Confrontation over German mosque
BBC
19-Sep-2008 (18 comments)

Construction has been approved by the city council and is due to begin by the end of the year. Cologne Mayor Fritz Schramma called on the city's inhabitants to give the right-wingers "the cold shoulder". Gabriele Hermani, a spokeswoman for the interior ministry condemned the conference saying: "We believe that such an event organised by populists and extremists in Cologne is damaging to the good co-operation between the city and its Muslim citizens."

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Farhad Kashani

Anynymous8, Q has backed

by Farhad Kashani on

Anynymous8, Q has backed off a lot because he tried to bully, like you guys always do, and got bullied back. I can honestly say no one has ever insulted me on this site like Q has. For this, you have to refer to the first few times he responded to my comments. I’m sure all of that is easily retrievable. Unfortunately for him, he didn’t realize he met his match.

 

As far as your question, definitely secular liberalism, hands down. Secular liberalism has been repressed in most former and current communist nations, in majority of Middle Eastern countries, and in many parts of the third world especially in Africa. Islam was a religion that was not heavily politicized prior to the rise of Khomeini and his regime. There were few outright anti Islamic movements here and there, but nothing significant. After 1979, that took a 180 degrees turn. First thing that Khomeini and his regime did was to kill moderate Islam and replace it and introduce it with an extreme barbaric version of it. Second, they politicized Islam and connected it to political issues, thus heavily emerging religion and politics. Third, through intimidation, incredibly successful propaganda machine and use of some the most inhumane savage tactics in history, including martyrdom culture, it started exporting that version of Islam. Al Qaeda and others, are just a tiny bi product, or side effect if you will, of the 1979 revolution. There are thousands of Al Qaeda like groups out there, and millions of sleeper cells and potentials terrorist out there who have this in common: they all have been inspired, and in many cases supported, by Khomeini and his regime to rise up and establish a religious state. Just one quick example, the Taliban movement in Pakistan’s most important demand is not for America to get out of middle east, not for the killings in Afghanistan or Iraq or Palestine to stop, not for Israel to get out of Arab lands, not for Pakistan to have a truly democratic system, not for better economic opportunities for Pakistani people, not to establish dialogue with other civilizations….none of that, the central argument they make is “they wanna establish an Islamic state”.

 

The thing is Anynomyous8, there is a much bigger world out there than the one that leftist media has created for you guys. To be honest with you, after years of being consumed by this media, I truly believe that some of these guys are just incapable of understanding that world. I mean its gonna take many years of reading, analyzing, witnessing things first hand and listening to reason, to be able to get out of this bubble. That world does not consist of Bush on one hand, and everyone else on another. That world had religious fighting and territorial issues and ….for centuries. The world wasn’t a peaceful place when Bush to came to power, Islamic fundamentalism was there, Russia and China’s ambitions were there, bureaucratic hurdles in U.S governments were there, leftist media poisoning minds was there, Iran was inspiring Islamic terrorism, in Iraq, religious killing was happening, just that it was reversed, Sunnis killing Kurds and Shites and now its other way around, Taliban was murdering shites and Hazara in Afghanistan,,…….poverty, aids, hunger, all were there…..none of these started in January 2001 when Bush took power. You can make the argument that Bush didn’t do the right policies to confront these issues, but you can‘t blame him for these issues! And now you guys are still isolated. You guys don’t know who Farouq Hosni and Nasr Abu Zeid and Arshad Manji and millions and millions of liberal Msulism who are trying to get their religion back, are, do you? you don’t know about the movement of millions and millions of peace loving Muslims to stop this culture of death introduced by Khomeini, , do you? No you don’t! You don’t know what’s going on in grassroots level around the world, do you?  Cause to you, we got Bush, and we got everyone else!

  

Please open your eyes to reality.

  


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Farhad, are you sure you are not this confused guy

by Anonymous8 (not verified) on

at the front row on this video? You sound just like him.

