In the name of God, most gracious, most merciful.
Man Irani hastam, lets make that clear before I go on.
After the election date, when Ahmadinejad was declared winner, to the happiness and sadness of many. We the Mousavi supporters defended our rights of appeal, we asked for our votes, we asked for justice, we were met with attacks, both reasonable and unreasonable by the authorities.
We demanded our rights be respected, our votes be counted and that mousavi be given a fair chance, alas to no avail.
Then came ashura, the day you padishahi, exile diaspora, who know nothing about iranians, who know nothing about Islam, who know nothing about respect, ruined everything.
by what right and what logic did you think it neccesary to burn a Qor'an and Hosseiniye? did you expect the muslim population and mousavi supporters to cheer you on?
by what logic was Burning the imams photo considered normal? did you expect to get support? all you did was diminish the support the green movement had even more.
by what logic do you exiles consider yourselves iranians when you are the first to embrace american culture ? apart from your names what proof is there you are Iranians? or Muslims for that fact and reresentative of a Muslim country?
by what logic did you think attacking holy figures would further the cause of the Green movement? have you no shame?
by what logic do you extreme minorites, who consider american culture vastly superior to iranian, dare to to commit treason against the country by advocating invasion against iran and expect to gain support for it? who think iranians in iran are just like you when in fact the vast vast majority are completely divorced of you, who thinks the average iranian talks about how great america is, what kind of perfume or eu du toilette to wear, when in actual fact the average iranians dreams is to visit the holy shrine of the prophet, peace be upon him and his wonderful family, and the shrine of Imam reza, peace be upon him.
How on earth can you padishahis, liberal american lovers and the rest consider yourself representative of iranians? if that were not the case would it not be equally logical to assume the IRI would have dissapeared a long time ago and we would be living in a Beverly hills type american outpost by now?
In short, you exiles and you minority in Iran, whos selfish attitudes, whos attacks on Islam, whos desecration of all that is sacred, whos utter perversion of morality, have destroyed any chance of us getting to reform the system and make things easier for the people.
Do Iranians a favour and stay far away in the USA, keep changing your names to english ones like david, adam, john or oscar and then hypocritically talk about how you are defending persian culture, oh the hypocrisy.
Iranians love islam, Iranians love the Qor'an, if you want change then thats a reality you have to accept, not the reality of a bunch of gullible teenagers and exiles who only want to get their money grubbing hands back into iran.
Peace be upon you, maybe next time you will stay out of the affairs of the nation so that maybe we can have a chance at change, for now we are stuck with Ahmadi.
salam
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Iranvataneman
by shahanshahesmail on Sun Apr 18, 2010 03:49 PM PDTI wouldnt attempt to debate with such people my friend. Next they will call you an arab or a basij , be careful.
Deaf , dumb and blind .They are void of wisdom.
excellent article's btw.
BTW, put yourself in someone elses shoes.
by iranvataneman on Sun Apr 18, 2010 03:44 PM PDTSince you love monarchy so much, why don't you go live as a worker in India, and take part in their working class. Now tell me, after your experience in a nation that practices monarchy or some kind fo caste system, tell me if you can survive and enjoy your everyday life, knowing someone above your head, is at a higher position than you by birth and oppurtunistic reasons that defy one's democratic right to establish a career for themselves. While this person is making you break rocks in the hot sun for 18 hours a day, in a horrible enviroment, with terrible living standards, tell me if you would enjoy monarchy then?? Till then, keep living in a delusional dream world.
It's funny how you can't support logical support for monarchy
by iranvataneman on Sun Apr 18, 2010 03:41 PM PDTYou support and stand with monarchy, yet on my article, you were not able to refute any of the things I said. Why?? Because this is what I wanted to see, I wanted to show you why monarchy is an utter fail, if it was successful why was it overthrown?? You see, this shows why you are delusional and simply illogical to say the least. If it's overthrown logically most people would be opposed to it, which they are, otherwise why would 50 million people throw it out of the country?? So you and your 1 million can continue living in a delusional dream land, since monarchy no longer exists in Iran, and will never ever return.
Seems the IRI Gang are getting sleepless nights lately ...
by Darius Kadivar on Sun Apr 18, 2010 03:36 PM PDTFunny how the Irrelevant Monarchy is becoming such a major issue for you Fellows lately ...
//iranian.com/main/blog/iranvataneman/why-support-monarchy-if-facts-are-against-it
Or is it to become a Reality before You Go back to Sleep ?
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z6zEHG_qQU
Hee Hee
Calm down Fellows All that is waiting for you is Banishment to Gaza !
You have friends there so it shouldn't be too Boring ...
