As anyone who has dealt with racist bigots could tell you, the facts are meaningless to these people. An essentially irrational feeling (racism, bigotry, supremacism of all kinds), born from irrational fears becomes elevated to the status of "fact" using flimsiest of excuses.
A black candidate could be simply mentioned in the same sentence as "terrorism" and that is taken as proven fact that he's a terrorist. It's not rational, it's an excuse. McCain, Bush or even Clinton aren't held to the same standards. And that's really the mark of a bigot: holding different standards, putting one group of people above another, and when called on it give BS excuses.
I applaud Al Jazeera who finally figured out that all you have to do is use a white, sympathetic looking reporter to get people to talk about the racist core.
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I didn't misspell "thoink"
by Bystander (not verified) on Tue Oct 21, 2008 02:52 PM PDTI MISTYPED IT - Hahahaha. It was a slip of the finger but as for grammEr??
OK on a serious note, did you say Mrs Foster? Oh, you mean "that" Mrs Foster (of first grade fame): //www.incaonline.org/academics/elementary/1.h...
That's not good enough I am afraid. How about trying Mrs Potter of 8th grade for an opinion? //www.incaonline.org/academics/jrhigh/team.ht...
(LMAO...)
But no, seriously Mrs freckle-faced Irooni-turned-Emrikaaee, I am not insulting Iranian ladies, my beef is with the Irooni ladies turned Emrikaaee (of which there are many present on this blog :))
And you are NOT the only Irooni lady with freckles all over her. You are the only Irooni-Emrikaaee with freckles from top to bottom ;)
BTW, M... I am not the one you two think I am :->
Dear Bystander
by News Goffer on Tue Oct 21, 2008 02:39 PM PDTBaba Jan, let it go! You have interrupted and disrupted a dialogue to keep repeating something which isn't accurate, and it doesn't reflect well on you my friend. Let me share what I have learned from just reading these people's comments on different threads. I hope this makes it easy for you.
American Wife is really an American woman, married to an Iranian American who is also an active member of the site, not sure which one.
Skatermom, a.k.a. Desi, is an Iranian American woman (I know she has talked about the fact that one of her parents is a Mashadi, but can't remember where in Iran her other half is from).
IRANdokht is an Iranian American woman.
Kaveh is an Iranian American man.
No amount of Moch-giri is going to turn American Wife into an Iranian, I'm afraid. Just give it up and let us all move on.
Could it be that you are picking on these users because you don't like their liberal political views? Ummmm...don't answer that Bystander. Really, just as these users' ethnic and national origins don't and shouldn't matter, your and their political views shouldn't matter, either.
Please live and let live. Thanks.
Dear American wife
by IRANdokht on Tue Oct 21, 2008 02:25 PM PDTmaybe bystander is not irooni cuz I don't know any irani or irooni who would spell it like that! ;-)
wasn't he just insulting iranians before...
IRANdokht
PS: your response and Kaveh's aksent made me almost choke on my tacos. you guys are baaaaaaad lol
AW....
by Kaveh Nouraee on Tue Oct 21, 2008 01:53 PM PDTDees eez vaat happens ven you esstay in de essun for too long time. You vind up veet fereckels on your esskin.
So what category do you prefer...."Iranian with freckles" or "olive Irish"? I thoink I prefer "olive Irish". "Iranian with freckles" sounds like there's some kind of inherent flaw.....like "Paykan that runs" :-)
Personally, I keep my can of whup ass in my glove box......next to my Stuart Smalley self-help CDs.
I am utterly embarrased!
by American Wife on Tue Oct 21, 2008 01:21 PM PDTCrazy, weird and strange dude was RIGHT. I misspelt grammar! And I was an English major. This is not acceptable. I am humiliated beyond words. I won't make any pathetic excuses like I was busting my butt to get the post out before my boss got back. I will not allow myself even the smallest margin of error. I have failed my fellow countrymen and the learned on Iranian.com. I stand before you in abject misery begging your forgiveness.
Please, PLEASE, forgive me.
ps. I did "thoink" about my sentence. I checked with Mrs. Foster, my freshman year professor and she's ok with it....:-)
pss. It would be "I WILL let you thoink about it".
psss. Are people still using ROFL? I thought that went out years ago by adults. It is so... cute.
