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Mahmoudg

Western-ha sagueh qui bashan?

They brought us the problem. We will resolve it by ourselves in the time we decide is the most appropriate for the country, not the one which they decide for us. 

They better go and decide how to resolve the new economic sh--  Bush left them all.

but Q

the topic is not about pakistan or USSR.  we're talking about iran.  and i'm aware my opinion carries no legal weight.  nor does yours.  we're talking and discussing our "opinions" of what is legal or not.  it's my opinion that giving iran the opportunity to develop nuclear weapons is wrong.  you seem to be making an absolute statement of fact that iran is NOT developing nuclear weapons.  didn't i say that she was entitled to civilian nuclear development?  it's nothing that anyone would argue.  i thought, or assumed, that the question was rather about whether or not she's pursuing nukes.  of course i agree that if israel did not sign the NPT, she should disarm.  but again, we're not talking about israel.  we're talking about iran.  shifting the blame to someone else isn't going to make the fact that the IRI is unstable go away.

why are you attacking my opinion as meaningless?  because it differs from yours?  you seem to think it's not a matter of concern to me as an american.  please don't be so obtuse about whether or not this is a global issue.  it concerns everyone!

IRI should not have nuclear

IRI should not have nuclear weapons.

it’s the same reason it’s okay for the police to have guns but not criminals.

Iran is an Islamic dictatorship who is essentially Russia's proxy in the ME to destablize American's interest in the region. Why would the US allow Russia to get away with this??

Mr Khameni, apparently, was trained under Putin.

//www.akhbar-rooz.com/news.jsp?essayId=19495

The legality or right's of Iran and Iranians to nuclear weapons and nuclear power have never been an issue. I think the NPT was signed under the Shah. IAEA should kick Iran out of the NPT because a terrorist country like Iran should not be part of either UN or NPT.

"The crux of the issue..."

Neither the easily amused Islamists/Anti-Semites and their likeminded lefty allies including the Islamist wedding photographers nor the posh speaking CASMII lobbyists have bothered to ponder the statement “the crux of the issue …” .  

 Lying then, or now?

Iran's nuclear program is legal and under constant IAEA...

monitoring. Iran's nuclear weapon policy is also clear and defensive in nature. Rafsanjani announced, when he was Iran's president, Iran's policy is to be "a screwdriver" away from the bomb. This means Iran will develop all the components for the weapon but not assemble it. This position does not violate any of Iran's international commitments. I am against ALL nuclear weapons and I firmly believe NO nation should have them. But at this time the issue Iran is facing is constant military threats by nuclear armed enemies, Israel to be specific. Therefore until the ME and eventually the entire world get rid of the nukes, Iran's legitimate right to learn how to make them must not be exploited by its enemies. The fact that most of the gossips and innuendos are spread by the same countries which made up the "coalition of the willing" shows the urge to invade, loot and pillage yet another country that has oil is ever present. Some like the Brits and Ausies did not benefit from looting Iraq as much as they liked, so the same vultures are circling again hoping for something other than crumbs.

Fred, you have not said anything about the content of the article, instead you keep mentioning CASMII. CASMII opposes the useless sanctions, invasion and destruction of Iran. Do you have a problem with that?!!!

AF: it's not up to your characterization (or mine)

Have you read the NPT, the treaty that is in question here? Signed by Iran, US, and all of Europe? It says Iran has a right to civilian nuclear development, furthermore, it says Iran will not develop nuclear weapons in exchange for civilian nuclear technology from the nuclear power states. It's a bargain and incentive not to develop nuclear weapons, in exchange for nuclear power.

It doesn't matter what I "see" as difference. There is no provision in the NPT for "type of government" of the signatory.

Iran is not stable? What the hell are you talking about? Could it possibly be less stable than Pakistan or USSR which actually crumbled? Please, that's a lame excuse, and it is just that: an excuse. Legally it is meaningless.

