Misc

Kaveh

I didn't think I'd be more disappointed than when I read what you said to me about defending the acts despite being a liberal!

but after I read what you wrote to lefty below, (just because s/he brought your own words to your attention) I must say I am saddened.

Why would any self respecting person use those words to address someone who just quoted him?

Did you stoop this low to prove that you would have fought the IRI? Good for you! I'll be cheering you on dear, but please show respect when arguing with people.

IRANdokht

Nouri jan, Nouri

Why go so much road?! Feel better now? I didn't just make up stuff. I quoted you and if you were who you claim to be (fair) you could have said I am sorry I did not mean to say what I said, or if it was misunderstood.

Many make mistakes and rescind their comments. But you don't want to. You want to keep digging in your heels more!

hh

that's what I would normally think too, but he has this not-so-subtle way of insinuating whatever he wants, I had let go his previous statement on another thread:  those who rather suck you than speak their own mind...

You only give someone the benefit of the doubt once.

IRANdokht

Sag-e-chap

Your screen name suits you so appropriately. A little poodle, barely taller than a sewer rat, snapping in some pathetic high pitched squeal reminiscent of the sound made by a child's rubber squeaky toy when squeezed.

Lest we forget your lack of house training, leaving the rest of society subjected to your incessant peeing and crapping of useless comments all over the place, leaving little cyber-peshqels throughout the website as your rotten smelling legacy to remind the world that you were here; that's when your not latching onto someone else's comments in a repetitive manner, like poodles do when they are humping a throw pillow in the living room.

In addition to learning not to piddle on the carpet, try learning reading comprehension. That way you might realize that the comment I made about Iranian men is an observation and an opinion. But such tasks are probably asking too much of you.

Unlike some people who post here, I won't place myself on any kind of ideological pedestal built upon a foundation of pure ego. I am who I am; faults, flaws and imperfections; and people can either accept it or they can go play hopscotch on the freeway.

I wasn't placed on this earth to impress you or to make you feel good about yourself because you can't. Whatever shortcomings I may or may not have are none of your damn business, and certainly if I have any, you are highly unlikely to be of any relevance in addressing them.

IRANdokht

Bijan Khan did not mean 'sexually' aroused. lol

Bijan A M

I am not YT. If I want to comment or respond to you or anybody else for that matter, I use my name that I have always used here - Mammad. Those like you, who were, for whatever reason, interested to know my full name, know it. You should have read enough of my materials to know that I speak my mind freely.

What is the problem? Do you "miss" me that you feel compelled to comment about my "disappearance"? I have not disappeared. I just find the situation with some commentators in this blog too disheartening, not because some people do not think like me. I do not care. I am not out to "convert" anybody. I express my opinion. You want to agree or disagree with it, be my guest. You want to attack me, be even a more respected guest. Use this space to say what you want.

But I do find the state of affairs here discouraging, mainly due to the tone that some people take. Just look at your own comment in which you refer to me. Why me? What does that have anything to do with me? If I write articles and post them everywhere that I think is appropriate with my full name and address, why should I be "afraid" to comment here? What do I have to hide?

Do you think that your arguments are so "solid" and "well-thought of" that I have nothing to say and, therefore, I "disappeared"? With all due respect, sir, and I do mean respect because I have nothing against you even though you keep making all sorts of unfair comments about me, your arguments do not fall in that class.

Once I wrote something about myself, explaining why I think some people attack me so viciously. You copied what I had written and just replaced yourself with me. I responded that if that is how you feel, it is perfectly understandable. You came back with politeness and praise and then called me an extremist, said something insulting about Muslims (for which other people criticized you, but I did not, and you even thanked me for it) and said all sorts of things about Obama - only because his middle name is Hussein - whereas, as I recently brought to the attention of the readers of this column, his first name is quite Jewish. So, I said that what you said is absurd, and that our "debate," or whatever you call it, was not going anywhere and stopped.

You apparently took that as an insult, and started saying unfair things about me, to which I did not respond. I just do not care about such "comments." What can I say, when you, without any basis, just allow yourself to say things about me that I know are not true? On the other hand, if I were to worry about how every single person, who responds to my comments here, thinks of me and my thinking, I'll have to spend all of my precious time, given all the things that I have to do, to respond. In addition to the fact that we are all free to think of others any way we want (and, therefore, responding to personal attacks is not really necessary), responding would not be good use of my time, if I were to spend it responding to everything.

If I said that the debate was not going anywhere, I did not mean that my thinking or argument was superior to yours. There is a point in a discussion when one or both sides realize that the opposing views are so distant that there is no way to narrow the gap. That is when the argument must, in my opinion, stop. That is why I did.

