BEZAN BEZAN

آنچه اهمیت دارد این است که

این است که کروبی هنوز خودش را شوالیه میداند و وارد جنگ میشود. و از طرف دیگر حکومتی ها هم عکس العمل نشان میدهند و به تنش دامن میزنند. تا وقتی درگیری بین این دو جناح باشد معنی اش این است که جریان قیام علیه رژیم متوقف نشده. به نظرم ما به جای درگیری لفظی با همدیگر باید بایستیم و ناخن بزنیم! عاملان جمهوری اسلامی همدیگر را خوب میشناسند و تفرقه بینشان به ریزش هر دو طرف کمک میکند. من طرفدار جنبش سبزم اما ترجیح میدهم کروبی در نمایشگاه مطبوعات کتک بخورد تا قدرت حمله اش به سپاهیها  بیشتر شود.اگر آمدن و کتک خوردن موسوی ها و کروبی ها و خاتمی ها نتیجه اش بیشتر شدن قیام مردم باشد بگذار بیایند و کتک بخورند. من هم فریاد میزنم یا حسین میر حسین. بگذار همین فریادها دل حکومت را بلرزاند

سبز سبز تا بهار 

Anonymouse, you are right...

We Iranians (including yourself) opposing the I.R. (both inside and outside Iran) are both Rich and Soosools.... How else bunch of backward thugs could invade, abduct and hold us hostages inside our own country and rule us for over 30 years now???????

Stockholm syndrome is what we suffer from as a nation in general now... Except, those who put their lives on the line and in many cases gave their precious lives for FREEDOM, JUSTICE, IRAN and Iranians like you and me... Those brave men, women and children are and were the ones who no longer wanted to be abducted and ruled by EVIL...

Admiting to this fact on our lap-tops while drinking our smoothies and ... is the first step toward recovery! I'm glad you are brave enough to come forward...

As far as everything being sacred! Well, that's a different book by itself ...

Have a Nice Week-end .

Don't be fooled twice ..

I do believe in reform from within. Even a soft coup from within is okay and this is precisely what is happening.

Marching and supporting the same crooks who been in power for the last 30 years is NOT reform or change!

Hashemi is the mastermind behind the green movement. Hashemi Rafsanjani for Gods sakes! The guy is a seasoned politician and corrupt to his pinky bones!

When i say " Tangible " changes, that means changes that are obvious and not empty words like the ones reform leaders chant.

First step of gradual change is fighting corruption and the gradual seperation of religious entities from the governing body ( dowlat).

aren't you contradicting yourself?

No Fear: pragmatic and gradual changes are called reform.

So are you for reform or against it?  Don't be fooled by AN's cabinet members, they may not be wearing the turban but most of them are more fundamentalist than some of the akhounds like Karrubi. Hating ammameh and rish can take you to the wrong path, just like the time you followed khomeini for hating taj o takht.

I believe in pragmatic gradual changes. Changes that are tangible and not elusive or vague.

New faces with different views are needed for Iran politics. Why are we being fooled again by empty slogans of reform???

IRANdokht

Many have chosen the WRONG lesser evil.

Don't be fooled again by an old man with white beard. Why do we have a soft spot for men like this?!

Many seem to forget that whatever that happened during the last 30 years in Iran and its beloved people are due to the wrongful governing and mismanagements of crooks like Karoubi and such. Do you believe he is a changed man??

If i was a basiji or sepahi who fought on the first line during the war, and after the war worked my butt off in Jahad Sazandegi, witnessing the corruption and lifestyle of every crook who was in power must be nerve recking.

There are many in Iran who are not corrupted and truely believe in their religion. These are the lesser evil in my opinion.

Ahmadinejad, from the first day of taking office, has attacked and discredited some of IR main players. This has been unprecedented and a step in the right direction.

Akhond must stay out of politic. Religion and governing don't mix and i am happy to witness not even one akhond is part of the Ahmadinejad government.

