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Whatever you say Mr. Expert on "hatred and racism"!

By the way, you might want to consider investing a bit of time to expand your vocabulary, and while you are at it, why not take a course in Logic 101 before you try to engage in your so called "serious conversation." 

capt_ayhab - Lets cut through the crap!!

I will take some of your versus presumably copied from Judea-Christianity holy Books. (Sorry, I only know the Torah by its original ancient language of Hebrew).

You quoted:

"Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the
priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil
must be purged from Israel." (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) 

Rabbish. 

a) Israel is a state of law and order. You do not ignore judges orders.

b) Israel has a freedom of expression. That includes practice of religious. You can practice your religion as you wish, as long as you don't force it on others.

c). Death Penalty is outlawed in Israel. The last man executed it was Ayatollah's Khamanei's father-in law, the Nazi Adolf Eichmann in 1961.

Next.

You quoted:

"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT) 

This practice is done in Iran, Not Israel. Watch this video - she is an Iranian woman, not Israeli one. This is a re-enactment done in Iran. Not Israel.

You quote:

But if this charge is true, and evidence of the girls virginity is not
found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house
and there her townsman shall stone her to death... (Deuteronomy
22:20-21 NAB) 

This versus is from the Quran, the Hadith, or other Islamic scriptures.

Practice like that is not legal in Israel.

the same is true with your other quotes.

Ms. Princess

I have a humble suggestion for you.

Since you neither have the knowledge of the subject matter, nor the civility to engage in serious conversation such as these, I suggest that you stick with what you know. Which I am sure is very little.

Good day Madam

capt_ayhab [-YT]

Religion of PEACE

Mazloom,

You got a deal dude, hate to your hearts content. Before too long, you will be alone, hiding under your bed, fearing that Muslims are out there to get you.

Meanwhile sink your teeth at these verses:

"Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the
priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil
must be purged from Israel." (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put
to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."
(Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

"A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to
death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their
death." (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

"Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

"If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness." (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

"A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and
thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death."
(Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

"Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed." (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

"They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their
fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek
the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or
great, whether man or woman." (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

"If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say
to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name
of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall
thrust him through." (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

"...you must attack that town and completely destroy all its
inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the
plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to
the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God." Deuteronomy
13:13-19.

"But if this charge is true, and evidence of the girls virginity is not
found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house
and there her townsman shall stone her to death... (Deuteronomy
22:20-21 NAB)

"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved
wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other
gods...kill him... (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

"...Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and
set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be
executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)

"...Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total
rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who
works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

"And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into
the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty
thousand men... (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)

"Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest
they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with
tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the
city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy;
have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little
children." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

"Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little
children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes
will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I
will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold
will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young
people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will
show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

Regards

capt_ayhab [-YT]

capt_ayhab

Enough is enough! I base my opinion on the actual words of the Quran. As long as you are determined to see what you want to see, rather than what is actually there, then I don't think there is much point in us continuing this discussion. Good luck to you! 

I have made my point more than clear. All my comments are there for anybody with an open mind to see. After all, I don't have to explain myself to anybody.

Good day, sir.

capt_ayhab -impressed

You can sugarcoat Islam all you wish. Or you may defend the Mullahs from here to Timbuktu agha. The way I was taught in Israel is, there are no bad followers, there are only bad leaders.

All mighty US of A is facing its worse conditions in last 100 years is because of bad leadership in past 8 years.

In less then 60 years, my country of Israel has become one of the most powerful, advanced and riches countries on earth. All because it had bold and visionary leadership, who believed in the mind and skill of its people. The founding fathers of Israel believed that, only with democracy and freedom of expression you can bring the best out of  people. Only with legal system where NO ONE is above the law you can fuse diverse society  from 120 countries into one unit, where they love thier country and proud to defend it.

In mere 30 years, Iran was reduced into ashes. A shadow of its glorious past. people are afraid to speak their mind. 27% inflation rate, 30% unemployment, begging other countries to buy gasoline in a country which floats on Oil. All because of bad despotic and corrupt leadership. 

Back in 1979  the gullible Iranians, who had enough of the shah, they were led to believe a 78 year old lunatic Mullah (Khomeini) will lead them into panacea, and the la la land, where Islam, and the barbaric sharia law will provide all the answers to people's daily life. It did not.

Interesting enough, those Iranians who saw the real agenda which Khomeini was bringing with him, they were smart enough to declare " In booh e bad dareh, I am out aa here man". The best and the brightest had left for the West.

For past 900 Years, look what Islam had brought to its follower. Just close your eyes for a moment and imagine, had not been oil in the region, where Muslims would have been today - economically, politically and socially. They would be in the dark caves of human development. It is the fundamental doctrine of a religious which affect the lives and standard living of people.