I am happy that your education is close to mine. I wish yours were even higher than mine. May be, then, you would have had a more open mind, though, with utmost sincerity, I doubt it.

Have a good weekend.

Mammad

KouroshS

Master Kourosh,

Any Bourbon in your [bassat]?? if so, on ice with splash of OJ for me plz. (JK sir don't mean to offend you)

For my part, I apologize if I have offended anyone in any shape or form. I have nothing against Master Bijan, but seemingly he THINKS he knows me. I was going to let him remain in his ignorance of thinking that he knows me, but you know what they say: Once a teacher, always a teacher.

So this one's for You Master Bijan:

1. No....... I am not Mr. Mammad, because i know no one can be as [Zesht] as ME.
2. Yes...... I am Muslim.
3. No...... I am not Shia, but if I were Shia, I would PROUDLY say so.
4...... I have been posting here for only 2 weeks.
5...... YT is my real initials.

Master Bijan, If you have any further allegations, innuendos, and etc. please submit them to the committee of my [NOCHEE'S]-(this one is a classic) in triplicate and we will get back to you.

My problem is now I need to round up some [nochee's], any applicants?(jk)

Thanks for the Bourbon
-YT

Kourosh khan

I’ll go for the whiskey. I agree with you that in many of these debates it somehow turns into personal attacks and worthless tit-for-tat. That’s why in MOST instances I will bow out and don’t respond. But, there comes a point where you face a belligerent lie and feel obligated to expose the liar because it is relevant to the heart of the debate. Of course when you expose a lie it upsets the liar, and things can get out of hand from there.

How aggravating do you think it would be if you complement people for their fluency in writing English and some people take your praise of their ability as your being resentful or your being uneducated? I will leave it to fair minded people to judge….  

I have already put in my 2 cents in my initial post and sign off at this time. I will eagerly follow the meaningful posts.   Irandokht, you win again,    Irandokht 100000,  Bijan 0  

You all have a great day

Beejee

I see that you've improved your writing skills. No more triple spacing. Good for you! You are still a freedom fighter though, right?!

Bijan khan

your inappropriate use of some words speaks volume for your education. I had seen you use some nastiness before, and now you are asking me what aroused me???  let me put your mind at ease sir, your answer would be: "nothing you ever say" 

I saw you completely losing it and I showed sympathy for the condition. don't read too much into it.

oh rasti... you have no idea what my level of education is either, but you don't see me showing envy or resentment for the educated ones.

:0)

IRANdokht

Ladies and Gents. Why must

Ladies and Gents.

Why must we turn this or any round of discussion into a venue through which we resort to settle personal scores with each other? This has been going on long enough and in virtually every single Blog.Have you all noticed?
No matter what the topic is. That is precisely why we don't get anywhere and we just get on each other's nerves and Boom! the blog vanishes, without any constructive conclusions.
Amir nasiri's blog was a good one in a sense that it started a healthy round of debate in the beginning, what are the bad things and....not so bad things about IRI And israel Until personal mudslinging began to take over!

Lefty lap and YT and Bijan apparently go way back, or may be eons back, But come on Guys! we are having a nice round of talks in here and We are trying to help kaveh figuer things out:)) Stop acting Like Ninos:)
Now, how about a round of Chayi-ghand-pahloo or Whiskey... or Tequilla?

IRAN-khanoom…. Say what?????

What got you so aroused?....How did I offend you or anybody else. I just posted a deserving response to your idol (if that’s why you are posting). You have no idea about my education level, but I guarantee you it is a lot more than yours (very close to Professor Mammad). What has education level got to do with this? Is this the elitist in you showing its head?

Please let go of this attitude that just because you have been some sort of an activist in your youth or just because you are a bleeding heart liberal, you have anything over the rest of humanity. This kind of arrogance will bite you in spots you may not like it.

Cool down Irandokht, it is not good for your blood pressure…..

Bijan A M

Mr. Bijan
What is it about my postings that frighten you so much?? and what is it about me that has shaken your entire being so bad that you have resorted to these childish and ignorant tactics?

If my postings have given you an avenue to rid your frustration and demonstrate your deep resentment and hatred of Muslims, I am glad i was help to you.

Any other help I can get you please do not hesitate to ask. Me and my Muslim faith are at your service. but please try not to blame your ignorance on me ;o)

cheers dude
-YT

Beeeejan

Akhey! Another freedom fighter gone mad! Heyf nist?!

a friendly suggestion

Bijan khan

Please deal with this anger as soon as possible, I could feel your blood pressure rising by just reading your hateful words.

