NOROOZ

احتیاج به آجر نیست...

ما داریم در مورد تاریخ، فرهنگ و آینده ایران بحث و مذاکره میکنیم. بله، شاید هم از دست یک دیگر عصبانی و دل خور بشویم ولی شکر خدا برای خاطر اینترنت میتوانیم ابراز عقیده کنیم، از یکدیگر یاد بگیریم یا بفهمیم عقیده دیگران چه است.

فکر میکنید اگر همۀ ایرانیان هم عقیده و موافق بوده و به به و آفرین به یکدیگر میفرستادند، آینده ما درخشان تر میگشت؟ ‌عکس‌ قضيه‌ درست است. با رد و بدل عقیده ملت روشد می کند و روزی بالغ میشود.

دمکراسی یک شبه به دنیا نمی آید. ایرانیان قرنها تحت ظلم و فساد زندگی کرده اند. ما فرزندان آزادی هستیم. افتاده ایم ولی شکست نخورده ایم...

Fatollah

You seem delusional.

IRANdokht

55555

I just saw your first response. I don't think you know what you are saying. You want iran to be a slave to islam and cover the ugliness of islam with beauty of iran. Why don't you defend your religion on its OWN merits. What has it done for ANY islamic country: saudi arabia, syria, pakistan, afghanistan, egypt, libya, algeria, ...? ALL a bunch of backward countries.

Yes I see iran as all beauty, you see iran as a slave that MUST have ugliness like the pictures that I showed you, that islam came in in 1979 to fix but failed miserably. Yes I am idealistic about iran. I want iran to belong to iranians and ruled by iranians, not by a bunch of Talibans from arabia.

Yes I do have hatred for anyone who has been harming MY country even the cult of islam that you are sold as religion.

You tell me what do we have to show after 1400 years of islam, that even YOU had to run away from? If it were minimally good, at least YOU could live there. Why have YOU run away from your own prescription?

To: ALL

Perhaps the IRI has re-written Hafez's books. I wouldn't put it pass them...lol

I bet you that the majority Iranians in Iran don't know that Iran has been shia only for the past 500 years and the first 1000 years they were sunnis.

55555

Dozde Naashi Beh Kaahdoon Mizaneh!

By the way, there are more than 2400 reference to Quran in Masnavi! Don't fool yourself by misinterpreting him as someone who against Islam to justify your own chauvinism. His book is full of praises for Imam Hossein and Hazrat Ali. Have you ever read it?

You apparently do not even know Molana to know that he was a sunni, NOT shia. And where are those 2400 references and how they are referenced? Listen to poems to see he equals shia to donkeys:

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3Iqpmc1CFQ&feature...
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0VBu4pXWlY&feature...

or Hafiz's hatred of religion:

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv8jiBBVsbs&feature...

Maybe you should bring evidence or re-read Hafiz or Mathnavi. Even Mullas had historical hatred for both, accused BOTH of heresy when Hafiz responded that he had already knew qoran by heart and needed no lessen from anyone.

Maybe instead of accusations, you should get to know what you bogusly claim to know.

You can LOVE islam as much as you want, even though you cannot defend its non-existence achievements on its own merits, rather than use iranian cover, what you despise, to cover up for islam's ugliness that we have witnessed for 30 years that even people like you could not tolerate to live under and had to run away from.

Diminishing Cyrus and calling a bunch of murderer arabs Hazrat who were at each others' throats to rule as Caliph and rob people is very telling by itself.

Read Ibn-Khadoon or Tabari or Balami to see how brutal these Hazrats were when they could, just like khomeini and his gang.

Hajminator

On this one I have to agree with you.

‫یک تیکه آجر دارم، کی میخواد؟

‫بیا, سره کوروش که یکی از نادرترین سمبل مثبت ایرانی بودن در دنیایه خارجه فعل است، ببین چطور تو سر هم میکوبیم...

حالا برو بگو فردا آخوند داره میره، مردم نظرتون راجع به حکومت آینده ایران چیه؟ ‫تا قبل از اینکه دعوا مرافعه ها تموم بشه فکر کنم شغاله بقیه مملکتو خورده باشه.

بقول یک جک، تا وقتیکه تو سر هم آجر بشکونیم، قدر نشکوندنشو میدونیم.

