عذرخواهی كروبي از ملت
jonge-khabar
30-Jun-2009 (24 comments)

ملت بزرگ و فهیم ایران! لازم می دانم ابتدا از مردم ایران عذرخواهی کنم؛ هم به خاطر چندین ماه اصرار و ابرام برای حضور در انتخابات ریاست جمهوری و هم به خاطر همه آن عزیزانی که در این مدت زحمات زیادی را برای آنها موجب شدم و با لطف و عنایت خود مسیر انتخابات را هموار و زمینه حضور عظیم و بی سابقه ای را فراهم کردند. پیش از همه اذعان می کنم که بسیاری از شما پیشتر و دقیق تر می دانستید که چه خواهد شد و متوجه شده بودید،همان گاه که می پرسیدید «چه تضمینی برای آرای ما وجود دارد»، یا زمانی که می گفتید «نتیجه انتخابات معلوم است و شما آب در هاون می کوبید.» با این همه می خواهم بگویم از کرده خود پشیمان نیستم و شما هم از این تلاش عظیم و حضور یکپارچه ضرر نکرده اید.حرکت ما در جهت تحکیم مبانی جمهوریت، اسلامیت و ایرانیت بود و ماه ها با کمک دوستانمان تلاش بی وقفه ای داشتیم که «مطالبه محوری» را در صحنه انتخابات به یک اصل تبدیل کنیم و با توجه به اوضاع و شرای... >>>

IRANdokht

اين دولت را مشروع نمي دانم

IRANdokht


ضروری ترین مساله در شرایط کنونی حفظ روحیه انقلابی و سیاسی در برابر کسانی است که می خواهند مردم نا امید شده و از صحنه انتخابات خارج شوند.همه باید وحدت انقلابی و روحیه سیاسی را حفظ کرده و با جریان عظیمی که در این انتخابات به حرکت در آمده و خودآگاهی خود را بازیافته به تشکیل و تقویت تشکل های مدنی و حضور در احزاب و گروه های سیاسی اصلاح طلب و تحول خواه و امیدوار به آینده بپردازند. .


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IRANdokht

David

by IRANdokht on

For Pete's sake please stop being a drama queen!

here's what Mehrnaz said:

David ET - Who are you (or I) to say what Iranian people must or must not do and whom they should now choose as their leader?! I am not saying we can't express a view as individuals outside the country, but to give directives .....?!

and your reply is so off it's not even funny. Did you read what she said? this is your comeback:

On the other hand you come and tell me that I also have no right to express my view about what went on first page ! Look whose talking!

 

puhleaaaaase!

for someone who thinks I can't deal with criticism, you sure fly off the handle pretty fast, don't you? who's victimizing himself here now?  still wonder why you shouldn't be taken seriously?!

get real!

IRANdokht


David ET

Mehrnaz

by David ET on

I am an Iranian and I have the abolute right to express what I think what we as Iranians should do or not do as long as I don't force it on anyone.

Any word we write is our opinion of what we think is right thing to do or not .

and who are you to tell me that I can not say what I think we Iranians should do, as long as I am not holding gun to their head forcing them, of course I give my view of what I think is the right thing to do!

On the other hand you come and tell me that I also have no right to express my view about what went on first page ! Look whose talking!

few people including me within a commentaries of a news piece burried among pages of iranian.com wrote a line or two of their opinion on a subject after a week or so later, whats with all this DRAMA !!!!?

 People gave different opinions and if some want to dramatize it and act like victim just because some people gave their views so be it. Otherwise why instead dont you and ID grow up and accept that people have different viewpoints and don't melodramztize a tiny difference and expression of opinion!

 Pass me the tissue: poor heyvooni. Asemoon be zamin resid , yeki chizi goft be khanoom! akh kojast oon manbar e rozeh va mollah ke biyad zaari konim!

ye parapgraph ma ham nazaremoono daadim, tanab daar ro biyarin, daaremooon bezanin! someone disagreed with the attention seeking,  (now) playing victim,  supreme leader of ir.com 

 I thought she had no time for these pitty stuff in her busy revolutionary attendances in LA demos and twittering during the upcoming 4 more years!

Geez ! 

 (ps: the support of Jeleho , the pro IR thugs member of iranian.com as always speaks volumes   )

 

I DID SAY: TIME WILL TELL! In her case I guess it did last about 20 hours! This was my first post after a very long time on a thread created by ID and I go back to not posting on her blogs and news or addressing her at all (except in response and if I have to) , since she continues not being able to handle other views or critisism. 


IRANdokht

now that Karoubi's completely forgotten...

by IRANdokht on

Mr Lakani,

You think this is a gang attack? you should see the attacks against many of the members who express their opinion on different blogs here. Nobody insulted you, which is very different from the usual way some of us get bombarded quite frequently.

Maybe you didn't remember it was me who posted it, but didn't MazriaB say it was me? you agreed with him without reading his comment?