I believe in pragmatic gradual changes. Changes that are tangible and not elusive or vague.

New faces with different views are needed for Iran politics. Why are we being fooled again by empty slogans of reform???

Stockholm Syndrome is rich man's disease! For soosools!

Everything is sacred.

Iranians supporting I.R. suffer from "Stockholm syndrome" !

"Stockholm syndrome is a psychological
response sometimes seen in abducted hostages, in which the hostage
shows signs of loyalty to the hostage-taker, regardless of the danger
or risk in which they have been placed".

Iran and Iranians have been invaded, abducted, taken hostages inside their own country and raped by the Islamists and Islamic Republic and its every single member for over 30 years now! We have been gang raped by its founder/leader to every single Mullah, Pasdaar, Basiji, Spies abroad, collaborators, apologists and supporters in position of power ...

Karoubi and his likes have been the founders and collaborators of such evil regime...

Unfortunately, we Iranians after so many years of suffering are still NOT being TRUTHFUL to ourselves simply because of suffering from major "Stockholm syndrome".

That's why our so called educated and intellectuals inside or outside of Iran, on-line and/or off-line, still support likes of Karoubi! They still show signs of loyalty to their hostage takers...

Their previous generations brought EVIL to Iran and now they continue their previous generation's path moderately...

Free Yourselves, Free Iran and Iranians.

about Karroubi

          ( A light , no matter how tiny ,  it is still "light" ..................:  yek noor har cheghadr ham koochek baz khod roshana ist ) .

           Opposition in all form should be stengthened .

What's important is that Karoubi and Mousavi are standing ground

4 years ago Rafsanjani and Karoubi gave Ahmadi benefit of the doubt and didn't pursue the fraud much.  At the time Karoubi was left alone.  This time he asked Mousavi in advance during his live TV debate with him, if he is going to stand ground.  Mousavi smirked first but eventually said yes.

So as long as they are standing ground, there is hope.  

Everything is sacred.

I agree with IRANdokht and anonymous111.2 about Karroubi

 Anonymous111.2 and IRANdokht 's comments explain well why we should support Karroubi. I agree with their comments.

As IRANdokht wrote:"Karroubi is the strongest voice against the imprisonments, tortures and murders of our people".

جناب صائب

من هوادار مردم ایرانم و بس. اگر جمعیت سبز ایران فعلا چشم امید به کروبی دارند من کی‌ باشم که به کلّ کروبی را قبول نداشته باشم یا با حرف‌های منفی‌ رأی عدم صلاحیت برای کروبی صادر کنم؟ هر کدام از ما در خارج از کشور فقط به وجدان خودمان جواب گوییم و بس.

IRANdokht

به ایران دخت خانوم یا .....

     شما میتوانید هوادار این این جناب باشید .کروبی هرگز روی کار نخواهد آمد ,اما اگر بیاید دوست دارم شما را پیدا کنم که به من بگویی اشتباه کردم , ...خوردم.اگر آنچه خمینی به هوادارانش داد همان بود که گفت این حضرات هم میکنند.دلیل نیست اگر اپوزیسیونی نیست هر خری آمد دنبالش بدوید.شما انسانید؟عقل دارید ؟ ولش کن با با خلایق هرچه لایق. الان شنبه است حوصله ای نیست.می خواهم دمی به خمره بزنم و شاد باشم.به سلامتی همه انسانهای عاقل. امیدوارم هرچه این لاکردار تلخ بود زندگی شما شیرین باشه.قربان صفا و صفت همگی

History has shown

that often times in dictatorial systems such as the IRI, where the thug system enjoys an overwhleming fire power against the civilian population, change must come from within the system itself.  And "within the system" means that those who bring the change will inevitably be past, or even present, participants in what the system itself is accused of doing.  But, using these personalities may be the only way out of the dictatorship, and thus, they have to be supported.  Karroubi is a perfect example of this phenomenon.  In my opinion, he should be supported and encouraged.   