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-dUJgJM06U


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Farhad, you really should leave the comedy to the professionals

by Anonymous8 (not verified) on

so, you're comparing "too far to the right" with calling saying Q is supporter of death cult and a "criminal"? You are saying who he works for, and he is making a rhetorical point about what you SOUND like. It's always the same story. Anyone with any literacy can see the difference.

Since you see yourself as some kind of Massiah acting on "the side of the Iranian people" (what a JOKE!) maybe you can answer this simple question: who you think has been repressed world wide in the past 50 years, secular liberalism or Islam? Most of the world has no problem seeing the truth. You're right, it HAS ended, but it's against you.


Farhad Kashani

Anonymous8, scroll down one

by Farhad Kashani on

Anonymous8, scroll down one more time!

 

I have the right to defend myself if someone calls me name first, clearly, if you scroll down one more time, you can see that he called me “too far to the right”, which I really don’t think is an insult and I am not a right winger anyway, nonetheless, that’s why I replied back saying that your regime and its supporters are “a threat to world peace”. That’s not profanity, its reality and a state.

 

All that aside, like I said before, any attempt by Islamic Leftists to bully any of us who are on the side of the Iranian people, will be countered, aggressively if necessary. We show civility by not engaging in name calling first, but if we get called names, be sure that we will bully back.

 

50 years of silencing and bullying by Islamists and leftists has just ended.

 


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Vazir and Kashani,

by Anonymous8 (not verified) on

don't tell jokes. Your NAME CALLING is right here at the bottom. Forget me, who you always call names. But here's who "started it" this time, with you saying Q is a criminal, IRI and supporter of death.

Can you deny what is written here in black and white?

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Q, the biggest threat to world peace right now, is your beloved IRI regime that has politicized Islam and turned it into a death cult, and is using it to intimidate people and bully people to accept its way of life.

People like you who justify actions of regimes such as the IRI and promote for Islamic fundamentalism, are partners in the crimes they have committed.
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Who are you trying to fool?


Farhad Kashani

Shamse Vazir jaan,

by Farhad Kashani on

Shamse Vazir jaan, appreciate your support. They are well aware that the only time I use strong words is when they start it first because I'm making the point that they cannot bully the people of Iran anymore. If they attempt to bully, they will be bullied back. But we don't initiate that because thats not who we are. We are civilized.

 

The only tool these people got is to character assassinate. Make up things, bash you and not your argument and bullying, is an integral part of their tactics. They have absolutely no tolerance or any desire or ability to carry out an intelligence conversation.  


Farhad Kashani

Anonnynous8, I’m not a

by Farhad Kashani on

Anonnynous8, I’m not a religious person, I’m a secular individual, maybe using that definition you can make the judgment that I’m anti all Semitic religion (Christianity, Juddhaism and Islam), however I'm not against moderation or moderate Islam or any other ideology, maybe don't care for it, but not necessarily against it, and those three are not the same, and they have taken different courses throughout the history. I can tell you this, the courses they have taken and the reforms they went through had little to do with what they were or are in nature, but more or less, with mixing those religion with politics and the geographical area where they were located or originated from. Even that’s the case right now, some Muslims in Senegal don’t have a lot of in common with many Muslims in S Arabia.

 

That being said, I believe the Iranian regime introduced and promoted a death cult version of Islam after 1979. That version is growing and its followers are intimidating people all around the world to accept it or, 1- in worst case scenario, we will do our best to anything from silencing you or killing you if you criticize it 2- best case, we will call you  “anti Islam”, or “racist”.

  

 I’m not gonna tell you what “ideas” I believe in, because that’s irrelevant. Maybe I’m an atheist, who knows. You make your own judgment.

 


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Name calling ..

by Shamse Vazir (not verified) on

I have read Mr. Kashani's writings for some time and he does not deserve these name callings. He is an Iranian patriot who is upset {like many of us} about the behavior of IRI.

Exactly what has he said to deserve this name callings anyway?