Michael Jackson's death was a big deal in US and the world. I had emails from Iran asking for more information on his death!  For people to attack my character based on posting one of the headlines of the day is actually funny. KouroshS who usually sees everything under the opposite light than I do, made a good point here. Please don't be embarrassed, just go back and read the comment you agreed with and please don't pretend that you didn't agree with a personal attack. You also jumped on the opportunity to "catch" me contradicting myself, where there was no contradiction.

MJ was not personal to me, but asking me why I am all of a sudden interested in Iran or how lame I am to "flow" around with the wind aren't anything but personal. 

Thanks everyone! I am pleasantly surprised by all these positive and encouraging comments, I am not used to this ;-)

IRANdokht


Ali Lakani

IRANdokht

by Ali Lakani on

I didn't attack you. I asked you a question about your comment and expressed my opinion about the Michael Jackson coverage. At the time I couldn't even remember that you were the one who had posted the news item on the subject, as I explained later. How did I attack you?

Jaleho, I am disgusted with IRI for rigging the elections and for killing Iranians. Maybe that's why I thought this is too important to be pushed aside.  That's my opinion and I do see your point of view too.

This has been embarrassing. Forgive me, but this all looks like a gang's way of descending upon someone who has only expressed an opinion. There was no personal attack in what I said. This has been an interesting learning experience. 


Jaleho

Ali Lakani, why so much cliche?!

by Jaleho on

Micheal Jackson has been an international figure loved by HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of people all over the world. His sudden death is certainly a news and it should go on top of a news section.

You personally might not have gotten sick of seeing the REPEATED cations of Iranian demonstartion of a week prior non-stop in CNN and Fox. But, the world goes on, you know? As much as you like to live in that three days which are very important to you possibly because you don't even go to Iran, and those outpour made you feel connected....but others live in time, news in particular!!

One news about death of someone loved by millions, thousands of Iranians included, can occupy one space among a flood of news, blogs, and articles about Iranian election. It shows the healthy mind of whoever provided it.


MEHRNAZ SHAHABI

Irandokht, my support too, although you don't need it!

by MEHRNAZ SHAHABI on

Irandokht, You have my support too, although I don't think you need it; the attack was so transparent!  You are one of the most consistently progressive, humane and unbiased people on this website. 

Is it not revealing that these individuals who are attacking and slandering Irandokht so unfairly, have been happy to ignore non-Iranians masquerading under Iranian names, issuing lines and directions in relation to the protest movement in Iran?

David ET - Who are you (or I) to say what Iranian people must or must not do and whom they should now choose as their leader?!  I am not saying we can't express a view as individuals outside the country, but to give directives .....?!


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What Stress?

by KouroshS on

Don't use stress as an excuse! As i was reading through the comments, it automatically dawned on me that oh my god! here we go again. Here is another shiney example of  a needless bickering over absolutely NOTHING! It was developing and morphing right before my own two eyes. Some people need to be a lot more open-minded than they think they are. and I hate the fact that perhaps they use such opportunities to clearly show that they have a personal issue with others.

 I seriously doubt that there were any "stolen" moments from Iranian people, "Our "people and their brave struggle. They got and still get and will always get enough attention from us and many TV networks. To not heed other news is to overly obssess over this topic and that is indicative of an unhealthy mind. The message has been received. They are in our hearts and in our minds, We sympathize with their Loved ones who lost their lives...We share their grief. The struggle is not going to come to a halt, if we take our eyes off The tv or computer screen, or stop thinking about it and pay attention to other items in the news.


Mehrban

Impatient!?

by Mehrban on

IRANdokht, you have shown tremendous grace under fire.


IRANdokht

Arash and Golbaang

by IRANdokht on

You guys made my day :o)

You're both right, it's a stressful time and we should all unite and show support for Iran and Iranians.

Thank you so much! and I am sorry if I seemed a little impatient.

IRANdokht


Golbaang

ID jan

by Golbaang on

you are just a wonderful person, and I respect and think very highly of you. don't pay too much attention to every comment, because  really everybody is stressed.

 


Arash_1970

I am here too Irandokht !

by Arash_1970 on

You have more that one friend here. Super friends unite !!

 Group hug :-)?


IRANdokht

Golbaang jan

by IRANdokht on

Thank you! I mean it :o)

I am still surprised that 3 news posts were about Farrah Fawcet on that same day, and one of my many news posts (I post almost every day) is attracting so many negative comments about my character, while nobody is against the repeated FF news.

IRANdokht


Golbaang

ایراندخت

Golbaang


Just wanted to say, you have a friend here!


David ET

I agree too , in my view

by David ET on

The Michael jackson thing was out of line by both Iran Dokht and JJ and soon JJ realized it and substituted it with a more appropriate and actually good video clip of Iranian movement with  BEAT IT song of MJ

As for ID , I was not surprised to see her rush with the news etc as if the rest of media were not going to cover it 24/7. She does "flow" at times but we just have to accept one another with our pluses and minuses.


IRANdokht

ok I apologize

by IRANdokht on

I guess I did post it here in the news too, but do you really think I had anything to do with it being featured or posted on top of the main page?
I don't recall anyone objecting to 2-3 news items posted about the death of Farrah Fawcet the same day. How am I supposed to take this type of critique not personal?

