EXTERMINATION

JJ's recent photo essay

I saw the pictures, read the readers' comments, and in the end could not believe that the simplest of human reactions had never surfaced. How amazing!

Of course it's a beautiful essay, definitely informative and thought provoking. But didn't anyone feel sad? It's such a long time since it happened, yet we are still arguing over the numbers! These were not all soldiers, in fact, most of them just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. They were not the aggressor, but rather innocent citizens who shared the same belief. Who cares what each of our beliefs are? We're talking about innocent lives! These victims were you and me and our parents and our children. I looked at the pictures, read the captions and felt a horrible chill. Amazing how little I knew even after all the articles, films and talks. You don't have to be Jewish to feel for mankind. Please tell me I wasn't the only one who felt a huge lump in my throat!

Three Responses

• There is a difference between killings meant to exterminate a people and other types. The former is "genocide" while the latter is mass murder. Many find genocide particularly heinous since it wants to eradicate a whole culture; its history and so on. Something Nazi's tried to do to Jews; Turks to Armenians; Europeans to Native Americans.
• There is also a "cultural genocide". This seeks to destroy a culture but lets people live. It is what Arabs tried to do to Iran 1400 year ago and IRI is doing now.
• Hoshang : People are capable of great good or evil. That makes people a particularly impressive life form. It does not automatically mean good.
• Roozbeh: As much as I hate the IRI and AN I find your analogy flawed. We all konw what AN meant. If you listen to his Farsi statement he did not mean nuking Israel. Parroting this only serves to help those who want to attack Iran.

Verytass

Here's a 1989  New York Times article  on the issue which your comment may be referencing.

Per DK's Wiki link, Soviet Union had the biggest loss

24 million total of which 14 million were Civilians, twice as many as Jewish concentration camp victims.

This is precisely what happens when a power hungry crazed dictator with illusions of world domination and "wiping" other Nations "off the map of the earth" is given the oppurtunity to be  armed, let alone build/buy a nuclear bomb.

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And Our Gedah President Demands Reparations for WWII ?

Recommended Reading on our Gedah President:

Ahmadinejad demands World War II reparations (Majlis)

Recommended Pictory:

Iranian Troops Parade in London on V Day :

Iran in London WW II parade

Iran in London WW II parade (2)

FYI/Iranian Casualties WW2 ~ 200 < Iraqi Casualties WW2 ~ 500

See Statistics Per Country Here :

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

In a World Conflict that cost approximately between 50 to 70 million dead ...

World War II casualty statistics vary greatly. Estimates of total dead range from 50 million to over 70 million.The sources cited on this page document an estimated death toll in World War II of 62 to 78 million, making it the deadliest war ever. When scholarly sources differ on the number of deaths in a country, a range of war losses is given, in order to inform readers that the death toll is disputed. Civilians killed totaled from 40 to 52 million, including 13 to 20 million from war-related disease and famine. Total military dead: from 22 to 25 million, including deaths in captivity of about 5 million prisoners of war.

faramarz

Saaket! Harf nabasheh. Miri birroone kelasa!@:))

Interesting

Dear Houshang,

Very interesting statistics. May I ask where you did find them?

I need to do more researches by my own.

Thanks.

Please, let's not get into comaprative study of Holocusts, it's

just soooo depressing.

Jewish Holocust 6 millions.

Soviet Losses from Hitler's invasion 20 millions.

Soviet people killed during Stalin's "modernization" 12 to 14 millions.

African slaves perished during the "Middle Passage" 15 to 20 millions.

Victims of Irish Famin 2 to 3 millions.

America Indians vanished by white settlers 10 to 12 millions.

Armenian Genocide 2 to 3 millions.

Gypsies( through out their history), Rawanda ( 90's), Cambodia( 70's), People's Republic of China during "Cultural Revolution," Congo at this very moment, .....there  just seems to be no end to it.

And we call ourselves ASHRAF MAKHLOGHAT!  what a joke.

auschwitz lowered numbers by 3 Million

FACT: auschwitz lowered its numbers by 3 Million 2 years ago! 

 However there is never been any mention of it on the media!!! 

Fact: these camps were all under the stalin control and all numbers came from them the Stalin soviets. They were used for propaganda and their numbers have never been validated since. 

Fact: use of gas to exterminate has not to been proven and there is no residual amount in the "extermination" ares.  The Zyklon B traces do not exist on the "death" chambers. Although there is no proof, either way Zyklon B was a pesticide and was used to control disease carrying pests. You can argue with thousands of people gathering there, you need  a strong way to kill all parasites. 

Fact: anyone who makes a similar post as mine and raised these questions will be jailed in Germany!!!