It seems you have a personal issue with the contributors who have higher education and are articulate. Not sure if it qualifies as hate or just envy.  In any case, I am worried about you.

Maybe you needed a longer break.

Respectfully

IRANdokht

To: YT and his “nocheh”s

Master YT you really showed your level of sophistication in your last post. Sir, you can’t handle criticism and when faced with truth and my exposing your two-faced nature (As I pointed out in Mr. Nasiri’s post that is now deleted from archive), you come back with such nonsensical response, that is reminiscent of stirring a pile of refuse. The more you stir, the stronger the foul odor gets. BTW, I became convinced you are Mammad, when you inadvertently used phrases like “I don’t STOOP as low…” or “I don’t give a HOOT….”. It was too much of a coincident for disappearance of Mammad and appearance of YT with the same mentality, same argument, same writing style, same career (Academia) and same experiences.

Again, Master YT, you don’t have to STOOP that low to bark (Vaagh Vaagh) with the other poodle to score a point. Have a little more respect for your stature in the community.

That teenage poodle is on my ignore list, he can bark and spew all kinds of childish remarks he wants, he will not get a response from me.

So Dr. YT, I hope you and your followers have a great day (even if you may not deserve it).

Noori

"My statement was in response to the assertion that I have resided in a perpetual comfort zone, thereby rendering me unqualified."

BOOGH! WRONG!

You were rendered unqualified because you were blaming the bystanders and feeling comfortable doing so.

Not only that, you felt comfort in blaming others in this website who are clearly against discrimination against women by saying the following:

"For the life of me, I can't figure out why you wouldn't take issue with something like this and are in fact defending it, being the free-thinking liberal you say you are."

And then you went on to dig in your heels further. How should someone take issue? By blaming your shortcomings on others as you'd like to do. Call people elitist when you are elitist. Call people having superiority complex when you like to have it and so on.

YT....Kourosh

YT.......No, you didn't question whether or not I'm "Iranian enough", so if it appeared as though I did, I would like to clarify that, so that there is no misunderstanding.

My statement was in response to the assertion that I have resided in a perpetual comfort zone, thereby rendering me unqualified. I take extreme offense to such an assertion. It reeks of elitism....this superiority complex that I mentioned, with the notion that if a person endured any kind of hardship (in Iranian cases meaning the topic of the original video) that somehow they're wiser, smarter, and better than someone who hasn't.

And it's true, I haven't been in Iran since August 25, 1971. My father considered moving us back, believe it or not, around 1978-1979. (Yes, I know, great timing.) My maternal grandfather was in the U.S. at that time, hoping to get rid of that f**king stomach cancer once and for all, thinking if that didn't work, he would get to see six of his grandchildren one more time. And in the case of my brother, the first time.

It was my grandfather who implored my dad not to go back to Iran. He knew what was in store for the country, and for the people, and what would be in store for us if we went back.

My mom finally went back to visit in 1999. And to paraphrase your last paragraph, she said it was the most beautiful place yet the most depressing at the same time.

Kourosh......the closest I've come to dealing with it firsthand was a couple of times at the Iranian Interests Section office in D.C. My mother was harrassed because her head was not covered (not inside the office but out on the sidewalk on Wisconsin Avenue) and I was getting bullied by a huge guy who wouldn't let me in to renew my passport because I was wearing a short sleeve polo shirt on a typical summer day in DC. My blood has been boiling over these SOBs ever since.

You ask a great question.....why can't we come up with better ways to fight against them. I wish I had an answer. Not necessarily the answer but any answer.

Sometimes I'm left thinking that we've just given up.

Lefty ;o)

Kourosh khan rast mige, bazar BACHE harfesho bezaneh, khodaie nakardeh barash oghdeh mishe yehoie.

Lefty. Dava rah nandaz:)

Bikhial baba. worreesh nabash:)

Beejan

Why do you single space your sentences but triple space the rest?! Is that how freedom fighters write English? or is that another superiority/inferiorty complex?

"I believe Kaveh when he says how he would react if he finds himself in those situations." He never said how he would "react"? He just blamed others in the video!

"Spending some time in Evin and having Opposed the early brutal cleansing of the IRI, or even losing family members, does not automatically make you any more qualified to speak about human rights"

How about manually?!

Kaveh, re: comfort zone

I can't understand why you are getting so belligerent? I do not recall ever doubting your nationality, even if you were not borne in Iran. It is up to NO ONE to tell you what nationality you are but yourself. Which I see you do have a very strong conviction about your roots and your nationality.

