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I am having ONE conversation

I am having ONE conversation with you- it is about you getting your facts straight. You claimed Iran got declassified weapons while Israel got classified weapons. Well, FYI the F-14 and its systems were highly classified, and remained so for over a decade after the Shah left (even today it remains one of the most formidable fighter planes in the world and is on the threat list of all US pilots in the region). It was even more classified than anything the Israelis had. And there were other highly classified systems transferred to Iran. Now since you seem to know for a fact that Israel received weapons that were certainly more classified than what Iran got, you would care to share those with us? Otherwise, it is YOU who needs to fathom the meaning of declassified, as you make big claims and cannot back them up.

As far as your opinion about Iran's armed forces being a house of cards, you would be well advised to take a look in Iran today, and see that they still operate weapons from that era, using that same system and command structure. So obviously it didn't fall apart at the command of General Huyser or any American. They just didn't update it like they should have, so now everything is old. When you make such statements, you belittle the thousands of your dedicated countrymen who worked hard and sweat and died to build a truly professional armed force, and you are being namak nashnass and extremely undeserving. That very "house of cards" saved your and and my an all our family's rear during the 8 years war against everything that the French and the Soviets could give the Iraqis. Have you ever wondered why Kharg island wasn't completely destroyed? Or why Iran's airports and refineries were running throughout the war? Would a house of cards (especially one whose entire command and structure was wiped out by mullahs and was under worldwide embargo) be able to defend all these against an Iraq armed to the teeth by Arabs, Soviets,+Europeans? Did you know for example that the "house of cards" you describe was responsible for destroying 600 Iraqi planes trying to bomb Iran (over 150 of them were destroyed by the "declassified" F-14's..)? Do you even begin to realize the debt you owe to these people?

You don't need to have a fetish, you just need to have a basis for what you say, and you need to be fair. Do you have a basis for your claim of "declassified weapons" transferred to Iran, and that weapons transferred to Israel were more classified than those transferred to Iran? Because so far you have not provided even one example. And if you continue to not back up your claim, you have a lot of Gall. When I hear people like you I feel bad for the heros who died for us. Maybe they just should have left the country and had a nice life, and let the likes of you fall to the Arabs.

what facts?!

Fair, I'm not sure whether you're engaged in two different conversations at the same time or deliberately were trying to take this discussion off a tangent! My original point was about an army that was -- as depicted in the propoganda footage -- put together by a foreign power and dismanteled on the same foreign power's orders. You, however, have made a cse about F14s and F16s... I'm not even sure if you fathom the definition of the term 'declassified'.

I made a point of the U.S. selling declassified weapons to Iran, while providing Israel with classified weapons and financial aid in adition! Now, you started throwing names in. Considering the fact that I do not share your fetish for fighter planes, I assume you must have considered F14 -- that was developed in the late 1960s and employed by the Shah's army in the mid 1970s (and possibly F16 on hypethaticl basis) a classified weapon.

At the cold war era "classified weapons" were the weapons that the enemy did not have the knowledge of or at least not about the specs. These weapons remained classified until they were outed by the spies or eventually trumped by new versions in line. That's when these weapons surfaced in military exhibits and/or air shows. I'm not sure what you are trying to prove here by bringing up the F14 that could relate to my original point of the Shah's imperial army being a house of cards that collapsed when general Huyser ordered it to!

Get Real Ajam

Not only your facts are dismally wrong, you are also extremely namak nashnas.

First of all, YOU are the one who claimed "declassified weaponry" not me. I just corrected your mistake, and clearly you don't like it. By changing the subject, you just show how little respect for the truth and credibility you have.

Maybe if you were in Dezful or Andimeshk in 1980 you would rethink how much of a "fairy tale" it was. Thanks to this "fairy tale" Saddam Hussein was kicked back behind the border with his tail between his legs, and you and I are still speaking Farsi. And those people died flying those "fairy tales" so you can sit here today and theorize about masters and puppets.

