Pictory

Shambhala Kingdom

Do Iranians know history
What about massacre of Baghdad 1253
All the religious should feel quilty
Maybe it would be intresting for you to read your own history
go to google and type

Shambhala Baghdad

Best regards

Just like I thought...

.....I didn't think so and I was right. You didn't even have the testacles to stand behind what you claimed:

1-that I advocate war with Iran (a BLATANT LIE):

"you, the zands, Pahlavis and other monarchies are lobbying for another attack on Iran and Iranians."

2-that I gave credit to American equipment and trainers, and not their Iranian crews (when I clearly credited the crews whom you disrespected):

"Then you try credit a few American made helicopters and trainers and shah instead of the faith and bravery of all armed forces"

3-That I deliberately posted a Pahlavi website that commemorates all the fallen pilots to push a monarchist agenda (despite there not being any other website that does that):

"You attached a link that advertises
shah instead of the pilots and you said there was no link about
Iranians pilots and the link you attached was the only one you could
find....."

"you said IRI has not commemorate the pilots who died for their country.
Here is another one not only they were commemorated by the army, Air
force, navy and the whole country there are songs for them and as you
see are on Internet as well."

For (1) and (2), you couldn't show even ONE shred anywhere that supports your garbage. And on (3) you could not show ONE place anywhere that commemorates ALL pilots who fought and died for our country REGARDLESS of ideology.

Did you have the SHARAF to back up your bogus accusations?

I didn't think so you pathetic badbakht.

Are you qualified to talk about ANYONE's belief? Not even close you hypocrite.

Of course you or nobody should mind me calling you a liar, because that is the TRUTH. One even you couldn't deny (and have proven better than anyone else could).

You have proven beyond any doubt, you are a NOBODY.

There is no hope for you to ever be FAIR.

Unfair

Stop crying! OK, you were a pilot and you by yourself flew a few planes at once and fought the war and won. We give you all the credit not the Basigis and others. Are you happy now? Just stop crying! I am beginning to feel bad for you.

Evasive Dogiush

In fact, it is YOU who seem to have difficulty coping with this whole thing. Where are the answers to my questions? Where is the proof that your lies are not lies? Are you having a little discomfort now? Or this lying and deception just coming naturally to you who have the gall to talk about "belief" of people?

I don't cry to anyone, especially when it comes to a NOBODY like you pathetic LIAR. I point out that JJ calls some statements by others as personal attacks, but has not problem with you spreading LIES and false accusations about other posters on this forum. That is not CRYING. That is FACT. JJ can easily not censor people uniformly and I will have no problem.

What do you expect the portrayal of Abbas Doran to be in an official video made by aghidati siasi of the Islamic Repoblic? I won't bother describing to you why I know he was unIslamic, way better than any deceptive video or pathetic attempt by liars like you to portray him a certain way. You idiot, listen to his wife, she herself says publicly that Abbas Doran was underarppreciated and that there was kam-lotfi in his favor. You are not worth his or my excrement, when you don't even have enough SHARAF to stand behind your accusation of me and your LIES. Who the hell are you to make any statement about anybody? You are a lying empty scumbag, because you had many many chances to prove otherwise and chose not to.

I am not afraid of scum like you, who give themselves the right to say any garbage they want to get their way. You can change the subject as much as you want, but you FAIL miserably to answer the following:

-SHOW ONE PLACE ANYWHERE EVER I ADVOCATED WAR ON IRAN. LIAR.

-SHOW ONE PLACE OTHER THAN THE LINK I POSTED THAT HAS THE NAME OF THE PILOTS, THE MANY OTHER ABBAS DORAN's THAT FOUGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY. JUST ONE YOU LYING SCUMBAG.

Here it is again:

//www.iiaf.net/stories/warheroes/warheroes.ht...

yes, the owner of this website uses the words imperial and shahanshah, because that is the name of the air force which these pilots joined and were trained in- the Imperial Iranian Air Force. What is the problem with that. He lists each of the names, dates, and places of our heroes' deaths. There were many Abbas Doran's there. This commemoration has been up for over 7 years. Whenever you come up with another place where the Islamic Republic (or anyone else) does this, show it here. WHAT IS STOPPING YOU?? my "crying"? Or your inability? Or maybem just maybe, the TRUTH?