IRANdokht


Ali Lakani

No khordeh hesab with anyone

by Ali Lakani on

It's funny because in fact I couldn't remember who had posted the Michael Jackson news item here! I just remembered having seen it on the first page and seeing it at the top of the site, too. I went back and checked just now and unless I am mistaken, you had posted the news item. So it wasn't a comment, it was an actual news item as I though I remembered it:

//iranian.com/main/news/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-died-heart-attack

I have no khordeh hesab with anyone. In fact I don't care at all who posted it and who put it on the front page and who and why it was displayed at the top of the site too. I found the whole thing distasteful and inappropriate in view of the attention it was already stealing from defenseless people on Iranian streets and thought it was most inappropriate for Iranians to be doing this. That's all. I am probably too serious, I know but no hard feelings. Peace.


IRANdokht

PS

by IRANdokht on

Mr Lakani

Since you agree with "MaziarB" please let me know why is it that I am being blamed for Michael Jackson's news?

I posted it as a comment to someone who was wondering why twitter was down (or just slow) and I said probably because of the news about Michael Jackson.

Sometimes JJ picks these videos from comments and posts them, he gives credit to the person who had originally posted it.
It's happened many times with different people.

Or do you have some khordeh hessab with me too that I didn't know about? or just cuz it's fashionable these days?

 

IRANdokht


IRANdokht

Dear Ali Lakani

by IRANdokht on

I don't believe I said that I supported Karoubi. Did I? Let me go read again. I said that he was the most progressive but he didn't have a real shot at gathering a large crowd of supporters.

I wouldn't have voted for kucinich in the primaries either, (even if we could do it in California). Same reason!

Thanks

IRANdokht


Ali Lakani

Mehdi Karroubi

by Ali Lakani on

I agree that Mehdi Karroubi had a more progressive agenda. He also worked a lot harder for this election campaign. He made a party and started his own newspaper when Mousavi was nowhere in sight.

IRANdokht, are you saying that you supported Karroubi but others didn't?!  I thought I read in one of your comments that you weren't going to vote for him, because he was an akhound. Forgive me if I'm wrong. Trying to see what your position is here.

David ET, only one person could be the President, but there can and there should be more than one leader emerging for the next phase of Iranian civil society, building concensus among different groups and providing direction. Karroubi definitely deserves to be one of them, more so than any other akhound I have ever seen.

MaziarB, I agree with you that Iranian.com's 'coverage' of Michael Jackson's death in the middle of all the deaths and sadness in Iran was inappropriate and insensitive. It was bad enough he stole the young Iranian's spotlight; of all places, Iranian.com shouldn't have given him the spotlight too. Nobody came to Iranian.com to read about Michael Jackson, but people came and continue to come here to read about Iran.  Cheraghi ke be khaneh ravast be masjed haram ast.


IRANdokht

Karoubi was the more progressive candidate from the beginning

by IRANdokht on

Unfortunately, due to his age and the turban, he didn't really have a good shot at gathering such big crowds in his support.

He's the one who wants to change the constitution and take out the discriminatory backwards laws.
I am hoping that no matter what happens and who leads the movement that such great ideas would not be dismissed just because the person presenting it happens to be a clergy.

IRANdokht


David ET

Iranians should pass the torch to Karoubi now

by David ET on

Today Mehdi Karoubi with his historical statement took the deserved leadership role of the people's movement and it is now up to the people and the coalition to stand behind him.

I started writing a long article about this and near the end I lost it all and I will attempt at another one but due to the importance of this historical statement, I see the need to at least for now state that the people and coalition should openly show their support of Karoubi's stated positions and assign him the leadership role that he has gained by his actions and active presence in the past few weeks .

I sure hope to very soon hear new slogans of : Karoubi Hedayat, Irani Hemayat

(Karoubi leadership, Iranians support)

I know this comment may lack insufficient backing but I will state my reasons in much detail soon. His presence at Ghobad Mosque few days ago and his humble, couragous , clear and detailed statement today should be the taken as turning signal that I hope Iranians would act upon. 

Karoubi's statement: //www.etemademelli.ir/published/0/00/48/4855/


IRANdokht

Maziar eh?

by IRANdokht on

LOL
I am glad you've found a hobby! Good for you! some may even believe your BS. How's that for lifetime accomplishment?
;-)

Just so you know and it's completely clear, I can come here and post about both my countries, I can come here and post about the Iranian elections and I can speak of American politics and news. It's all relevant to my life.

How about you?

IRANdokht

PS: for the 4th time : it's not spelled "irandocht" 


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karubi

by MaziarB. (not verified) on

Mehdi karrubi is very brave.

he campaigned like a brave man and he is now reacting to the cheating like a brave man.

Some day soon people of Iran will see freedom.

but what's all this to you irandocht? are you a concerned Iranian now?you were celebrating Ahmadinejad's victory on the day after the elections. you'd do better to look for news about Michael Jackson and other celebrities in Hollywood like you do.you just want the attention so it makes no difference for you if its Ahmadinejad, karubi, Michael Jackson or antyhing else. It's never about Iran or Iranian people.We see you for you are transparent.