All there Abrahamic religions were born on barbaric  foundation. while Judea-Christian one have manged to adapt to new development and for better part maintained the fundamentals of  their respective religion. Islam as practices in Iran, is still stuck in the same backward and fundamentalist gear of the 7th century.

that what I mean barberic Islam. and this is the brand of Islam perpetuated and forced on the Iranina people. 

Mr. Mazoolm

Nice language of dialogue[bull crap], I am impressed.

I am also impressed with your knowledge of Islam, its history.

I am also impressed how dedicated you are toward nation of Iran. 

Mostly, I am impressed how you, in one hand demonize Islam, but point your hatred away from 98% of Iranian Muslims.

I think I have praised your humanitarian agenda in your hatred of Islam properly. Have I missed anything else?

What would we poor Iranian people do if it wasn't for your love and respect of our nation.

capt_ayhab [-YT]

Ms. Princess

Dearest,

First of all no one asked you to take side. That is entirely up to you to hate what ever you seem suitable with the going fashion of the day.

secondly, when you say you find Islamic Doctrine[which it really is not a doctrine] offensive, what basis's you place this opinion? In another word, what is it you find offensive about it that makes you to believe that Islam is religion of killing?

Third, My dear Princess, what word am I putting in your mouth? Lets see from your own word:

Mr Arash Kamangir says[If we compare the Quran to those of Mein Kampf of Hitler and red book of Mao then by far Quran is more violent and fashist.]

And in answer to his comment you say[I very much agree with you both on the message of Quran and on Wilders
intentions. That's why people like us who are disillusion by Islam and
its message or religions in general need to be very vigilant not to
play into the hands of racists and nationalist. We need to carefully
scrutinize the intentions behind people's words and actions. ....]

Tell me, before you once more, charge me with [putting words in your mouth]  is there any message except hate and demoniZing Iranians who happen to 98% Muslim in this dialuge????

Being truthfully honest with you young Princess, I have seen many hateful and racist writings about Islam, but these two comments by you and Mr. Arash take the whole enchilada.

If Islam [ACCORDING to you two SCHOLARS] is the religion of hate, why are you two more hateful than Islam?

Happy Valentine,

capt_ayhab [-YT]

capt_ayhab

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I believe you have missed my point, which might have been a subtle one. My issue is not with Muslims per se, but with the Qur'an and its message! If I find Islam's doctrine offensive, it does not automatically follow that I demonise Muslims - there is a big difference there.

There are people very dear and close to me who pray five times a day. I respect their right to practise their religion privately. They know my opinion about their "holy" book and their religion in general, yet we live with love and in peace together. 

So, I would really appreciate it if you refrained from putting words in my mouth and from trying to pigeon-hole me. Please stop accusing and moralising to me about hatred and racism. You do not know anything about me, except from what I have communicated in this site through my comments. And if you had read those closely you would have already noticed the distinction I am making. 

I do not need to take anybody's side, because I can think for myself and form my opinions based on my own research and thoughts. I wish you would do the same and stopped making sweeping generalisations and jumping to conclusions.   

Thank you!

capt_ayhab Bull crap

Listen to me mister. There are two types opf Islam

1. The Mecca Version. The peaceful & the submissive one practiced by the Iranian people.

2. The Madinah Version, practiced by the Mullahs. The barbarian, the stoning, the oppressive one. capt_ayhab practiced by the Mullahs

All throughout my participation here, I have made an absolute distinction between the oppressed Iranian people and the barbaric Mullahs who oppress the Iranians.

I keep all my disparaging  comments to the Mullahs not the people of Iran.

Go ahead and recite any barberic  passages in the Old teament, provided you can also prove that they are legal in modern day Israel. Let compare notes between the Quran,  Hadith, Sharia Laws, and that of the Jewish Old testmanent and the Talmud. 

Mr. Mazloom

My dear friend, 98% of Iranians are Muslim, I have noticed in most every comment you make, you have something hateful to say about Islam.

If your agenda is not demonizing Iran and Iranians, then explain your agenda? I am all ears.

Keep in mind that we both know how supportive you are of Israeli attack on Iran. I suppose you do that out of love for Iranians, correct?

Respectfully

capt_ayhab [-YT]

P/S I can recite vers after vers from new and old testament that propagates killing. Which they go as far as ORDERING the killings of women, children, even live stock.  We can go at it if you wish SIR

capt_ayhab - Me demonise Iran?

Granted, I never denied nor hid my utter disdain to the Mullahs in Iran. But demonize Iranians?. Nonsense.