M... what exactly is an "irnnoni"? Is our strange little friend insulting the lovely ladies of Iran?
Where is my can of whup ass?
pssss. I must be the only Iranian lady with freckles from top to bottom.....LOL
bystander
by IRANdokht on Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:48 AM PDTyou have no idea how funny you sound to someone who's already met AW LOL
thanks for the chuckle
IRANdokht
American Wifey joon
by IRANdokht on Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:45 AM PDTI just wanted to say that I love reading your comments! You touched on all the subjects, explained the issues well and clear, showed real positive attitude and good humor too.
you must have a lot of time at work LOL
Thanks for explaining the race issue in this race so well (see I did use the word twice ;-)
I think you're right about our buddy having come back to haunt you ;-)
IRANdokht
Hamsar Emrikaaee (aka American Wife)
by Bystander (not verified) on Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:29 AM PDT(ROTFL) "It's a matter of grammer my dear". You bet it is deary but your spell checker is too Irooni to detect your poor spelling (not merely your typos): it is GrammAr my dear and not GrammER!!...LOL. A typical Irooni error and a give away. AND talking about grammar sweet lady, don't you think there is something missing in this sentence: "To be thought skatermoms alter ego is fine by me! "? I let you thoink about it ...lol.
American grammar is funny enough let alone when used by Irnnoni wives posing as Emrikaaee.
Oh, and one last thing; never mind about my thought processes. I never expected you to fathom that!
Tudaloo!
AW
by Kaveh Nouraee on Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:59 AM PDTThank you!!
If you want to sound like Rosie, you have to post bizarre references to things that are completely unrelated. Make sure you do it in iambic pentameter...for authenicity. :)
If you tell your man to get one for himself while he's up.....he'll fetch the beer and take out the garbage while he's at it.....we're all chumps like that. LOL
IRANdokht
by Kaveh Nouraee on Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:55 AM PDTI'm not upset. I actually think it's funny (both the ha-ha kind and the bizarre kind) that it's so one-sided, and that when the truth is being raised, some people want to live in denial.
Democrats.....talk the talk, but can't walk the walk.
Happy Birthday to me.......
:)
Kaveh!
by American Wife on Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:51 AM PDTSorry people... I know I said I was leaving (sounded a little like Rosie there for a minute, didn't I...:-0
I just had to come back after I saw IRANdokht's comment.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DUDE! My man and I wish you many many more. He's mad at ME because HE'S the football widower this year....lol. I decided not to push my luck and ask him to fetch me beer.
Have a happy day!
Bijan
by American Wife on Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:46 AM PDTDamn... for a minute I thought you "got" it. It is pointless to argue with a woman! And when you get a couple like our dear IRANdokht and Nazanin, you're fighting a losing battle! Now that Desi is a registered user, you might as well give up! :-)
Ok... I'm joking! I hope you know that. I'm just trying to interject a little light heartedness. The campaign itself has been nasty enough. We don't need to emulate the nasty people (on both sides!!!) who taunt and spew their venom and hatred.
My opinion? This election (I almost said "race"...LOL) is not ABOUT race. Race has become a factor. IF Obama loses, it will not be BECAUSE he is black. It will be, as ID said, because the election is rigged, just as it was in Florida in 2004. If he wins (praise the Lord!), it will be because he has been deemed the most qualified to lead our country into recovery, not BECAUSE he is black.
Of course race and racism are part of this process! This is America for God's sake. Born and raised in the South, I can assure you it's part of the fabric of every person in the world. It exists everywhere and in everyone. It's to the degree you let it determine your beliefs that matters. There are those who are going to vote for Obama because he's black. There are those who are NOT going to vote for him because he's black. And there are those who would have never EVER thought they would vote for a woman or a black man that are going to vote for Obama. There are conservative blacks (yes my friends, this is true) that are going to vote for McCain.
Discuss the economy or the health plan of each candidate. Why we're spending so much time and energy discussing an obvious fact is beyond me.
You're right about respecting one another. I respect that as an intelligent person that you are going to make your decision based on your beliefs and expectations (did I say this to you somewhere else? It sounded so good I thought I'd use it again...:-)
Ok... enough pontificating for the day. I need to get SOMETHING done today. But as Awnald says.... I'll be baak.
