How Useful Are Iranian Know-It-Alls And Their Advice? Part 2

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How Useful Are Iranian Know-It-Alls And Their Advice? Part 2
by JahanKhalili
16-Oct-2011
 

It is Ironic that the most popular high school major in Iran is named "oloomeh tajrobi" (loosely, "science that is understood through direct experience or investigation").

I never saw Iranian high school students doing any such thing. The entire course of study involved reading books, memorizing what was in them, and regurgitating it in class or on an exam.

The teacher would teach his lesson. Students would absorb it as if a prophet of god was dictating the truth to them.

There was never a single experiment or field trip. The students were of course free to do this on their own time, but none of them ever did.

Nothing prevented them from going out and catching lizards and snakes (of which Iran has plenty), for example, and studying them. No, that's not how things are done in Iran. You have to be instructed about lizards by some important person. You can't learn about them by actually catching one and examining it; that would be a waste of time!

Actually, something did prevent them from doing that; their culture. In Iranian culture, knowledge doesn't come through an individual's own efforts at gathering information about the world through direct experience or observation; it comes from someone else - either in the form of their written opinion (a book), or through their spoken word.

The students had to pass exams, so that's what they learned to do. They studied for grades. Society prepared them to ignore distractions like genuine interests in favor of jumping through hoops and achieving "success". 

Therefore Iranian students were too interested in "studying" to study anything (if that makes sense).

The word "taghlid" ("emulation") is a familiar word in Islam, and one might be mislead into thinking that only religious Muslims do it.

Actually, the irreligious and even atheistic Iranians do it as well.

Yes, the same Iranians who pride themselves on being "Westernized", "enlightened", etc.

They mindlessly repeat the pronouncements of their own favorite authority without question. That favorite authority is sometimes the BBC or Voice of America. Sometimes, its some prestigious human being that they idolize. Sometimes its public opinion. At other times, it is their esteemed golden know-it-all selves.

Knowledge, power - and all other goodies - come from prestige.

If the Shah or an Ayatollah burps, Iranians will report it with such an air of importance that a Tsunami warning would be sidelined. If an important person says something and its absolute garbage, Iranians will quote it as if its the truest most important thing in the universe.

Next down the line are Iranians with degrees, great arbab or kadkhoda, or other forms of big-shot that can be found in Iranian society. Their pronouncements elicit the same fawning worship from their subjects.

All such a person has to do is stand there, and this will produce an impression on the worshipful idiots around him.

Iranians are prestige-worshippers. They care nothing about direct inquiry or investigating what's on this earth. All their concern is for worshipping someone, and belittling someone else.

All their activities besides eating and sleeping revolve around gaining prestige for themselves, or trying to take it from someone else. 

Pictured above is a page from a book which contains information about Iran's mammals.

The book was compiled by a Dr. Esmail Etemad. It is the third volume of the series, پستانداران ایران  

It was published by Iran's "Organization for Preserving Wildlife",

سازمان حفاظت محیط زیست  

It was given to me by the only Iranian I have ever met who had any interest at all in Iranian wildlife. I'd better point out here that he had no respect from other Iranians, who viewed him and his activities as a waste of time - but I have a great deal of respect for him, because it was through him that I was able to see a side of Iran - its wilderness and the Golestan National Park - that no other Iranian ever showed me.

I'm no expert, but just checking the scientific names of all of the species being discussed in the book, I'm having a bit of trouble locating a single species that is named for an Iranian discoverer; once again, it looks as if most or all of Iran's species of bats was discovered and studied by foreigners. I can't seem to find any Iranian names.

And there on the page is a picture of a bat specimen from Iran, but preserved in the British Museum.

Once again, its the evil British Museum, "stealing" Iran's treasures.

No, actually its the British Museum doing the job that Iranians should have done - studying their own country's animals.

Someone has to do it.

.... and if not the unconcerned, too-important, strutting know-it-all Iranians ....

.... why not the exploratory British?

Why didn't Iranians discover and study their own mammals?

Dumb Iranians.

You have no reason to complain if you flunk your own test, and someone else passes it.

You're too stuck up, self-important and arrogant to study your own wildlife - foreigners beat you to it.

... and now you look like idiots.

Deal with it.

Balatarin
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Yes, I know the individual you're speaking of - the one who wanted to study entemology, but his dumb uncle said: "Mageh mikhahi tamam omret be kooneh pashe negah koni? Boro mohandesi bekhoon. Boro pharmacy bekhoon", or some such sh-t.

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Excellent question!! 

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How did the mindset come about?