Secondly, sadness of the matter is that you are so right, yes it is true that one does not have to have personal experience to understand ones plight, however, point that I am trying to make is that it is not so easy to stand up to these IRI thugs. My objection to your statements been that calling people who do not take any action to help those women a [BIGHEYRAT] and [passive] is totally unfair.

Being an Iranian is not matter of where one lives, or what religion they have, or what language they speak, its matter of recognizing ones roots and ones heritage, which you do posses very clearly. Each one of us, contribute to our mother land in our own way so as long as we all can hold our heads up and proudly say: I AM AN IRANIAN.

Tell me, have honestly not been in Iran since 1971??
Let me tell you, despite all the hardship, suppression and the terror people go through under IRI regime, Iran and people of Iran are one of the most beautiful things to see in the whole world, you should go and see with your own eyes. You will be pleasantly surprised and deeply saddened at the same time.

Respectfully
-YT

A lot has happened

A lot has happened since the last time I signed in.  I saw this blog because it popped up on the “most discussed” list. First of all, I couldn’t even see the clip because it was removed. Looks like the debate on JJ’s blog “We like to watch” is already having some influence on this publication’s policies.

Reading through 70+ posts on this thread, anyone with least amount of imagination can reproduce the clip in his own mind, so, not much is lost by removing the clip.All the posts almost unanimously agree on the barbaric nature of IRI’s rule and the way it treats the citizens of Iran.

After condemning the IRI, the debate starts when people try to rationalize or explain why this is happening, why it has continued for 30 years and who should be burdened with the responsibility to stop it from happening.

Abarmard with his tone of reason, very innocently, in a  context of “matter-of-fact”, places the burden of crime on the victim. According to Abarmard ordinary Iranians support this rule of oppression. He even gives a real example of his own experience when he so freely travels to Iran.

Our own Professor (now YT, aka Mammad) gives us the Milgram experiment so that we understand and rationalize why the Basiji or pasdar carries the inhumane rule of the IRI. I wonder if he ever used this type of rationalization when Savak was silencing the opposition. Sir, you think of yourself as an open minded, reasoned and fair individual and compose your posts in a very civilized tone. But, you can’t hide your true intentions and what motivates you to post so passionately at times.

You have said repeatedly that you are a devout shiat Muslim and at the same time and in the same breath you have said to be proud to have socialist tendencies (being a leftist).

Spending some time in Evin and having Opposed the early brutal cleansing of the IRI, or even losing family members, does not automatically make you any more qualified to speak about human rights than someone like Kaveh as an Iranian or for that matter any none-Iranian.  A clip like this will disgust a Chinese as much as a Canadian, Indian, … or Iranian.

I think it is unfair to judge the temperament of a whole population on the basis of a clip like this. I believe Kaveh when he says how he would react if he finds himself in those situations. I admire his “passion” for the part in Dr. Mammad’s (YT) equation. As a matter of fact there was a Clip and a blog a while back here on Iranian.com that talked about a frustrated citizen killing (of course unintentionally) a harassing Basiji. In my opinion, there is no shortage of passion in Iran (generally speaking). 

The problem with YT’s equation is the Unity part.As long as there are significant number of people who believe in “Theocratic Social Democracy” (e.g. Dr. and his followers), there will be no unity (IMHO). Even if IRI’s Velayateh faghih is overthrown by some fake unity, we will end up with something equivalent as there can be no co-existence between theocracy and democracy (IMHO).

I really appreciated Mr. Khadivar’s and FAIR’s posts as the most relevant and to the point.

As a final note to Master YT who I know reads a lot.. there is no such a thing as “peaceful” transformation from Theocracy to Democracy. There has never been and there will never be…..  

Best regards,

Bijan

To Mr. Observer Over Here

Iranian society doesn't owe me a damn thing, just as I don't owe you or anyone else a damn thing either.

Especially if it's based upon some delusional idea that says if one has lived in Iran since 1979 or has experienced the feel of a barrel of a gun to their head that they are entitled to special reverence. That's nothing more than elitist bullshit.

I don't blame Iranians for any difficulties I've encountered over the years. I deliberately don't interact with many Iranians on either a social or professional level. On a social level, Iranians are too busy engaging in the time-honored tradition of "poze", trying to be at the top of the social pecking order. On a professional level, Iranians act as if they are entitled to some kind of special discount, or extra favor, or service, as if there is the normal way of doing business and a special way just for hamvatan.

And I don't think that my phones have been tapped since 9/11 either. I leave that for the conspiracy theorists who live their lives in paranoia.

Hey, if you want to change your name, be my guest. I don't have any grudges against anyone who does.

