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Nojanthegreat,

When there is no freedom, there are no elections. Majority of Iranians are well aware that this is a sham election, and even if it was a true election, who are they electing? The second in command who has no power compare to the unelected clergy dictator on top?

I’m glad that IRI has lowered your standard to think that participating in a sham election and picking from bunch of people who IRI have already picked for you and electing them for a position that has absolutely no influence over policy making in dictatorial IRI, has been a “great experience”. That means you don’t know what a real election is.

Lebanese election:

Your absurd analysis stems from the fact that you are angry and bitter over your beloved Hezbollahs embarrassing lost by the hand of the Lebanese people who have learned from the experience of Iranian people not to hand over their country to Fascist Islamists.

Hezbollah has admitted defeat because they have no other choice but to, not because they’re “democrat”. Is establishing a country within a country, occupying Beirut neighborhoods by force like they did last year and murdering Rafiq Hariri and other politicians and journalists in Lebanon, “democratic” of them also?

 “Not a single Iranian or Syrian official visited Beirut in the past months”. How nice of Syria, ha? Occupying Lebanon for 30 years and destroying it and having an effective and mafia like terror network in Lebanon shows how much Syria “doesn’t want to influence Lebanon”, ha? And same with Iran. Helping Hezbollah to establish a nation within a nation, fueling a civil war, and helping Hezbollah promote and establish Fundamentalist shite culture, show how much the IRI regime cares about Lebanon, ha??? Damn right I want to see a weak IRI, because a weak IRI means a strong Iran, and a strong Iranian people, and a strong Iranian civilization, and a strong Iranian spirit, and democracy, and prosperity. And as far as the wall goes, Khomeini built two walls: 1- between the government and the people. 2- Around Iran to isolate Iran so he can oppress the Iranian people and establish the clergy regime in isolation of world opinion. That’s why 30 years later, clueless brainwashed people like you come out and after all the tragedies that Iran has seen by the hand of the regime the last 30 years, come out an defend the Fascist regime and the Fascism it promotes.  

If there will be free elections in Iran like there is in Lebanon, we’ll see how much the people of Iran support the godfather hezbollahs. They gonna get 5 votes only, from: nojanthegreat, Ostaad, capt ayhab, Abarmard and smhb! 5 versus 70 million!

Just A Thought

In the light of this news, and the Obama’s speech in Cairo, I am wondering how likely it is for Israel to bomb Iran after election if Ahmadinejad wins.

  Now about

Now about Lebanon’s election

Hezbollah has accept the lost in election, how democrat of them. They are now working on next election. Its funny that both group involved in the election accuse each other of being supported b foreigner and , none of them have anything to say about civil problems.

Thinking of 14 March coalition as a democratic group is just stupid. Darus leader … was involved in war crimes and civil war crimes.

Mr. hariri is famous for being his dad’s son. We don’t know how he will govern the country.

I think this is going to be good for Hezbollah.

1 it give chance to them to become under dogs and use the frailer o this government to make their cause .

2 it shows to the Lebanon’s how inexperienced they really are.

And we know how American try they best to change the outcome .

Sending miss Clinton and Joe bidden ( who say that if hezbollah get elected they will stop the aids like the way they did in philistine. ) and obama himself. Not a single Iranian or Syrian official visited Beirut in the past months .

And Iran show to Arab world that is not to get involved in Lebanon’s elections and will accept the outcome not like American and westerner in case of hamas in Gaza .

And Abarmard this is not new.

People like farhad or ……….. Like to see Iran as a weak state so they try first to build the wall between the people and government and then start to show Iran as a weak state in foreign relation. Iran will come victorious after election and will have more support after that in Arab world. Future for Iran and its government is bright .

Mr. Kazemzadeh

Thanks for reply, I shall give you my rebuttal bit later.

But meanwhile lets not stoop to unprofessional and childish insults, shall we?[WINK]

Regards

-YT

Masoud Kazemzadeh for last

Masoud Kazemzadeh for last 30 years Iranian have let homeland down by not voting.

It did not get us anything in the past and wont in future. Not voting is like putting the duck tape on your own lips.

I have voted once in Iran in majlis election in 1378 . It was a great experience. I won’t forget how involved we were me and my family in voting process. How we use to call relatives and friend and invite them to vote . We vote and we got our candidate into majlis.

Today is the same thing all over again. I just talk to my relative and friend in Iran who say they will go and vote and I found that they are in majority not a minority.

Most of Iranian will vote and will come to election pulls .

I understand that guardians counsel will make it less free to become a candidate , but it can be fix.