One more thing on this subject. Perhaps you should send the

photos of the doll and the kids' shoes to these rabbis who are trying to justify the killing of children:

 //maxblumenthal.com/2010/08/how-to-kill-goyim-and-influence-people-leading-israeli-rabbis-defend-manual-for-for-killing-non-jews/

It seems that they have "forgotten" already.  They have forgotten how evil can be justified, whether it be through religion or some BS racist Nazi doctrine.  No difference. 

Let's remeber Gypsies too ...

It is sad that nobody mentions a word about Gypsies and other victims of the Holocaust.  I wish there was also a memorial for the  five million others who were also persecuted, tortured, tattooed and killed by Natzis. The Gypsies losses were greater than any other group of victims except Jews but hardly anyone mentions or recognizes this historical fact.

Thanks OnlyIran for

Thanks OnlyIran for reminding us of other victims of the recent history

May one day humanity reaches a point of consciousness that no such event ever take place any where in the world.

May one day humanity reaches a point of consciousness that no one uses such horrific events for a political gain

Mehrdad

A very apt photo essay, thanks JJ

Good sense of details, reminded me of those photo essays in GRANTA. A few months back I was reading this account of "life" in Auschwitz, by the late great Italian writer Primo Levi : " Survival in Auschwits,"  somehow the buildings in these picture looks much cleaner than his description in the book. 

I thought about translating the book to Persian ( it's only about 160 pages), maybe we could publish the Persian translation here, on this site? Any one for TARJOMEH'NEGARY GOROHY? Just a thought.

P.S. Primo Levy committed  suicide 1987, he was having these recurrent nightmares, in which he would talk to other folks and no one  would remember Holocust.  

این کلاس یک مبصر احتیاج داره

شراب  خان،

شاگرد نخاله تو این کلاس زیاده، بخصوص اون ردیف آخر که پر از
شاگرد های رفوزه است! نمیذاران که ما این عکس ها رو نگاه کنیم و یک چیزی
یاد بگیریم! 

Auschwitz

This is a moving, heartbreaking, photo essay about the abomination that tops all others. As always, the fact that you give context, your own before and after, gives it immediacy. Seeing the pretty city makes if even more harrowing to remember what happened 70 m. from there. But oh the idiotic comments! I have to slap my forehead when I read, "If we talk about this, why don't we talk about other genocides?" "I was in the library and saw there were so many books about this..." (surely the world Jewish conspiracy at work here) and, did I read this right? "We talk about this because the Nazis didn't have time to clean up, otherwise no one would ever have known." etc. Mash'allah, adam nemishim. Ahmadinejad's got nothing on us!

Great report

Thank you JJ for this informative report and photo essay.

Mr. Javid, thank you for the pics,

They really carry the pain of people who have lived through this horror. I'm ashamed that humanity has this capacity to create such inhuman monsters.

May the souls of those who have seen the face of devil in their last breaths rest in peace for ever.

Marg bar Fascism.

Insanity in pictures.

Tragic. I feel sick looking at the photos!

It does make you feel for what many Jews in and out of Israel think and their current mindset. However, I  cant help but think that this tragedy is being exploited these days for pure dirty politics. politicians and opportunists with agenda are doing a great disservice and spitting on the graves of millions of Jews who perished at the hands of evil. 

شراب قرمز جان اگه قیل و قال نکنیم که نمی‌شه!ج ج ج خودش شروع کرد!

Everything is sacred

jj

You should have taken Ahmadi Nejad with you!

This is a good occasion to remember and talk about

other mass murders and genocides in more recent times.  Six million people have been killed in Congo in the past decade.  And no one seems to care about them.  It's a genocide that the world is sweeping under the rug because the world's high tech industry needs the raw material Coltan that is mined in the Congo and that is being fought over and controlled by the rebels who commit these crimes against humanity.  Our computers and cell phones all rely on this blood tainted material...and no one seems to care.  Girls as young as seven being gang raped, mothers and daughters raped in front of their families...and no one seems to lift a finger...shame on humanity.

And of course, we should not forget other mass murders and deaths, of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan (more than a million dead there), The Khmer Rouge, Rowanda, etc.    

And the Israelis should look at these camps and reflect on the crimes that they are committing against people under their occupation, especially in the world's biggest concentration camp, Gaza.  

dwduke

By numerous nations planning to bomb Iran, do you mean US/Israel? Out of 192 countries in the UN that can hardly be described as numerous. 