You think I'm crying a river when I'm pointing out that what someone may call a comfort zone isn't as comfortable as you think. I was pointing out typical Iranian=ness. You know my life but I don't know yours.

I have respect for people who have earned it and are worthy, no matter who they are or where they come from.

This has gotten out of hand

These were some of the most exciting comments or posting in a blog i have ever read! Learning a thing or two about people you Iranian.com with every day is indeed a wonderful thing:)

Kaveh N.

First of all;

You are looking at this with a rather "teenage"mentality (sorry to say)
don't matter even if you are more american than Jimmy hoffa or more iranian than Amir kabir!
This is not about special entitlement of any sorts.
You are misinterpreting what is being said here. You simply do not know how it feels and what it is like to be dealing with these people. I am sorry but this is a bit like lengesh kon concept.
I mean , how many times have you been there and confronted them? Of course, that in your mind and with all the outrage and anger building upin you seeing this clip and remembering that in the past 30 years nothing effectively has been done, You see nothing But red and wanna kick some a...But be real about it.
Do you think these thugs will let you beat them down to the ground so you can stick their baton in their...and sit and watch you perform the act of "eat some concrete , suckers?" They will gang up on you if they have to and there ain't a god damn think those on-lookers can do to help you.

what good would it do if you or someone like you , had gone to jail? What do you think will come out of it? You think they will prepare a statement of appology and declare their sense of regret, by presenting it to the entire nation?

Why could we not come up with much better ways to fight against them?

What's with all this naneh man ghareebam

What's with all this naneh man ghareebam bazi? bikhod nist too Iran behet migan Esraeli spy! Begoo delet az koja poreh! You are being mistreated by Americans but it's ok. unless some persians are sick of your lecturing on how to be brave? that's when you start naneh-man ghareebam and think the whole iranian society owes you something because of the hardship you have gone through you own country? why is this iranians fault? you are upset with all iranians because you have a persian name that you didn't americanize? boohoo cry me a river! a lot of us didn't change our names but we don't cry about it. Khob boro esmeto bezaar Kevin Nouri (there is an actor with that last name who seems not to be discriminated against) then would you leave the rest of us alone and learn to respect people?

Nouranee and YT

Didn't I tell you to zip it? You will be much more respected if you remain "passive"!

YT you are the 88th person who has correctly diagnosed someone's problem - superiority complex. Of course it is a shame that it isn't even a good one. If you look closer you'll realize that it is more like an inferiority complex.

Comfort Zone?

Are you for real?

Let me give you a tour of my "comfort zone". You can HAVE it.

In this lousy country, where I speak English without an accent and have spent 95% of my life, I'm a foreigner, an outsider. An immigrant. I have a non-American name. My screen name is my real name. I've never changed or Americanized it. I'm not considered an American, despite the fact that I'm a US citizen who's voted in every election since 1984 and has served jury duty, which many so-called real Americans take for granted. 

And in Iran, I'm also a foreigner, an outsider. I'm khareji. An American, British or Israeli spy (depending on the phase of the moon). You name it. The last time I was in Iran was 1971, I didn't fight in the war against Iraq, and when I was married, my wife wasn't Iranian. I haven't been hit over the head with a baton by some gedah yelling "marg bar Amrika", and no one has shoved an Uzi in my face. Therefore to you I haven't fulfilled the prerequisites to be Iranian.

But because you have experienced it you think you have the right to some special entitlement? And you say I'm the one with a superiority complex?

What goddamn nerve!

Dear YT

How can you explain "pain" to people who have never experienced it? You and I are speaking of experience, and still are called passive and  apologist and whatever else by people who have never left their comfort zone... and we still end up having to defend ourselves! 

painfully ironic

IRANdokht

Superiority Complex

You are absolutely correct, not having lived in Iran does NOT make you any less of an Iranian.

But let me ask you couple of questions:

.How many times have you been beaten on top of your head with a billy club which required 10 stitches?

.How many times have you had an Uzi stock in your mouth with one bastards finger on the trigger????

.How many times have had hug your sister hoping to give her a bit of comfort after she was chastised, beaten, spat at and perhaps CUT by a RAZOR, just because flock of her hair was showing from underneath her scarf?

. How many times did you have to stand on guard over your family, in your OWN house so your little sisters and brothers could sleep???

Sir you are absolutely right, us Iranians have such a goddamn SUPERIORITY COMPLEX that is unreal, and you sir are a perfect example.

Please don't sit there and tell me that you stood up against a police officer in LA. You sir could do that because LA is located in a country that is ruled by LAW and not by an Uzi, at least that is how it was when I checked last.

Have a great evening
-YT