And stop blaming the US for the overthrow of the Shah. It was IRANIANS by the millions who called for his departure, and explicitly called for an Islamic government led by Khomeini. Furthermore, the US military didn't make the F-16's, General Dynamics did. And Iran would have received them even AFTER the Shah left had Khomeini not cancelled the order (so late that they could not even claim the money back), and CHOSE to take hostages. This is not about masters and puppets, this is about your false allegations which totally neglect the CHOICES our country's leaders made for our country, and pathetic attempt to shift responsibility. Period. The USA is not obligated at all to help arm and enable countries that are hostile to it. Khomeini chose the path of conflict with the west, a path which continues until today. So when you ask for conflict and get it, don't cry.

Get your facts straight instead of attacking people. When you have strong opinions and weak facts, it indicates your disregard for REALITY and strong tendency towards HOT AIR. And therefore you are hardly an authority to tell anybody about fairy tales.

Fwhat?!

Dear fair, sorry to have disturbed your pleasant day-dream! Yes you are right, the U.S. military made F16s for Iran exclusively while it was planning to shake the shah down..., and then handed them over to Isarel...! I guess you've entirely missed my point! My point is not about F-whatevers or whether they are/were scraps, it's rather about the masters and the puppets...the masters who loosen the strings when necessary and pull back when expedient, and the puppets who can only jump and thrust as much as the strings allow them!

As a kid, I used to root for the prince to slay the dragon and free the princess... Now, I look at it as a token of the by-gone era... Enjoy your fairy tale!

Ajam- Pathetic Indeed!

Hey Ajam, get your facts straight. Declassified weapons? Do you know what you are talking about? There were weapons coming to Iran that most NATO members didn't have access to! Need I remind you of the F-14, the AWACS deal, the F-16's (which were made for Iran FIRST before Israel, and Isreal got Iran's when Bazargan+his bosses cancelled the order), and many more such examples. To this day, no other country in the world received F-14's, and Iran is the only country in the world to fly them even today.

I am sick of Iranians rewriting history like this, so many people accused the Shah of buying "ahan pareh" with petro dollars when they have no clue. Of course, I don't see many Iranians today complaining of mullahs buying true garbage from China and North Korea...

Be Fair!

Pathetic!

Only a nostalgic fool can be aroused by a piece of cheap propoganda as this. Even Americans themselves must've been gleeful inside as to how easily excited their foot-soldiers were! Such fools take pride in being their American masters' second in line (to Israel) to receive their declassified weaponry in exchange for petro-dollars -- while Israel recived top grade weapons plus cash! The U.S. gave some room to shah's "imperial army" to manoeuver as " the gendarme of Persian gulf" while keeping it on a short leash by ensuring that Israel maintains air and ground military superiority over it...

Despite their mindsest stuck in the cold war era, these cheerleaders of the glory past do not realize that Americans and Soviets (their power struggle notwithstanding) considered their proxies as disposable pawns who could at any time be sacrificed in a move to advance their iterests towards the final check-mate. Hence The U.S. disposal of the Shah in an expediant move vis a vis the looming public dissent to foment a Saudi-style Islamic fervor as a means of leverage against the Soviets while ensuring the free flow of oil. Otherwise, why else woud an independant, sovereign army succumb to foreign order to dismantle as the "royal army" did in 1979? Why else would general Huyser have such a power?

Having exhausted the hypothetical scenarios as to "what would've happened if..." to perpetuate the pre-1979 status, the nostalgics whose loyalty lies with their king before their country (e.g. Khoda, Shah, Mihan) and who balme people of Iran (i.e. those not loyal to HIM) for losing their "crowned father," now hang onto thier benefactor, the Uncle Sam himself, to bomb Iran (I mean akhoonds!) and restore the good ole days! Then, and only then, can a new generation of "pure Aryans" prevail in the abscence of Moslims, Arabs and Commies to relive the King of Kings' glorious reign over the noble land!

How pathetic...!!!

Regarding Salty, he is correct

Salty is a true scholar, with a Phd degree in Bullshitology from SUNY. He is an expert in recognizing all families of asses from the Cypress breed to the Argentinean packer mule. So If he says that JC is a pompous ass and a bullshit artist, he is definitely right. Salty is also right by recognizing that Mr. Carpenter aka Milano is blessed with the ability of speaking from his ass!
Salty is also a great lover and has a penis the size of my right leg.
It’s all true or my name is not Vinny
God bless chesty, and why not?

