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Shia defies common sense

Before getting too sentimental about Ashura, one should study the legitamacy of Shia.  There is no mention of 12 Imams in Quoran or any hadith from Muhammad prior to the single and questionable appointment of Ghadir-e-Khom. How can Qoran neglect to mention the important question that left unresloved has lead to many wars and millions of deaths and weakening of Islamic unity. We have verses in Qoran that advises Muhammad's wife not to get jealous if he is sleeping more times with some of them than others. We have verses advising Muslims not to drop by Muhammad's house unannounced.  And yet , god almighty chose to leave this question unadressed so millions be killed in interfighting and billions  of damage. Alo, it has left 90% of muslims to end up in hell because they cannot decide whether Shia claims are eright.

The Blood of Johnny come latelys, or Shia as late accompaniers

of Islam.

Accordign to Ibrahim Mahmoud in "Merchant Capital and Islam," the original, early core of Islam were mainly the Mecca merchant class. Consequently new terretories also brought new layers of 'belivers,' and since they were not from the original, early merchant class, though all were considered muslims, some were more muslim than others, especially as it related to issues of leadership and khalfat.

This entire Shiaian episode in one sense, is nothing but an internal fight over the spoils of Jahad. Your guarantee for social mobility in the Islamic empire.

Add to this the fact that Hossain personally participated in many slaughtering of Iranians, and there are quotes by him about killing all the Ajamis, and taking their wives,...Only a schiziophrenic mind could elevate such a sorry figure and character into sainthood.

For a critical look as shia, perhaps some Kasravi  would a good start. 

زنگ انشا

صلح حسن بهتر است یا جنگ حسین؟

"عباراتی از قبیل (یکی‌ مستلزم دیگری بود) یا (بدون صلح حسن و جنگ حسین،
امروز اسلام وجود نداشت) تکراری و تقلب محسوب میشود..........

I want only the author of the blog to respond, if he wishes.

Mind boggling

that anyone would take this Imam Hossein business seriously. Assume for a minute that he did marry an Iranian woman. Do you think it was by choice? Are you crazy! Their idea marriage was legal rape. 

As others have said the whole thing was a fight between two invading factions. Both were our enemies one won the other did not. Who cares or should care anyway. Safavids beat this *** in peoples head. Initially people were pretending for buy it. 

Over time it got accepted. Specially because Mollahs had a monopoly on teaching. Feeding this garbage to people. Not knowing better they went for it; now due to  information technology it is up. Thank goodness!

salman, the traitor of Persia

FYI, Harvard has different departments, with different faculty for history and divinity. Sorry, they are not the same:

//history.fas.harvard.edu/

//www.hds.harvard.edu/

btw, Salman Parsee was a traitor to Iranians.

He killed Iranians during the invasion of Persia by Islamic armies:

//www.hankh.ir/?p=2735

Salman Farsi

If you truly stand up for Iran and Iranians you will change back your avatar to Rouzbeh
(Persion name of Salman before becoming an Arab Worshiper and a
traitor). Arab #2 was part of the family of that Charlatan Child-molster (Mohamad). He was in service of spreading Arab Islam (just like the others). Yes he married/raped Sharbanou who was a SLAVE, and you want Iranians to be proud of THIS?

The faith of Iranians has nothing to do with Arab Islam and
Savages who have imposed it on Iranians by force for over 1400 years.

Salman

First, you forgot to mention that it was the other dominant branch of Islam in Arabia that killed these folks, not the Jews, not the Christians and certainly not the Zoroastrians.

Secondly, your glorification of their "sacrifices" and mordeh-parasti contributes greatly to the khoraafaat and other misuses of these events by the current Mullahs in Iran.  Hussain as the blood of god?  Give us a break and let them rest in peace.

Instead of all these glorifications, you all can start talking about how you can drag Islam out of the 7th century and introduce it to the charter of the human rights, to begin with.  Or, watch it get burried in cemetary of the history.

Brother salman says: "Shia Islam has Perisan;kiani roots"

brother salman joon, is begining to sound just too much like "doctor" ahmadinezhad joon. He might even have cyrus's cylinder as his avatar soon! Not surprising, as both salman joon and "doctor" joon seem to be following the Hojjatieh society. and both are just too frightened  to admit it :)  

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Iranfirst

If you were truly standing up to your name you should have known that Arab #2 was closely related to Iran and Iranians and he was not after power. I suggest brother to change your avatar to Iranlast as you don't know the first  thing about the history and the faith of your country.

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Brother fesenjoon number 2

Islamic theology is inseperable from the Islamic history but not vice versa. I said it and you proved me right, You are neither a theologian nor and historain and obviosuly not an Isamic student. Go argue your point with the faculty of Divnity at Harvard and Penn Uni brother.

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Iranfirst, you are 100% correct!

Two Ayrabs' conflict being ideological, economical, tribal, or sexual should not be any business or concern of Iranians!

salman

standards in howzeh Elmieh are not the same as those of the academic world.

You cannot teach advanced history courses with a PhD in theology, in many western universities. A PhD in theology for example doesnt know about the methodology used by historians such as counterfactual history, global history, and the advantages and drawbacks of historical fragmentation. A PhD in theology for example wouldnt know squat about techniques such as Carbon-14 dating analysis (used to date archeological evidence, such as tomb artifacts). 