Anthor factor  to be considered is redemption, forgiveness and the degree of participation in the past crimes of the IRI.  Obviously, Karroubi was not personally responsible for IRI's atrocities.  In fact, in his previous positions he was not much of a direct decision maker when it came to such matters.  The main people responsible for those deaths were Khomeini himself, Khamenei and a slew of other characters.  But even if he had some minor role in it, I think that he has done enough to redeem himself and to deserve some degree of forgiveness. 

So, for all the reasons mentioned above, he has my support and I wish him and the people of Iran, success.  Plus, (and most importantly) what we in the disapora think is not really that relevant.  We should respect and support Iranians inside Iran in whatever choice they make about the leadership of this movement.

no Fear

"The Sepah with Ahmadinejad have more dignity than those who sat in their villas while sepah was defending the borders. Yeah..take this with sugar if it made your mouth sour...but this is the truth."

That is SO not true. The question is not who has more dignity here, the problem is how can we get them out of our country through the most peaceful means.

Karoubi did not and was not the only one tobring up those chargers. There were plenty personal accounts of such crimes and there convincing enough. The real eyewitnesses were the ones who actually went through it and lived to tell about it.

Karoubi got what a corrupt politician deserves to get.

Like it or not... reform politicians are corrupted . Karoubi's villa in Tehran is worth millions.  How does a person who has been a public servant ever since the revolution , gets to live like that??

He brought up the rape allegations but failed to provide the eyewitness.

This guy is a sleazy opportunist who didn't have any complete social, economical or political plan for Iran during the election and was as shallow as the slogans he was chanting.

Karoubi is a dinosaur who belongs in the Jurrasic period, same as Hashemi, Janati and even Mousavi or Khatemi.

The Sepah with Ahmadinejad have more dignity than those who sat in their villas while sepah was defending the borders. Yeah..take this with sugar if it made your mouth sour...but this is the truth.

Fool me once, shame on you.

Fool me twice, shame on me.

Whoa! ID

1-  No need to get all excited and angry there.

2- What pleasure do you get out of micing and twisting and sometime eliminating words?
Saeb Clearly says: IN hazrate azadi khah haman "HAMKARE" jaladanist... does this really say that it was his colleagues who committed those crimes or does it say that he worked with those jalads by saying " to va pasdaranet ba mashin az ro oonha rad shodi". Don't you see what is obviously being said here?

So should we condemn him as "guilty by association" or should we look at what he's doing now and appreciate one of the few voices in Iran who's speaking up for the victims and their families? 

He should not be forgiven IF all the claims about his crimes are correct and credible. ALso i don't think redwines' statement is condemning anyone. He is right, Iran az akhoond jamat kheyri nadideh. What is there to deny?

Irandokht. if the regime seriously decides to silence him , they will. As you said , he has received threats and it is only a matter of time for them to act upon those threats.

I don't know about Saeb, But i do know so long as there are Those Like you, who have taken the liberty ofspeaking up on people's behalf. there literally is no room left for people like me to do the same, even if we wanted to. You are so strongly "dar sahne", it has given this regime a whole new life. And there is your well-deserved break.

Unfortunately Iranians have no other options now but ...

To use Mullah Karoubi, Moussavi and all those other criminals who killed (or ordered/helped killing) innocent and unarmed Iranians from the first day of this Evil Islamic Invasion/Occupation.

It is so sad and shameful that Iranians today need to be defended by Karoubi likes! These so called Iranians that have committed crimes against humanity during their time of power....

Iranians have been fooled and insulted for almost 31 years by different versions of the same people... Islamic Reformists and Conservatives are different versions of the same Cancer! In their roots, they are all Iran and Iranian killers! Even those reformists who actually didn't kill Iranians have done everything to kill Iranian culture to this day... They have put their version of Islam and sick bastardized idealogy ahead of Iran, Iranian culture, interests and people. That is an undeniable fact no matter how they try to fool us over and over again with their different members and faces! Not to mention their foreign networks! All those so called western educated spies, collaborators, apologists and supporters who are truly Non-Iranians...

