Pahlavi on Iran's future

Reza Pahlavi's address to Constitutionalist Party of Iran

Washington, DC, November 22 2008.

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My "first" public handshake

by Abol H. Danesh (not verified) on

...I consider Mr. Reza Pahlavi a find and polished gentleman and would like to have my first handshake before the camera at tthe tune of 4 million dollars in form of "check" as my sign of genuine support for his political activity---

Talk after receiving the check?

No thanks ... I am not much of a public speaker but I love check despositing activity quite a lot and willing to do a lot of leg work for it ...


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Expired opinions!

by Na aanhaa va na inhaa (not verified) on

"aanhaai ke baa in Regime hastand, va aahnhaai ke baa in regime nistand",(= You are either with our without us)! When was the last time I heard this way of logic?!?!?!?!hmmmmmm


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IRI is generous

by IRI supporter from Canada (not verified) on

We defened IRI because IRI is generous with the oil revenue and our livelihood depends on it.


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SUPPORTERS OF IRI

by donya dokht (not verified) on

This is amazing to me. The fact that we still have not learned anything after 30yrs.
You put all this effort to make negative comments about Bakhtiar...Shame on you ! This stupid, rediculous revolution was the biggest mistake ! All the lives we lost, all the freedoms and civil liberties were taken away. AND PEOPLE HERE HAVE THE NERVE TO DEFEND IT ! Funny, I guess when you're sitting in Europe somewhere or in North America away from it all it is really easy. This attitute is a slap in the face to everyone who is struggles to fight for freedom.
I appreciate the work of R.P. I strongly support him, just as I do others (Gangi, Ebadi, etc...)
I wish you people would all go back in the hole you came out of 30yrs ago, because you really haven't evolved at all. You all have this historical baggage, that has kept us from moving forward. Please stay out of politics!


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Nice Speech

by Well wisher (not verified) on


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To Jaleho: what is your job?

by ??? (not verified) on

You seem to be almost 24/7 on this website promoting and advertising for the dysfunctional despicable Islamic Republic. Is that a better more honest job or I should say more profitable?!!


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Chera eenha darand mitarkand?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by LOL (not verified) on

If he's nothing and wasting his time, why have you all ganged up here, huffing and puffing, obviously ALL anxiety-ridden, calling him all sorts of things? Strange that a NOTHING has aroused so much reaction ... a big LOL


ghalam-doon

Bottom Line

by ghalam-doon on

So, they couldn't find someone to tape these proceedings that they had to use a mobile phone or something to tape it? It shows the level of organization.

I listened to the whole speech. The bottom line is that the people inside Iran should bring down the nezaam and prepare the grounds for the people in this room to go back to Iran and take over the government.

I propose an alternative. How about the people in this room take the 1st plane to Tehran and try to rally the poeple to their cause. We'll see how many people will show up on the streets and how many will sacrifise themselves, the same way that they sacrifised themselves to bring down the monarchy.

Take a lesson from Khomeini. He did not wait for others to bring down the regime. He went back to Iran and millions showed up.


Saman

Idea 4 future...

by Saman on


Grab only 3 of those 5 zillion flags, and turn them into a tripodfor more stable picture.


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Bad speech!!

by Dana (not verified) on

تا كي اين مي خواد از روي نوشته سخنراني كنه؟؟!! يك بار نديدم بدون نوشته عرضه صحبت كردن داشته باشه ..شرط ميبندم يك كلمه اش هم از خودش نيست.. اونوقت ميخواد شاه هم بشه ؟؟!!!


Djahangir

End this madness

by Djahangir on

Lets have another US pupet govenment lead by the son we deposed. 

Are we this desperate.

This is ridiculous. 

DJ


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Well!

by GOTTI (not verified) on

Looking at the comments, I'd say a return for this dude is prettttttty gleam...to say the least. Good riddance.


Darius Kadivar

IRI APOLOGISTS YOU WON'T HIGHJACK OUR PATRIOTISM !

by Darius Kadivar on

This is Only the Begining my Dear IRI APOLOGISTS AND LAST MINUTE PATRIOTS.

Small Drops Turn to Oceans ...


Darius Kadivar

Bakhtiar Would Support RP Today !

by Darius Kadivar on

Keep On Yelling IRI Apologists and Last Minute Patriots.

THE STRUGGLE CONTINUES AND WE WON't GIVE UP !

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK RP !

IRAN HARGUEZ NAKHAHAD MORD !

 


Jaleho

Pathetic alternative for a REAL JOB!!

by Jaleho on

This pathetic dreamer does not want to do anything REAL in his life, and continues to dream of a place totally alien to him!