Instead, you show propaganda videos by IRI political ideological organizations that commemorate only ONE of those, and after all these years because they are forced to, and accuse others of running away from the defence of their country.

I can easily say you remind me also of Islamic propagandists who spread lies, and when asked legitimate questions just attack their questioners as liars and say they cry. But I won't because YOU do not matter, you are scum no different than SADDAM and KHOMEINI who do not give a damn about Iran, just about their personal enemies. You have NO ETHICS OR MORALS and will LIE WITHOUT END.

If this is not the case, all you have to do is prove me wrong. But you won't, you will just keep repeating your lies.

SHOW ME ONE PLACE I HAVE LIED ON THIS WEBSITE. JUST ONE.

And I am the non muslim non believer. What are you you hypocrite? Who are you to talk about belief of anything?

When did I credit American helicopters or equipment? IF YOU HAVE SAVAD YOU WILL SEE I CREDITED THE CREWS, not the equipment.

Now I am wiling to challenge you on any issue whatsoever when it comes to flying and the Iranian Air Force, both before and after the revolution. And i will show you who knows only about a kite and who doesn't. Try me. Just TRY ME. Or are you going to evade the facts altogether again and call me Pahlavi lover and coward who ran away?

Shame on you, and I am ashamed that dishonorable people like you are able to claim that they fought for our country. You are NOTHING.

Unfair

You said shahid Abbas Doran and many more were irreligious, but I see his wife is wearing black veil. Now you are going o say she was forced and was a set up. If it was they would put a picture of Khomeini in the back ground.
Also you see him walking under Quran and his friends say he was only afraid of God and no one else. So you see, you are the one who is lying.
Then he flew his plain to the Arab Summit building because he was anti IRI? and irreligious? and wanted after Iraq come and take IRI down with a few friends and a few plains? You are not making sense at all.
I think the only thing you may have been flying during the war must have been a kite.

I told you, you can call me liar, Dogiush and etc. I do not mind. Just don't cry when I answer you back, but you keep crying and running to jj. Then you want me to believe that you were in the war? When you can't even handle this.

In link you attached the name of the pilots are not even readable, but the name of shahanshah is bold and all over it. Then you try credit a few American made helicopters and trainers and shah instead of the faith and bravery of all armed forces and those who supported them, but you do it in a sneaky way thinking you can fool people.

I ask jj to allow you and anyone else to criticize me. I don't want it to be deleted. This will help me to get to know you all better.

Your crying reminds me of Americans and Israelis. They use all kind of sophisticated weapons, chemical bombs and etc against others and when others throw a home made rocket at them, they cry and say that is not fair and that no one should help the defenceless so they can kill more people, more easily.

Wrong Again you pathetic LIAR

You arrogant, self righteous liar, correct your lies first and then
talk. You accused me of advocating war on Iran. SET THE RECORD
STRAIGHT AND SHOW THE AUDIENCE WHERE I DID THAT. JUST EVEN ONCE YOU LIAR.

You also owe me a big apology for accusing me of running away from the war when I didn't. You arrogant LIAR.

Look in this video who is commemorating the pilots that you claim are being honored- their FELLOW PILOTS IN THEIR FUNERAL. The government only officially commemorates a few of them, and mostly the loyalists- with only 1 exception- Abbas Doran, because even they couldn't suppress his story. And the first people to ever start commemorating these pilots and their stories were OUTSIDE the country. It wasn't until an Austrian writer wrote several books about these Iranian heroes 15 YEARS AFTER THE WAR ENDED that the Islamic Republic started even acknowledging the little they did.

No amount of your rewriting history will succeed in changing the truth. Look at the name at the end of the video and the credits- if you had SAVAD you would notice that it says- EDAREH AGHIDATI SIASI-e-nirooye havaie arteshe jomhouri-e-eslamie Iran. That's right- the ideological political office of the air force. And by the way, at time 1:22 of the video, they show a formation of fighters flying. Do you know what those fighters are? They are fighters of the RUSSIAN AIR FORCE. Get it? They have nothing to do with IRAN. Your friends in aghidati siasi (just like you) have NO REGARD FOR HONESTY AND INTEGRITY.