No country's rights depend on any other's characterization of "unstable" "child" or whatever else. That's your opinion, and it has no legal weight. I personally think israel is much less stable, and far more childish, now do I get to take away it's rights? (Nuclear rights in particular would be bad example, becasue they are illegal there to begin with since Israel never signed the NPT, unlike Iran).

Iran is not your "kid". Nuclear power is not nuclear weapons. You are not the judge of what is "appropriate" to have. The rights are clear on paper, in black and white. If US and the West ignore them, they will destroy the NPT. (Perhaps that is what they want.)

Fred: That's really amusing. The fact that you have mastered the speech arts of a silver-tongued clown is beyond any doubt. But your take on hypocrisy is worse than pathetic. Not only is my name not a secret, but you yourself have used it along with my profession in your classic character assasinations (TM). Now you desperately try to compare yourself to me as to escape the fake-name coward charge? Tell me, do you really have that little respect for the readers of Iranian.com not to recognize such blatent lies?

Q, read the article, it is about lies ...

You seem to repeat the same mantra without reading an article which exposes some routine lies about Iran's nuclear programme and its capability.

"of course iran has the right to develop nuclear energy programs and ultimately be responsible for nukes, but it ain't right now!!!" Please read the article, the time to KNOW is NOW!!!

Personally, I reject nukes and believe in a Nuclear Free Middle East and global disarmament. You are right to be 'sick' of nukes in anyone's hands particularly lunatics. So let us campaign to get Israel join the NPT and to disarm from its massive stockpile of nukes. Does its use of phosphorus bombs and depleted uranium on the innocent population of Gaza not sicken and warn you against weapons in the hands of murderous lunatics? Israeli military Professor, Martin Van Creveld, boasts that Israel has the capability to attack Europe. Does that make you sick?!

Flocks of pigs in pink tutu

Although experience mandates prudence in responding to certain Islamists/Anti-Semites and their likeminded lefty allies, as obtuse as they might be, I’ll put it as gingerly as possible hoping it passes muster. 

 The day that an Islamist is qualified to call anyone a “fascist” is the same day that flocks of pigs in pink tutu do summersault through air. And those with single letter name having the gumption to ridicule others’ plausible name are just the cherry on top of their Islamist hypocrisy sundae. 

The subject is Lying then, or now?

Mahmoudg, what about the lies?!

You correctly point to the campaign of lies about Iran's nuclear programme by the "AIPAC, NeoCons, democrats, etc", but then agree with them carrying out this lying propaganda campaign in order to bring down the IRI. So in your view the LIES do not matter and in fact are desirable in so far as IRI is gotten rid of!!

You say "What we also can ALL agree on is that it [Iran] can only be allowed to have it if IRI is removed from power". I do not believe this at all to be the general agreement. I believe and I believe many others share this belief, that Iran has a legitimate right to its nuclear programme, WITH OR WITHOUT THE IRI. Our national and security interests are not dependent on this or that regime, this is about the future of the people of Iran, our children, and their survival. It is about our economy, our welfare, our environment and our security as a nation. It is our national right above and beyond the IRI.

And do you also believe that AIPAC, Neocons and their like amongst the Democrats would consent to a nuclear capable Iran if the IRI is toppled?! No, they will not, because as well as the issue of the monopoly of nuclear energy technology, no independent nationalist democracy in Iran will be allowed to have nuclear technology. I doubt even their servants in the guise of the Monarchists and their like, would be given that privilege, for the fear that you can topple a regime but you can't topple a nation, populations always come back up in time and fight. People are the biggest danger because they want to live with dignity, because they have demands and aspirations, and the Western imperial powers know it.

Q

do you really think that "rights" are absolute?  don't you see the difference between a stable government having nukes and an unstable government having one? mahmoudg is right.  when iran is stable, it would be a different story all together.  but you don't give a loaded weapon to a child!  just because the US or israel or china is nuclear, iran should be?  you can't go back and take away something that is already out there.  but you can and should control any future development.  it's not taking a thing away from iran to control access to nukes at this point... except her pride. 

come on... just because the other kids in the neigborhood have paint guns doesn't mean i have to give one to my kid.  i don't think he's mature enough to handle it.  i'll wait until he's more responsible.

of course iran has the right to develop nuclear energy programs and ultimately be responsible for nukes, but it ain't right now!!!

just thinking in terms of ANYONE having nukes is enough to make me sick but it's a fact. 

