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Mehrdad

Thank you for your response.

I think Saudis regime is scare of IRI because IRI encourage Saudi people to rise up against their puppet governments.

Saudi is an undemocratic dictatorship that throws bones at its population. Just enough to keep them happy. IRI is a pain for them for the reasons you said. However I must say that Saudi people are probably better off under their puppet regime than an IRI like system. After all which is better: a benevolent dictaorship or a malevolent one? IRI is both dictaorial and evil. Saudi is dictatorial but mindful of its people IMHO it is better for its people than any other present option.

Lastly, as I have argued in the past, if US was really serious about
promoting democracy in the world, it has to start at no other place but
Saudi Arabia. And the fact that they have not destroyed that regime
yet, is beyond me as this regime is directly responsible for the 9/11
atrocity.

I wonder about 911 and how much Bush was involved. It sure gave him the excuse to attack Iraq.  I would not put it beyond Bush to have engineered the whole damn thing.I know it sounds conspiratorial but it is probably true.

Dear Stupid Iranian Left

Unbelievable. Even when you have been presetned with compelling  evidence that Arab opinion is against Iran, the best argument the  Islamophiles and philo-Arabs on this site masquarading as Iranians can come up with is 1) that Saudis are puppet governemtns of the United States and Israel 2) The Arab petty dictators is out of touch with its people.

So because the Arab states in the PERSIAN GULF are oppsoed to the Islamic Republic they must be in the pocket of Israel.

1) Therefore, FDR was a Communist because he joined forces with Staln to thrwat Hitler. Or is it the other way round? Because Nixon went to China he must therefore be a Communist. Because Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez are pals with the IR then they must be Islamist terrorists. The Saudis and Israelis are still arch enemies and you can weave your conspiracy theories until the cows come home but it doesn't fly. 

2) Granted that King Fahad and the rest of the Arab rulers are corrupt dictaors installed by the West but do you believe that Arab public opinin towards Iran is any different? Did you forget the most popular pan-Arab nationalist such as Gamal Abdel Naser who was hated by the Brits and Americans claiemd Arab sovreignty over entire Khuzestan and the Persian Gulf which inspired Saddam Hussein's ill fated 1982 invasion of Iran? Would a popular Arab government of Hamas which won the overwhelming majority of Palestinian votes in Gaza make them more sympathetic to Iran's independent national status? Did you fotget that Hamas signed the charter to rename the Persian Gulf as well as claiming Arab sovereignty over Tunbs and Msua Island. Does it suprise you that the popular Hassan Nasrollah does not recognise Iranian culture and claims we are Arabs? Does it not surprise you that the popular Hezbollah group supported claims to turn the Persian Gulf into the Arabian Gulf? 

The majority of Arab public opinion may be favourable towards Iran having a nuclear weapon in light of growing hostilities between Arabs and Israelis (more than 50 percent saisd thety opposed a nuclear Iran a year ago) but this not an endorsement of Iran as a sovereign nation or challenge the bigoted attitude of Arabs towards Iranians. 

Anyway, the Philo-Arabs and fake Iranians on this site will continue to bang the drums of war for the sake of Palestine and passionately advocate Islamic causes.  Carry on pumping money into Mecca, Medin and Islamic shrines and all the while the Arabs scorn you. Come on, lets see you call for boycott of Arab countries, disinvestment of the puppet Arab regimes of the Persian Gulf. Let me see Ahmadinejad demonise the Saudis as he does Israel.

Stupid Iranian Left. I honestly despise the lot of you. 

Bavafa

Oh! That looks like sooooo much fun. I've built many motorcycles and a few cars, but never an airplane. I'd absolutely love to build one. 

Thanks for taking the time to show me those links. I'm gonna go back and study 'em some more now....

SP: if you are interested in building or learning the process

here is a couple of sites that have done a good job in documenting their build.

The first one is really good.

//www.rv7factory.com/index.php

//www.jeffsrv-7a.com/

Mehrdad

bavafa, you're asking too

bavafa, you're asking too much now.  if you ask this badbakht tahgord questions, you cannot separte him from his family.  dont you know?... if he doesn't live through his family, he has nothing to say.  so if his aunt goes to iran, it's like he has.  if his cousin went to school to iran, then he has.... and so on... :)

Bavafa

There isn't a current CC limit for motorcycles that I know in Iran. Like I said, I know of a motorcycle club in Tehran with many large displacement bikes and the owners are not military/security types, just rich kids.

You can upload your plane pics at imageshack, and link to them on your blog post:

//imageshack.us/

Anyway, hope you change your mind one of these days. I'm very much interested in the plane. 

SP: As requested I will not ask any follow-ups

Only to remind you that my questions were for YOU and not your family.

We have an expression in Farsi… "goyam pedart to bovad fazeh, az fazel pedar tora che hassel"

you may want to cosult with family as what it means.

