Pictory

TO Ex-Muslim

What a BS story you made up! Please, please, keep your day job, as you will NEVER become a good fiction writer! You are horrible! You have no writing creativity at all!
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I read your story, but it's boring! If you write fiction and you want people to actually believe it, you got to do much better than this!
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What a bullshit!

Alborzi says that "I did not

Alborzi says that "I did not go to Iran for 31 years, because both my father and sister were jailed and my sister passed away under torture"
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You lie good! If you are not lying, then you are a total "bi gheyrat" for staying away and not going back to Iran.
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What a loser you are!

We are "strange"!!!!!!

On one hand we want America's hands to be off our motherland, and on the other we keep blaming a U.S. president for not getting involve in our personal affairs?!?! Baba jan, get over it. Stop blaming what happened to our country on Carter. He did what other presidents should have done 26 years earlier. He stayed neutral!!! Look around you folks. In all, carter was the most "human" president of all who allowed us to go ahead with our "revolutionary" plans (or whatever you like to call it), good or bad!!!

To Anonymoose

You wanted to know how I was terrorized by SAVAK. Here is one case:
They had already arrested my friend on suspicion of being anti-government. He later told me that after two days in Jail, beating and electrical shock, he confesses that he and I had been reading some banned books by Russian authors. Books such as “Poor Folk” and “insulted and injured” by Dostoyevsky. Anything that had to do with the plight of the poor was labeled “Socialistic” and banned by the Government. On the third day of his arrest, SAVAK showed up at my house, one of them holding my friend’s arm. My friend’s face clearly showed what he gone thru. They said they wanted to search my room. I had already hidden my books so I asked them to go ahead. The man in charge and four other men with machine guns entered my house. Two men with machine guns stayed downstairs, the other two and the man in charge pushed me upstairs toward my room. They turned my room upside-down but found nothing. However what saved me was a copy of Playboy that you could easily buy in Tehran back then. They got excited finding the Playboy magazine. However, they acted as though I was trying to trick them. The man in charge held my wrist and twisted it as far as he could and told me that they are going to let me go now but they will come back. The guy pushed me to the corner of the room and three of them went downstairs. I got up and followed them to make sure my mother was OK. As I looked down I saw that my mother though trembling was offering hot tea to the gunmen downstairs. Believe me incidents like this was done to ordinary people across Iran.

Don't make mistake children

You know I did not go to Iran for 31 years, because both my father and sister were jailed and my sister passed away under torture. However I hold Shah more responsible than the torturers, I hold the king of Iran who lost to Arabs much more responsible than Arabs. I have been wondering about this many times, I think if Khamenei needed a surgery they would let him in. The relation between Shah and USA was like whore and her pimp. She did not realize she was goshad now.
Now go wax that BMW before haji comes home. As they
there is nothing worst than an LA soosool.

STOP CONSPIRACY THEORIES

seriously its getting old. the PEOPLE overthrew Shah, some regretted who came to power, some didnt. all were for an independent Iran. Carter lost his presidency because of Iran and hostages. These are facts.

Stop Genocide of Iranians and Iranian culture

Before it is too late, Stop Genocide of Iranians and Iranian culture.

Alborzi, is the best and

Alborzi, is the best and brightest of the Islamic Republic's elite and he is on his way to democrassy...What a pathetic parrot reciting official line of the IRI. Don't the Islamists ever use their own brain cells?

Theories of Revolution,

Theories of Revolution, group dynamics and organization

//stinet.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&meta...

Abstract : This thesis is in the form of a literature review of the theories advanced by both academics and revolutionaries of why and how a revolution occurs. The thesis is in two parts: the first part describes theories devised by academics to explain why revolutions occur. These theories are divided into three categories based on the level of analysis chosen by the academic. The second half of the thesis deals with the organizational choices made by revolutionaries. These choices amount to the development of a theory, not always explicit, on how revolutions occur. I divide the field into those revolutionaries who choose centralized versus decentralized organizational forms, and those who rely on mass movements versus those who concentrate on actions by elites. The major conclusions of the thesis are that no single level of analysis is sufficient to explain why revolutions occur, and that the choices of organizational form have more to do with the structural considerations of the environment than the will or wishes of the revolutionaries. I end with a call for more research on the organizational choices of revolutionary movements.

Descriptors : *ORGANIZATION THEORY, *POLITICAL REVOLUTION, GROUP DYNAMICS, LITERATURE SURVEYS, THESES, CIVIL AFFAIRS, GUERRILLA WARFARE, CIVIL DISTURBANCES.

Iran is on the way to democrassy

Iran took a big step and got rid of a Zahak king.
He was just coward idiot and left Iran with jar of earth (he should have saved time and put in his brain), he left decent people in jail to be executed. His policies are like Saudis today. Iran has always trained its rulers and it will rise again, and the guys
who are dreaming of the past are chewing on dog's barf.

Here is your Historical Reality

Jimmy Carter was a MAJOR factor in the 1979 revolution. Don't fool yourselves into believing otherwise. Say whatever you want about the monarchy being puppets of the CIA and such. Iran was the biggest ally of the U.S. in that part of the world, even bigger than Israel ever was, is now, or ever will be. All of you so-called "Zionist Conspiracy" believers also believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, so no one with half a brain truly gives a shit what you think anyway. Here is your historical reality, people.

