Capt Ayhab

I have to say

that I'm enjoying the exchange between Captain and benross.  Both you gentlemen (or gentlewomen as the case may be) are doing a great job expressing yourselves.

benross: I really envy your superb command of the English language and your ability to express yourself firmly but without coming across as being rude. 

captain: I admire your honesty and your English is not so bad either.  It's a little better than mine :-)

I don't consider IRI enemy (to Ayhab)

"....it tells me that there is a potential, a glimmer of hope that we might
be able to FORM some UNITY, some much needed unity against common
enemy.....IR."

No Ayahab, I don't consider IRI an enemy. I just consider IRI a regime that I have many disagreements with, and I believe that it needs to be seriously reformed, ............and in time changed to RI (Republic of Iran). 

Capt_ayhab

I don't follow your logic captain. Sorry. It is unfortunate that Israel is now under control of extreme right for decades now. The policy of Bush in the region was disastrous. The policy of Israel was disastrous. But who demonized Iran? for heaven sake look who was governing in Iran for the past 30 years. If you can't separate Iran from this entity which is IRI, this is your problem.

I'm fully aware what the Israel right wing looks like. A very similar one exists in U.S where I assume you are living and, in which there is a possibility that someone like Obama gets elected.

I simply don't blame U.S for what it can do to us in the region. We are to be blamed for what we can be subject to. Same goes for Palestinians. You say we have enough. Is this the Ahmandinejad version of 'having enough' that you mean? If it is not, fine, show it. How do we have enough?

Please please don't try to define yourself by defining an enemy. That's what Ahmadinejad does, that's what Khomeini did and that's what Palestinians are doing. I don't need an enemy to define myself. 

Not so fast Captain!

We have a "Whale" to save first!

On a serious note though, we all love Iran and Iranians and don't want Iran to turn into another Afghanistan, Iraq or Pakistan. This is what binding us, "protecting Iranians of all sects, religions, races and creeds from harm".

got to admit

Not that I agree with, but when ladies and gentlemen like Mola, Ostaad, Ebi, DK, benross, kharmagas, ID, Red Wine and Mammad honor this pathetic little thread, it tells me that there is a potential, a glimmer of hope that we might be able to FORM some UNITY, some much needed unity against common enemy.....IR.

What do you say guys???????????

-YT 

Mr. benross

You stated[This is not about bombing Iran. It is a way of saying 'if you corner us in Israeli-Palestine conflict too much, we make the region a hell on earth'. It's just a posturing. A posturing that U.S should take seriously, not for Iranian issue, but for its peace plan for the region. And it worked, to the extend that it could work and even Israel is not pushing it too much anymore.]

Lets examine this if we may,  A) This is not about bombing Iran.

Geo politically, you and I know for fact that THIS is about supremacy in the region. We know for fact that Iran posses a treat not because she wants to acquire self-defense arsenal, but because when IR was helped to be created in order to withstand the treat of cold war era Communism has severed its purpose. Like many other dictatorships in the region , south America, Middle east, Asia, Africa and  even Europe[E/W Germany],  which were helped to come to power, just to be a barrier between ex USSR and so called free world.

B) It is a way of saying 'if you corner us
in Israeli-Palestine conflict too much, we make the region a hell on
earth'

Firstly who are WE?, Secondly, [WE] have seen in past 6 decades or so that WE are incapable of accomplishing what [WE] were set to do, except [WE] have become the most horrifying terrorist STATE in the region and the world.

WE stood at UN just days ago , blabbering the existential treat that [WE] face for crimes [WE] have committed, in very front of the body which has condemned [WE] the most in its entire history of existence.

Mr benross,[WE] can no longer get away with murder, no matter how much [WE] try our damnedest to demonize IRANians for what they have NOT committed yet. [WE] have lost credibility in starting YET another unjustified war.

hopefully you see my point. This has nothing to do with the fact whether US is not ready for a black president[which White America will never be] , this has to do with the fact that people of world have had it with WE the center of universe AND THEY AIN'T GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE.

Lesson from history: Iran been there for 3500 years , she has seen little REGIONS come and go, by the virtue of few who thought they could own the region. History is lot longer than few decades. ;-o)

 [WE] have to choose.... is it Israel and US against entire world or Humanity before all?

-YT

Kadivar, Monarchists are Hopeless

I watch the monarchist channels on satellite tv beamed from Los Angeles, they're a bunch of ignorant, uneducated and politically clueless commentators. For thirty years they have been waiting for the United States to attack Iran and make Reza Pahlavi the "King" of Iran. They are pathetic! 

You push Pahlavi's family on this website 24 hours a day as the "Royal Family" of Iran but you forget that there's nothing "Royal" about this family. Grandfather Reza was a stable boy cleaning horse manure, what's so "royal" about that? The horses in that stable had more "Royal" blood than Reza Mirpanj. 