If you find an answer to this question, I think, you will be very surprise. How did Iranians came to be like this?

I bet you do not know this but once you find out you will become more politically educated. And do not brag about this is nothing to do with politics.

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Iran is a stricter country or place in comparison to America.

by Mohammad Ala on Mon Oct 17, 2011 06:15 AM PDT

Iran is a stricter country or place in comparison to America.  Some of your frustration is because of it.  There are many countries that are stricter than Iran and their students do better than American students.  With all the resources available in America, students fail big time in world wide competitions.

You should be happy to find a place such as Iranian.com to freely vent your frustration about your strict upbringing.  For reality check, please take a moment to visit Western museums or pick up a Persian authored book, e.g., a book of poems to understand the extent of authors’ experiments with real world. 

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I knew it

by Cost-of-Progress on Mon Oct 17, 2011 04:30 AM PDT

I was going to totally ignore your hateful arse, but, 

You say:

"I've had to deal with their sh-t since I was a kid. Now its payback time." 

The above statement says a lot - "payback"?

Did you ever grow up?

Sure we have a lot of faults, who doesn't? I don't know what hole your half Iranian relatives crawled out of, but know that your experince with them does not condemn an entire nation. 

The only question is what are you going to do about these "shortcomings". Coming here day after day and posting negative remarks about Iranians, is not the answer.

Are you familiar with the saying: "toaf-e sar balaa"? If you spit up in the air, it lands on your own face.

Like I said before, get help man, at this point, a therapist and tell him/her all about your "experience" with big bad Persians.

You might even become fay, I say famous!  

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Yes, it is about Iranians

by Iranian for Aryans on Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:17 AM PDT

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Mr. Khalili is correct. The British and other intrepid Whites didn't steal Iran's past or it's floral and faunal inhabitants. Quite the contrary, they brought Iran's heritage and biodiversity to the world scene.

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No, Its About Iranians

by JahanKhalili on Sun Oct 16, 2011 02:43 PM PDT

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bye

by maziar 58 on Sun Oct 16, 2011 02:40 PM PDT

for now.

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I'm Only Putting Them Down Because They're Guilty

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I've had to deal with their sh-t since I was a kid.

Now its payback time. 


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Sure, We're Talking About Peoples

by JahanKhalili on Sun Oct 16, 2011 02:34 PM PDT

Iranians have a regime inside their heads that prevents them from doing things like discovering their own animal species.


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kababi

by maziar 58 on Sun Oct 16, 2011 02:31 PM PDT

what regime you're talking about ?

we were talking about PEOPLES

you putting them DOWN by your reasonings and me or us trying to tell you the opposite.

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Haha, You Guys ALL Know What I'm Talking About

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You all know, because you have also lived under that biggest Iranian regime of all: the unelected Iranian regime of Know-It-Alls that exists right in your own house.


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Maziar

by darius on Sun Oct 16, 2011 02:08 PM PDT

I was just  being sarcastic . 


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shame

by maziar 58 on Sun Oct 16, 2011 01:52 PM PDT

on you darius

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Sure Ari

by JahanKhalili on Sun Oct 16, 2011 02:09 PM PDT

Point well taken, but when dealing with Iranians unfortunately one must use their own tools.

I'd rather not even deal with them at times, but what can I do? I can't escape from them because half of my relatives are Iranian. 

The person who compiled the information in the book - Dr. Esmail Etemad - is not my role model.

I don't want any.

Iranians seem to miss a vital ingredient in scientific research - and that is that knowledge doesn't have to come from some authority or have the official recognition of public opinion or some important person; You can learn about something yourself, directly, using your own five senses - and merely to satisfy your own curiousity.

Iranians act like you have to get permission from them or care about their stupid social ladder, or else you're wasting your time. 


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Shaming= Iranian style criticism

by Ari Siletz on Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:47 PM PDT


Your points are well taken. And in keeping with your Iranian background you too are expert at scoring points when it comes to finding fault with the Iranian traditional mindset.  Yet as you correctly state,  "The word "taghlid" ("emulation") is a familiar word..." Your discourse repeats much that we have already said about ourselves at length. To add value to your criticisms, I recommend focusing on the following:

1. How did the traditional mindset come about?

2. What steps can we take to change what we don't like about ourselves, while keeping what we do like?

On question #2, experience has already shown that shaming doesn't work. So, as a scientist, how would your role model Dr. Esmail Etemad proceed?


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useless Iranian!

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The only way to put an  end  to  this misery is to anihillate uselss Iranian.

Drop the bomb now or tomorrow is too late. 


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