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27-Sep-2010
I was planning to write a blog today and suggest once again that Mr. Javid allow us the ability to control and delete the comments in our blogs and noticed that Shazdeh beat me to it! But that’s ok I’ll write mine as a poll question and ask that you please vote Yes or No to this poll question:
Do you want the ability to control comments in your blogs?
Please use the comments section below and cast your Yes or No vote in the subject line. You can add your rationale in the body of the comment if you wish (or write your own blog) but please vote and I’ll tally the votes later this week and provide it here. Mr. Javid has provided a shabdol-azimi tarof that he’ll consider it for future but having a poll and some votes would help him decide one way or another.
This suggestion would not apply to Articles, just Blogs and News items since we have the ability to edit and/or delete our Blogs but not Articles and this is clearly stated in the procedures when you sign up and I think it is ok.
It is true that i.com is Mr. Javid’s house and he can do whatever he wants. However, we “rent” the blog section (also known as the belog section :-) from him and we “pay” him with our contributions. So I think it is only fair that we decide who should be our “guest” in our “rented apartment”.
Should Mr. Javid tell us; let this guy stay in your place for a while and the guest may have more guests of his own so prepare for that as well and send me a flag if something goes wrong?
Obviously something will go wrong and I think we can all agree that things certainly do go wrong and the problem is that Mr. Javid does not see the wrong as some of us do. It depends what your definition of the word “is” IS! He says that personal attacks will not be tolerated but if the “guest” gift wraps the attack, it’ll be tolerated. Here are some examples, some made by a self-proclaimed guilty party:
- You write a piece about being Iranian-American and want to discuss the loyalties between the two countries, when the first comment you receive lashes at you for being an “exile”.
- You are an Iran Iraq war veteran and want to write a piece to commemorate the 30th anniversary of the start of the war and discuss your memories and Islamic Republic’s behavior during the war with fellow Iranians when an internet trolls asks you for the detail of your service and if you don’t respond he’ll throw a tantrum and calls you a fraud and more.
- You want to write a piece about Bahai’s participation in the constitutional revolution when a self-proclaimed Bahai basher lashes at you for having such thoughts.
Now if we’re given the ability to control the comments in our blogs, like other sites do, some of the above bloggers in those examples may choose to keep those comments. Not everyone is the same and one size does not fit all. However, we will know that the blogger had an option and made a choice to allow the “gift wrapped” personal attack or an irrelevant or off topic comment to stay.
The attackers have a choice to say whatever they want in response to a particular blog in their own space and their own writing in a separate blog if there is dying desire to do so. No one is stopping them. Mr. Javid will have overall control of the comments or close a blog for further comments as he does already.
I should also mention that I wouldn’t want the comment control option if the IP address of the bloggers is identified as a result. Other sites (Blogspot, Wordpress or Huffington post to name a few) allow the commentators IP addresses to be shown but in the past i.com’s admin has stated that the IP address can remain hidden and not disclosed.
The argument that Mr. Javid provides is to be the “bigger person” and “ignore” them. But why should we? Why should we be “treated” with an “anti-Iran” comment by an internet troll? What did the bloggers in the examples I provided do wrong? All they did was to contribute to this website in good faith. The guilty parties are the ones being rewarded by getting a free pass to do this again and in more blogs.
I sincerely appreciate Mr. Javid’s work and responsibilities and I think he’d admit that since going to an all registered forum i.com has become much better and his own workload (on anonymous comments staying in his approval queue) has been reduced by at least 80%. So let’s take this other step and make it better and easier. i.com can do better. At least tell us why not? If it is democracy or practicing it, well there are laws under democracy and the most important part of the democracy is the rule of law and not applying it selectively.
This blog got longer that I wanted to so I leave you with the poll question once again with a Yes or No vote option and we can discuss more if you like. Please vote!
Do you want the ability to control comments in your blogs?
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Update: Oct 3, 2010
Let's keep the voting open so others can still vote. I'll keep the voting open until we are free at last! Free at last! Thank god almighty we're free at last, to delete comments in our blogs!
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Update: Oct 5, 2010
This blog was blocked by Mr. Javid apparently because some users couldn't sit still! You see if I had the option to control comments in my own blog I'd have deleted the comments that caused this blocking by the Editor. To all who voted NO and worried about censorship, take a look at the end result of this one example. Censorship for ALL not just a few users. I once deleted a numerous commented blog of mine which made some unhappy. Having my blog blocked here is there a difference?
Anyway I'm eliminating two other users' votes because they couldn't sit still either or as Mr. Javid would call it who couldn't "ignore" it :-) To those who'll say the voting was a sham and no one should be eliminated, etc., I'd say take it easy! Final tally is 7 YES and 23 NO.