And what does Palestine has to do with the subject on this thread? Is that all you can come up with? When you can't reply to a blogger's comment logically you start name calling and threatening people by labling them. Stop labling people. Don't forget the fact that Bush is gone, so is Cheney, so is Ramsfeld and this is not France where you can lable somebody "Arab" or "Arab lover" and win an argument.

French racism against muslims is a well known fact and is well documented for the world to know, specially now, when the Prime minister and foreign minister are both Jewish and Zionist at the same time. Don't forget our President's middle name is "Hossein" and the first name of the Green movement's leader is Hossien too. 

P.S. I don't click on any of your clips or links. If I want to see a clip I go to U-Tube myself. 

You Guys are Hopeless ...

You will Never Learn Will You ? ...

VOUS N'AUREZ PAS NOTRE LIBERTE DE PENSER !

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJY8fhGTMU0

I shall speak for myself

I have betrayed my people!

I have betrayed my nation!

I have let them down!

I only know names of few who were killed, raped, tortured, beaten, sentenced to death and are still in the gallows!

why?

Because I was too busy  defending my stupid ideology.

Because I was too busy slandering my countrymen just because they share different viewpoints with me.

Because I let emotions to get in the way of my clear thinking and decisive action in support of my brothers, sisters, sons and daughters.

Because I was to afraid to take action, for to me it was more important to prove, with screams and name calling, MY point of view.

Because it was easier to  discredit my countrymen than to convince them to join voices with me.

Because my personal agenda, my personal wants and needs took precedence to welfare and freedom of my country.

Because I live  somewhere, where I am protected.

Because I justify my cowardliness by thinking about my immediate person.

Because it is easier to give up than to fight.

Because my priorities where self centered.

Because I only want to live in glory of my past, by sacrifsing future of my children.

I only speak for myself........ CAN YOU?

-YT 

Kadivar

You never stop your nonsense. You never stop your arrogant, self-righteous attitude. Truth has only been revealed to you. Only you have the power to decide who is an IRI apologist and who is not. And, of course, you, the guy who supports sanctions against Iran, is the ultimate patriot!!

You threw your nonsense at me simply because your claim about the South African model for Iran, which has been repeated here a zillion times, is easily debunked, just as I did in my last comment.  And, this is the thesis that your Ghebleh Aalam, Reza Pahlavi, has been advocating, forgetting conveniently that his father was very cozy with the racist apartheid regime of South Africa!!!! Otherwise, I simply wrote a note to the author of the blog, without having you or anyone else on my mind.

And, why am I not surprised? Because what can one expect from someone whose Ghebleh Aalam is Reza Pahlavi, his idol "Shahbanou," and his most important references always some links to the internet, as if just because someone said something on the internet, that makes it right. What do you do each time you give one of these links? Inflate your chest and beat on it?!!

Everything is finite, even the universe, as vast as it is. But, your arrogance is limitless.

Mammad

For Mammad and Kharmagas The MOST Virtuous Patriots of all Time

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4b8VF_uKXo

HYPOCRISY FROM YOU TWO IRI APOLOGISTS HAS NO LIMITS !

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AgMYoV2-9o

Dear Captain

Thank you for a well-written, well-reasoned blog. Some people, whose screams of "partriotism" are deafening, are prepared "keh beh khaater-e dastmaal, gheysarieh raa beh aatash bekeshand."

My view: Separate the Ahmadinejd-Khamenei regime and the IRGC high command from Iran and Iranians. Defend what is in the interest of Iran and Iranians, and reject whatever that only benefits the military-religious junta.

I am against sanction, military attacks, and isolation. A terrible regime will only get worse under harsher conditions, whose first victims are the very people that everyone in this thread and elsewhere claims to support and love.

Sanctions on Iraq in the 1990s led directly to its invasion in 2003. The argument was, "we tried sanctions; it did not work."

Sanctions on South Africa did not bring down the apartheid regime. The apartheid regime relinquished power because the whites recognized that by relinquishing the political power, they would get to hold the real power - economic power (which is exactly what has happened). But, if they do not relinquish the political power and fight to the end, they will lose everything.

Sanctions have not been able to bring down a regime as dirt poor and isolated as North Korea. Same thing about Myanmar.

Sanctions, in short, are no good. In fact, I argue in an article (soon to be posted) that sanctions will greatly benefit the IRGC, but will hurt the ordinary people.

Finally: I, like many others here, like and respect kharmagas. He writes concisely, to the point, and recognizes an "unpatriot" when he sees one. That is all one can ask for from a good Iranian.

Mammad

Did we ever help?