Identity, The choice is clear between Iran & V-ran

True Iran & the original concept behind it,s foundation , psyche, icons ,culture & language....

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=N38v29MS6rw&feature=channel_page

V-ran and subjugation to 1400 yrs of Ommatism & pan-Arab cause ,icons , psyche & shaikhist culture ;

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Respect all religions but , bury Ommatism & Pan-Arabism..

cheers!!!

//www.iranianidentity.blogspot.com/

//www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia

Dance of Death: Death makes all men equal!

Words of Paolo Freire:

"The central problem is this: How can the oppressed, as divided, unauthentic beings, participate in developing the pedagogy of their liberation? Only as they discover themselves to be 'hosts' of the oppressor can they contribute to the midwifery of their liberating pedagogy. As long as they live in the duality in which to be is to be like, and to be like is to be like the oppressor, this contribution is impossible. The pedagogy of the oppressed is an instrument for their critical discovery that both they and their oppressors are manifestations of dehumanization."Apparently, neither of the two warring factions succeeded in transcending the being "like the oppressor" part.

Paolo Freire in his most famous book, Pedagogy of the Oppressed, which was published also in Spanish and English in 1970 explores how oppression has been justified by the oppressor in totalitarian societies and how it is overcome through a mutual process between the "oppressor" and the "oppressed". Examining how the balance of power between the oppressed and the oppressor remains relatively stable, Freire admits that the powerless in society can be frightened of freedom. He writes, "Freedom is acquired by conquest, not by gift. It must be pursued constantly and responsibly. Freedom is not an ideal located outside of man; nor is it an idea which becomes myth. It is rather the indispensable condition for the quest for human completion." According to Freire, freedom will be the result of praxis--informed action--when a balance between theory and practice is achieved. (Source: Wikipedia)

I think many Iranian agents in the Propaganda Ministry are focusing exactly on this issue. How to frighten people from freedom and demanding their human rights by perverting their value system (minimizing real issues and magnifying taboo issues like orgasm) and molding them into mini oppressors. When such uncompromising and unapologetic, anti-Iranian and pro-profiteering and thievery by benefactors of the status-quot gain currency in the name of so-called opposition/reformers/ women movement (all fake movements; making parallel institutions to pacify and suppress real movements is a hallmark of fascism), without a peep of protest from the pseudo-intellectuals running amok between the U.S. and Iran, then how can anyone hope for a change from inside Iran.

No one is more anti-Iranian (people) than the Islamists and their minions- clinging to fantasy, using legitimate plight of millions of impoverished Iranians to further their careers, completely rejectionist, blindly reactionary, doing their best to see that the masses in utter despair go over yet another cliff via another fake election. Shame on all of them.

//www.lib.umich.edu/hsl/

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedagogy_of_the_Oppre...

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IranDokht

Chera Hashiy-e meri?
Yes, that was my remark sometime ago, I know there will be Akhounds hanging from the trees of Pahlavi avenue and it will happen. That is called poetic justice!

Now what are you insinuating about me? Do you know something that others here don't? Spit it out! What are you afraid of? What certain group do I belong to? Do elaborate on that certain agenda I am forwardnig here? If you don't have the guts, then don't open your loud mouth!!!

YOU madame don't know Jack shit about me!

"rastesho begoo what wet wood did I sell you? :o)"
Is this all you have to write in order to appease and freeze? I believe it's called "ESHVE" ! ESHVE and the discussion at hand don't go together!

-F

If you look at Iran history

If you look at Iran history of conversion to Islam, you will notice that the rural and the poor segment of the society converted to Islam last as opposed to the urbanite city dwelers who converted first to keep their fortunes safe and to not pay Jizayeh.

The same thing will happen in Iran if we're going to go back to our roots.

Isn't it ironic that Islamization through force (ya toosari ya roosari, etc...) is not frowned upon and completely legitimate and accepatable by the our liberals but democracy by force (force does not mean war by foreigners) is not tolerated?

Is Korosh Our Future?

Without Korosh Kabir, there will be no future. It is only because of his promise of glory and grace that we are capable of picking up the pieces and moving forward. Without acknowledging who we were before the Arab armies invaded our homeland, we have no future to build.

Without Korosh Kabir, Iranians will be pawns in the hands of distant prophets to worship and foreign idols to glorify.