Even so, preemptive war is illegal.  If it is nuked or bombed conventionally, it is a terrible crime regardless.  Seymour Hersh and Phillip Giraldi both wrote about secret Pentagon plans to hit Iran with thermonuclear bombs.  Michel Chussodovsky from Global Research exposed it as well.  The plan is a reality.  

Of course it is about the Holocaust.  Everyday Israel supporters come out supporting an attack on Iran, because Iran is "Nazi Germany"!  The same thing was said about Iraq, now 1-3 million Iraqis are dead/wounded thanks to the US and the Israel supporters. 

The Iranian government doesnt have a good human rights record, however its abuses pale in comparison to the horrendous injustices being committed by the United States and Israel.  That probably explains why Iranians who support the IRI are less vocal in condemning IRI compared to US/Israel. 

I would still like to hear what you guys think about Elie Wiesel and his campaign to silence the memory of the millions of Roma/Gypsies murdered in the Holocaust.  For example, Wiesel lobbied to exclude the Roma people at the Washington DC Holocaust memorial.  That is a Holocaust denier!  He should be placed in jail like others in Europe who deny the Holocaust.

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آقایِ جاویدِ عزیز... بزرگْ مقامِ هنَرمند . . .

عکس ها جالبَند و خوش نقشْ و دیدِ شما مثلِ همیشه بی‌ نَظیر.

بار دیگر هنرمندی خودتان را ثابت کردید،از شما به خاطر گذاشتنِ این مجموعه زیبا تشکر می‌کنیم.

همیشه سلامت و شاد باشید و دشمنانِتان غمگینْ و بَر خاک .

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نمی‌دانیم که چرا بقیه اعضای محترم این سایتْ این گونه رفتار میکنند و این چنینْ برْ سرِ همدیگر میزنند.این تنها یک سفر نامه است و آقای جاوید لُطف و مَرحمت کردند و آنرا به ما نشان دادند.. این همه قیل و قال ، ضِدّیت و دُشمنی برای چه است ؟

ما مطمئنیم که ۹۰% شما حَضَرات، هیچ وقت به آشوویتس نرفتید و ماشا الله که چقدر اِدعّا . . . !

به جای این همه حرف‌های تکراری و خطابه‌های پا مَنبری.. از عکس‌ها لذّت ببرید و خدایْ را شکر... که افرادی مثل آقای جاوید وجود دارند که اینطور به هم وطنان خودشان کمک میکنند.

پاینده ایران و ایرانیان واقعی‌.

Asadabad

You wrote,"Do you realize that Iran may be hit with a few nuclear bombs because of the "Holocaust card"?  What do you think of that?" 

What on earth are you talking about?  Who is talking about dropping nuclear bombs on Iran because of the Holocaust?  There are discussions among numerous nations of bombing Iran's nuclear production facilities to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons.  That is not about the Holocaust and no one is seriously talking about using nuclear weapons on Iran now or at any time. 

Uber-Islamist

By definition Islamists are ignorant Anti-Semite morons.  But there are Islamists who stand head and shoulders above their Islamist brethrens; these are uber-Islamists like this one:

“Jews celebrate, every year. Through their Festival ofPurim/Yurim, Jews gloat about killing about 75,000 Persian men, women and children in cities of Hamedan, Shoush, Parse, and Babylon.

You do the math, given the population size then and now, which is worse in numbers? Purim or Holocaust?”

JJ

My point isn't just that injustice should be condemned roundly.  My argument extends to the fact that the Holocaust must not be used to justify other crimes, i.e. Palestinian extermination. 

Do you realize that Iran may be hit with a few nuclear bombs because of the "Holocaust card"?  What do you think of that? 

Regarding the "Holocaust uniqueness doctrine", my criticism of the Holocaust industry is that many Jewish intellectuals downplay or deny other exterminations for their own gain.  For example, Elie Wiesel downplays/ignores the extermination of the Roma/Gypsies during the Holocaust in order to monopolize the Jewish claim of victimhood.  Now you tell me, who is the real Holocaust denier? 

Javadagha

You don't report the story and celebration of Purim accurately.  The celebration of Purim is a celebration of the survival of the Jews from those, through the deception of Haman, were to kill them.  The king issued a decree permitting the Jews to defend themselves from those who were going to kill them.  The celebration is the survival of the Jews.   

If anyone is interested in the real story of Purim, here is a link.

//www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16474

Good blog JJ.  :)

I was at the main public

I was at the main public library yesterday and I happened to walk past the isle and bookcases containing the Holocaust collection. I was dumbstruck at the sheer size of the collection. There were literally hundreds of books and nearly a hundred DVDs. I believe it is the largest collection of any single subject in the entire library. What came to mind was the industry and money behind this informational effort. Simply amazing, by any reckoning.