My problem with your article captain, is that I just don't see it happening. I don't understand why you are so concerned about this nonsense. I understand Israel right wing politics uses 'bomb threat' as a tool for diplomatic gain. This is not about bombing Iran. It is a way of saying 'if you corner us in Israeli-Palestine conflict too much, we make the region a hell on earth'. It's just a posturing. A posturing that U.S should take seriously, not for Iranian issue, but for its peace plan for the region. And it worked, to the extend that it could work and even Israel is not pushing it too much anymore.

The rest, has little to do with Iran and the region, and a lot to do with all out war of the U.S right wing against Obama. It is internal politics of U.S and as stupid as it sounds, it IS the politics in U.S.

The issue of sanctions is not the same thing as the issue of military attack. Even before announcing his candidacy for U.S presidency, the most important international issue for Barak Obama was the issue of nuclear proliferation. As much as we like to see international pressure to be in support of Iranian freedom fighters, this will only be a side issue and it will be considered only to the extend that it doesn't undermine the main issue which is the proliferation. In this regard, your criticism toward those who are advocating enhancing sanctions on behalf of Iranian people, is understandable. Not necessarily because it has an adverse affect on Iranian fight for freedom, but because we don't know what the affect would be, in terms of our struggle for secular democracy.

In practical terms, 'airtight' sanction will prove to be unrealistic. What U.S will seek in sanctions, is a pressure tool to keep the negotiations moving and unfortunately for us, there is little concern in these negotiations about Iranian struggle for democracy.

I'm not advocating that lifting the sanctions would be a better option for Iranians. Because simply we don't know that either way.

Obama in his reaction to his Nobel peace prize, which is in fact focused on the nuclear proliferation issue, has indirectly mentioned Neda who has become the symbol of Iranian struggle. This is a very good news because frankly I didn't expect even that much from Obama. But from this general optimism that we have about international good politics, to the reality of the nature of sanctions and its purpose, there is a gap that human right activists can not fill without any well organized unified opposition.

You are listening and reading too much of U.S polemics. They are mostly internal and nothing to do with Iran and the region. Sanctions in whatever way and whichever affect, will not lead to military action. First, because it can't and it won't be 'airtight'. Second, because IRI and I guess all Iranians, prefer a real supervision of UN on nuclear installation in exchange of easing the sanctions. So it will not lead to the grounds for military conflict.

Where is the beef for us in this, in our struggle for a secular democracy? Not much, or better said, as much as we are committed to it. If we keep talking about nonsense hypothetical situations, based on which apparently -and very convenietly- we will change our allegiance in support of Iranian people - as if our allegiance has anything to do with what Iranian people are going through- then why wait. It's been years and years that a mild and ineffective sanction was imposed on Iran by U.S, or perhaps it wasn't a strong enough excuse to join IRI? Maybe we are only looking for a strong enough excuse to justify our defection?

In either case, I don't see a strong enough commitment for secular democracy in this debate, therefore the current international situation suites us to do whatever we want to do... as usual.

Capt was beamed up! (to Kadivar)

When Capt wrote:

"In process of demonstrating our disgust for the atrocities of the
regime, we have, ever so intentionally or otherwise, evolved into one
of our own worst enemies. In process of condemning the regime, some of
us have  joined voices with the groups who have no other long run plan
in mind but to see another Iraq to be made out of our own country."

that shows that Capt is beamed up to new heights, new level of political maturity and Adamiiat ( similar video for this event: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=puLucI45090&NR=1)

Kadivar, in your case the transporter malfunctioned and you got lost, definitely not beamed up! (the video is not available for this type of tragic beam up).

capt_ayhab Jaan I think You are Being Over Dramatic

I don't think anyone is advocating military action on Iran. Certainly Not the Monarchists ... 

Regime Change YES !

Clever Sanctions MAYBE !

WAR NO !

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Scz91hEKg

In addition the chances of a War with the US is Zero now that we have a Nobel Peace Prize conferred to President Obama.

Besides  the US ARMY Filled with GAY RECRUITS is NO MATCH to our Patriotic GAY-HATING BASEEJIS !

Obama to end military gay policy

As for the chances of an Israeli Attack on Iran's nuclear Facilities: I have been against this option from the very begining. BUT THE BALL IS IN MAHMOUD's CAMP !

Don't Blame it on Reza !

//www.payvand.com/news/09/jun/1103.html

BUT As Far as I am concerned:

I WAS, AM AND WILL BE FOR REGIME CHANGE !

Do I need to Repeat Without Military Action ? I think Not !

My Consciense Is Clear !

Cheer Up Mate and Let's Pray Together FOR A PEACEFUL OUTCOME OUT OF ALL THIS MESS !

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-S3K6wXYpg

Cheers Ol' Chap ,

DK

Captain,

You're right, that's what I'm talking about.

where is the answer?

Many realist points, many interesting comments, and many nice compliments but I did not read any real answer to a very real question - may be the talk of chelo kabab distracted people – not me I am a vegetarian :-). I do not like the current regime in Iran but if it comes to it (attack or sanction) my royalty has to go to the IRI – I see no other options. It is critical for you (us) to take a stand. 