Oh well at least I got to say the last word!
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MM, right on cue...
by Q on Sat Oct 02, 2010 07:19 PM PDTlet me repeat something you obviously missed from my previous comment to you:
They also get infected with sudden alzheimers whenever it comes to making a fair assessment on who starts personal attacks on these threads.
Have yourself checked by your doctor!
Conclusion by you and Khers and a few others not mentioned:
As long as someone you don't "respect" (see my definition) is on the receiving end of any personal attack, or "sarcasm", etc. You are no where to be found. the minute a response is initiated, you transform into "captain sensible"...
cue the music again, Cheezaki!
there you go again, Q
by MM on Sat Oct 02, 2010 07:09 PM PDTCondescending, degrading or sarcastic?
"You can't slander fake invdividuals such as yourself. This does not mean that we can say nothing against anybody who is real. I have said many things about many people as others have."
Mr. Javid at least give "comment control" temporarily & test it
by Anonymouse on Sat Oct 02, 2010 06:44 PM PDTEverything is sacred
Pass khedmatetoon arz konam ke ...
by Mardom Mazloom on Sat Oct 02, 2010 06:41 PM PDTI'm against self delation-melation, so NO.
Those, who post sh#t, render a service to the community as
Voilà!
I vote against censorship
by Shepesh on Sat Oct 02, 2010 06:33 PM PDTOtherwise if a blog is written that is telling lies, certain people may be censored from telling the truth. I thought the whole point of this site was that Nothing is Sacred for discussion, and that criticism was acceptable. Otherwise we might as well be living in Iran where certain views and people's contributions are forbidden.
Noone is forcing anybody to discuss with certain people. If they do not like being in a Public Place, then they should go to Facebook where they can control who they can talk to.
when did I say whoever was arrested for commenting on IC?
by MM on Sat Oct 02, 2010 06:31 PM PDTSee what I mean? At least read the thread and be informed!
Oh no don't delete comments Unless
by Monda on Sat Oct 02, 2010 06:28 PM PDTthey get flagged 3 or more times.
Someone mentioned that out of 5000 IC readers vote of 20 doesn't matter. I agree, because honestly most people come here for the substance posted (articles/ blogs/ images and sounds). And then there are those who come here to confirm their political& cultural/ social positions - adnausem. Skip'em like I have.
Someone compared IC with FB... Don't baba! The two have much different Function/ who wants to be "Friends" with someone hiding behind symbols any way? No matter how pretty or obnoxious the avatar may be. You either meet decent people through real life experiences or you don't. (Now I can rest easy about all the Keyhan Bachehhaa readers I once fantacized of actually meeting)Late votes count, until we're Free @last! Free @last! god alm...
by Anonymouse on Sat Oct 02, 2010 06:26 PM PDTEverything is sacred
Anonymouse, late votes count or the game is over?
by Mardom Mazloom on Sat Oct 02, 2010 06:22 PM PDTچو ایران نباشد، تن من مباد
PS thank you Cheezaki for that video! Do you have the lyrics?!
by Anonymouse on Sat Oct 02, 2010 06:17 PM PDTEverything is sacred
VPK, thanks for your nonsequitor insults to me and Anonymouse,
by Q on Sat Oct 02, 2010 06:23 PM PDTYou dodged the questions put to you with skill of a lizard.
The only way I could put others at risk is by revealing confidential information. I PROMISE I would never do that about anyone even SP :-)
People's real names get slandered here all the time. What a joke! You haven't noticed? It really proves what I have been saying all along. Your own case is "holy", you think IRI gives a crap about you and because of this you would like to protect yourself. Yet, you couldn't care less about anyone else's privacy or danger to them.
I PROMISE I would never do that about anyone even SP :-)
Good, then I PROMISE never to delete anybody's comment so that there would be no "restriction". If that's good enough, you should have no problem going with Anonymouse's plan. That is <>unless you are a hypocrite
.But we already know the answer don't we?
MM, what are you talking about? This is what I mean, when I say some Iranians have self-congratulatory fantasies about their own importance. There is no way HOder was arrested for anything he wrote on IC, or probably anywhere.
People were calling names for being pro IRI. The only IRI insider (not counting reformists) he regularly trashed was Rafsanjani who is all but sidelined and certainly has not been behind his detention. He was arrested for the high profile publicity after his travel to Israel for which he even said, he would accept a jail term. Both his arrest and his term are unjust in my opinion, but get real it wasn't about his writing on the Internet. He was already censored by Javid when our "freedom loving" editor refused to publish his criticims of Rooz online. He said so in his last video before he left.