Iranian can change the laws buy showing to their representative that they will vote for who ever help them get to their goals .

So we just need to vote and vote for who we like.

It will show how free Iran has and will show others who believe we live in Saudi like country how wrong they are . Just remember in last 3 elections the out come was surprising to everyone , we didn’t see Khatami or Ahmadinejads coming. So go out and vote for your guy and may the best man win . Good luck to all.

Be You Tee Full

Khaak bar sareh Hezbegooz.

sort of No, No, Yes

Captain,

You asked flawed and weird questions that do not make a lot of logical sense.  I try to the best of my abilities to provide answers. 

1. No. The premise of your question is contradictory and logically untenable. Saudi Arabia is a dictatorship. There is no free and democratic election. So, if the vf regime decided to become a system like Saudi Arabia, it would be going from one form of dictatorship to another form of dictatorship. If a system is not democratic, then wether or not JM would participate in it is not germane. In other words the FACT that a moderate democratic political organization is not allowed to participate in election is PROOF that this system is dictatorial.

2. Again, the premise of your question is flawed. We oppose a U.S. invasion of Iran. Independence of Iran has always been among our primary objectives.

If you are asking is it logically possible for a county to be invaded by the U.S. and become democratic. The answer is yes. There exists the proven cases of Japan, Germany, Italy after WWII. We also have the cases of Haiti under President Clinton, and Bosnia-Herzegovina under Clinton again. Afghanistan and Iraq are in limbo. The future will tell.

3. If the regime remained as it is and ONLY allowed JM to participate, it would still be a tyranny.  Although that is logically untebale, if the regime allowed a democratic party to participate then it is NOT the same as it is currently.  It is like asking if a snake could fly, would it you still call it a snake?  Snakes by definition do not fly.  If the fundamentalist regime stated that they will accept free, fair, and democratic elections, then that is a transition to democracy. If they only said that JM is the only party that can compete against their own fundamentalist parties, we would participate and our platform will be that if we win, we will allow freedom of press of ALL groups, and we will have freedom of expression for ALL groups, and that we will hold FREE, FARE, and DEMOCRATIC elections in which ALL parties can participate. In other words, as long as there does not exist freedom of expression, freedom of political parties, free and democratic elections, that system is NOT democratic. We, Jebhe Melli Iran, are the oldest and the main democratic organization in Iran. Our goal since our founding in 1949 has been the establishment of freedom and democracy and independence in Iran. If JM participates but other groups are not allowed to, that system is NOT democracy. In logical terms, our participation is necessary but not sufficient condition of democracy.  So, if we are told you can participate, but others cannot and everything would be the same, we would NOT participate and we call this system a tyranny.

In conclusion, JM’s goal since our founding in 1949, has NOT been for the JM to be the govt, or in the govt. Our goal has been to establish freedom and democracy in Iran, whereby the people can vote for whomever they so desire. For example, in 1961, Dr. Ali Amini invited JM to participate in his cabinet. JM refused and instead demanded free elections. In 1979, Khomeini invited Dr. Sanjabi to be a member of the Shoray Enghelab, Dr. Sanjabi refused, arguing that Shoray Enghelab is not legitimate, because there already exits the provisional government. Dr. Sanjabi resigned because Khomeini supported the violations of the due process of the courts and supported the executions by Khalkhali.

What was your first question?

I hope this is helpful.

MK

PP/S

My memory fails me[damn the old age], but when was the last time they had election in Saudi Arabia? These guardians of democracy, which has descended from the [democracy heavens] to salvage Lebanon from the rule of undemocratic evils of Hezbollah[no sarcasm intended]

-YT

Mr. Kazemzadeh

At the expense of being called argumentative I must ask couple of question. Your answer will help me to come to terms with certain statements you make, so your answer will be appreciated.

1. You noted[ Authoritarian forces and regimes (Egyptian govt, Saudi govt) supported March 14 Alliance because of sectarian commonalities]

Questions

1. If[lets assume for a moment] Iranian government turns a new leaf and establishes an identical form of government like Saudi Arabia, which you ever so mildly are calling Authoritarian, in which they take away the rights of women from driving, and engaging in economic activities, but allow JM to participate in election along side Hezbollah,  will you and your group call that form a democratic form?

2. If[lets assume again] USA occupies Iran[God forbid] and establishes an identical form of government such as Afghanistan, with all the perks which is permanent or even temporary[20 25 years] of occupation plus permanent bases in strategic locations in Iran,  will you and your group consider Iran to be borne again democratic government? Given they allow participation of JM in election.

3. IF[assume again] IR they exact way it is now, allows JM to participate in election as a party. would you still call them tyrannical, or you might reconsider the label?