Captain jaan,chokh mamnoon...

Sepaas for harfe hesaab:

"In process of demonstrating our disgust for the atrocities of the regime, we have, ever so intentionally or otherwise, evolved into one of our own worst enemies. In process of condemning the regime, some of us have  joined voices with the groups who have no other long run plan in mind but to see another Iraq to be made out of our own country."

Ebi aka Haaji

Eyval, cap...

As I have said a million times before, let's not throw the baby out with the bath water! The "crippling sanctions" are just that. They are crippling because their first victims are the very people that you have mentioned in your post that are Neda and Sohrab's families, your family, my family and the loved ones of most of us, who don't live in Iran therefore won't directly pay the price for these CRIPPLING SANCTIONS that are constantly and openly pushed by our enemies.

The ones who are going to bear the brunt of these crippling sanctions are the Iranian middle/working class who are standing up to the usurper regime demanding the restoration of their violated human and civil rights. I am sure you and I are NOT the only ones who know what plans Iran's enemies are cooking up for the people of Iran - the crippling sanctions are only the "peesh daraamad" a la Iraq, and the rest is history.

Let' me use this example to make myself clear, when you are sick, jaundiced, coughing and have high fever (in other words, moush az kounet balghour mibareh), there are two groups who will bring it up to your face. First, are your friends who mention your condition in order to entice you to seek help and get better. But the second group is your enemies who keep mentioning your miserable condition in order to put you down, humiliate your and ultimately hurt you anyway they can. It seems to me it is up to us to tell our friends form our foes. That's all I am saying.

In short, sanctions-be-sanctions and watch the baby. Wash the baby and throw out ONLY the dirty bath water, NOT the baby...

Yaa haqh.

PS, I saw the graphics you've used as a bumper sticker not too long ago. I loved it. Do you know where I can get one?

...

در محل بودیم،بوی کباب آمد،توقف کردیم تا اندکی‌ کباب خوری راه بی‌ اندازیم... شراب با ما !

 سمسام خان و آقا مجید و ابی جان و علی‌ آقا را هم خبر کنید ... طفلکی‌ها بدتر از این جانب سخت معشوق کباب و شرابند.

سپاس کاپیتان جان.

Dear Capt

I also agree with the contents of your blog and applaud you for writing such timely and sincere article. Unfortunately, it's apparent that many Iranians are not considering the cost of what they're proposing as means to overthrow the regime. I am proud of the Iranian movement and hope that it is not undermined by the ones who seek "help" from foreign powers. Such assistance will not come without a high cost to our nation.

Now that everyone is going to meet for chelokabab and beryuni, please count me in too!

:-))

haha Mr. kharmagas

If only you knew.....

Every time I go Iran I also visit Shiraz, on the count of my better half being Shirazi. Doing so I ALWAYS stop by Isfahan, even if it is for few hours.

Pas Oftadeem engar, Beryouni and chelo kabab... 

Thanks guys

-YT 

Captain jan

Thank you and you are welcome but I didn't say it to be kind or
generous. Harfe hessab harfe hessabeh and there is no two ways about
it.

It is an honor to be amongst company such as yourself, Kharmagas and Irandokht on this thread.

p.s. Kharmagas:  manam chelokabab mikham!

Hala del misoozooni? :o)

ey bad esfooni! pass man chi??

(Just kidding bekhoda... yevaght davaam nakonin!)

I agree my friend, he deserves a good meal for writing this blog.

IRANdokht

Mr. kharmagas, Ms. Holly

Mr. Kharmagas, I posted this comment in another thread and I like to emphasis here again if you do not mind:

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//iranian.com/main/news/2009/10/09/iran-recru...

With all honesty I have to admit that despite our differences in the past and some minor [gard giri ] between you and I, I have come to admire your stance on true human rights and exposing the criminal and
fascist entity and individuals like AIPAC and Farhad
Kashani[ChAkhAnak].

My hats off to you sir. You are a true  Iranian and a fair minded man. 

P/S Love your pet name for agho Farhad. ;-o)

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Ms. Holly Thanks for your kindness and generocity.

-YT 

Eloquently written, ...... Ayhab

Also VERY timely.

pir shi (as BN says)

IRANdokht, if I see Ayhab in Esfahan, I'll take him to the best Berioni/Chelokabai for this article.

Well said Captain

My hat's off to you.

Thanks Sarvaran

You guys have always been very kind to me, I appreciate both of you for your time and kind words.

Respectfully

-YT 

Beautifully written

I enjoyed reading your blog and agree with your sentiment. 

Those were very noble thoughts. You also posed very good questions.

Thank you!

IRANdokht

کاپیتان جان سلام

Sepaas .

Will be back later.

Ebi aka Haaji