Q

agreed, Leave Kashani alone, ignore him

by Q on

his Islamophobia is legendary and incurable. Anonymous8 you called it correctly. This story is about a mosque in Germany and that's exactly what ticks off our anti Muslim friend.


Moderator 1234

Dear Participants

by Moderator 1234 on

Please tone down your language and stop the name-calling. 


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Roo ro beram, Farhad!

by Anonymous8 (not verified) on

You said something about "calling names"? Can you read your own writing? As usual you have gone blind in your anti Islam rage and anger. Don't try to hide it, you hate Islam. That's the only reason you make up lies like "bringing the US down", the story is about GERMANY!

You did say this isn't JUST about building one building. That is all you know about this story. Why else are you commenting about it? There is significant number of Muslims living in Germany, just like many Christians who live in Iran but none are evangelical baptist.

You say "Who are you trying to fool?"

Not you, Farhad, you are already a fool.


Farhad Kashani

Anonymous8, forgot to say

by Farhad Kashani on

Anonymous8, forgot to say this: how much tolerance you and your Islamic – leftist friends and your beloved IRI regime will have if a Christian evangelical or Baptist group wants to build a church in Iran? We all know the answer to that question is 0. So you and your Islamist –friends can stop hiding behind the “tolerant” mask cause we all know that’s nothing but a show. The only reason you support the IRI and the Islamic fascists is because you guys “think” that these people actually have a shot in bringing U.S power down. That’s why you have suddenly become “defendants of Muslim causes around the world”!! (Whatever that means)!

 

As we all know, you guys hate America more than you love Iran, that’s if you love Iran at all, and we all know that Islamists claim in open that nationalism means nothing to them, and leftists are ready to risk their country in the name of their backward ideology.

 

Who are you trying to fool?


Farhad Kashani

Anonymous8, I’m not gonna

by Farhad Kashani on

Anonymous8, I’m not gonna answer your name calling with calling you names. For future references, show some civility.

 

Second, I’m not against building a mosque. Maybe you didn’t understand my point, so read my post again, cause I’m not gonna repeat it.


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Farhad, you are slandering Q

by Anonymous8 (not verified) on

as usual when you have nothing to actually respond with. You say it's not about a mosque in a country, so why are you and the Nazi's united against its construction?

Babak Jan: yes, it's all going according to plan. You can still move to Iceland or Vatican and save yourself.


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The cancer is growing...

by Babak756 (not verified) on

The following is adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam:

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called 'religious rights.'

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to 'the reasonable' Muslim demands for their 'religious rights,' they also get the other components under the table. Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States -- Muslim 1.0%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1%-2%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ).

France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris --car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace -- there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel. – Leon Uris, 'The Haj'

It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.


Farhad Kashani

Q, the biggest threat to

by Farhad Kashani on

Q, the biggest threat to world peace right now, is your beloved IRI regime that has politicized Islam and turned it into a death cult, and is using it to intimidate people and bully people to accept its way of life.

If you think this is solely about "a mosque" been built in "a country" and if you're not witnessing that the mosque that used to be a place for prayer has turned into a military barrackade, and if you can't see that governments like S Arabia and Iran go to poor countries and instead of givign aid, like the U.S does, give money to build mosques to promote their brand of fundamental Islam, you must be living in a different planet the last 30 years.

People like you who justify actions of regimes such as the IRI and promote for Islamic fundamentalism, are partners in the crimes they have committed.


Q

I know, Kashani, just like the "threat" from Jews and Blacks

by Q on

and Homosexuals.

Kashani, you ARE one of those "too far to the right" if you think construction of a Mosque is a "threat".


Farhad Kashani

It is very sad that the

by Farhad Kashani on

It is very sad that the grave threat of Islamism is only been recognized, or at least called out, by people who are too far to the right and not many people listen to them. Most people realize it, but aren't doing enough to address it.

 

That doesn’t change the fact that the threat is very real.