Do you mind to show me where did I post a disparaging comments about the people in Iran?.

Go ahead show me. Please.

Princess

It is not your opinion dear that bothers me, it is hateful propaganda that bothers me and  any decent human being.

Your disillusionment of a faith doers not justify you to demonize 1.5 billion believers of a faith, or does it Ms. Princess?

If you claim to be unbiased and educated person[which I am sure you are] do not fall for hate mongering propaganda, seek the truth yourself. For instance take this our refigh Mr. Mazloom, His only purpose in life is to demonize Iran and Irani, because of their faith.

That is, my dear, what I do not like about your opinion,,,,, its called HATE and RACIS.

Respectfully

capt_ayhab [-YT]

Q and the Torah

I read it every day in its original Hebrew language.

Psst, if you promise to just keep it between us, I will make a big confession to you.

Much like that Qura'n purported to be "word of god",  the Torah also DOES contain lot of such filth - murder, rape, polygamy, sex, love, hate, loot, etc. Oh boy you name it, it is all there.

There difference between the Qura'n & Torah are:

1. No Jew will claim, the  Torah carries the word of god. Therefore, every Jew is free to ignore many of those objectionable passages, as he sees fit. More important.

2. Some of the passages like Polygamy, Adult-child marriage, etc. are outright ILLEGAL in Israel, punishable by jail.

Find me any such passages written in Quran are even allowed a public discourse. Every garbage - however objectionable in this day and age is objected in Islam.

innocent girls (even in Iran), still pay dearly for an single action which Muhammad had committed with the then 9 year old Aisha.

to Wilders: don't let the door hit you on the ass...

Mazloom, have you read the Torah?

Are these the words of Allah???????

Just count the number of times Allah the Merciful and the compassionate repeats the words FIGHT and KILL.

The question then begs, is the same "comassionate, and Mercifule" god, is also a bloodthirsty and murderous one. Or "somebody-we-know-whom, had just invented god as his own alter-ego to make others to do the biddings for him, while himself literally gets away with murder. You be the judge.

Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush
them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an 9:112 “The Believers
fight in Allah’s Cause,
they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

Qur’an 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender,
paying the protective tax in submission.”

Qur’an 8:39 “So

Qur’an 9:14 "

Qur’an 8:65 “O Prophet, urge
the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will
vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter
a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of
understanding.”

Qur’an 9:38 “Believers, what is the
matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and

Qur’an 9:123 “Fight
the unbelievers around you,
and let them find harshness in you.”

Qur’an 47:4 “When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in
Allah’s Cause),

Qur’an 2:193 “Fight them until
there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and religion is only for Allah.
But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility except against
infidel disbelievers.”

Qur’an 2:246 “He said: ‘Would you refrain from fighting if fighting were prescribed for you?’
They said: ‘How could we refuse to fight in Allah’s Cause?’”

Capt_ayhab

What exactly is it about my opinion that bothers you so much? The fact that I find Wilders a racist inciter of hatred, or that I believe the Quran's message to be equally as offensive and disgusting? 

Have you actually read the Quran in a language that you understand? Can you in all honstly dispute that almost every other verse talks about God's wrath if the faithful do not follow it's rules?

What is it exactly that has hit a spot with you?

And who claimed to be a 'freedom fighter'? 

Remember, everybody is entitled to their opinion.

Racism

//edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/02/12/dut...

[Geert Wilders, a Dutch film maker, is banned from entering the UK
because of his recent film 'Fitna'. Dutch authorities have already
charged Wilders with inciting racial hatred. Wilders flew to Britain
anyway, hopeing to gain entry, but was denied. "The government opposes
extremism in all its forms," said a Home Office spokesman. "It will
stop those who want to spread extremism, hatred and violent messages in
our communities from coming to our country." ]

There are DECENT people who view these crap as being hatefull and racist, and you two are NOT among them.

capt_ayhab [-YT]

....Pathetic

More HATE and RACIST propaganda form bunch of illiterate freedom fighters wanna be.

Pathetic

capt_ayhab [-YT]

Arash,

I very much agree with you both on the message of Quran and on Wilders intentions. That's why people like us who are disillusion by Islam and its message or religions in general need to be very vigilant not to play into the hands of racists and nationalist. We need to carefully scrutinize the intentions behind people's words and actions. 

Greet wilders is right!

If we compare the Quran to those of Mein Kampf of Hitler and red book of Mao then by far Quran is more violent and fashist. Openly Quran requires that the believers should murder and rage war against the unbelievers and we all have seen in last 30 years how it is practiced!
Although Greet Wilders is a racist and nationalist himself, he is right in that sense.