Korosh Kabir is the promise of hope; he is the sun rising in the distance. Yes, he symbolically reaches out through the fog of past to rebuild our future, to free his beloved children.

Korosh Kabir is the radiance of change. He is our future!

Yallah... Get moving...

Don't just get stiuck in Cyrus the Great time period ... kep get moving until you meet the Geat Daruish... The persopolis... Don't get lazy there either still kep moving...

Rajab, By the way, there are

Rajab,

By the way, there are more than 2400 reference to Quran in Masnavi! Don't fool yourself by misinterpreting him as someone who against Islam to justify your own chauvinism. His book is full of praises for Imam Hossein and Hazrat Ali. Have you ever read it?

So is Hafez. Hafez often criticizes the Islamic Fegh institution, but not because he is anti-islamic, but because he is an Aref with a mystical interpretation of Islam. "Deire Moghaan" alludes to Erfaan (not pre-Islamic Iran); Vaaez alludes to Feghh (not Islam). Anyone who has read little about Iran's literature would know that its a literature that revolves around mysticism as opposed to dry and dogmatic Feghh.

If you don't have their books, just google it and look how Islamic it is! Otherwise, you would just have to accept that they are either religious people or such hypocrites that they just wrote these things to please the ruler!

Please educate yourself a little more.

Would anyone object to

Would anyone object to translating Abbas Milani's book, "lost Wisdom" into Persian and teaching it in every school in Iran?

Would anyone object to teaching zoroastrianism as part of Iranology and history in schools across Iran?

Would anyone object to building Zoroastrian temples and organizations across Iran??

Why can't we embrace and celebrate our heritage just like any other country?

Would Arabs celebrate Norooz or Cyrus with us? Would Arabs allow Zoroastrianism replace Islam in their land??? I think NOT.

What makes Islam better than zoroastrianism?

What makes Islam better than any other religion for that matter?

You are Islam love NOT Iran lover

anonym5555: Do you really believe in your delusional nonsense??? Do you think 1400 years is going to erase a 7000 year culture???

Who doesn't like Iran?? You're a quisling and nothing more and history and future generation of Iranians will not look upon you and your ilk kindly as many don't already in Iran.

If you really loved your country, you would have educated yourself about its history and culture independent of what you been taught by your Iran-hating ayatollahs and arab descendent sheikhs and mullahs.

You're parroting what you've been taught from the Manbar, which is nothing but lies about Iran and the Iranian culture by a bucnh of Iranian haters.

Kourosh kabir is our glorious past,

We are our future!  

Reducing Ourselves to Only One Thing?

Korosh Kabir isn’t one thing. He is the embodiment of glory, righteousness, and freedom. During his reign, Persia not only flourished, it also did so with grace and benevolence.

His decree to set the Hebrew slaves free is, to this day, unparallel in the history of man-kind. With Persian gold, the Hebrew temple was rebuilt, giving the promise of hope to a people whose very survival was threatened.

Persian benevolence exceeds this historical decree. However, since the Hebrew bible has documented this event, it is widely known and is also undisputed.

Korosh Kabir symbolizes our humanity, our grace, and our dreams. From him we draw strength to reach for the stars, to rebuild our broken nation state, to heal our wounds.

Korosh Kabir is our future…

You either need therapy or a history lesson.

Rajab

I started reading your post but at some point I realized you were SO out of touch with Iran's reality that I just couldn't waste my time any longer. I'm sorry.

You've probably lived in your pessimistic bubble for the past 30 years of your life and not bothered going back to see how wrong you are. I don't blame you. You're just stuck with your misconceptions and you can't help it. You've probably been out of the country for 20-30 years doing NOTHING for its development, and that's why you so easily sit down behind your computer and dismiss everything that happened there while you were here. That's why you portray such a gray image of your own country and reduce all of its achievements to a couple of pictures from slums.

One billion people around the world live in slums and unfortunately Iran has its share too. What does this have to do with Islam or Cyrus or Alexander the Great?! Why are you so delusional?

For you, and people like you, the easiest way out of responsibility is to blame Arabs for everything bad that happened to Iran. You all sound like a bunch of Daee Jaan Napoelons. You even think Arabs have "occupied" Iran for the pats 1400 years. I really think you either need therapy or a history lesson.