Look at the names and faces of those gentlemen that I linked to. The vast majority of
them are NOT officially commemorated in Iran. I am not talking about
being remembrered by their colleagues at the funerals and private
memorial services. THAT IS WHY I LINKED TO THEM. MY ONLY AGENDA IS TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT THEY EXISTED AND THEY FOUGHT AND THEY DIED FOR THEIR COUNTRY, BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE DOES.

Here is the SIMPLE FACT: I posted a website which provides names and pictures of our fallen pilots, along with dates of their deaths. Where in any of these videos or any link or publication ANYWHERE did your "aghidati-siasi" friends (or ANYBODY ELSE for that matter) do that? Show me one, and I will gladly link that as well. But you cannot. You know why? BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE. ZIP.

There are only a couple other websites from private parties outside Iran that have recently attempted to do this, but they are not nearly as complete, and require membership and are not publicly accessible. Otherwise I would have linked to them as well.

But you are so blind with hatred that just because the website that had the decency to do this for the general public worldwide is aligned with Pahlavis, you discount it completely. Like I said, it is not my fault that this is the only place you can find these gentlemen commemorated. FULLY, and NOT based on loyalty.

In the meantime, you can link us to as many Islamic Republic produced propaganda that you want. Does that make you a Khomeini lover?

Furhtermore, you are SOOO ARROGANT to presume you are even remotely qualified to speak for the fighters who died. You are reaching whose voices? And loving what? You are completely delusional. Who the hell are you? Does anybody think that someone who fought and died for their country wants a LIAR with no SHARAF to speak on their behalf? Your actions are a complete INSULT AND DISGRACE to our fallen.

I am not easily disgusted, but you DISGUST ME completely. You have NO RIGHT to speak for any of our honorable veterans (as you have shown your complete lack of honor despite being a veteran. What a shame).

Be FAIR.

Unfair

you said IRI has not commemorate the pilots who died for their country. Here is another one not only they were commemorated by the army, Air force, navy and the whole country there are songs for them and as you see are on Internet as well.
If you go to Iran you will see that they are being appreciated unlike what you claim. Do you see their pictures being held in front line in these links? So who is lying? What is your intention of making such allegations except being divisive and promoting shahanshah?

It doesn't bother me if you tell me I am lying and much more because I know myself and doesn't matter what you and others think about me. There are only a few on this site that I care about. Mostly are runaways, traitors full of crap. Now they can start attacking me too. I don't mind at all.

I am telling you what the fighters in the links would have told you, if they were alive or if they could. I am reaching their voices to you and I love it. Don't you think they should have a voice too? I have a lot of respect for them. There is not a day goes by that I don't think about them. I think you should know this by now in all my postings.

Here is another one for you.

//youtube.com/watch?v=TDSj_IaZ_r4&feature=rel...

Shameless Dogiush continues to LIE

Stop bragging about your bullet mark, and adding to your lies. Who the hell are you to say I ran away? I DIDN'T you scumbag, and I won't brag about my wounds to the entire world, it was my choice to put myself in that situation and I don't "beh rokhe mardom bekesham". How would you like it if I told you that YOU ran away, otherwise the second bullet would have killed you coward? SHOW RESPECT TO OTHERS SACRIFICE, YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY PERSON THAT WAS THERE. THERE WERE MILLIONS OF OTHERS.

Listen to me and listen carefully. THE SITE I SHOWED LISTS ALL THE PILOTS KNOWN TO HAVE DIED IN THE LINE OF DUTY- 81 OF THEM AND COUNTING because it is under construction. Which of the sites you show have this??

WHICH ONE YOU SCUMBAG LIAR??

You posted 6 youtube videos, which I could easily say advertised Islamic Republic instead of the pilots too. In any case, only 2 of them refer to fallen pilots by name, General Abbas Doran, and Abbas Babai. Babai was the most hezbollahi person in the air force, and responsible for turning in of many patriotic pilots, so he was a favorite of the regime. Abbas Doran, the legendary pilot who even the Islamic republic could not hide because he was too famous, having flown hundreds of missions and finally killing himself on his last one over Baghdad. The other 4 videos are just videos of military equipment.

SO WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER 79 NAMES? CAN YOU SHOW ME ONE PLACE ANYWHERE ELSE THAT THEY ARE COMMEMORATED? Or do you find it much more convenient to give me garbage like "you ran away and I didn't"?