Regarding John Carpenter, he is correct

John Carpenter's family and ancestors were involved in the darbar of 2 dynasties in Iran and 2 Spiritual leaders in Iran. His lineage helped keep the satus quo from the Qajars until Khamenei. He knows his stuff. To discount what he is sayong would be wrong. he has all the inside information behind the scenes in Tehran, Qom and everywhere in Iran.

LOL, so that's where you get

LOL, so that's where you get your "FACTS" from?! "darbar" of Gahjar dynasty?! What is your "facts" anyway? so far you have not presented anything but nonsense, show me your facts and what they are based on! Maybe you think whatever you mumble becomes "fact" autoimatically! That's very convenient! Let me tell you about my fact: you are a moron who thinks of himself as an expert because he used to live in ghajar stable! how pathetic one can be to take proud of being part of most corrupt and most disgusting family in the history of Iran!

SORRY J.C

Wow, JC i did not know that I was at the presence of aristocracy and such noble lineage. A memeber of Qajar darbar. That and I think two bucks these days can get you a ride on NYC subway. Apparently you(meaning you and the voices in your head) knew alot of things from the fall of Reza shah to who really killed JFK. But apparently there is one thing that you dont know, and that is the fact that you are a certified gade A Jackass!
So go fuck yourself and your lineage. And why not?

Regarding Iran prior to 1925

Let us talk about Iran. The Carpenter family traces its lineage to Northern Tehran. My ancestors on my father's side entered Tehran with the Qajar Dynasty in the late 1700s. My ancestors were high members of the Darbar for sveral centuries. We knew the Pahlavis were going to fall. We knew that Reza Khan would be sent to exile by England. We knew that Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was "politely asked" to leave the country in January 1979. We knew ahead of time that Ayatollah Khomeini would return. We knew personally General Hossein Fardoust, General Gharabghi and other Generals who permitted the Ayatollah Khomeini to Return to Tehran in February 1979. The comment that the Shah's Army was weak is a historical fact. As an Iranian born in the United States I will repeat this known fact. You can like the statement, dislike the statement. The statement is true and is based on objective history.
The head of the Qasr Prison was Sarhang Mohsen Moghaddam, he still lives in Iran. He was an Iranian Colonel. I know many of these people personally, don't try to re-write history. I know the capabilities of the Shah's Army and the Islamic Republic's of Iran's Army that came into being after 1979. And all you are saying is just ignorance of the real facts. If I give you enough space, you'll try to convince me that the Persian Empire and Alexander the Great still exist. Buddy, Get a life; and call me up when you do.
President Carter's abandonment of the Shah was a great decision.
President Reagan's and Vice President Bush's Arms deal with the Islamic Republic of Iran known as Iran-Contra was an awesome idea.
President Clinton's relaxing of the embargo on Iran was brilliant. President Clinton relaxed the embargo on Iranian Rugs, Caviar, and Persian Gulf Tuna. And that was good stuff.
People in George W. Bush camp are thinking about direct talks with Ayat'Allah Khamenei, and that is a great idea.
In the end, the United States of America is the best, forget about the rest.
America is about freedom of speech and press, capitalism, buying cheap barrels of Oil from the Middle East. And living it up. This is America buddy! Merry Christmas.

God bless America. And why not?

HEY J.C.

Hey John you are absolutely right. Now go and take your Medications like a good boy, dont forget your Lithium this time!

John Carpneter

May a big buffalo fuck you in the ass so that some wisdom can kick into your empty head. Otherwise , you belong to the corn fields of Kansas......

Also, don't be so funcking idiot and arrogant and make statements about a culture and a nation, which you have hardly any clue of........

