Video camera records the brutal beating of a 15 year old girl who is suspected of car theft.
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Captain
by Kaveh Nouraee on Tue Mar 03, 2009 05:00 PM PSTNow I understood you clearer.
Absolutely, this is how it starts. I don't condone this in any manner at all. And I would like nothng more than to see these idiots pay the price. After all, if they weren't wearing badges this would be child abuse.
This guy in Seattle has a prior record? Then he should be bounced off the force and into a cell of his own.
exactly!
by anonymous fish on Tue Mar 03, 2009 04:30 PM PST"HOWEVER this is how lawlessness begins"
it takes one person to start a riot. it takes one person to change the world. good or bad. this has to be stopped NOW. there are no "but's" or "if's" about it. and it's 10 times worse when it's an authority figure. do you think she'll ever have respect for police again? another opportunity lost.
Kaveh
by capt_ayhab on Tue Mar 03, 2009 04:21 PM PST[Captain, I definitely enjoy our new "thing" where we're bouncing
thoughts off of one another, so I have to ask...Can you really compare this to back home? There are no cameras there, and compared to what goes on in Iran, this girl was tickled.]
Absolutely not, HOWEVER this is how lawlessness begins. Let me tell you that I know many police officers in person. I appreciate their stressful and thankless jobs. But they are supposed to be professionals, aren't they.
Besides when acts like this, specially against a MINOR, who is handcuffed is ignored the what? who is going to stop them from violating your right and my right? This is [masalan] land of law, first we had Bush and his blatant disregard of constitution, now these?
shall I mention the shooting of CUFFED man in NY subways in past January? Besides this particular police officer has had the prior history of brutality.
-YT
POLICE BRUTALITY
by MAZIAR 058 (not verified) on Tue Mar 03, 2009 02:12 PM PSTI SAY THE SAME ,DOWN TO POLICE BRUTALITY
BUT THE ANGERS GOES WAY DOWN IF THEY (POLICE)GET A HIGHER PAY FOR THE JOB THEY PREFORM. I GUESS
Kaveh
by Anonymous Observer on Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:52 AM PSTYou're right. I do remember the cop's first name being Bijan.
There are no winners here
by Kaveh Nouraee on Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:37 AM PSTI saw the video, and these cops definitely went over the line. No doubt about it. The only thing that could even remotely justify getting rough with her was if she was high, and even then, it's a stretch. It looked like all she did was kick off her shoe and that set it all off. These bozos need to have their asses handed to them.
But this girl shares responsibility also. She placed herself in this situation in the first place. Whether she was arrested for actual theft or suspicion of theft, she wasn't at the police station because she finished her homework and ate all her vegetables. Maybe from all of this she will come out of it a better person and start to make better choices in life.
Captain, I definitely enjoy our new "thing" where we're bouncing thoughts off of one another, so I have to ask...Can you really compare this to back home? There are no cameras there, and compared to what goes on in Iran, this girl was tickled.
I'm not excusing these idiot cops at all, so please don't interpret it as such.
Anon Observer: I remember that case. The cop's name is Bijan Darvish. I read somewere that one of the reasons for the acquittal was that it was proven that while they had the kid down on the hood or trunk of the patrol car, the kid mule-kicked one of them in or near the place where fresh, new Iranians come from. Ouch.
Point of Interest
by Anonymous Observer on Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:19 AM PSTSeveral years ago, there was a police beating in an L.A. suburb of a young African-American man that was captured on videotape. The video made national news, and the police officers involved were arrested and put on trial. Why do I mention this incident? Because one of the cops who was arrested was Iranian!!!!!!
Only in America!!!!!