I guess JJ's "personal attacks meter" doesn't register this one, does it....

If you focus on reality instead of attacking people you will be more credible. But that obviously does not matter to you, the colossal liar.

Once again,

Where did I ever advocate war with Iran you scumbag? Show just ONE PLACE.

And if you BEESAVAD read my post's FIRST SENTENCE, you will notice that I thanked EVERYBODY that sacrificed. Not just one political group or another.

But when people come and say "the great majority" who fought were devout religious and what not, you're damn right that I will come back and say there were many non religious without whose expertise and professionalism, Iraq would have won in a couple of weeks. And if you were there you would know that.

How many Basijis would it take to do what one Cobra helicopter did, fly straight into the Iraqi line of fire and destroy whole columns of Iraqi armor and stop them and then get blown to pieces in the process. And then tell me that these Cobra crews that didn't have the belief of basijis. Or Abbas Doran (who was not Islamic AT ALL) to fly a kamikaze mission over Iraq's capital (the most heavily defended city in the world) did not share the belief of Basiji??

You scumbag, those dead Cobra crews and other pilots and sailors and tank crews are not alive to defend against your bulls*t, so it is my (and others) duty to speak up for them.

So I am willing to differentiate between basijis and pasdars and all others who fought for our country- IF others are willing to not put down non-basiji/pasdar Iranians who fought and did not share the basiji and pasdar opinions.

You SCUMBAG be ashamed of yourself, you even have the gall to demand fairness when you blatantly LIE to the entire world.

Dogiush, you don't even know what a debate is

You know why I provided the link I did? BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER! It is not my fault that the Islamic government of Iran has NO PLACE WHATSOEVER to commemorate the pilots who flew and died for their country. The website that you nag about is the only place on the web or elsewhere that does so.

Now does that make me a Pahlavi Lover? Or does that make YOU a moron?

I don't care if you call me names. But lying is another story. You brag about beliefs and Islam. What does your Islam say about lying? What does it say about "tohmat"? Is it ok to lie and falsely accuse others?

Once again, show the readers of this forum ONE PLACE where I advocated war with Iran? You cannot, because you LIE.

Where did I lobby others/anybody to do my "dirty work"? Once again, you LIE.

You talk about me being divisive, yet you have the gall to put down people who fought who did not share your beliefs:

"As for the army, even those who fought bravely in the army mostly shared the same strong believes as the basigies. Those who did not, except a few, often tried to avoid the front line unless they were sent and had to go."

Who the hell are you to make such claims? And you whine about me being divisive? What do you know about people's true beliefs? You don't even know what you believe in yourself!

You say you were there and know. Know what? I know tons of people who fought and were wounded or killed for our defence, and they were very un-Islamic. Were they avoiding the front lines? Or are they dead today you could blab any garbage behind their back? Obviously you are full of sh*t, and don't know squat.

Do you even realize how incredibly stupid you sound?

You must apologize for your false accusations, and every bit of flak I send your way is well deserved- you ask for it.

All I ask is that people be FAIR.

Azad99-We agree now

Thank you, and I am glad this is clarified. Definitely religion played a huge role in mobilizing the people, and I acknowledge this reality of history. I am glad that we both acknowledge now that Iranians of ALL backgrounds fought bravely and sacrificed so much for our homeland, and I give credit and thanks to ALL of them (even though I am nobody and they don't need your or my "credit"), regardless of their personal beliefs on religion or politics. I would just like that no one political or religious group gets special recognition over the other, and am eternally thankful to all our heroes who never came home so that others could.

May they rest in peace.

-Fair

To Fair

Ok, I guess I misunderstood your previous post. I thought you said that there were some Iranian paratroopers operating from outside the country and anonymously helping Iranian soldiers. Now, it is clear that you meant the Iranian Air force itself. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

I agree that many non-religious people and many who were against the government participated in the war just to protect their country and people. But one can not deny the huge role of religion (and even of Ayatollah Khomeini himself) in the massive mobilization of people.

A good proof that most of the people who participated in the war were religious; is the sociological fact that in any war it is usually the lower economical classes who go to the fronts. And in Iran the lower classes are mostly deeply traditional and religious.

Anyway whether we like Islam or not, whether we like this government or not, we OWE nothing but respect and gratefulness to all those who courageously fought for us. And if you were one of them, as an Iranian I truly am grateful to you as well, I was myself way too young too participate.