Monumental state of denial of who Iranians are, who he is, and how REAL Iranians don't give a damn about the nonsense he repeats year after year... for 30 years now!!! 

Granted, it is still easier than working a 8-5  real job, if you live in the parallel universe of your own inflated imaginary world.


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to all the monarchists, kiss monarchy goodbye

by fozool1 (not verified) on

Time does not stand still, monarchy's time has passed. Iran and Middle East are done with shahs, sultans, princes, etc. People we'll never go through that route again. These talks belong to 100 years ago when the terms "Constitution and Mashroteh" were new in Iran. But now Iranians have experienced it. Look where they have ended up! Dictatorships of mullahs and bazzar. Reform will either happen from inside this very Islamic regime or Iranians will face an unending social/political uphivals for decades to come. But monarchy will never happen again.


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To Anoyed : keep on dreaming ...

by Reality sucks (not verified) on

What is the difference? Do not forget that we already have a Sultan or rather Khalifah, right now in Iran and his name is Seyyid ALi Kahmaneii.


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LOOOOOOOOOOOl What's with so many flags!

by Anonymous77 (not verified) on

It's like 1930s Germany.

ghorboone coonstituione man beri.
It looks like a late Halloween fancy dress party


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No more zendeh baad, mordeh baad........

by Ye Irani (not verified) on

We always brag about how civilized and culturally-rich people we are. Let's show it in action. I do not see it in Mollahs, I do not see it in Shahparasts, neither mojahed, nor cherik or other BRANDs. Once we all put down that "BRAND" we hide under, we show our true IRANI identity (human). So, put aside what you are and be a proud Irani. Let's unite and prosper not divide and be conquered. The only way forward is respecting eachother as we do. From far, we hate eachother. Up close and personal, we show our true color. Let the brand of IRANI glue us together. This is only possible when we put aside other "BRANDS". Will we ever?


faryarm

Dear Anono..

by faryarm on

Ridicule aside..

Rainn Wilson is no Tom Cruise and his personal story is one common to many young people in search of meaning and direction, whether that is in Iran or in the west.. 

Story of a young actor in Manhattan who had lost his way... who through hardship finds meaning and purpose.

 faryarm

 


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Ranin Wilson

by Anonymous I. (not verified) on

OMG, he's Tom Cruise of Bahais now. Are we going to see Celebrity Center of Bahais in LA anytime soon? If yes please sign me in, I'm dying to wear a funny hat. Welcome to Mindhead, welcome to Mindhead....

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XDCBe8Az2I&feature...


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Common Goal

by Amir Nasiri (not verified) on

Dear Friend's of Iran:

We all want a common thing and that is a free Iran. An Iran that will be governed under rules of law and democratic principles. One that can recognize Iran and honors its diversity and prides itself in its righteousness.

Mr. Pahlavi, Mr. Rajavi and the current IRI regime's are voices of the past. Some elements in those regimes are also guilty of corruption, embezzlement, betrayal as well as crime against Iran and Iranian people.

I believe in referendum that will ask for only 3 things:

A free democratic election supervised by the international observers, that will elect the fate of the Iranian people:

1. Separation of religion and government
2. A constitutional system very similar to the one in USA

Then

3. Freedom for all IRANIAN, free to express themselves, explore themselves and choose the next leader or political party.

We need to push for one. I assure you that 99% of eligible voters will take part in Iran.

Yours truly;

Amir Nasiri


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Keep on dreaming Reza...

by Anoyed (not verified) on

All this guy (Reza Pahlavi) wants to do is to go back to Iran and become the next Monarch. even though Islamic Republic has NO PLACE among Iranians, but Iranians rather deal with Mullahs than with another Monarch...Keep on dreaming Reza...


Darius Kadivar

MARGE Glad you showed up ;0)

by Darius Kadivar on

Just wanted to say that your interrogations are legitimate and I don't hold anything against you for not liking the monarchy or considering it unjust or obsolete.

Now THAT said, let me just say that Reza's Credentials are no higher and certainly no lower than Prince Charles of England. Ok maybe Charles has been in the business much longer due to his age and the fact that his family was not sent to exile and he simply had to continue filling the role of the Crown Prince of England with all the obligations, priveledges and equally the heavy burden of not having a private life so to speak which contrary to Reza also broke his marriage in a tragic way.

This set aside, we are not talking about an Absolute Monarchy here contrary to what some on this blog seem to be paranoic about. It is about trying to get rid of the regime and replacing it by a democratic government.