When the Arabs cut off the oil to the U.S. in 1973, who helped out? Mohammad Reza Shah did. Iran, in turn ended up as arguably the foremost military power in the region. The security of our homeland was assured, as Iran had the hardware to take any aggressor and blow them back into the stone age. And at that time, the only potential aggressors were the Arabs. They hate Persians just as much as they hate Persians.

Jimmy Carter attempted to force Mohammad Reza Shah into selling Iranian crude oil at a fixed price of $8.00 per barrel. When that horse-toothed jackass received the royal bilaakh as his answer, the wheels were set in motion to slowly remove support for the monarchy. Jimmy Carter thought he could deal with the clergy instead, as they had been paid for years by the CIA to maintain the status quo in Tehran. The thinking inside the Oval Office (or more accurately, inside of Carter's peanut sized brain), was that he could trick-fuck these towelheads, because after all, they are just a bunch of stupid foreigners he could easily manipulate into selling oil at a loss and keep them backwards. Typical Democrat.

So, while Carter was at Niavaran Palace toasting Mohammad Reza Shah on New Year's Eve 1978 with his "island of stability" tripe, drinking champagne and eating caviar, he was already well on his way to fucking over his host. Using the bullshit public relations ploy of being concerned about Iran's record on "human rights", the protests and the revolution began. Carter thought he could manipulate that half-Indian son of a whore Moussavi because in Carter's words, "he was a man of God". HAH! In truth, Carter thought if he couldn't get the Shah to sell him oil at $8 a barrel, he'll bring in this so-called cleric and get him to sell the oil at $5 a barrel.

When Carter's advisors saw the real writing on the wall, they knew that that Jimmy was about to have the whole thing blow up in his face. Zbigniew Brzezinski flat out told Carter that Iran was a valued ally and that it would be better to prevent the clergy from taking over.

Carter's response?

"Fuck the Shah, and Fuck Iran."

Everyone knows what happened next. Wait a second. It's STILL happening.

out path forward starts within

Unfortunately our culture is rift with a kind of mentality that only weakens our self reliance.

It is true, Carter could have done more to keep Shah in power. His national security adviser at the time even admits. They say, they should have have supported him and then worked out a gradual path to democracy.

That said, it was us in the streets jumping up and down. We were so ignorant that we believed foreign press (BBC, VOA, etc.) without suspicion. We believed he (shah) was the servant of the west, but never questioned why the western press is not broadcasting against him.

We had bunch of MEK idiots whose only understanding of the socialist revolution was from seeing a Che poster. The romantic notions that are evoked from movies.

We did it to ourselves, and until we stop blaming others, we are not ready for self governance.

Quite a pathetic echo

Quite a pathetic echo chamber with the blog Nazi, Q.

Carter involvement in orchestrtin the revolution has been documented by several authors. The book by William Engdhal describes in excruciating details the complicity of the liberal left and Carter in manufacturing the coup of 1978.

//www.amazon.com/Century-War-Anglo-American-P...

Please don't delete this post as you have done in the previous thread.

To Ex-muslim

If you don't mind sharing, I'd like to know how you were "terrorized" by SAVAK. I'm not being facetious, just curious.

To Q

My sentiments exactly! Once we take responsibility for our actions only THEN can we move on and allow Iran to realize its great potentials for a great motherland.

moose: I have the same feeling

WTF?

The only thing Carter could be blamed for is for not interfering which is what the US should have done from the very beginning. Iranians really need to get a grip on reality and not ascribe every single major event in our history to foreigners.

The only crime here is yet another young Iranian getting his political identity only from his conspiracy-loving parents, and not actual historical reality.

What a bunch of bullshit!

This clown is trying to blame Carter for the Iranian Revolution? What a crock! Boro amoo, kashketo besab!

hear, hear

Plan, Plan, Plan, without bring the past, specially Pahlavi's and religion of any kind. Religion is personal. New constitution that only the law will guide but not rule. One of the ways to do that is to start listening to each other. Freedom and democracy starts at home, listen parents! let your children find their own destiny; don't guilt them into doing things that they don't want to do. Don't love your children so much to suffocate them. If you love them let them go. Be there for them but let them go. Future starts with our kids, boy and girls, no difference. And for heaven sakes abandon the Toarrof, this dishonest exercise. I know this is hard, leave you profane language outside of political discourse.

Bring the Shah down

I was a college student in the 70's in Iran. My friends and I were repeatedly arrested and terrorized by SAVAK only for the crime of reading banned books. SAVAK didn't have mercy on any dissent. This along with corruption in the Pahlavi family and their subservience to their foreign masters, left no base of support for the Shah. Everyone wanted to bring him down even his masters toward the end. No Iranian was thinking what comes next. They imposed Khomeini on Iran to prevent Iran from becoming a Soviet satellite. We should learn a lesson from that experience and not be so obsessed with bringing down IRI without a plan for secular democracy.