قوچان و کومونيزم

ائن قوچانئان بودند که جلوئ کومونئستها ائستادند، جنگئدند، و خراسان را از تصرف قرمزها نجات دادند.  البته ائن مبارزه رشئدانه قوم شرئف قوچان فقت نضامی نبود،بلکه سئاسئ و مردمئ هم بود. ضرورئ بود که اقدامات نا مطلوبئ هم به انجام برسند، منجمله کله برئدن کلنل پسیان. ائن داستانئ طولانئ است.  فقت مئخواهم به ائن اقائان به اصتلاه روشنفکر بگوئم که بئخود سعئ نکنئد که تارئخ را تجدئد کنئد. ماجرا به ائن سادگئ که مغز کوچکه شما فکر مئ کند نبود.
                              سردار کل قوچان              

Khaateraat

My father often talked about his memories of the American Advisors (The Green Berets)while he was in the Daneshkadeh Afsari. He worked with them in Tabriz and Rezaeeh and described them as honest, intelligent, and disciplined.

Thank you for making our country strong

I am not even a monarchist, but fairness says that I and any objective Iranian give credit where it was due-to the previous regime in Iran for building a strong armed forces which happened to save our butts from Saddam. Mullahs did NOTHING to strengthen our defenses, only their own pockets. We fought 8 years to not lose Arvand Rood, but mullahs handed over so much of the Caspian (a much more important body of water) without a squeak- this is the modern day Torkaman Chai. Now they are setting us up for a devastating attack and isolation by the west. Whatever your disagreements with the Shah, I at least thank him for giving us 37 years of peace, a growing middle class, and a positive international image, none of which we have today.

God bless all soldiers of IRAN.

Who the hell are you?

You are the king of idiots yourself. You stupid , Heife noon! AMerica doesn't need you either, go to hell!

The Shah's Army was WEAK

The Shah was the worst. Mohammad Reza Pahlavi did not know what he was doing. Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was not a college graduate. Reza (Pahlavi) Khan was uneducated. How this father and son became monarchs of Iran from 1925 until 1979 is just absurd. The father and son both died in the continent of Africa. I believe the Pahlavi dynasty was a disgrace to the Iranian people, Iranian history and Iranians everywhere. Thank God they are both dead and the monarchy was abolished once and for all in 1979.
America abandoned the Shah in 1979 because the US came to the conclusion that the Pahlavis were idiots. After Mohammad Reza Pahlavi died in Egypt President Reagan permitted Farah Pahlavi to live in the United States as long as the Pahlavi family pays income tax in the United States and helps the US economy. Mohammad Reza Pahlavi's son Reza Pahlavi is a Permanent Resident of the U.S. and has a green card. He has lived in the US longer than he ever did in Iran. God bless America. And why not?

TO : SALTY, AMIR AND ANONYMOS...

DAMETAN GARM.

Exactly

Anonymous1326!

Thanks for your timely comment. You are exactly right!
All we are bearing tody is because of these filthy leftists, commies, islamists which they trained and to this day continue to support, and other enemies of Iran.
May they all rot in hell.
Thanks again.

there is no end to communist BS!

During vold war era, any army which was not from a communist country was assumed to be a proxy for Americans by those who favored communist camp and vice versa. Those days are passed and we know now that the operation of Iranian army in Zofar was in best interest of Iran's integrity if there is a shred of patriotism in us. Zofar was attacked by communist guerilla forces from territory of Yemen which itself was in deep communist sh*t at that time and based on report from one of the founders of cherk-haye fadayee khalgh-e Iran who had spent some time there in those days, was one of the poorest nations that he had ever seen!

Iran's military operation in Zofar helped expanding influence and mission of Iranian army as a dominant force in the region and the only people who did not like it, were the enemies of Iran which came from different camps. Thanks to that operation, the roots of communism movement was dried out in that part of the world but no thanks to stupidity of leftist Iranian groups and clueless leadersip of so called opposition in those days, Iran was brought down to these dark days. The stupidity of claims like Iran being proxy of United States becomes more obvious by passing of every day but the shamelessness in those who lead our nation to the paradise of Islamic regime has no end to it!

To SALTY

Boro jamesh kon. kone laghe Todeh va MKO kesafat. Iran is standing on her own feet and doesn't need your arbabs and masters anymore.

TO JAMESH KON COMMIE PINKO!

Yeah, and that kept US and other superpowers out of the region. Or you rather USSR would have gobled up the whole region. Since your comments stink of being a Todeh or MKO traitor!

Jamesh kon haji

This army was the proxy of US. Do you remeber the Zofar war where Iranian forces sent to Omaan to save soltan Ghaboos from yamani's attack.

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