LOL
Samsam
by iranvataneman on Sun Apr 18, 2010 03:16 PM PDTSamsam, it seems you if anything are the one that is not Iranian. You don't live in Iran, bad mouth its people, its culture, its religion and everything else.
Not to mention, since culture and politics are part of religion, you indirectly attack both the culture and politics of the Iranian people.
In this context, you are not an Iranian :)
samsam
by shahanshahesmail on Sun Apr 18, 2010 02:52 PM PDTDo not even attempt to argue about with the qor'an with me , I will beat you at it. If you knew anything about it then you would know the term "Nation of the believers"
IF you wish to be selective in your quotes then be so . An iranian is a person who is from iran where the majority faith is islam.
I do not care what a cyrus flag bearer says about islam , their views are as warped as their assumption that the IRI will fall tommorow.
You want to quote qor'an for me? I can do the same
"You, O community of Muhammad (s), are the best community brought forth, manifested, to men, according to God’s knowledge, enjoining decency, and forbidding indecency, and believing in God. Had the People of the Scripture believed, it, their belief, would have been better for them; some of them are believers, such as ‘Abd Allāh b. Salām, may God be pleased with him and his companions; but most of them, the disbelievers, are wicked." - 3:110
now go and do more homework samsam , quickly his eminence is calling you!
unlike you samsam , I do not divide myself from the rest of the muslims , I am an iranian , I have studied the qor'an far more than you have I assure you.
I know how much it must hurt to realize that iranians are muslims and that the majority dont subscribe to your way of thinking.
btw to save you your trouble later on , I am a basij , IRI apologist , Ommati , rapist , torturer and murderer ;)
good day
re;samsam
by SamSamIIII on Sun Apr 18, 2010 01:44 PM PDTsamsam , ..... what muslim is a muslim who does not want a islamic ommah?
1st off, Sir, do not argue with me since in doing so you only make it easy for me to prove your insincere hypocracy about your claime to Iranianness in this statement you made earlier;
Man Irani hastam, lets make that clear before I go on
So which is it now, are you an Ommatie or an Iranian first? you sure seem confused as which way you coming or going while preaching others about their identity crisis. ;:)
Then you say this;
who does not want an islamic ommah? would you rather be seperated and divided into tribes ? you even
2nd off, its the God of the religion you claime to practice who says so in this;
Hajarat S 24 "Yaa ayohal naas enna khalaghnakom men zakeran va onsa va jaalnakom shouban va ghabaela leteaarefoo en akramakom endallahe atgiakom.."
people we created you of men & women and different groups and different tribes and nations to get to know each other and enjoy diversity....."
So who are you to argue with his divine words. If he saw fit he would have created us all as one creed & one breed. I,m afraid you are neither an Iranian or a Muslim but an Ommatie in love with bedoin icons. come back another day .
Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia
Such a butler navaz shahbanoo
by capt_ayhab on Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:56 PM PDTChesmhaye Shah monavar .
Oh And the Shahbanou Danced with the Butler I suppose ? ...
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VfuRaSQn2E
-YT
lol
by capt_ayhab on Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:54 PM PDTnuf said
-YT
darius kadivar , samsam
by shahanshahesmail on Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:38 PM PDTdarius , your ridiculous spamming of videos and your childish attitude does not deserve a reply.
samsam , you mean islmic ommah? what muslim is a muslim who does not want a islamic ommah? would you rather be seperated and divided into tribes ? you even go far as to insult hafiz and other persian islamists. What a shame...
Mon Pauvre Petit Cheez: auteuil-neuilly-passy C'est notre ghetto
by Darius Kadivar on Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:20 PM PDTShah spoke French with his ministers ? Where did you see that ? Here:
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN_hWaTUy-Q
Oh And the Shahbanou Danced with the Butler I suppose ? ...
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VfuRaSQn2E
LOL
And in How many Languages Can Your Moussavi Say Cheez ? :
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgg9ilym2Ow
Vildemose dear
by SamSamIIII on Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:38 AM PDTI have extensively written about this item of diffrentiating between what ailes Iran, the native Ommatism(the icing on the cake) vs Islam as a private religion(the cake itself). So I,m simply going to bring a quote from my own blog for a reread;
//iranianidentity.blogspot.com/2009/01/above-portrait-is-of-hafiz-plotonius.html
And then came Qadesiyeh . As a spiritual person & a strong believer in the absolute logic behind being , the God all knowing, without the divisive baggage of religion , I do believe if only we had accepted Islam & it,s one God, without the cancer and virus of Ommatism , the godfather of every thing that ailes this culture , we might have had a chance to preserve still a large chunk of our psyche /language & heritage . It,s not Islam ,a private religion , that is the problem or equates to id-less Ommatism . The problem is the corrupted icing on the cake of Islam aka Ommatism, that brought us The khallife , Jazieh, Taghieh, Ibn Moghafah, Sufism, kharabati poetry, Sanaii, Ohadi , Al Massudi , Shaikh Attar, Fakhrodin Eraghi , Abu Saiid ,Jammi, Shabestari , Hafiz , abu bakr Razi , the Mullah, Majlesi, Safavid, Ghajar, self-pity mentality , seeking foreign messiahs in conmen of Howzeh , Mogol hords, Britain & Soviet Union & so on .