In your world, "agha" (Imam Khamenei) has more knowledge in history, science, literature, religion, ....than an academically trained PhD. 

Why Should IRANIANS care ?

Arab # 1 (Yazid) had the power

Arab # 2 (Hossein) wanted the power

Arab #1 (Yazid) had a larger Army

Arab #2 (Hosseion) had a small army

Arab #2 (Hossein) was stupid enough to go to fight against larger army of Arab #1 (Yazid).

Arab # 2 (Hossein) paid for his stupidity and his head was chopped off

Some Iranians, still cry for stupidity of Arab #2 (Hossein) 1400 years later. Even though both Arab #1 abd Arab #2, and their decendents killed and enslaved many Iranians and Imposed their Arab cult of Islam on Iranians

Ph. D in Theology

In my opinion they should not even have such a thing. What does Ph.D in BS-ology mean anyway? Mythology: fine; but anyone who seriously believes this is going aginst all scientific principles. 

Give me one reason why Allah is more credible than Odin? What makes one more real. Why not Zeus. 

Oon Yaroo

The problem with double cheeseburger is not the taste. It is the stuff that is generated after you eat it. I avoid it as a courtesy to those around me so I don't suffocate them with gas later on.

Salman

I am proving Shia is a twisted hodgepodge of Islam; Zoroastrian and Jewish myths. That is no secret to people who study it without bias. Once again it is "Ashe Shole Galamkar". It gets none of them right.

VPK You are proving my point

even if what you say be correct (which is not) it proves that Shiism is a Persian version of Islam and a Kiani one. Can't you see it brother? 

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Getting a Ph.D. in Persian Lit and a Ph.D. in Islamic Theo is ..

like a getting a double cheeseburger! Specially after the 1979 AnGholab, you can't tell the difference between the two!

Both taste, smell, and feel the same!

Sorry brothers bust aHarvard scholar of Islam says it all

Brother fesenjoon

If you had an ounce of Islamic literacy you would have known that a theologian in Islam cannot be a theologian without knowing the authentic history of his faith as well as its language.  Mhadavi Damghani is a master of both and you have demonstrated that you know not the definition of a historian either brother. 

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Well Salman

I see that AO & Fesenjoon have already responded correctly to you. They got it basically all right. One thing is that Iman Zaman is just the translation of Sayosant. Nothing in Shia is real or original. It is a pile of made up stuff. 

It was pushed on Iranians by Safavids at the point of the sword. It managed to hold on because of ignorance. But now with internet and free access the myths are debunked. Before long the whole thing will be totally discredited and out.

Mythology has a place but Shia is not even good mythology. As I said before I far prefer Greek or Norse ones. They are more fun; less misery and whining. Taking mythology as fact is plain out nonsense.

wrong again

His 2nd PhD is in Islamic Theology. Not History of Islam.

//fore.research.yale.edu/archivedconferencefiles/bio_damghani.html

Sorry, but he's not a historian. 

He's basically an academic akhond. 

Mahdavi Damghani has two PhDs

His second PhD is in history of Islam.

Read first write next. If his expertise was not credible he was not invited by Harvard School of Divinity to teach since 1987.  

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AO, Islam itself is a pagan Arab religion!

Allah or Al-ilah (the pagan Moon-God from pre-Islamic Arabia) is what muslims pray to when they face Kaaba 5 times a day. 

//aryamehr11.blogspot.com/2006/06/allah-arab-moon-god.html

If their entire religion is a fraud cheap copy of ancient Arab paganism, then we shouldnt expect Imam Hosein's wife to be real either. 

Iranica is not inclusive and is biased

It makes no mention of Professor Mahdavi-Damghani's research. This is called biased and I am sorry to say Yarshater has allowed hs Bahaii biased to influence his choice of sources.

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He was also a fierce anti-Iranian racist Arab

Ahmad Mahdavi is a nobody

Ahmad Mahdavi Damghani is not even a historian. His PhD is in literature.

His claims about Shahrbanu being real are not accepted by any of the western academic historians.

Encyclopedia Iranica has 300 authors.  

Brother CRITIC

My Farsi writer wrote your name the way it wrote. No offece intended (unlike your poem that was offensive). 

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The whole Ashura thing is so laughable--it's a cheap copy of

ancient Persian mythology, namley, Siavashun, as it was called and mourned by Iranians.  Siavash is replaced by Hussain with a few minor character and detail changes here and there:

The news of Afrasiyab's warlike preparations satisfied the mind of Siâvash that Garsivaz had given him good advice. Siâvash and his followers, did not fight with the large army opposing them. All of Siâvash's men were killed and beheaded. Women were taken as slave girls and prisoners to Kiman.

In the meantime Afrasiab came up, and surrounding him, wanted to shoot Siâvash with an arrow, but he was restrained from the act. Siâvash himself was beheaded. His death is commemorated by some Persians, especially in Shiraz, in the day called Siavashun.

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siy%C3%A2vash

Sounds familiar? 

His holy libido!

Imam Hosaaaaaaaayn had no less than 6 wives:

//www.andisheqom.com/Files/faq.php?level=4&id=4322&urlId=829

Lets not mention the mistresses (kaneez). 

From what I know, salman f.

either way you spell it, there's only one Shabanou.

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