In the Name Of.... God Almighty, They all will be arrested and sentenced to maximum human law allowable and possible when the day comes...

For now, let's use all these bastards to Free Iran and Iranians....

The only salvation for Iranians is to get back to their own Iranian roots and true identity! Even if it means to rid ourselves from any form of religion and especially this one!

Dorood Bar Karoubi in Ensaane Baa Joraat

Va Baa Khaayeh!!!!

guilty by association

Saeb is not saying Karoubi committed those crimes, he says his colleagues did in the "decade of 65-67"(!). Redwine is also condemning all who wear a turban, regardless of their actions. As far as I know Karoubi has been standing up for our people more than anyone else, he's been accused and threatened and still goes on strong.

So should we condemn him as "guilty by association" or should we look at what he's doing now and appreciate one of the few voices in Iran who's speaking up for the victims and their families? 

Everyone has a past and in time they would have to be held accountable for it. While they're doing the right thing, cut them some slack.

Kourosh khan, if Karoubi is silenced by the regime and hit in the head with these shoes, who's going to be there to speak up for the people? you or Saeb? Give me a break!

IRANdokht

Irandokht

Why do you skip over the main part of Saeb's comment? Do you know for a fact that It was not karoubi who treated those prisoners they way it is described?

His expression of satisfaction of him being treated this way and Not beaten up! has to do with karoubi's past. Can you be sure that Karoubi is absolutely innocent of such accusations?

Kashfe Hejab...?

Actually he looks better without the turban...is that like a Kashfe Hejab for  Akhonds with no turban on...?

...

ایران عزیز ما از آخوند جماعت خیری ندیده که از این بیند... نباید گول خورد و بأیستی با چشمانی باز مراقب این آدمان خطرناک بود.

Saeb

How much does it take to let go of the kineh and grudge? Karroubi is the strongest voice against the imprisonments, tortures and murders of our people! How can you be happy to see him beaten up? 

What have you done for those "mardom-e  aziz-e taht-e feshar" to feel so righteous and slam someone who's been actively fighting for that same people?

IRANdokht

saeb

You must be very fun at parties...

کروبی و کمپانی

 این حاج کروبی حقش بود این لنگه کفشها را نوش جان کند.این حضرت آزادیخواه همان همکار جلادانی است که در دهه ٦٥و٦٧ جوانان بیگناه مردم را به مسلخ مرگ فرستاد.کروبی یادت می آید آن روزها را که مادران وپدرانی که ماها از  فرزندانشان خبر نداشتند و می خواستند تو به داد آنها برسی و تو با اون ماشینت و پاسدارانت از روی آنها رد میشدی؟یادت می آید یا اینکه به گفته پیغمرت گشنیز خورده ای و یا شپشت را انداختی یا بین دو زن راه رفته ای و فراموش کار شده ای؟میدانم مردم عزیزم تحت فشار هستند و می دانم این که الآن است حق ما نیست ومیدانم چه میکشید من هم درد آشنا هستم و پیه این حضرات به تن من هم خورده اما سربداران ,جان بکفان کروبی و موسوی و منتظری چاره گشای شما نیستنذ.اینان از همان قماش هستند و شاید بدتر.

Brave Man !

Unbelievable how the regime's thugs think they can treat people in such a bullyish way.

I wish him well !

DK

Yeki neest bezane to sare Ahmadi instead?!

Tamaame Mullaha, jamaatan va fetratan past hastand.........Vali hanooz yeki peyda nashodeh baa kafshesh bezane to farghe sare' in Akhoondaaye assly Be-Pedar O Madar???

I'de love to see that one day.... Minimum, yek kafsh vasate maghzeh sare in be namoosaa : Khamenei, Ahmadi and Co.

Free Iran and True Iranians you Son of a ....