PS, if I remember correctly, I think the Iranian cop was acquitted at trial.
it's a fine line between
by anonymous fish on Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:07 AM PSTsurvelliance and big brother. big brother invades your own personal space and we should be very VERY afraid of that... bush tried his best to slip in his version of homeland security measures. HA!
but i believe that any holding cell in any police station should have cameras. this is happening everywhere as someone pointed out. and as ali said, the US does have a system of protection. what we're talking about is the sheer abuse. captain couldn't have put it any better. no one is suggesting that we handle criminals with kid gloves. not in any way, shape or form! but people! her hands were tied behind her back. another police officer was holding her down! there is no "sake of argument". her guilt has nothing to do with the issue of abuse! for just a few minutes of feeling macho, they're going to get sued, fired or put on probabation, and cause a stink throughout the entire country.
way to go guys. you da man.
catia
by capt_ayhab on Tue Mar 03, 2009 07:58 AM PSTMs/Mr/Mrs catia
Don't you ever let me catch you talk about human rights or the oppression that goes on Iran and else where.
What difference does it make? She is arrested under SUSPICION of car theft. In the eyes of the law she is innocent till proven guilty dude/dudet.
I am so disappointed at some of these comments >:-|
-YT
due process???????
by capt_ayhab on Tue Mar 03, 2009 07:51 AM PSTHas anyone heard about[Innocent till proven guilty]?
She is book on SUSPICION of car theft. That means that her rights are protected by two sets of different laws:
1. She has not been charged by court of law, she is merely under arrest for suspicion of theft.
2. SHE IS A MINOR. she is not to be touched.
To make the matter worse, that BIG guy police officer was beating her while her hands were cuffed behind her back.
I tell u this folks, all you who are so full of yourselves when it comes to the rule of law. When things like this happen in Iran, you all cry injustice and cuss at all the Muslim and all.
such a hypocrites.............
-YT
Ali Jan, A more equitable system, I suggest!
by Mehrnaz (not verified) on Tue Mar 03, 2009 07:18 AM PSTNo, I agree, we don't want a Big Brother system which is, by the way, encroaching despite our wish to the contrary. I agree that for surveillance, we do not want to have any more stringent measures than is enforced currently, but I believe in a system that is more equitable and people rather than money oriented, there will be least need for constant surveillance;)
But I also understand that the US is one of the least scrupulous and most violent in the West when it comes to the treatment of disadvantaged individuals by the police.
In conlcusion, mullahs say the same thing in Iran
by Khodeti (not verified) on Tue Mar 03, 2009 06:23 AM PSTWe all should shut up regarding human rights violations and abuses in Iran becuse first of all, there are also cases of human rights abuses and violations elsewhere in the world like in America and secondly the human rights abuses in Iran might be used as an excuse for building a case against mnullah rulers and paves the way for aerial bombardment of Iran.
Well that is exactly what mullahs are saying in Iran and some people are parroting them on this site.
Dear Mehrnaz
by Ali P. on Tue Mar 03, 2009 04:11 AM PSTI am sure there are incidents, involving police, and even between civilians, where there is no independant witness, no cameras, and the perpetrators involved lie, describing it.
One way to solve this problem, would be having cameras everywhere, keeping an eye on things. Cameras, unlike people, don't lie. But then again, we do not want the Big Brother watching our every move ,do we?
Unless we come up with a 100% reliable lie-detector some day, we just let people have their day in court, present their evidence and testimony, and let the judge or the jury decide who is telling the truth.
Some times truth prevails, and some times it does not.
Far from perfect, and not too happy about it's unreliability, but I can't think of a better system.
Enlighten us if you do :-)
AliP:"access to the court system, and the proper fair remedy"?!
by mehrnaz (not verified) on Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:26 PM PSTIs it a truly big brother state that there is an eye everywhere to capture every scene?!
This happened to be filmed, there are the majority of cases which are not filmed and for which there is no witness. So don't be so content too soon!!!
This happens , every day, somewhere in the world
by Ali P. on Mon Mar 02, 2009 07:01 PM PSTThe US system has a way of weeding out the bad seeds.
This is not the first case of police brutality, and I am sure, it is not going to be the last case.
The important thing is that the victim has access to the court system, and the proper fair remedy will be available to her.
I just wish the same, to all the other victims of police brutality, in the rest of the world.
this is awful BUT BUT BUT
by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Mon Mar 02, 2009 05:59 PM PSTFOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT:
It's a crappy system. They get in, you treat them good and nice, and they abuse the system. If you threaten and hurt them, they hate the system. What happened to penal colonies? When these young criminals end up in jail, they join gangs, become a burden on the taxes faster than you can say octomom!