Why and Why not's in all  questions please.

Regards

-YT

P/S I am still awaiting your answer to my first question.

And the platform is?

Weakening Iran because the people would then revolt?

I am aware about your ideas and many others who do not see any possibilities because of the "constitutional" rule of "velayat e Faghih". Although I believe that's an excuse! since we all agree that things in that part of the world don't always run with rules or constitution.

The reality of the changes that has been taken place in Iran, is very obvious for visitors that go there year to year. These "little" openings and changes are slow for many and that's understandable. I however do not agree with quick changes and have argued my cases many times.

In this case also, I respectfully disagree with you  based on the factor that I care for the Iranian position, regardless of what regime, and do not want it to decline. The domestic issues of Iran, will be handled by the Iranians. The more powerful the country and less tensions, the better chance for the people to do what they do best. I have witnessed a better and more open Iran and believe that we are far from having a static system that is not changeable. That's the point that separates us and I understand.

Happy Monday.

Great day for Lebanon!

Mr. Kazemzadeh,

This is great news. A huge defeat for Fascist IRI and its goons. This is a great day for Lebanon and its democratic forces, for the Iranian people to see IRI defeated and for the peace proces in the Middle East.

This is a victory for human rights, modernism and democracy in Lebanon. Lebanese have showed they will never surrender their country to the Fundamnetalist IRI and its goons in Hezbollah.

Great people, great country and great day for them.

interest of Iranian people?

Since when bigger sanctions and military attack has been the interest of any people?

boro jamesh kon amoo

fekr mikoni mardom hameh kharan? 

Darius Jan

Absolutely my good man. And I was not making any analogy to the situation between France and IR regime. Far from it, since France is a democratic nation and Iran is under the iron sandals[naAlain] of akhunds.

Regards sir.

-YT

enemy of democracy in Iran is the fundamentalist regime

Abarmard,

Precisely because I am an Iranian first (and foremost), my first (and foremost) duty is the establishment of freedom, democracy and human rights in IRAN. The primary enemy of democracy in Iran is the fundamentalist regime. As long as velayat faghih nezam rules in Iran, we cannot have democracy. In order to preserve and prolong its tyranny, the vf nezam does a lot of things. One of them has been the creation of Leb Hezbollah. Leb hezbollah is an extension of the IRGC, which is engaged in the oppression, repression and brutalization of the Iranian people.

Others may do what is in THEIR interests. I do what is in the interest of the IRANIAN people, which is the replacement of the incumbent dictatorship with a democracy. I hope this is helpful.

MK

Mr. Masoud Kazemzadeh

I am not certain if you are making these up to support your comment, or you actually believe in what you wrote.

The political system in Lebanon is and was not based on certain parties come in and (TAKING) their Rights. Either you do know this, or this might have skipped your attention.

The party that you are supporting is the party that Saudi Arabia supports. If anything, they are not for democracy in any ways or form. Just because they are pro West and they have Saudi money!

One small mistake in many of your analysis is that you give too much credit to the West and pro Western regimes. Although West is great in civility and freedom for their own citizens, they do not represent ideas of freedom for the third world or countries that are under their domination. A quick review about history would clarify this simple statement without going too much in to detail.

As an Iranian I would like the Iranian position to be more powerful than the rival, in this case Saudi. Why would I want to cheer a country that is not only behind my own in every social and political aspects, but also plays a rival regardless to what government Iran has?

You are Iranian first.  

March 14 Coalition is a force for democracy in Lebanon

They have freedom of expression, freedom of the press, freedom of political parties, and free and fair elections in Lebanon. A Hezbollah victory would have put all these in danger and probably caused civil war sooner or later as we have seen the victory of Hamas did in Palestinian territories. March 14 Coalition victory is a victory for democracy. March 14 Coalition is a force for democracy in Lebanon. Hezbollah is a force for extremism and violence and terrorism. Fanatical extremists groups like Hezbollah, Hamas, Taliban, the fundamentalist regime in Iran are harmful for democracy, civil liberties, and human rights.

Authoritarian forces and regimes (Egyptian govt, Saudi govt) supported March 14 Alliance because of sectarian commonalities (they are Arab Sunnis) and to counter the influence of Hezbollah (a puppet of the terrorist regime brutalizing the Iranian people).

An authoritarian govt may do something good or something bad. It may do so for wrong reasons or good reasons. It is wonderful that the March 14 Coalition defeated the Hezbollah coalition. A Hezbollah victory would have been good for the terrorist fundamentalist regime which is oppressing and brutalizing the Iranian people. Therefore, this victory is bad for the terrorist fundamentalist regime ruling Iran. That is why I am very happy.

