiracy actor.  Just an "eyeranian" stuck in a land that hates my birthplace and if given the chance would nuke it.


Arj

Retroactive preventative measure?!

by Arj on

Interesting quote: "...a poll yesterday suggested that 3/4 of Americans think that Iran already has a nuclear weapon..." In that case, how could they sell any attacks as "preventative?!"


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

The obvious questions for Iranians are as follows

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

Whether Iranians were wrong in opposing the late shah, which manifested itself as a betrayal of both king and country, in regard to what the emotions were before the shah was betrayed and what we have learned about the experience in regards to being honest and being wise?  The only surprising issue I see is we still have An Aryan Culture that too many Iranians themselves understand very little of and this is an immense disservice towards all Iranians because it is our national culture.


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Both sides are a total distraction, from what matters.

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

I was looking at pictures of Iran today recently ad it was really Hard for me or anyone I know to believe after viewing these pictures that the Shahs team raised
Iran from one of the poorest, which Iran is once again, to one of the
worlds wealthiest nations. Once the ninth wealthiest country on its way
to being the fourth within less than a decade.  And so easily sent back
to the 11th century At the hands of those who supposedly wanted good for
Iran and wanted more power sharing.  The oil wealth the hezbollahi's
have mismanaged for the last 33 years is staggering.  The Shahs team
excellently made use of the comparatively smaller oil wealth they
managed for the people of Iran. Bichareh-ha, Badbakhtishoon be-atiyeh
boodaneh, enshallah yad begiran engadr be Akhoond va Antellectual beharf
nakonand va barayeh khodeshoon fekr konand. Hindsight is 20/20 and it
shows us what the hunger for greed produces, in contrast to a hunger for
freedom, like we enjoyed with the late Shah.  Roohesh Shad.  My wish is
that someday Iranians can once again enjoy the magic, the level of development,
peace, progress and human rights the shahs team delivered for Iranians.
For me all Iranians deserve the best, regardless of the stupidity of
many.  


Disenchanted

of ex officials and truth!

by Disenchanted on

Ever wondered, how people come to see the truth so clearly when you cut their paychecks? This gentleman is one. Meir Dagan was another. So to get to the truth ask the ex officials not the current ones!

G. Rahmanian

Civil Liberties Under IR!

by G. Rahmanian on

Of course, IR is the best thing for Iran. Didn't you hear NIAC cult leader Trita Parsi talk about the civil liberties Iranians enjoy under IR?

Here's what he said to Jon Stewart on the Daily Show.

Video 2: Minute 2:50 on:

"It(war) allows the governments to further do away with the liberties of the populations."

Why does he so shamelessly use a cliche to claim there are indeed civil liberties under IR and actions by the outside world will force IR to do away with those liberties.

We know he left Iran as a little boy, but hasn't he heard anything about regime's brutalities. Doesn't he have the slightest idea what is happening in Iran?

He has become so frustrated as a result of his countless failed attempts to bring IR and the US to the negotiating table that he keeps deluding while ranting about the potentialities of such negotiations.


Faramarz

Mehrdad

by Faramarz on

As I have said it before and will say it again, Netanyahu is using the Regime threat to divert attention from the lack of progress on the 2-state solution, continued construction in the Occupied Territories and to keep his fragile coalition in place. That’s his prerogative and it’s the game that works for him,

That doesn’t mean that we all have to line up behind the next guy who cries wolf and hide behind NIAC’s or Regime’s skirts.

 

We should be smarter than that


Bavafa

Farmarz jaan: So was it deliberate …

by Bavafa on

That you left out what has been the predominate source of all anxiety in regards to war with Iran or simply the fact that you are so focus on NIAC which has not left any room in your attention for any other entities surrounding this subject?     It should also be noteworthy that all the recent trips by the high ranking officials, military or otherwise, to Israel was not a vacation to the sea side but to calm exactly this situation.   

Simack jaan: 

 Agreed, but there is also another entity, if we can call it that, and that is the military industrial complex.

 

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad


Faramarz

Mehrdad Jaan

by Faramarz on

I was in town last week and actually listened to President Obama.

Here is his news conference after all the hoopla about Israeli attack. He spent 15 minutes calming the White House Press Corp down.

//www.c-span.org/Events/President-Obama-Holds...

Then there was this piece by Jamal Abdi of NIAC (he is a couple of levels above you and MM!) about how negotiations will be sabotaged by the hardliners; basically war-mongering and adding fuel to the fire.

 

//www.huffingtonpost.com/jamal-abdi/which-sid...


Siamak Asadian

On a strictly functional level, one party that ALWAYS benefits

by Siamak Asadian on

from any and all troubles in Middle East, and almost always doesn't get mentioned : Oil companies.

God knows all their ties to the Media, Republicans, Democrats,....

Any one remembers this movie; Syriana,

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriana?utm_source=wordtwit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wordtwit

 


Bavafa

Farmarz jaan: Were you out of town last week…

by Bavafa on

Or perhaps invited to the Shah’s sunset preview that you may have missed it

  

Let me give you a hint, there was a huge gathering in Washington and no, NIAC was not invited but the head of another nation as well the head of this country was invited to talk and the dominating theme was military action against Iran.

  

And here is a quiz for you:

 

Whose votes do you think those Republican nub jobs are appealing to, the NIAC voters or ….

 

 

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad


Faramarz

Who's Adding Fuel to the Fire

by Faramarz on

Aside from the Republican nut jobs who are creating hysteria about a war with the Regime in Iran, there are two other groups that keep adding fuel to the fire; the pro-Regime crowd who want to circle the wagons and silence the opposition to the Regime and, the NIACie types who are pushing their own agenda of capitulating to the Regime, because they truly believe that the Islamic Regime is the best thing for Iran and a nice counter-balance to the US, Israeli evil-doers.

As far as the comment, “we don’t know who is running the place”, well, let me break it to you. Iran is a dictatorship being run by Rahbar with the muscle provided by the Sepah and the Basij. There are no other factions there.


Darius Kadivar

So is the NY Times ... ;0)

by Darius Kadivar on