Anyway, since I am in denial

I had a Yamaha 400 (Endure) which I loved greatly just like any kids would do but I could not ride it any more when IRI came to power. If I am not mistaking, any bike larger then 250cc was outlawed for people but not for Basij or Sepah. Mine was simply two big to (400CC) and it was confiscated once.

As for the blog about my plane…

I am not really any good in writing, but I have lots of pix as it is required to document the building process for getting the airworthiness. I even don't know how to add it to IC as a pix documentary, nor think many are interested in this sort of things.

Mehrdad

Bavafa

when was the last time you visited Iran?

Our family last visited in 2009. 

When was the last time you had conversation with Iranians inside Iran?

Happens regularly.

When was the last time you went to a government agency in Iran to get some work done?

The last occasion of such dealings was this year (at the Interests Section). They were helpful. 

When was the last time you passed thru one of many check points on your way home or work by IRI?

I don't live in Iran, and I'm not aware of an array of checkpoints aside from enhanced security during special events or specific instances of crowd control.

When was the last time you took your bike for a ride in Iran?

Unfortunately, that's been a long time. My cousin had a Yamaha 360 Enduro I rode. I wonder what ever happened to that thing. 

When was the last time you went to a pub in Iran? You like to go to pub, don't you?

No, I'm respectful of the social norms in Iran. Just like I wouldn't light a bonfire in the middle of my street here in the US during Chaharshanbe Suri, or beat my bare back publicly here in the US during Ashura. 

Do you know if you can own a bike, the type you like to ride in Iran?

There's a motorcycle club in Tehran, with guys riding large-displacement sportbikes and cruisers just like here in the US, only there are not so many. No Harleys, either. But there are some nice bikes. The club was even featured recently in a pictorial at FARS.

How much time did you spend under the rule of IRI?

The last family visit was close to 3 months. 

I will be very interested to learn about you by hearing your answer to these questions?

There you have it, buddy. But please, don't put me through an endless procession of follow-up questions trying to trip me up. Be a heads up guy. 

I've a  request of you, Bavafa. How about a detailed blog post from you on your airplane, complete with pics? That I'm very much interested in.

Sargord: yeap I am in denial and you are in touch with reality?

Tell me Sargord,

when was the last time you visited Iran?

When was the last time you had conversation with Iranians inside Iran?

When was the last time you went to a government agency in Iran to get some work done?

When was the last time you passed thru one of many check points on your way home or work by IRI?

When was the last time you took your bike for a ride in Iran?

When was the last time you went to a pub in Iran? You like to go to pub, don't you?

Do you know if you can own a bike, the type you like to ride in Iran?

How much time did you spend under the rule of IRI?

I will be very interested to learn about you by hearing your answer to these questions?

Perhaps you can prove the skeptical crowd like me and others on IC that you know actually know more about Iran and Iranians and I along with so many others are in denial.

Just don't keep me in suspence for too long please? My heart can't take it.

Mehrdad

Bavafa

You're in denial, buddy. 

VPK I totally agree that IRI is not the same as Iran or Iranian

If any thing IRI = Saudi Sheikh [royal] family which is nothing but backward, undemocratic, leeches, scumb of the earth.... I guess you get my point right?

But bombing IRI will result in first killing many many Iranians, secondly will result of destroying any Iranians opposition to IRI and unit around their governments and protect Iran.

I think Saudis regime is scare of IRI because IRI encourage Saudi people to rise up against their puppet governments.

Lastly, as I have argued in the past, if US was really serious about promoting democracy in the world, it has to start at no other place but Saudi Arabia. And the fact that they have not destroyed that regime yet, is beyond me as this regime is directly responsible for the 9/11 atrocity.

Mehrdad

Mehrdad

First of all I am not trying to defend any Arabs. However wanting IRI destroyed is not the same as having Iran destroyed. Some would even argue that IRI *is* the one destroying Iran.

Sure bombing is very damaging however I don't think it proves Saudi want us destroyed. They just want IRI gone and they don't care if a lot of Iranians get killed in the process. Now to why: Yes Saudi is scared of the IRI ideology. Not so much because it is representative of Iranians. But because it appeals to the same Islamists insanity they promote. Except that it is a RIVAL form of insanity. Of course they are not trying to help us! The Irony is that IRI ideology is more representative of Saudi than Iranian people.

Solution: USA should invade Saudi. Then install a "democracy" there. Followed by elections where AN & the other IRI thugs run. They will all win with a landslide and get their Islamist paradise. Meanwhile they can move OUT of Iran to their real home which is Saudi. 

"Q's bad manners and

"Q's bad manners and insults are typical of the Left. I am not surprised he insulted my aunt - it speaks volumes of his upbringing"

So, do we agree that insulting one's family is a reflection of that person's upbringing? Right Simorgh? You need to be thinking about that?