Have a lovely!
Kaveh
by IRANdokht on Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:30 AM PDTInstead of getting all upset on your birthday just watch this clip and smile:
//www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/188872/october-20-2008/colin-powell-endorses-barack-obama
Happy birthday!
:0)
IRANdokht
Desi!
by American Wife on Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:24 AM PDTCongratulations.... so glad to have you here and registered. Now I feel like I actually know you!
Bystander... first of all let me thank you for the compliment. To be thought skatermoms alter ego is fine by me! She's one of the coolest chicks around. And I am honored to be considered a peer of IRANdokht and Nazanin... truly the finest of Iranian khanooms.
The correct term is "having your cake and eating it too" or "have your cake and eat it too". It's a matter of grammer my dear, an area in which you have already proven to be quite deficient. It is used less as "having two incompatible things" and more to describe someone who wants it all.
Now that we've cleared that up, I seriously doubt there is anyway you could enlighten me in understanding anything regarding Catholicism. Perhaps I misunderstood you. Your thought process is so erratic and nonsensical that I mistook your meaning.
M... does this guy sound familiar to you? How sad that someone is so intimidated by intelligent women that he has to recreate himself, don't you agree?
IRANdokht
by Kaveh Nouraee on Tue Oct 21, 2008 09:55 AM PDTThe issue of race in this election certainly is not my idea.
The question of race playing a factor in General Powell's endorsement was originally raised on Meet The Press on NBC, when his endorsement was first announced. Naturally, the general handled the issue with the class he is known for having. If you wish to project your displeasure with the race issue potentially downplaying what you consider to be a wise choice, project it at NBC, or Tom Brokaw specifically.
What I'm finding very puzzling and sickening is the fact that if McCain supporters consider race as a voting booth factor its considered racism, but if Obama supporters do so it's barely mentioned. In any instance, it's wrong. But it still merits discussion because it's an element that's clearly out there.
Can you come up with a valid explanation as to why it's acceptable only for the Democrats to use race this way? The Democrats are pandering to a group of people who are equally as disconnected and uninformed as the McCain supporters shown in the Al Jazeera video, and they are doing it shamelessly and blatantly. Can you explain why that is being downplayed into virtual non-existence?
Desi
by IRANdokht on Tue Oct 21, 2008 09:34 AM PDTMaybe McCain campaign knows that the number of people that would vote only based on islamophobia is worth not mentioning the muslim supporters? They have even divided the country into the "real America" and non-americans, so telling those folks that they actually are getting muslim votes (and iranians by the way) could cost them.
As for the link, after you paste it in the text box, hit return immediately, if it does not change into a link automatically, highlight it and click on the link icon below and assign it. Don't worry, you'll learn ;-)
IRANdokht
Ladies....
by Bijan A M on Tue Oct 21, 2008 09:11 AM PDTI rest my case…..
I give it to you guys…. You are the masters of “maghlateh” and “safsafeh”. There will never be any argument that you would lose…..
Long live Obama…..!!!!!!, Long live his mentor. Like he said: “God Damn America”.
We have to learn a lesson in integrity from our master. Dump your mentor, your teacher, and everyone who made you who you are, if they stand in your way to your ambitions. Break any promise if it will slow you down or by any chance might jeopardize your journey.
Sarcasm aside, as long as you show respect for the system of democracy that you are enjoying so much, and don’t take it for granted, your comments won’t be insulting.
With all due respects
Bijan
Irandokht, How did you do
by desi on Tue Oct 21, 2008 07:44 AM PDTIrandokht, How did you do that? Cutting and pasting didn't work for me. Is there some secret?
My point with this link-Why doesn't the Mccain campaign use these footages to try and debunk the accusations hurled at them? This would have been perfect to show how varied their base is. Instead they seem to revel in the stereotypes.
Irandokht
by Nazanin Ghasemian on Tue Oct 21, 2008 07:30 AM PDTThis site is absolute comedy sometimes, especially when it comes to serious topics. I love it. Here you nicely answer Bijan's question and he responds with a mistranslation of what he wishes you had said. B said:
"If your candidate wins, it is democracy and fair election, otherwise it is rigged by a bunch of racists, blood sucker millionaires…."