The people of Lebanon can determine their own destiny in free and democratic elections. The people of Iran lack the right to determine their own destiny in free and democratic elections. And I hope the people of Iran can one have a free and democratic election in Iran like the people of Lebanon enjoyed this wonderful event.

Our neighbors have elections zillion times better than the psuedo-elections in Iran. In Pakistan they can vote Gen. Musharaf out and vote in PPP. We in Iran do not have the same right to vote the velayat faghih gang out and vote in Iranian democrats such as Jebhe Melli Iran. In Turkey, the people of Turkey can vote for an Islamist party. In Iran we cannot vote for Iranian democrats such as Jebhe Melli Iran. Even under foreign occupation, the peoples of Iraq and Afghanistan have a muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch broader choice than the oppressed and brutalized people of Iran do. Under the fascist regime, even members of the oligarchy like Alami are not allowed to run in this ridiculous show!!!!!!!!!!

MK

Dear capt_ayhab

Thanks for the feedback and more accurate Statistics.

Well All things being Relative ...

You are quite right about the Boycott backfiring in the First Round of the French Elections which created the situation of a right wing party in the second run off. However THE major difference is that We are not placed in a situation of having to Save a Democracy from extremist elements but simply voting in people from the same extremist dictatorship ( or Theocracy whatever one calls it) into Office with the slim hope of seeing more carrots and less sticks ... 

In otherwords to paraphrase the French:

"On Reprends Les Memes et On Recommence ..." aka "we take the same people and re package them."

Abarmard

I didn't get it at first either...

I suggest you do what I am practicing these days. When I see something Patriotic I write it down and repeat it 10 times a day so maybe I can be as vatan-parast as Mr K  too. So write it down my friend and repeat:

Saudi=dictator=no human rights=friends of US=Good

Israel=Apartheit=nuclear bombs=white phospherous=democratic=Good

Iran=no nukes=no history of aggression for 100s of years=Dangerous

Elections: GOOD for the Lebanese, BAD BAD BAD for people of Iran.

It helps if you continue adding to the list. You'll learn the new and improved values that tell you clearly who's on the right side and who's not.

Anotrher lie

Its funny how things are distorted, in fact hezbullah won EVERY race it entered. According to Lebanese constitution they needed to form a coalition. This coalition was General Auon who did not get what he was thought to get. The winners are Saudi backed sunnis and Flangists (a Fascist group), only Shahis would distort the news the way IRI does and then celebrate.

Democratic Forces?

Are some people happy that Pro Saudi Sunnis won? and why?

I missed the Memo.

Dear Darius

A note on French election as you brought up. Actually the vote count was   Jaques Chirac got 82.21% of people who voted, and  Le Pen getting the 17.79% of votes.

This occurred due to massive boycott[20.29% of eligible voters actually did not go to vote], with  5.39% who did go to polls but cast blank votes.

As you see The white votes did not get counted and Jaques Chirac won the election by 82.21% of votes and not by 82.21% of total population. In another word, boycott backfired.

My lazy source: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstention

-YT

Curb your enthusiasm!!

Democracy forces?! These tugs are pay rolled by Saudis and Egyptian dictators and Israeli agents!

Since when Mobarak is supporting democracy.
Stop the nonsense you read in media!

FYI/Iran supreme leader dismisses Obama overture

Khamenei: ‘We haven't seen any change’ in U.S. policy toward government

//www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29810371/

Massoud Jaan SHAHABI & Co Still Don't Get it ;0)

What Our Critics CAN't COMPREHEND is the SIGNIFICANCE of the Vote Friday. Not surprising they have been Brainwashed for 30 years with too much IRI Bullshiting I suppose  ...

France Voted for Jaques Chirac's Second Term including the Communists, socialists and green parties which Summed Up to 98 % Victory in order to Beat French Far Right Party of Jean Marie Le Pen.

That was enough to even make a Dictator like Pinochet or Fidel Castro Blush in Shame ...

They think that a landslide Victory for any of these candidates some of whom are suspected of Crimes and corruption is an Endorsement of their Political pograms.

Fortunately Most of Our Compatriots ARE NOT STUPID !

They Understand the SIGNIFICANCE OF THE PEOPLE's VOTE in these Undemocratic and restricted Elections ...

The Candidates will give THEIR INTERPRETATION On Friday Results but Filtered by the official Censored and State Controlled Press.

I wonder what the word "Shah" is doing in your name for its too Taghouti for an IRI apologist like You !