Do police officers have rights? I am not a lawyer. I don't know a damn thing about POH-lees so help me.
AF, believe it, you've heard it before ...
by Mehrnaz (not verified) on Mon Mar 02, 2009 05:00 PM PSTDoes it not sound familiar that you have the right to 'beat the hell out of someone' or 'shoot' them or 'phosphorous bomb' them because they threw a stone at you, or a home-made rocket, and bloody serves them right too ... It is the question of respect for the rule of LAW AND ORDER so that we can all live in peace and security.
i can't believe i'm hearing this
by anonymous fish on Mon Mar 02, 2009 04:31 PM PSThow can any reasonable person justify these actions? i don't care if she stole a billion dollars. she didn't get "slapped". she got the shit beat out of her. good grief. a 15 year old girl. believe me, i'm a mom... i know how obnoxious 15 can be. but he's a police officer, not THE FRIGGIN SS. he should be completely oblivious to "attitude". a parent has to be... a teacher has to be... should we expect less from a police officer!!!!!!! my god. she kicked OFF her shoe. i don't care if she took it off and threw it at him. there is simply no excuse. NONE.
sorry khaleh. i apparently read you wrong as well.
peace out.
dokhtareh poroo
by catia (not verified) on Mon Mar 02, 2009 04:07 PM PSTI have zero sympathy for people breaking laws. A fifteen year old with that much disrespect for the law, and towards an officer, doesn't draw any sympathy from me. Imagine if it was your car being stolen, imagine if it was you doing your job, getting kicked.
The officer was way out of line also.
Give me a break
by Abbas agha (not verified) on Mon Mar 02, 2009 03:30 PM PSTWill you?
This obnoxious teenager steals a car, then throws a shoe at the police officer.
She gets slapped a couple of times.
Not only she's going to get all the charges dropped against her, she's going to get a hefty settlement from Seattle police department.
Human rights violation? Give me a freakin' break...
Nothing new ...
by Mehrnaz (not verified) on Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:47 PM PSTI am not going to watch it, Captain, I get the point and don't have the heart for it. Anyway, as usual it is the fault of the IR.
Understandably unsettling
by khaleh mosheh on Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:19 AM PSTFootage of a brutal assult on a defenceless person- It also affected me ( but being a shallow person that I am, then went off at a tangent).
The other thing that bugged me was the bloody defence lawyer making excuses...
My apologies
by capt_ayhab on Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:51 AM PSTI have no excuses. I did read your comments wrong. I guess I was still in shock of the video of helpless young girl being beaten.
Forgive me please. :-(
-YT
IRANdokht, you are talking to master of sarcasm here, but I have had to tone myself down whole lot. Appreciate your explanation.
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I guess we misunderstood each other
by khaleh mosheh on Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:44 AM PSTUndoubtedly the teenage girl getting a beating deserves compassion- I would be no better than the person adminstering the beating if I didnt think so.
I had thought part of your point in posting this was that human rights violations not a monopoly of Iran. Unfortunately the abuse of human rights of minorities in Iran is being abused itself in order to make a case for attacking Iran and that was my point.
Perhaps I read too much in what you posted Capt. Apologies.
Capt'n aziz
by IRANdokht on Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:37 AM PSTCan't you tell what Khaleh Mosheh is saying?
I loved khaleh's comment: smart and very clever...
I guess some people don't appreciate sarcasm as much as I do.
IRANdokht
Khaleh Mosheh
by capt_ayhab on Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:32 AM PSTI am so disappointed at what you wrote.
For someone who can not bring herself down to show compassion for ANYONE who has be brutalized, talking about human rights is rather ridiculous don't you think so lady?
Or is it only Iranian human right violation is worth talking about? It is such a sad state of affairs when someone loses site of everything but themselves.
-YT
Thanks.. now that we have had this
by khaleh mosheh on Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:12 AM PSTCan we go back to abuse of human rights in Iran?
We gotto build a case for aerial bombardment you know..