Why bother asking the question if our answers are beyond your consideration Bijan?
Desi
by IRANdokht on Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:18 PM PDT//newsproject.org/
That was a good link, now I am sure you're the one and only skatermom ;-)
IRANdokht
here's me getting real Bijan khan
by IRANdokht on Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:14 PM PDTI just replied to you: I'd say it was rigged. Why? Nazanin explained it well. As you said it yourself it'd be unlikely, obviously based on the number of high ranking military commanders and republicans supporting Obama, and the large gap in the lead shown by the polls. So you tell me why would Obama not win?
The additional words you added to my previous response were all yours. You are the one who is judging what I am saying based on your own thoughts and words. All I meant was that it's unlikely, just as you did.
IRANdokht
I'm trying this
by desi on Mon Oct 20, 2008 08:54 PM PDTI'm trying this again
//newsproject.org/
Sorry my link looks like
by desi on Mon Oct 20, 2008 08:22 PM PDTSorry my link looks like that. I need to get used to this new format.
Another point about race fixation
by Nazanin Ghasemian on Mon Oct 20, 2008 08:19 PM PDTI think the fixation on race and racism by the people in this video and elsewhere is meant to distract people from the boloney McCain has been up to all these years. He was a media darling and a Vietnam POW turned Maverick (aka traitor in the Republican party). Sorry, but when it takes an e-mail from Bob Dole to kick start and legitimize McCain's campaign, he's got massive problems.
If McCain and Palin win, despite the consistent polling gap between the parties, it would definitely be fishy. Race is the most prominent issue that comes to mind, but people have been attacking Obama for other reasons too, like his name. But no matter what, Obama has lead an inspirational, historic campaign even without yet winning the election. That's enough to cheer about for me. But hopefully, McCain/Palin will be left to us as footnotes.
Thanks Irandokht,
by Bijan A M on Mon Oct 20, 2008 08:01 PM PDTI got it…..
If your candidate wins, it is democracy and fair election, otherwise it is rigged by a bunch of racists, blood sucker millionaires….
Get real lady…just listen to yourself…can’t you hear your own self-rightiousness?
It will be really interesting to see your posts on this site, six months from now (either way, Obama or McCain)
Bijan A M
by Nazanin Ghasemian on Mon Oct 20, 2008 08:01 PM PDTThe subject of the blog is the segment who is OPENLY racist. It's not for me to decide whether racist voting will cause Obama to lose. But I think based on such people, it's possible for others to share those views but not show it.
Also, why are you cornering me and Irandokht to "admit" something to you? I've noticed this trend on iranian.com. When people don't agree on a topic, it's acceptable to target an opponent personally. I already wrote you that you're entitled to your opinion. I just don't agree with it. Peace.
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by Nazanin Ghasemian on Mon Oct 20, 2008 07:57 PM PDT.
DESI!!!!
by IRANdokht on Mon Oct 20, 2008 07:45 PM PDTIt's about time girl!!! :0) Welcome to the registered world where you do not have to do math so many times a day ;-)
Don't bother with bystander. He has no clue and he's ROFL'ing right off his chair. Calling T not american was so funny even I fell off my chair too!
Bijan AM: If Obama doesn't win, I will say exactly what I said the last two election: it was rigged!
IRANdokht
bystander, huh? I just
by desi on Mon Oct 20, 2008 06:55 PM PDTbystander, huh?
I just became a registered user yay!! AW and I are not one in the same. She's actually a hell of a lot more articulate then I am. I can't for the life of me figure out what you're trying to convey. All I got was Catholic, Irooni, Emrikaee, googling and I think I was just called "honey". I'm not sure I'm following your thought process. Frankly it seems a little erratic and all over the map. It could be that your fall was a little more serious than you think. desi/aka skatermom
Nazannin & Irandokht
by Bijan A M on Mon Oct 20, 2008 06:45 PM PDTFor once in your lives, please speak only from one side of your mouths and answer this question in all honesty. In the very unlikely event that Obama loses this election, wouldn’t you call more than half of the nation racists?