The fact is that you - and people like you - don't really like Iran. You resent Iran. You resent 1400 years of its glorious history that produced great thinkers, philosophers, poets, art, literature...

You don't like Iran. You like a fake, manufactured and artificial glorious IMAGE of what you think Iran could have been without Arab influence. But you don't realize that you like an illusion of something that never existed. You are so drawn in this fake image of yourself and Iran that you resent your compatriots for their religion and customs. You mock their religion and reduce it to only what YOU know of it. You dismiss their history. You belittle their achievements. You think they are all retarded because they don't live like Kouroush anymore, and presumably you do. You, and people like you, are so uncomfortable with being Iranians that you call yourselves "Persians" and even change your names to "Dariush Aryamanesh, Kourosh Avesta, Gordafarid Sassaniani, Garshasepandad Hakhaamaneshi...etc". You can't even stand your own names let alone your history and religion.

You all have serious issues. You look at History like an ideology. You sound like nazis who hate everybody. You think Arab-bashing and hatred could potentially be an element of solidarity and reunification to recreate the great Persian Empire. That's how sad you are in the 21 century.

The Iranian identity has

The Iranian identity has been under siege for 1400 years as has the Native Americans identity.

The native Americans however, are keenly aware of what has been done to them in the past 50 years by the European-Americans because the government occuyping them is somewhat democratic, however, that does not apply to the regime in Iran. The IRI is still colonizing Iranians through various direct and indirect methods, including eliminating and wiping out our past pre-Islamic history.

The Native Americans to this day believe that they will be triumphant in the end.

dear Don Tlecturus

could you have been any more personal in your attack? when was I intolerant of people's faith? I spoke of people who are using that same faith to forward certain agendas. Is that your problem with me?

rastesho begoo what wet wood did I sell you?  :o)

IRANdokht

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to 9999

I don't know where you got that!!!  Doesn't matter anyway, I am not responsible for yours or anyone else's imagination. You want to see what I said? then go back and read everything I have written on this post. People who were not engaged in the different discussions that are forming on this post, jump in here and make assumptions just to attack people. Is this a discussion or personal vendetta and tasvieh hessab?

Irandokht

Are you defending Islam? is Islam a wonderful positive religion? Would you please enlighten us and explain us some positive aspects of Islam. What do you know about Islam, its fundation and its Prophet(The 57 years old man who took a 8 years girl as his wife).

cultural cleansing of the IRI

Given the Islamic Republic's Cutural cleansing of our Iranian idesntity,it's incumbant upon us to keep the legacy of our founders and forefathers alive.

We have a 7000 year old civilization, in which, only 1400 years of it has been "Islamic". Don't let the mullah strip us of our 7000 year ORGANIC not transplanted (i.e. Islamicarabic) Identity.

Engineering an Empire

Engineering an Empire - The Persians - Part 1of5
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Engineering an Empire - The Persians - Part 2of5

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Engineering an Empire - The Persians - Part 3of5

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Engineering an Empire - The Persians - Part 4of5 )

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Engineering of an empire- The Persians--Part 5 of 5

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Identity

I am with you on the struggle for defining an Identity Iranians are engaged in specially the young ones.  However, as Cyrus and his way of thinking is a proud segment of our history, it should only be considered a part of our historical identity.  Otherwise we will be as hollow and one dimentional as the images we tried to sell to the world as Iranians during the 2500 year celebration (I am not commenting on the Shah here).  Celebrating Cyrus specially at Norooz and as a symbolic resistance is great but with no analysis rejecting a long complex and rich history that came after him is suppresive too.  

The Iranian identity (I know it sound simplistic) is very complex and in that is its beauty. We should not reduce ourselves to be only about one thing. 

Iranian quislings!

The Islamist are akin to the French quisling who sold their soul for profit. It is sad to see the stunning ignorance of the Islamists on what kind of havoc they've wreaked upon the nation of Iran.

If they were aware of their deeds, I don't think they will be able to stand themselves.

definition of quislings:

//www.thefreedictionary.com/quisling

Fatollah

Can somebody tell us the difference between an Akhound, a Mobed or a Mogh??? Wolves in disguise !!!

It appears that all religions, specially Abrahamic religions are tools of deceit. BUT, there is a BIG difference between Abrahamic religions and Zoroastrianism. If you read bible, torah, and qoran, you will see a common theme in all of them: codification of violence, intolerance, and punishment of disobedient and sinful BY hierarchy of religion on behalf of god. All mullas refer to those texts to justify their atrocities and deceit.