I give you credit that maybe RP is not entirely fit or experienced to rally Everyone but at least he is trying with his share of mistakes, clusmyness but also his genuine efforts and patriotism. Only time will say if it was worthy but at least we cannot accuse him of sitting with his arms crossed and doing nothing.

Constitutional Monarchy VS Absolute Monarchy

On the otherhand as far as the eventual Restoration of the Monarchy is concerned (which to be honest I personally hope for) neither I nor RP or any other constitutionalist can concieve it as the Restoration of an Absolute Monarchy but that of a Constitutional Monarchy in which the Rule of an Elected government by the People of the nation will be at the summit of the State and the Parliament will also be elected like in all democratic societies.

Restoration is nothing unusual and it has taken place in countries like Spain or Belgium to name a few. It resulted in a democratic system of government and the monarch was simply the figurehead of the nation with no real power. What is so shocking with this principle given the long history of the monarchical institution in Iran, other than the fact that it will have to be truly a Constitutional Monarchy as opposed to that of an Absolute Monarchy ?

If you ask me then what is the difference then with the current regime which also has a spiritual leader like Khamenei ? I would say the fact that the Spiritual Leader also Rules like an Absolute King.

So yes today we do not have a Republic in Iran but an Absolute Monarchy but under a new Dynasty that of the Mullah's.

So the other question may be : But then why not support the Reform mouvement in Iran who want to democratize the Islamic Dynasty into a Islamic Democracy ? Well the answer to this question is less obvious than it seems given the fact that Democracy is essentially a Secular Notion. The Khatami years tried to achieve this but with mixed results and ultimately failed. Now I am ready to give you or others the benefit of the doubt but the point is that it is also legitimate for the Constitutional monarchists to offer an alternative just like any other political party which has been away from Power due to losing an election ( except that in this case it was a Revolution).

The Dynamics for change in society and by that I mean Real Change would ultimately lead to demands for Reform ( as it has been for the past 14 years or so) or Regime Change ( not to be confused with a Foreign Invasion or Military Strike to bring it about which is virtually impossible and yet probably what the current Regime actually Hopes for and may even provoke it in order to rally support even more unanimously than it can do so today.).

So what are the alternatives ? A normalization of Relations between Iran and the US ? Fine what after ? On the long term pluralism would confront the current theocracy with its own contradictions: The Religious nature of the Regime which is not a Secular and Democratic Republic. Still run by a good deal of criminals in high posts like Khamenei and where the economy is still in the hands of a priveledged corrupt few.

Abbas Milani presented the challenges quite clearly:

And Opposition to Surgical Strikes

And Yet Milani is often refering to the Constitutional Revolution of 1906 which was about giving the Monarchy a Constitutional Form where the King Reigns BUT Does NOT Rule, and to my knowledge it was Not about Establishing a Republic of Iran ... But more of a British or similar Constitutional Monarchy. The successive Shah's hypocritically accepted the idea of the constitution but neglected the major aspect which reduced their role to a ceremonial one.

RP knows that is the pre condition for being accepted by the People, that is why he insists on the Parlimentary nature of the future government. It is this Accountability of the system of government to the people and NOT VICE VERSA, which he wants to establish in Iran. He also knows that if his eldest daughter becomes Queen , her upbringing has nothing to do with that of an Old fashioned Royal persona. The Monarchy simply cannot risk becoming a dictatorial regime like under Mohamed Reza Shah or his grandfather Reza Khan.

Yet since even that possibility should be considered and that is why the future Constitution will have to respond to such interrogations as what happens in case of vacuum of Power ? Who is in Charge of the Army if the Prime Minister is killed in an accident or in a plot ? What happens in times of crisis to allow a government to be run democratically ? etc ...

The more the Constitution is democratically transparent the more guarantees it offers to the Rule of the People and Parliament that Represents them. That is one cannot conceive a government without an opposition or several opposition parties represented in Parliament due to the diversity of political sensitivities in the nation.

Based on these lines the Constitutional Monarchy does have a clear justification and coherence in the light of more than a 100 years of struggle between Civil Society and the Governing Body that is rooted in the Constitutional Revolution of 1906.

And even despite all this RP is still conceding to the idea of a Referandum that may even lead to a Republic rather than a Monarchy. So at Least he has been fair enough to include this possibility which would give an equal chance to those who prefer a Republic to a Monarchy and Vice Versa.

I really don't see what is wrong or incoherent to such a proposition given that the Revolution was a Failure after all and set back all the social victories that Iranian society had acquired for both Sexes in less than a 100 years albeit the shortcomings we are all familiar with that is in terms of genuine Democracy and Human Rights. So in wanting to restore those rights with the absolute condition of including both Democracy and Human Rights, I really don't see what is incoherant in RP's approach.