The virus of Ommatism ;How did we get here & who were the culprits !
What was it that transformed a Medeo-Persian nation of free men & women with traits of self-sufficience , self-confidence , self-worth , self-knowledge , adventurism , pragmatism , challenge , ethics & mastery into a failed dual-identity nation falling in gradual abyss of self pity , leaving her destiny to fate , obediance to Pan-Arab psyche , seeking messiah among the occupiers , promoting alien icons , writing in their language & alphabet , naming their kids after occupiers , being content with staus quo , indifference , blaming the victim , praising the subjugator , choosing the easy way out , mistaking friends & foes , welcoming enemies as liberators , leaving foreigners to decide for us & blaming our ills on the first easy target to get away facing our true self in the mirror & be accountable !!! ------------------------------- Yes my dear, my way is to promote my Kiaani princip as an average citizen and make it contemporary relevent than waste my time beating the ocean waves with a sword. Once mine becomes relevant to the masses thru self-knowledge and practice then automaticaly Iran va Kiaan gains top priority in the psyche and religion becomes a private matter between citizens& God. So my idea is not to fight or compete against another spiritual entity but to change priorities ;). Once achieved, the rest is easy sailing. So join me in speaking your pure parsi, re-introducing your kiaani alphabet, bashing ommatie poetry, promoting kiaani names, celebrating kiaani icons, resurrecting Iranian identity, raising your kaviaani flag..etc. In time it will pay its divident. Cheers !!!
Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia
The difference is that the
by shahanshahesmail on Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:13 AM PDTThe difference is that the padishahi never voted , never attempted to make the IRI a better place , never attempted to help islam.
Mousavi chose the colour green as a symbol of the prophets lineage.
what did the padishahis do?
their lover reza pahlavi , that pitiful fool who cant even run a toy store , told the whole country not to vote , when 85% voted , like the opportunistic liar he and his followers are , they jumped on the wagon and used the situation to further their own gains. You ruined everything. Next time stay out of situations in Iran , ok? you glorify american culture , you embrace it then have the gall to claim you are iranians , do true iranians a favour and just leave them in peace.
all they did was treason after treason after treason.
Since when Mousavi is better
by vildemose on Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:08 AM PDTSince when Mousavi is better than the Padeshahis?? Give me a break!!
darius kadivar
by shahanshahesmail on Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:06 AM PDT1)I consider them padishahi scum who are taking advantage of the emotions of the true supporters of mousavi , to further their own political and selfish greed .
btw if they hate islam so much why do they wave the flag of asadollah? you do realize the lion depicts the lion of allah , imam ali right? and the arab sword he carries is zolfiqar , his sword.
2) I use that name to pay homage to the true shahanshahs of the past , not that of a swiss educated military dictator who prefered to speak french with his associates.
3)the deluded person is the one who actually thinks that by attacking all that is holy , the imams , the prophet , the qor'an , everything ,that he will force an overthrow of the islamic state.
Thats what I call deluded.
you merely confirmed what I said in my article , that your a bunch of selfish opportunistic people who are taking advantage of the true green movement supporters , who are loyal to islam but what a change within the articles of the islamic revolution.
Samsam Jan: Ultimately, in
by vildemose on Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:06 AM PDTSamsam Jan: Ultimately, in my opinion, Iranians have to choose between their religion and their country, their religion stand against all that is Iranian and they don't even know it.
You can't really promote Islamism and keep your Iranian heritage at the same time. That is the real truth and sooner and later Iranians have to face that bitter truth or face gradual extinction of their culture and heritage, colonization of Iranians finally coming full circle.
خداپرست ميهن دوست اينگونه اغاز ميکند
SamSamIIIISun Apr 18, 2010 10:51 AM PDT
خداپرست راست دل چه مسلمان چه يهودي و ...ارجش بايسته و نسک ورجاوندش شايسته, ولی هم ميهن گرامی وگرچه گمراه ,گوش فرا ده و کباب خوری بس کن.