The question remains, if

The question remains, if this nuclear program is strictly a civilian electrical program, why is there an absence of transparency by the IRI? What is it that they are trying to cover up?

Other than sticking it the Iranian people, the IRI would love nothing more than to stick it to the U.S. What better way to accomplsh that than to open the doors, invite the IAEA and anyone else inside and let them see for themselves? Videotape it and put it on YouTube. Show that the IRI's intent is peaceful, and they can boast how they proved the U.S. to be liars for the next 30 years. The PR they can generate from that would be priceless.

But we know they won't, because we know what they're really doing in there. Meanwhile, they continue to lie in everyone's face and some people are excusing it.

Fred, character assassinate much?

Too bad for you and fascists like you, your hero Bush is out of office.

If Mehrnaz is with CASMI, I am honored to be reading this. They saved Iran from a war while fake-name cowards like yourself were cheerleading the warmongers. She's worthy of respect any day compared to you.

mahmoudg: your understanding of international rights is sorely lacking. Did you like the Ghajar dynasty giving away half of Iran? There were idiots back then who were saying the same thing you are about government being illegitimate. Does that mean, we'll get all that land back? Can we get Bahrain back because the Shah was a dictator who made that decision? Don't be so childish.

Rights of Iran are rights of Iran, no matter who is in charge. If your stupid enough to let them go because you don't like the government, you have been fooled once again by foreigners.

Nuclear right for an Iran without the IRI

I think we ALL agree that Iran has a right to nuclear technology up to and including the weapons grade kind.  What we also can ALL agree on is that it can only be allowed to have it if IRI is removed from power.  So the campaign by AIPAC, neo-cons, democrats, etc.  is to convince the Iranian Nation to do it (that is remove the regime from power) or the Western powers are gonna do the job.

The crux of the issue about

The crux of the issue about Iran's nuclear program is, in my opinion, as follows: If Iran has the ability to make the bomb on a short notice, it becomes unattackable. That is not something that the US and Israel can tolerate. They want to be the hegemone of the Middle East.”

LOL. Thanks for the laugh!

Is this the line of argument the IRI is going to use in its talks with Obama's adminstration?? Good luck!

CASMII lobbyist speaking posh

Your telling posh language aside, you still don't get it.

I rinsed my foot but get out of the way next time!

I rinsed my foot but get out of the way next time, on to the kerb is where you belong.

Great article

Very educational article.
Thanks for posting it here Ms Mehrnaz.

IRANdokht

PS: Fred joon,  zeshteh bekhoda mardom harf dar miyaran haa... ;-)

CASMII-ish thought process

For someone who presumably digests material well, the CASMII lobbyist has put her foot in it and does not know it yet.

Oh dear there comes the expert!!

Here comes our Fred, The In-house Expert on Nuclear Issues!!

Didn't need guessing really, like night after day. As expected, our great luminary is throwing up the undigested material hallucinating and convulsing. Nor is he evidently concerned if the US and Israel are the hegemons in the region. Being a great advocate of human rights, his concern is that the IR doesn't get "the bomb", but he feels safe and content, with good conscience, with the murderous occupiers of Iraq and Palestine.

Discuss the article Freddie, if you can, you need to READ IT FIRST IN SOME CHUNKS AND ALLOW YOURSELF TO UNDERSTAND. That way not only will you learn something, at least when you want to attack, you won't go off the tangent, raving and making a fool of yourself.

Lying then, or now?

CASMII lobbyists have got to be prepared for other readings of the Islamist nuke such as:

“The crux of the issue about Iran's nuclear program is, in my opinion, as follows: If Iran has the ability to make the bomb on a short notice, it becomes unattackable. That is not something that the US and Israel can tolerate. They want to be the hegemone of the Middle East.”