Sic Semper Tyrannis

A point and a response to Artificial Intelligence

First, the point.  The fact that there are many similarities between the IR and the Taliban is not an absolute indication that there are no dissimilarities.  I'll give the voting -as a theoretical concept which is really of no consequence in Iran--as a dissimilarity.  The end result of the votes being disregarded, on the other hand, is the creation of a Taliban like dictatorship, or a theocracy (take your pick of terminology).  So, the whole thing is a distinction without a difference.

Second - AI- I  don't think that the strategy of mowing everyone down on the street would have worked.  Nor do I think that the Shah would have implemented that strategy for various reasons.  For one thing, Shah, even though a dictator, was not a mass murderer like Khomeini. next, he simply did not have the combination of the fanatical ideological zealots, the power hungry, thugs, foreign mercenaries and self-preservationists that the IR has put together to keep the regime in power, and whose brutality really has no limits.

By way of a small example, we had a friend who lived in Tehran and who was a high ranking Savak officer.   About a year before the 1979 devolution (early-mid 1978) my father traveled to Tehran on business.  The friend invited him to dinner at his apartment, which was in a high rise in Tehran.  As they were having dinner, they could hear chants down below on the streets.  Our friend took my father to the window, and pointed out a small band of demonstrators on the street below who were chanting anti-Shah slogans, and then he said this to my father:  "you see them?  The Shah is gone.  This is just the beginning."   Sure enough, a couple of months later, way before major demonstrations, he packed up his household, took his family and fled to Europe.  These were the kinds of people who were supposed to protect the Shah, them and a bunch of army conscripts.  Do you really think that they would have committed mass murder for Shah?!  

To all of you Saandis drinkers here...

I doubt even the Taliban is sadistic & evil enough to torture their opponents/prisoners with LAVAAT, but your Satanic leaders and IRR system do!

Yek Khordeh Khejaalat va Sharaf Ham Khoub Chizieh!!!!

You're right Amir, you didn't say "national"

I should not have used "lie", more like "inconsequential distraction." I have fixed it. Thanks for staying on the substance!

Quintessential Islamist

Actually that's a lie, They do not claim higher turnout in national elections which is what is comparable here.

O West-residing IRI Groupie, where did I say anything about "national" elections. Show me where I said anything about "national" elections, O Lying Islamist Liar. Enjoy the exchange of Q versus Q. Cheers  :-)

LOL Amir!

Voter turnout (even taken at face value) does not tell us anything about whether or not elections are free, fair, and democratic.

LOL! So, then why did you say this?

North Korea and Cuba claim significantly higher "voter turnout" in their sham "elections" than the IRI does for its own sham "elections".

Actually that's not exactly right. Cuba not claim higher turnout in national elections which is what is comparable here. North Korea, is really incomparable because it's not clear people even understand what voting is.

The point is that high percentage of people vote in IRI elections but not so in Taliban. That's the difference you "objected" to in Sargord's post. Everything else is a distraction.

Sure it does not guarantee a fair election, but it is proof, better than any poll, that people believe their participation in the system will make a difference, and that is true.

Voter turnout (even taken at

No doubt that 85% of Iranians voted!

I was in Paris that day and there was a line more  than 100 meters long outside the embassy. Unheard!! There were people who came with Mercedes Benz and driver to vote, ... No doubt! But All these people voted against Ali geda's candidate as almost voters in Iran.

It wasn't an election but a referendum against IRI as  the one held 30 years before.

The disgusting difference was the blood bath that Jomhoorieh Eslami created after the result while 30 years ago, Bakhtiar accepted  the result cordially.

I Agree with all the points

Except No. 6. I blame the revolution mainly on the Shah as he should have confronted the revolutionaries without mercy in the very beginning when the masses had not become the asses yet. He demonstrated very weak leadership skills. Perhaps it was his cancer. I also blame the Iranians for being such simpletons and falling for the lies that the animal Khomeini fed them.

Do you people seriously doubt 85% voted?

The (il)logic here astounds me!

Millions of people in the streets before and after the election. The highest pubicized most debated competetive election in Iran's entire history. Voter lines were around blocks here in California! Millions went to streets saying "where is my vote". Are you people really THAT blind to reality which does not support your fantasies?