من شرمنده‌ام

به جای گرامی داشتن یاد این شهیدان ( ارتشی،بسیجی....) برخی از دوستان مثل همیشه به طرح دعواهای شخصی پرداخته اند، متاسفم !!

sorry

wrong window

Unfair

I have had many debates with you and it is clear to me that you are a Pahlavi lover and the link you attached is another proof. If it was for the pilots you could find one about them not shah. The only difference you have with other Pahlavi lovers is that they admit to it, but you don't. Your goal is to divide and that is clear in your posting.
It doesn't matter if we fought for country or Islam or both. What matters is that we did and we didn't ran away or surrendered. The more you start calling names the more proves that my observation about you is true. I told you before, I do not mind your comments at all. Just don't cry when I answer you back!

As for the army, even those who fought bravely in the army mostly shared the same strong believes as the basigies. Those who did not, except a few, often tried to avoid the front line unless they were sent and had to go. I was there, so I know. But the basigies were volunteers for the front lines. There was no match for basigi's faith and strong believes.

Funny how Iranians don't know their own symbols.

My symbol (avatar) is a symbol of Iranian nationalism, Iranian unity and THE ONLY Iranian flag. It does not only represent one political group or another. It stands for all Iranians.

Having this mighty symbol as my avatar does not neccecarily mean that I am in favor of return of the monarchy to Iran, altought having a classy empress like Farah Pahlavi sounds nice to me . It solely means that I am proud to be the inheritant of this mighty symbol and I like to be represented by it.

Once again my prayers are with all who fought for the liberation of Khorramshahr and all other that fought Iraqi forces in order to set Iran free of Saddam's dark plans. But we have one more hurdle to overcome, getting rid of our own corrupt government. As far as I am concerned our own government is an bigger threat and disgrace for Iran than any other foreign military force. May god bless all Iranian political activists who fought this fraud mullahs and lost their life (executed by our own current government) doing so.

You said that all the major

You said that all the major victories of Iran were possible because of the so-called paratroopers who were trained by American Rangers! and the reason why there were no other major victories at the end of the war, was because these paratroopers did not participate anymore!! And that's pure nonsense!

Answer these questions please; Whose orders did these paratroopers follow? From what country and which military bases did they fly their airplanes? Why hasn't anyone ever mentioned them in any report?

Again, Khorramshar was liberated through the unbelievable sacrifices and extremely difficult struggles of young and old Iranians. People wgi fought against all odds and surprised the enemy (enemies) with their incredible determination, selflessness, courage and creativity. It never had anything to do with paratroopers trained by Americans!!

Oops! I am sorry!

You are right Fair jan. I did not read the post correctly.

By the way, I agree with the last part of your last post as well. They (soldiers in war), surely came from different parts of the country with different believes. I also had a couple of relatives who fought Iraqi's from beggining to end and they were not religious nor belonged to any political side. Just patriots. as simple as that!

May god bless them all for saving Iran!

Azad99-do not rewrite history

First of all, where did I STEAL credit from anybody. Please be accurate. Read my post and you will see the first sentence, I thanked EVERYBODY that sacrificed.

I just gave credit where it was never given- evidently you have not seen it either, since you call the paratroopers FICTITIOUS.

Then please explain the following units in the Islamic Republic of Iran Army and Navy (some of whom I have had the honor of meeting):

23rd special forces division Lavizan (green berets)
55th airborne division Shiraz
IRI Navy Marines (takavar).

The first 2 were trained in the US by US Army Rangers and SAS and other elite groups. The last were trained by the UK Royal Marines.

The IRI Navy Marines blocked the escape of Iraqi troops in Khorramshahr across the Karun river by infiltrating behind their lines undetected. That is why there were over 10,000 Iraqi POW's, and that is why they could be surrounded before they realized it.

The 55th airborne and 23rd green beret divisions were dropped behind enemy lines from low level and often at night, creating huge problems and distractions for the enemy so that the attacking forces could overwhelm them, i.e. achieving total surprise.

