IRAN

Re the road to democracy

Thank you Mr. Javid for the interesting (not to mention serendipitous!) essay. The current freedom of speech afforded to the present generation of Chillians in a stark contrast to the soffocating dictatorship of the past could serve us as a sobering reminder to put equally as much emphasis on democracy as secularity when it comes to our political future!

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jj

yes they are u.s made .

But don't forget some photoes & report about the beautiful tulip structure and the Bahai community in there ; Thanks.

Maziar

Hard evidence is not impossible at this point in time

This requires genetic testing of the bodies of the dead or their relatives genes to see if the possibility even existed in them, do they have the genes that give this disease.  The next step once you discover the cancer is unnatural is harder to prove, who did it and why?

For me its easy, for a court of law not so.

VPK

I can give you lots of proof Iraq was about Freedom thing is the proof is distorted by agendas, just as much of what I discuss is scientifically logical, yet in my case my explanations are concealed by agendas too.  Look at this entire video and tell me something fishy is not up,  //www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssuAMNas1us The people required to investigate this incident by law had to do certain tests which they did not do. The Highly unethical act of by passing the law and destroying the evidence with out doing the required tests by law is a cover up of real evidence.  So in this case the investigators need to be investigated too. 

BacheShirazi

I heard that he was exposed to radiation on a trip to West. Do not know any details. But no proof is there and there will never be.

If it happened no way to prove it. Burden is on those who say it to prove it.

The Shah, his doctor and former prime minister

The basics of the lethal cancer are that it occurs naturally in 1 in 500,000 people.  In the future it will be possible to do genetic testing for diseases and see if he even had the gene for it or not.  How disease is given?  In the 1970's they could illicit this exact rare cancer in mice and according to doctors in humans too by poisioning the patient with a unique radio-active strain.  The 3 people were all seen by doctors at the same time in a visit in the USA in the early 1970's for blood tests.  The strain could also be put in food, the 3 ate togther often.

Statistically they were all just as likely to be struck and killed by lightning than to naturally contract the cancer during the same period.  This cancer is different from another non lethal form of cancer shah may have also had genetically from his mothers side which had been cured in her.  Not discussing this subject anywhere goes to show how limited information is and how each piece of key real information can throw a conclusion completely off.  The stories the USA/UK put out today are intentionally  misleading on the subject of Iran/shah.

Shah and cancer

How could the Shah have been given the disease?

Yes Iraq was

not about freedom: duh! Nobody thinks Iraq was about freedom. But I do not agree that keeping mollahs is benefiting USA. The only one who thought that was Jimmy Carter. It is plainly obvious they are bad for USA.

Amirparviz

This is why talking to you is difficult. You never give any proof. No I do not accept your statements on face value.

• Yes I know the claim that Shah was given the disease. But no proof. Maybe it did happen but it is your responsibility to prove it. Or it is just another theory. You know that people get sick don't you and no one is immortal.
• Regarding betrayal. I already gave the example of Nicaragua. Carter was and is a moron. He betrayed many allies of USA. Shah and Somoza got overthrown. Reagan got in an replaced the Sandinista. That is a historical fact. Proving that different administrations have different policies. I bet Reagan would have supported Somoza. Why should I not think Reagan would have also supported Shah. Nixon supported the Shah as did Ford.

I give arguments based on facts. You just make up stuff and demand people accept it. Personally I do not see IRI benefiting America. I believe this is a cop out to blame other for inaction.

One day you say RP is "not allowed" to talk under threat of death! Then RP talks making a pretty decent job. What happened, did America change its mind. Did he go against their rule. Or was there never a rule to begin with. I bet there never was one.

JJ 2 great central questions you asked

trying to think of a simple way to answer complex questions.

Can't address the first one without explaining what monarchies do, benefits, long subject.

Can't address second one without presenting what is the real motive behind USA betraying shah, not what they say, what it is. Even longer subject. 

Do You read anywhere officially regarding the death of the Shah

His personal doctor and head of his court?  No because most policy is not what it is portrayed to be, the portrayal is to sell people of the usa not what the real policy is.  By the way they all got a form of cancer that was given to them, not a natural death. One form that it is impossible for all 3 to have gotten from their own genetics as it is so rare.  When you see US Policy producing what I am saying and never faultering from that path, you will understand why so many people see what i am saying.  The USA is doing all it can to keep backward mullahs to serve its own agenda for Irans Resources.  Iraq was also not about freedom btw.

US Policy Amirparviz

Yes I know of Iran Contra. As I said Reagan was busy reversing the Carter policy in Nicaragua and used IRI for it. That does not mean Reagan supported IRI; it means he needed them at the time. 

America made many deals with Soviets but it did not mean it supported them. You are confusing support with deal out of necessity. Anyway you are never going to show any proof because you don't have any. You are just repeating the same thing.

I don't care how much you believe it;  show me proof of it. If not don't expect people to believe you. Now go repeat "this is us undeclared policy" a billion more maybe you feel better.