خداپرست ميهن دوست اينگونه اغاز ميکند:
خدا کيان ايران
که بدون خدا کيان را ارزشی نيست و بدون کيان اين خاک را ارزشي نيست
بت پرست خدا نشناس و امتی کيان ستيز اينگونه اغاز ميکند:
امام سالاری موسوی نايب امام پرستی
پرچم خرچنگ مکن پرتوی يزدان
تازپرستی مکن راه اييران
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يا که شايد من بباشم امتی
نام من باشد يدالله يا غلام يا نعمتی
من ندانم اشکارا جد و آوادم کيه
آن زبان پيشينه و فرهنگ و دودمانم چيه
من کنون دانم که يادم داده اند از بچگی
گل بريزم بر سرم ,سينه زنم لبيک گويم جملگی
من امام غيب را کردم خودش پيغمبری
من بجايه ايزدان پرستش کنم حور و ضريح
چون نخواندم و ندانم بهر ايرانش ز جم
من چو بوزينه بخندم بهر پارسی گويش ان ال عجم
You Clearly Sound as Clueless as You Sound Confused ...
by Darius Kadivar on Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:27 AM PDTClearly 30 years of IRI Propaganda has left an enduring mark on your psyche as many young people of your generation back home to want and generalize people into one melting pot.
Do these people look like Neo Con War Mongerors ? ...
Federal Building Los Angeles July 09 09 Part 1 :
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBm2A_XnR5Q&feature=related
Federal Building Los Angeles July 09 09 Part 2:
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TouInrtwuQ&feature=relatedFederal Building Los Angeles July 09 09 Part 3:
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tIaLKSKuL0&feature=related
Clearly shahanshahesmail You have a mind filled with Stereotypes ! And What is the Word "Shahanshah" doing in Your Name if You hate us so much ?
My Humble Opinion,
DK a Shahi From France Who is Not a Tehrangelese !
Recommended Reading:
Exiled Iranian pop star Ebi in presidential warning (BBC)
Recommended Watching:
PROUD TO BE IRANIAN AND A MONARCHIST: Fereydoun Farrokhzad Up Close and Personal (Mid 1980's)
P.S.
by shahanshahesmail on Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:02 AM PDTmy comment applies to all the exiles who do nothing but attack islam and iran.
mahmoudg
by shahanshahesmail on Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:01 AM PDTKeep thinking that in your own little world every iranian hates islam and the qor'an and that 85% of iranians in iran love reza pahlavi and the other exiles (laughable if not plain insanity)
Thats precisely the reason why none of you will ever see iran again or achieve any of your aims.
P.S. you are an insane figure if you think invasion by america will unite the people against Islam and islamic government. America tried that in 1980 , iranians became more fanatic and extreme cos of it. How dare you advocate an attack on your nation? would a abu ghraib in iran make you pleased? would signs on shops in iran reading "No dogs or iranians allowed" make you pleased(like during mohammad rezas days)? you people have no self respect and you represent the epitomy of treason.
Salam
Islammmmmmmmmm
by Bahram Gohari on Sun Apr 18, 2010 09:59 AM PDTSince when you have obtained the right to represent the whole nation to speak for them, keep your Islam for yourself and give me the choise to decide for myself to choose Democracy. Long live free Iran.
"Iranians love islam, Iranians love the Qor'an"
by Peter Pan on Sun Apr 18, 2010 09:57 AM PDTA lie. A simple lie.
You cannot love a religion which makes your mother worth half as much as your father( assuming you know both of them).
You cannot love a book, which advocates violence, and hatred.
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u will learn dat Velayate-Faghih & democracy r incompatible
by MM on Sun Apr 18, 2010 09:52 AM PDTIn time, once there is separation of the clergy and the government in Iran, religion and democracy can live side-by-side.
Right now, the whole IRI system is either selected by a few mullahs or strictly screened by the mullahs before any elections. Furthermore, the elected ones are under constant veto threat by the mullahs. You cannot have true elections in Iran without major changes in the IRI constitution.
Complaint all you want about Mousavi's misfortunes, but he also believes in the concept of VF and his hero is still Khomeini.
what Islam and what holy figure!!!!!!
by mahmoudg on Sun Apr 18, 2010 09:44 AM PDTMost of us if not all, are saying the problems are Islam. Iran can only be freed if America steps in. Obvioulsy Iranians are incapable of bringing democracy for themselves as evident with the events of the last 100 years, more so the last 30. So the problem is Quraan, Islam and that peodophile Mohamad. Unless and until, we particularly in exile, cheer on the world and Americans to attack and annihilate this regime and the 200K basij and pasdars, democracy and freedom will never reach the iranian soil.