You ask where they got their orders from. They got them from the regular military commanders, General Zahirnejhad, Fallahi, and Colonel Sayyad Shirazi, and the appropriate chain of command. There are many reports of them in specialized publications and forums, like SAF magazine and websites like //www.pastconflicts.com/gulfwar/index.php and military records (which is currently being reconstructed), and NONE of these sources are affiliated with the US or monarchy, you can be sure of that. (I won't even bring my first hand experience into the discussion here- I don't need to). But they are never credited or acknowledged in the mainstream Iranian media or by the official government commemorations. And those of them who have survived the war have a very very difficult life today.

Now you tell me, which part of this is ABSURD?? Go study the war and how it was fought before you make such broad statements, and before you call other people's statements absurd.

YOU are the one who claimed the following:
"it is an undeniable fact that the great majority of those who fought and gave their lives to take back every inch of the country, were devoted and deeply religious Muslims."

You didn't say just "many" or "more than half". You said "the great majority". If you had said " a large number", I would have agreed with you. But you didn't.

And all you can provide as proof is the observation of "millions of Iranians" and "Robert Fisk" and "footages of the war" and personal experiences of thousands of people. Well I was one of those thousands of people.

First of all, who do you think controls where "Robert Fisk" gets to go and where the "footage" is taken from? And who do you think had the freedom to show themselves as "maybe not so devout muslim"? You are just looking at the surface obviously. And the propaganda has definitely worked on you.

Almost 1 million Iranians died for their country, several million served. How many of them did you and Robert Fisk meet, and how well did you know them to be able to say "the great majority"?

You will have to do better than that. Just footage showing guys with beards is not proof.

You are the one making the big claim, not me. Therefore it is up to you to back it up.

Instead, YOU try to call people who fought and died quietly and decisively for their country FICTITIOUS, and label my attempt to commemorate them as ABSURD.

BE FAIR

B-naam-you are right

Yes, indeed, I am talking about Iranian paratroopers during the war, at the time of Khorramshahr, since that is the subject of this thread. Sorry if it wasn't clear.

Obviously, these men never got the chance to carry out their duty as they saw it, and now are either too old or dead, and are not the viable force they once were.

But they still do (as they always did) love their country.

I am just saying that there was a very important part of the defence that was NOT politically or religiously aligned with the government or Islam, and purely fought for their country KNOWING they will not be thanked or credited, and indeed they weren't. I am just trying to correct that injustice in our history, and notice I did NOT say anything about monarchy or any other allegiance, other than to Iran. (This is for any liars and truth hijackers out their who want to drown out my attempts with their lies).

-Fair

to: "Fair"

Listen, according to my math those paratroopers that you claim are talking about going on a mission to Tehran would be in their 50's and 60's.  I guess you're talking about back then and not now.  Your posts are not very clear.  They sound like you're just venting!   

I was referring to IRANIAN paratroopers..

.. during the war. The highly trained Iranian paratroopers and special forces who spearheaded many of the attacks that liberated our country from criminal Saddamis.

Just to set the record straight.

-Fair

Stop lying DOGIUSH

Hey, LIAR. Where did I EVER advocate an attack on Iran.

Where, show the readers here ONE PLACE. And I am not a monarchist or Zandi. Where did I ever advocate that Iran
should be a monarchy? Again, show ONE PLACE. Just ONE. You good for nothing empty liar.

Of course, these personal attacks seem to be ok by JJ, no problem.

If you actually had a substantive answer, you would not need to libel and label your opponents. Any 3 year old can call others names. But it takes an adult to reason.

Grow up, and be FAIR.

I never steal credit from anybody who fought for Iran, I only remind people of those who fought and NEVER GOT CREDIT AND SAVED YOUR SORRY ASS. Basijis and IRGC got plenty of credit, and those of them who fought for Iran and did not oppress people and were not criminal deserve every credit, and I IN FACT THANKED ALL WHO FOUGHT. JUST READ THE POST BEESAVAD.

Let's not hijack the thread please, and...

...and, in case of a war aginst our motherland (that includes, U.S, and whomever that dares to take a chance), the whole country is united!

All those "highly" trained para-troopers with their state of the art weaponery are in for a big surprise. If you think Iraq was bad, wait until you get to Iran.

It's all about Nationalism, Patriotism and heart!