The (flawed) argument is that since there have been higher turnouts in sham elections that means this one did not have the turnout. So by your definition, no turnout in any country is real. Similar to when retarded people frequently say: Hitler was elected, so elections don't mean anything. (In addition to being a retarded argument, that one is not even true)

Please!

There is a difference between Iraq and North Korea.

This turnout was real. That's why they had to cheat.

Pabst Blue Ribbon PBR,

Pabst Blue Ribbon

PBR, baby!

And on special occasions (birthdays, anniversaries, IRI parades of North Korean-inspired scrap metal, etc): Wild Irish Rose.

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-end_fortified_wine 

Na Amir Jaan - Johnnie Walker is too classy for this guy

I'm thinking Pabst Blue Ribbon. :-)

Mokhleseem. 

In fairness to the Phony Sargord :-)

Do you drink your ice tea out of a mason jar? 

Ice tea out of a mason jar is pretty damn good...

LOL

You guys are funny. Thanks.

Yeah, it's great weather for a motorcycle ride. I'll be back later tonight. 

Dear AO,

I can just write to John Walker Lindh and get his thoughts.

Perhaps the Phony Sargord hits the John(nie) Walker a little too much before gracing us with his inane/insane claptrap here on Iranian.com. 

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnnie_Walker 

Anyway, Chakeretam. 

Oh, C'mon Mark

what''s the baseball score?  Are you sitting in front of a TV drinking a beer and eating country fried steak? Does your home have wheels?  Is your cousin married to his sister?  Do you drink your ice tea out of a mason jar?  Do you drive a jacked up Ford  F-150?  Should I go on?

Sargord, something 'not boring' 2 do? A bike ride?

An exciting discussion with your aunt? An exam preparation for your students - I've some question in excess if you want!

"what a good boy, what a smart boy, what a strong boy".

Scat baba joon, scat!

You guys are boring. It's

You guys are boring. It's always the same with y'all. No challenge.

But then again, I am dealing with the losers of the last 32 tears. No wonder you're ignored by the winners. 

Unless you come up with fresh and better material, I'm inclined to do the same. 

Phony Sargord,

That's right, run along now before you get more egg on your face. Atta boy. Cheers  .-)

Very true Mardom Mazloom

They actually have more things in common, like their affinity for beards, their macabre ideology,  their penchant for stirring up ethnic tensions, their Islamo-supremacist ideology, etc... but I wanted to limit it to the top ten.

That was funny Amir

You forgot to mention Saddam's Iraq, where 90% of the people voted, out of whom 99% "voted" for Saddam.

You know, I have told this phony American, Mark, to stay off my blogs.  I have told him that if I wanted a terrorist supporting white American's opinion about my country, I can just write to John Walker Lindh and get his thoughts.  But he just can't help barking at  my blogs.  He's like a little lost puppy who is looking for a home...on my blogs :-))   

Yeah, yeah, Amir

We've been on this merry-go-round too many times, Kimosabe. 

Right now you bore me. Maybe we'll hop back on a little later. 

Somehow redundant but not on the WAY of murdering ...

- They both kill in the name of God, the merciful!

Picking apart the Phony Sargord

Do the Taliban hold popular elections with an 85% voter turnout? 

North Korea and Cuba claim significantly higher "voter turnout" in their sham "elections" than the IRI does for its own sham "elections". Oh yeah, those are free elections. Nice try, Phony Sargord.

Do they have television debates between four presidential candidates?  

Among the many, many powers of the so-called Supreme Leader (who can NOT be popularly elected, O Phony Sargord) is the power to appoint "the head of the radio and television network of the Islamic Republic of Iran." Oh yeah, that's freedom of press.

I could take the time to totally pick this post apart. It wouldn't be hard.  

This is what totally picking apart a post looks like, Phony Sargord. Got that? It wasn't the least bit hard. Cheers  :-)

Do the Taliban hold popular

Do the Taliban hold popular elections with an 85% voter turnout? Do they have television debates between four presidential candidates? (Heck, we only get 2 candidates in the US)

I could take the time to totally pick this post apart. It wouldn't be hard. But, I'm sorry Anon, it isn't worth my time. 

My advice? Come up with something more challenging in a future anti-Iran blog post.