DOMMAGE ! ;0)

Pass on the Bearnaise Madame for You are Too Salty for My taste ...

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hyw_o6P6-WQ

Keep Them Coming SHAHABI Khanoum, Your Hilarious !

LOL

DOWN WITH THE IRI !

bebakhshin haa

Heloooooooooo. All other parties are free ..."

"Duuuuuuuuh. Iranian people do NOT..."

is this how you wrote your thesis too?  or are you just too emotional because most Iranians will vote and the ones who stay home will have no effect in the results?

What results are you expecting from the IR elections? Whether they are free or not, the results that are published will affect the future of Iran. Are you hoping that Ahmadnejad would win?

Mr. Kazemzadeh

Lets not talk about the obvious, being the nature of election in Iran. As obvious as it is, election in Iran is nothing but choosing different IR'i for next 4 years.

what is the relevance between defeat of Hezbollah in Lebanon and plight of our nation which has been under iron fist of IR in past 30 years?

And what this tiny countries election signals as far as end of IR? Does this election signal brighter day for Iran? or even Lebanon. I am simply not getting all the excitement.Lets not forget that this is just an election,and not total eradication of Hezbollah in Lebanon, or is it?

Next election with all likelihood, they will regroup and return, or won't they. Besides they still have minority seats, which is they are still participating is governance of the nation.

-YT

This is bad news for the hezbollahis in Iran

1. Lebanese Hezbollah was created by the fundamentalist regime.  They believe in the Velayat Faghih as THEIR nomber 1 leader.  Khomeini and now Khamenei is the number 1 leader of the Lebanses Hezbollah.  In other words, if Khameini tells Lebanese Hezbollah, jump, thei will say "how high."  In other words, Lebanese Hezbollah is a nokar of the fundamentalist regime.

2. Lebanese Hezbollah has been used by the fundamentalist regime to assassinate Iranian dissidents.

 //iranian.com/Kazemzadeh/2006/July/Hezbollah/index.html

Therefore, a defeat for Hezbollah in Lebanon, is a defeat for hezbollahis in Iran.

MK

No to Hezbollah in Lebanon, No to Hezbollahis in Iran

In Lebanon, the people had the REAL choice of voting for Hezbollah candidates (and its allies) or vote for anti-Hezbollahis such as Saad Hariri, or Jumbladt, etc. Hezbollah in Lebanon did not choose Hariri or Jumbladt or others. Heloooooooooo. All other parties are free to nominate THEIR candidates and the people of Lebanon, can choose whom they want.

Comparison would have been valid if and only if the Hezbollah in Lebanon, provided ONLY members of Hezbollah and told the people in Lebanon, these are your ONLY choices.  Only children would be fooled by comparing a democratic election with a pseudo-election by a brutal dictatorship.  We are NOT children.  We cannot be fooled. 

In Iran, there are 4 hezbollahi candidates. Duuuuuuuuh. Iranian people do NOT have their own candidates. The Iranian people do not have the most basic right to have their own parties. The Iranian people lack freedom of expression, freedom of parties.  We lack free, fair, and democratic elections in Iran.

In Iran, there is a brutal fascistic hezbollahi regime, that uses the votes of the people in its propaganda as an indication of the degree of its legitimacy. The higher the participation in votes, is declared by the regime as higher percentage of the population that accepts its rules and candidates. Therefore, any voting in the fascist regime is helping Khamenei to say that many persons participated in OUR nezam’s elections.

BOYCOTTING the fascistic hezbollahi regime’s pseudo-election is the LOUDEST way possible to say no to hezbollahi regime in Iran.

MK

not getting it

I am not getting the bah bah o chah chah. What does Lebanon's election in which one Muslim party winning over another Muslim party has to do with Iran.

what difference is it going to make for Lebanese people, while in the other side of the borders a hardliner Netanyahu along with racist Russian criminal Avigador are the ones who really dictate to the region?

Lets not forget, Hezbollah in Lebanon, with all its extremism and what ever, were the ones who defeated the Israeli invasion. I categorically condemn any form of extremism, but come on people, reality is that in Lebanese politics had no bearing on Iran, Hezbollah in Lebanon did not operate like they do in Iran. Unless you guys think this is end to Islam or something.

Can someone tell me how their defeat is going to weaken IR? This way I might understand all the bah bah o chah chah about it?

Ay aghaaaaa !

-YT

don't want to fouzuli or anything... but

According to Mr Kazemzadeh and Mr Kadivar Iranians are too stupid to vote.

So lets celebrate Lebanon's election results and tell Iranians how stupid they are for wanting to vote against the system that they don't like.

What would we do without patriots like you two?!