VPK This is not proven

It is the entire US Policy and the job is given to embassies/Secret Service.  Ever hear of Iran Contra? In every administration there have been serious cases of dealings with regime in secret which reveal the hand of the usa and its undeclared policy.

Amirparviz

In Irans Case there is No doubt Carter/USA Supported Khomeini

Yes that is well known and on historical record. Proof includes statements by: Andrew Young; Brzezinski and other senior officials of that administration.

And the USA has also done everything in its power to keep islamists in power until today.

This is not proven. You and others keep saying it but never show any proof. Without proof it is just a guess. You may repeat this a million but without proof it is a your opinion. I will provide two examples of why you may be wrong.

The Carter presidency saw two revolutions: Iran and Nicaragua. In both situations Carter withdrew support from what he considered "dictators". The result was anti-American regimes that bit him back.  That policy was changed post Carter:

• Reagan did all he was able to undermine Nicaraguan regime. He went so far as to fund a military against them and mien their harbors. Result was the fall of Sandinista. One may reason Reagan was no fan of IRI and dealt with them per necessity not love. He may well have preferred the Shah but it was too late. He was busy with Nicaragua and did not "get to Iran". Plus he needed money to fund Contras. Meanwhile he kept IRI neutralized with the war.
• Bush II. Again I read many places the plan was Iraq; then Iran. It just happened he botched Iraq so bad he never got past it. If Iraq has been as easy as he though IRI would have been next.

یا مرگ یا مصدق!

JJJ did you have fun being in the middle of a live event between protestors and riot Police?!  That seemed like fun and you were quick to take the pictures, albeit a minor skirmish but fun eh?!  You can check another box off your list of things to do! 

BTW I hear South Pole is near Chile and this time a year for Chile it's a good time to take a cruise or something?  Seriously.  If you decide to go and provide some pictures, please don't just go and put your foot on South Pole's beach and come back!  Please go to the center of it and report!  Oh what fun - Miss Touran - in South Pole! 

Everything is sacred

Freedom. That's why.

Hirre, millions of Iranians have migrated to the U.S., Europe and Australia for freedom and opportunity. Iranians have thrived in the West. They can breath without being forced by religious authorities how to live their lives. That is blessing any human being should be thankful for. And Iranians in the West are thankful. Even if most of them don't want to admit it. Just the fact that they have chosen to stay in their new homelands, rather than go back to the hell that is the Islamic Republic, says a lot: They prefer freedom abroad to tyranny at home.

Democracy. Period.

Amir P., what is the point of bringing the monarchy back? If the Shah was working towards establishing democracy (a big IF), then why not work towards democracy today? Iranians don't need a king, a molla, or a general to run their country. If Iranians don't learn and practice direct democracy, it is likely that any other form of government, even a "constitutional monarchy" will not change much, other than replacing a turban with a crown. It would be great to get rid of this theocracy. But it would not necessarily be a democracy. And even under the best scenario, if the king remains a figurehead and does not interfere in politics, why should the Iranian people agree that their national wealth and taxes be spent on having a royal family?

Also, your comment that the CIA has been backing the Islamic Republic is based on what? The Islamic Republic is America's Enemy No.1. They are imposing tougher and tougher sanctions. They have been in a virtual state of war. And you say the CIA is supporting the mollas?

So the question is...

So the question is why would you iranians want to move to America after all this information? A type of protest would be not so support the american economy by not living, working and paying tax in the states... The only thing I can "agree" with the IR is this issue of iranians living in the states, I don't really get that... It's almost like jews not wanting to live in germany after WW2, but in this case germany became "normal" after a couple of decades, but the US is still doing dirty business...

I guess it confirms iranians are for sale.

Khomeini mosolium & Evin Prisoner Must

become musems for the crimes of iri/irr against Iranians.

In Irans Case there is No doubt Carter/USA Supported Khomeini

And the USA has also done everything in its power to keep islamists in power until today.

History is indeed a great teacher of successes.

How did countries with long established histories become democratic societies? Lets first look at ones with long histories like our own people, successful examples would be japan, UK, sweden, netherlands examples of failures would include india, for societies with a long history. The successful ones seem to do it gradually and not all in one go. Based on peace and progress both being there in every single case. Even in Chiles case had the Dictator Pinochet created corruption, poverty and backwardness like IRI it could never have transitioned into a democracy like he helped it do (Pinochet used his dictatorship to lead Chile in the direction it went).

The monarchy is the best institution to bring the peace and progress necessary for Iran to develop into a democratic society. The IRI clerics have brought neither peace nor progress so moving from them to a democracy straight away is a pipe dream, probably the most dishonest act some Iranians participate in Today is pretending this is possible. Corruption, poverty, backwardness exist in the extreme today in Iran. In Pinochets Chile the country could go to a democracy because with his dictatorship there was peace and progress, economicaly the country was thriving and shooting upwards, while providing good education privately and building institutions that could compete in the world. A Real Pity the late Mohammad Reza Pahlavi's rule of Peace and Progress was not supported more as it was gradually creating a democratic Society.