None of those elements are present in Gathas, the only surviving authentic Zoroasterian text. They are simply songs in praise of God and invitation to goodness (goftaar, kerdaar, pendaar). That is a big difference since no core value of Zoroastrianism allows for violence, and no mobed can bring any verse from Avesta to justify violence that we see when quoting qoran or bible or torah. Even in peak of religiosity of the ruling class during sassanian, the religion was, 1500 years ago, more benign than what we see today in iran. Yes, Mobeds were in charge (mostly to share wealth), but they could not care less about what how religious or irreligious ordinary people were. Christianity, Judaism, and Manichean were practiced freely. The only historical opposition that we see was against Mazdakians and that was more of an exception than norm, perceived as a threat to the rule of the shah and mobeds.

Despite, nobody is saying that we should go back to replace Mullas with Mobeds; but we are saying that we should eliminate mullas' role in being in charge, morally or otherwise, and endear the very few iranian things that we are left with.

Why not teach people to be

Why not teach people to be tolerant, open-minded, truthful and honest? Why sow seeds of hate in the youth's hearts?

Practice what you preach. Why aren't you tolerant of other people's religions and point of views. Why do you want to silence them? Is that your version of Love and Peace? Censorship and intimidation of others will not teach anybody Love, tolerance or peace.

You can't even stand the slightest of disagreements. You tend to use your whatever power to vaporize your opponent. Don't lecture us about peace and love when your own heart is filled with anger and rage.

Behrooz aziz

I also understand where you're coming from, but I don't like this approach, no lets say this approach scares me! just like the people who say once they take power, there'll be bodies hanging off of Pahlavi street's trees... 

We should learn from the past, we should grow intellectually and as human beings.  Hate will not take us anywhere better than where our country is now. Hate was the reason we're in this mess: the hate that Khomeini felt for Pahlavis, the hate that poor felt for the rich, the hate that less educated felt for the elite, the hate that religious people felt for the way the country's music and so-called art was taking the people...  

Hate is not the answer. You can argue about Islam as a religion, but I can also argue against all religions. That's the nature of religions to be a tool to lead people into paths that are chosen by whoever knows how to use this tool!  see how a wonderful positive religion is being used here to  divide people and badmouth others who could be their relatives, their friends and their neighbors.  Our ancient religion spoke of good thoughts, good words and good deeds. Did it say only in times of peace? Did it say you should start with the "good stuff" after you defeat others by any means you can? 

What I see here is not the positive message of Zartoshti religion, I see negativity and bad words and bad thoughts which can only produce bad deeds later. Dividing the people of Iran and using the youth to forward a political agenda using their frustration and under false pretenses can have even worse results for our country.

Why not teach people to be tolerant, open-minded, truthful and honest? Why sow seeds of hate in the youth's hearts?  

Yes you're right Kourosh Kabir was great for good reasons, it just sickens me that his good name is being used to promote intolerance and animosity.

IRANdokht

What are these fatmeh areha

What are these fatmeh areha afraid of if they truly believe in the rightousness of their convictions.

A Way Out of Their Parents’ Handiwork

During the last thirty years, the dark ages of mullahs have driven Iranians to question the core root of their beliefs: Islam. Because we have witnessed so much bloodshed, utter cruelty, and the personification of evil, the majority of Iranians are distancing themselves from Islam.

Iranians who still have strong emotional ties to Islam are searching to redefine their faith and huddle around “this is not my Islam” comfort zone.

Iranian youth, however, is drawn towards the founding father of our nation, seeking to define a new identity for their generation. Political activists such as me encourage and fuel that sentiment because a nation without an identity (or a false identity for that matter) is doomed to be bamboozled again. Another charlatan such as Khomeini will resurface to hijack our desire for change.

Iranian youth is not only courageous, it is also confused. Iranian children born after the revolution want a way out from their parents’ handiwork. The glory of Korosh Kabir is enticing to them because it is a clear break from Islam and the incompetent, dictatorship monarchies preceding IRI.

Korosh Kabir is the embodiment of an era with three distinct characteristics: non-Islamic, glorious, and righteous.

Iranian youth is craving freedom!