Back on the subject, is any of us surprised by this revelation that some if not most Arab governments want Iran destroyed? Are any of these Arab governments are remotely representative of their population or govern in such way that would be any beacon and example for Iranian. Is there any [real] difference between these governments and IRI regime?

We need to ask ourselves, are we cheering because Saudi Arabia king along with other Arab dictator want Iran bombed.

Will Iranian be free as a result of these bombing?

P.S. despite much disagreement I have had with VPK, I have appreciated that he has ALWAYS been honorable to refrain from insults.

Mehrdad

Kharmagas

I have always condemned use of insults not matter who does it. To me it does not matter who started it. The point is to stop firing insults and start using reason. Do you disagree?

BTW: I personally do not find "Khaak be saret" a real insult. But to be fair I rather not see *any* insults. There are enough faults with all of us to pick at. We do not need instults when reality will be just fine! 

Simorgh

I have noticed that Iranian left does get like this. Not all of them but a good number. They react as if they know everything. If you disagree they insult you. This happened to my cousin after he joined them in the 70s. It must be something about the ideology or how they brainwash their members.

Sort of an "if you don't agree you are stupid or Zionist or whatever". I see it all the time in my debates. Please note I am talking about Iranian left. American left is a rather different beast and I do not want to get distracted with them right now.

The left needs to first condemn the IRI. Some mainly the secular ones to their credit have done so. Others specially the Islamist left refuse to see the obvious and do so. By defensing the indefensible they discredit themselves.

Simorgh, take the time to

Simorgh, take the time to read the leaked docs (only 220 have been released so far). 

It's amazing the level of coordination and concord between Israel, Egypt, Jordan, the UAE and Saudi Arabia.  

What comes as something of a shock is the stereotypical childishness displayed by some of these Arab monarchs.  

morghi jaan can you tell me "Khak Bar Saret"? (to VPK)

VPK, you may be too delusional to see it, but some of us see who was the person who first used the "Khak Bar ....". BTW, yaadesh be kheir when I was doing dokhtar baazi in esfahan, many times the girls told me 'Khaak bar  saret ...' , ...., it was like music in my ears! 

VPK, spare me your double standards

Personal insults, including the very "khak bar sar" language started below by known war advocate Simorgh. "ammat" is a well known figure of speech in farsi, doesn't literally mean your aunt. Either you didn't know, or you're being cute in a tasteless way.

Saudis and US are allies. US and Israel are allies. Saudis, Egyptians and other Arab puppet states woldn't last a day without US/Israeli support. They are basically working together against the interest of their own people and against Palestinian people. These are facts that were true long before Wikileaks and Iran's nuclear program.

That's your reasoned argument.

VPK

Q's bad manners and insults are typical of the Left. I am not surprised he insulted my aunt - it speaks volumes of his upbringing.

VPK

Q's bad manners and insults are typical of the Left. I am not surprised he insulted my aunt - it speaks volumes of his upbringing.

Q

Insulting people again? Now after Simorgh's aunt? How about bringing some well reasoned argument. 

The Saudi are scared of the Islamist ideology of IRI. They want to corner the market on insanity themselves. IRI is a Shia rival for Sunni insanity. So the two nuts do not like one another. Put them both away in the dustbin of history. Or better have them go at it on the Sauid desert and sell tickets for us to watch. 

i'm with simorgh

every time..

damet garm 

Q

You are on a loooooooooooooooooooosing streak every time. Just like that fool of a loser on your avatar. Your consiracy theories and your lame arguments to defend the crooked regime are so transparent and an undergraduate in political science can wipe the floor with you in a debate.

Khak to sare ammat

Saudis are allied with Israel, you fool!

When have any of us ever defended Saudis or other Arab puppet states of the West? Of course they hate Iran, because they are afraid of their own people.

You are so clinically deluded, it's not even funny anymore.

Khak Bar Saretun

Let us see the apologists of the Islamic Terrorist regime and the stupid Iranian Left justify their Zionist conspiracy theories when the leaders of three Arab countries Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain have been buoying on Obama to bomb Iran. You throw money into Lebanon and champion the Palestinians even at the risk of war with Israel and this is the way your Arab brothers repay you. This is not the least bit surprising given the hostility of Arabs towards Iran from their claim over the Persian Gulf and the small islands under Iranian sovereignty. Oh, and did I mention their support of Saddam Hussein?

At least Israel has the guts to say what it means in public and not like the cowardly Arab leaders like King Abdullah who embraces Ahmadinejad publicly. To think how much money Iranians pour into Mecca and Medina for Haj every year! What suckers!!!!!!!!!!!!

Khak barseretun konam. If Iran is bombed let us see how many of your Arab brethren will come to your defence!  

People like Q, Molla Nasradeen, Amir Kabir, No Fear and Sargord have egg on their face. Add some tomatoes and mushrooms and you can fry an omelette on it.