And yes. They (U.S.), can do a lot of damage from air, however, they must eventually come down and get dirty. I don't think anyone is ready with a red rose in hand by the border either:-)

dariush ...you make me laugh

First of all you don't know me so stop being hypocrite. I can only judge you and Xerxes (not sure if you use the both names) by your comments which is nothing but bunch of empty propaganda. If your links are you tube that has been edited with sound track, then I'd say good luck. You are truly an ignorant individual. A suggestion to you my firend; Why don’t you go and worship your mullahs for what ever time they have left to rule and we will think of something that would liberate us from the tyrants who hold us as hostages in our country.

to Fair

There is absolutely no doubt that many non-religious people also participated in the war. But to claim that some paratroopers trained by the US Army Rangers were behind the major victories against Iraq, is just plain ABSURD!! Where did they get their orders from?? How come there is absolutely no report anywhere about them?!! Wouldn't it have caused diplomatic conflicts between Iraq and the country that supposedly sent this troopers?!!

You can deny the fact that most of those who went to war belonged to traditional religious classes of the society, you can deny it against the observations of millions of Iranians, the personal experiences and memories of thousands of people, all the footages of the war, the reports by foreign war journalists like Robert Fisk (ex: in his book the Great war for civilization)...etc That's your choice.

But to steal the credit of thousands of young and old Iranian men who fought almost bare-hands in the war against all odds, used their own bodies to clear land-mine fields and fought while breathing mustard gas, and praise some fictitious "American Ranger trained paratroopers" for the Iranian victories is the pinnacle of shamelessness and ungratefulness.

I am sorry for the harsh language, but there is no other way to express that!!

FACT?

You make a big claim, as in UNDENIABLE FACT. Therefore it is only FAIR for me to ask you, what do you base your fact on. Were there any polls? If someone (like myself) privately was NOT deeply religious (not even close) but fought for my country, would I dare tell anybody? With IRGC and Basij and Mullahs all around me?

I knew some of the best paratroopers in the world, trained by the US Army Rangers and the SAS, go and volunteer to be dropped behind enemy lines, surprise the bastard Iraqis, confuse the hell out of them, such that when regular forces attacked, they were already disoriented and surrendered quickly.

People like this told me privately that their next mission is Tehran, but they had to fight the foreign invaders first. More than half of this unit was killed in the war, and the liberation of Khorramshahr, Bostan, Susangerd, and all other major victories in this war was made possible by these highly trained, highly professional, and most importantly, highly patriotic people. Towards the end of the war, there were much fewer of these, and therefore much less chance of success at anything, and of course, a poison pill.

And I can tell you, this person was Iranian first, and did not give a sh*t about religion.

Now you know why mullahs wanted the war to go on forever. Let their enemies kill each other.

I am waiting for your undeniable proof for your undeniable fact.

-FAIR.

So sad

Iran has men and women willing to serve in heaps for their country, what they lack today is proper air support, modern mechanical armour units, proper logistics and a professional well trained army (and a proper government lol)

The army needs to be upgraded badly, the F14's are aged out, the chieftain tanks also. Our air defences are based on 70/80's technology. I hope the defence dep. gets hold of better new equipment to deter away any new US/Arab/EU attack in the future. Some 50 S-300 from Russia would turn the "All options on the table" policy into "Cant we talk please" policy.

Btw, ts so sad that two of the most richest, largest and strongest countries in the Middle-East went after each-other instead of cooperating with one another.. Thank you Saddam, thank you retarded and stupid pan arab nationalism and thank you all the arab leaders and states who have been giving ass to the US/EU since the 1970's making this region the greatest political prostitute in the world.

If the countries and the people of this region would have been left alone, they would have acvhieved so much from the beginning of the 1900's

Majid jan chakeram!

So GREAT to see us Iranians unite on something!?

That shows our true "patriotism"!!

Heroes indeed. Long live Iran and thanks again to all those who got the job done on our behalf!

No matter how much some

No matter how much some people here try to oppose Islam to Iran, it is an undeniable fact that the great majority of those who fought and gave their lives to take back every inch of the country, were devoted and deeply religious Muslims.

BASIJIS TODAY

The original basijis during the Iran-Iraq war were a group of hero's who were good morel and respectful. Most who actually fought in the war have distance themselves from the basijis because has changed and for the worst. They have become a tool of the conservatives in Iran.War heroes who included basijis, non- religious Muslims, and Armenian- Iranians will never be forgotten.The basijis today are an insult to all who fought for Iran.