Mr. Javid keep it simple, fair and democratic.
by Anonymouse on Sat Oct 02, 2010 06:34 PM PDTThank you for commenting and I hope you don't block the blog when personal attacks escalate. It was afterall your comment that started it all! Although you can do whatever you want!
I try to be short and to make a long story short, I don't like the flagging or up or down commenting, I consider it child play. I do like what Q said about how huffingtonpost does it.
You give your bloggers the "choice" to let the commentators know this is a blogger moderated blog and your comments can be deleted. This way anyone coming in would know what to expect.
The main point is why do I as the blogger have to be forced to debate someone when I don't want to? In real life and under democracy and "freedom of speech" I choose to debate one person (say an Islamic Republic supporter) but not another one. It can't be forced. I just don't want to, plain and simple. It is not calculus.
It's like many Iranian think tanks who want to "customize" democracy for Iran.
Whoever wants to have a blog with open door policy and zero tolerance for deletion can do so at his/her choosing. ALL these people who are beating their chests about freedom of speech and crap like that can write blogs and inform their readers that his/her blog is open to all kinds of comments. Nothing could be better.
You already give the delete blog option to your bloggers. Is there a massive blog deletion going on? Has it ever? I know of 3 or 4 bloggers who do it and very few blogs, maybe a dozen or two, that have been deleted. I once deleted a blog and another one when I suggested an avatar for you :-)
So don't make this bigger than it should be. It IS about freedom of speech which you provide for every blogger and equal protection under the law.
Everything is sacred
Island of stability!
by Anonymouse on Sat Oct 02, 2010 06:12 PM PDTRosie funny you should mention VPK as an island of stability in i.com. As you may know Jimmy Carter said the same thing to Shah in 1977!
I'm not going to go back and repeat myself about his jumping from one branch to another. He is jumping again from one branch (me managing to "poison IC") to another branch (threatening to leave IC :-).
"All" he wants is for others (not necessarily him) to attack bloggers with impunity and by any means necessary so he can watch it. Furthermore, he wants to go and sift through garbage and find the deleted comments "again". This he calls "freedom of speech".
Now you didn't answer my question completely. You said you aren't worried about yourself not deleting comments. Are you worried about others deleting comments? My question had an "or" in it. Your or others. If you are worried about others, why?
Everything is sacred
Comrade, shepesh, Khers, Raoul, all others ------>>> VOTE first!
by Anonymouse on Sat Oct 02, 2010 06:11 PM PDTEverything is sacred
MM
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sat Oct 02, 2010 06:02 PM PDTPS, I do not understand how Sargord is against restrictions while Q is!
Because Sargord has a bit more common sense and integrity.
MG - nothing to do w/ carrying computers (most have it)
by MM on Sat Oct 02, 2010 05:56 PM PDTI have heard that the random checks have to do more with the physical appearances of the passengers:
Men: cleanly shaven, long hair or reesho-pashm? tie or liesure-suit? cologne or rose-water?
Women: maghna'e/chaadour or loose head-cover w/ thin knee-highs? unibrow or rimel? and of course, perfume or rose-water?
PS, They will check for consistency against your travel-mates!
Wha wha what, MM = Jahanshah!?
by Mardom Mazloom on Sat Oct 02, 2010 05:55 PM PDTIf it's the case, I'm very flattered,
Some times ago a friend here asked if Mardom Mazloom = MM!
Isn't it great? (as by transitivity it comes Jahanshah = Me), lol!!
Dirty Angel:
by Raoul1955 on Sat Oct 02, 2010 05:48 PM PDTThanks for the video link.
If I were 'Sargord Pirouz' I would write here that I saw my cousin in the video. LOL
I enjoyed it with smiles.
Raoul :-)
MM, (Jahanshah)
by Rosie. on Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:45 AM PDTHoder's case is complicated and there are tons of submissions on it here. Just go into the recent entries on my tracking and you can find out most of what there is to know. There are also a couple of other recent news items and one article, an interview with his mother, which is now pn page 2. All I wll say right now is that far above and beyond his blogging the heftiness of the sentence was due to his visit to Israel as a self-proclaimed 'good will ambassador' for Iran on his Canadian passport in 2006, which visit is illegal and was deemed collaborating with enemy states. If you want to know about that trip, there is a link to a documentary about it in my blog on him. I am going to be writing another blog about him pretty soon. The fact is that such a stiff sentence is unprecedented for an Iranian blogger because he is not just a blogger.
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ABOUT THE ANALOGY MADE HERE BETWEEN BLOGGER CONTROL OF THREADS ON THIS SITE AND HODER'S ON HIS:
This site has about as much in common with Sardabir Khodam as it does with Facebook. Please, Jahanshah, PLEASE...if they want to be like Facebook, let them post blogs on Facebook for their 'social network'. Aren't half of them on Facebook already anyway? Or better yet, they can set up their own blog site on wordpress like Hoder. and let us know.
No
by Raoul1955 on Sat Oct 02, 2010 05:37 PM PDTOtherwise this becomes a truly Middle Eastern style blog site, where expressions of views and thoughts end up being deleted by the poster for any reason, or no reason whatsoever.
Most readers are slightly intelligent folks and can easily ignore/disregard nonsensical postings. By now, I totally ignore postings by 'Sargord Pirouz' and a few others.
I consider this site as being one of the most civilized sites I have visited. I have seen no profanity, or otherwise foul language used in blogs on this site. :-)
Thank you Rosie jan.
by Shepesh on Sat Oct 02, 2010 05:33 PM PDTBy the way, I read all your previous comment and I know what you are talking about.
Editing Comments. Shepesh,
by Rosie. on Sat Oct 02, 2010 05:27 PM PDTif someone has clicked on the reply button under your post when they answer you, the text of your post gets frozen and your edit button disappears. If the person clicks on the reply button on your post while you are in the process of editing it, when you click on your send button you will get the Error page. .
کیو میخواد که محدودیت باشه
KhersSat Oct 02, 2010 05:50 PM PDT
که خودش تنها تهمت و افترا زن در این سایت باشه. آخه خجالت هم خوب چیزیه. از یک طرف بلاگ مینویسه به چندین نفر در این سایت میگه اسرائیلی، و از یک طرف اشک تمساح میریزه و ننه من غریبم در میاره که مردم اینجا "slander" میکنند.
آقای کیو سابقهٔ تهمت و افترا زدن شما در این سایت برای همه مشخصه. هیچ کس این فیلم بازی شما رو اینجا باور نیمکنه. برو این اراجیف رو به کسانی بگو که نمیشناسنت.
//iranian.com/main/blog/khers/iranian-com
MM
by mash Ghanbar on Sat Oct 02, 2010 04:56 PM PDTDo they pick randomly or what?
I am sure if they see you without a computer they won't bother. they will only come your way when they see you fancy shmancy Lap top, right? And they could easily be lied to, could they not?:)
Ach, Göttchen, wie niedlich
by Dirty Angel on Sat Oct 02, 2010 05:21 PM PDTFür den heißgeliebten Führer und Strebenden
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=suPgHZrm-c0
"Ceci n'est pas a very dirty post"
excuse me - what was H. Derakhshan's crime for 19.5 yrs in jail?
by MM on Sat Oct 02, 2010 04:46 PM PDTno way anyone, on the internet, who wants to visit Iran would expose themselves like that again. I have also heard of Islamic looking guys/gals at the airport with high-speed internet access who ask, especially young and middle-aged passengers, for their internet accounts, if their names are not in the black list already.
PS, I do not understand how Sargord is against restrictions while Q is!
Q
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sat Oct 02, 2010 04:16 PM PDTAre you really scared wheen I call you "an Islamist" or a "hypocrite"? Does that put you at risk? By whom? Comeon now, what can I say that would put you in danger?
Q
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sat Oct 02, 2010 03:56 PM PDTShepesh already explained very well the risks. Now to my part
1) I don't owe you anything and do not have to prove anything to you. However I promise to all that as soon as Iran has a normal sane government I will gladly use my real name.
2) I speak for myself not for "Americans" on this site. They should speak for themselves.
3) I cannot put others at risk by "attacking" them. IRI does not go after people because VPK said something nasty about them! The only way I could put others at risk is by revealing confidential information. I PROMISE I would never do that about anyone even SP :-)
Shepesh, simple solution
by Q on Sat Oct 02, 2010 03:33 PM PDTpoeple do not want to take the risk.
Then DON'T PUT OTHER PEOPLE AT RISK BY ATTACKING THEIR REAL NAMES
Anonymous people who have this kind of fear (real or imageined) are completely protected by site policy. Yet the same courtesy is not given to those who are not anonymous. These other attacks also have serious consequences and scare people and also stifle speech.
What is wrong with enforcing this too?
Q jan
by Shepesh on Sat Oct 02, 2010 03:27 PM PDTpoeple do not want to take the risk. My daughter's friend went to Iran for a family funeral and they asked for her Facebook, email account and gave her a half an hour interrogation. It came to nothing in the end and she was allowed to leave the country but Iranians are SCARED. I hope that soon in the future we will have a more moderate government where free speech is tolerated and that all Iranians can feel secure in that they are safe whoever they are.
I understand your argument about some who use unreal names to bully others, but the majority do not. How many people get blocked? It is the minority and usually the same people . It is the behaviour that does not change whatever their name.