Now the question remains on whether or not he has the balls and capacity to meed this challenge or not.

But it is certainly to his credit to outline it to us and to take up this difficult challenge.

My personal opinion is that he should be leading this constitutional mouvement but not a Party. That is what I understood from his numerous interviews and from his Book and this conference also seems to confirm this impression. For contrary to a party which imposes an ideology or system of government, a mouvements on the contrary more of a civil and intellectual exchange that leads to action and also could lead to the advent of new faces and personalities of the Iranian Civil Society who could take charge with the full support of the mouvement. This is what led to Poland's Solidarnosc in the early 80's. One may think he is naive to think that is possible for Iran, but then who suggests a better idea than simply letting the IRI highjack OUR Patriotism ?

My Humble Opinion,

D

 

 

 

 


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"one common faith"

by Joubin Houshyar (not verified) on

Salaam Faryam,

(Please do not confuse me with the IRI supporter posting under "hoshyaar". The admin of this website can trivially affirm that.)

I would like to invite you and others to read the following statement by the Universal House of Justice:

//www.bahaistudies.net/bwc/onecommonfaith.htm...

I specially bring to your attention the following:

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Comparable considerations have pertained in relations between societies. The long and arduous preparation of the Hebrew people for the mission required of them is an illustration of the complexity and stubborn character of the moral challenges involved. In order that the spiritual capacities appealed to by the prophets might awaken and flourish, the inducements offered by neighbouring idolatrous cultures had, at all costs, to be resisted. Scriptural accounts of the condign punishments that befell both rulers and subjects who violated the principle illustrated the importance attached to it by the Divine purpose. A somewhat comparable issue arose in the struggle of the newborn community founded by Muhammad to survive attempts by pagan Arab tribes to extinguish it-and in the barbaric cruelty and relentless spirit of vendetta animating the attackers. No one familiar with the historical details will have difficulty in understanding the severity of the Qur'án's injunctions on the subject. While the monotheistic beliefs of Jews and Christians were to be accorded respect, no compromise with idolatry was permitted. In a relatively brief space of time, this draconian rule had succeeded in unifying the tribes of the Arabian Peninsula and launching the newly forged community on well over five centuries of moral, intellectual, cultural and economic achievement, unmatched before or since in the speed and scope of its expansion. History tends to be a stern judge. Ultimately, in its uncompromising perspective, the consequences to those who would have blindly strangled such enterprises in the cradle will always be set off against the benefits accruing to the world as a whole from the triumph of the Bible's vision of human possibilities and the advances made possible by the genius of Islamic civilization.

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Among the most contentious of such issues in understanding society's evolution towards spiritual maturity has been that of crime and punishment. While different in detail and degree, the penalties prescribed by most sacred texts for acts of violence against either the commonweal or the rights of other individuals tended to be harsh. Moreover, they frequently extended to permitting retaliation against the offenders by the injured parties or by members of their families. In the perspective of history, however, one may reasonably ask what practical alternatives existed. In the absence not merely of present-day programmes of behavioural modification, but even of recourse to such coercive options as prisons and policing agencies, religion's concern was to impress indelibly on general consciousness the moral unacceptability-and practical costs-of conduct whose effect would otherwise have been to demoralize efforts at social progress. The whole of civilization has since been the beneficiary, and it would be less than honest not to acknowledge the fact.

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You are welcome to form your own opinion of the above two points made by the (by all accounts) governing and authoritative bahai institution, but statements such as "[i]n the absence not merely of present-day programmes of behavioural modification, but even of recourse to such coercive options as prisons and policing agencies" are quite chilling, and are not in mind reflective of a mindset that values individual determination of truth, specially in context of the above (effectively) statement of purpose of an institution with global ambitions.

No amount of "behavioural modifications", or even "coercive options such as prisons and policing agencies" will be compelling enough for some of us to accept the bahai faith, or the central authority of a global governing body which (apparently) believes itself mandated by "God" to dictate their notions of "spiritual maturity" to the rest of us.

/& Salaam


alborz

Imagine a world full of "Hoshyaars"!

by alborz on

They spew our hatred, bigotry and evince an odeous stench that is recognized by every Iranian.

The likes of him are now the ruling class of Iran and as such have been the most effective means for securing a theocracy that has done more to discredit the faith over a billion people and instill fear in the hearts of billions more.

No enemy of Iran or Islam could have done a better job than the likes of you.  If you only had seen the light of day!

Alborz


faryarm

Hoshyar

by faryarm on

 

"Hoshyar" , Your are NOT.

You know who yo are and what you try to accomplish by your slander.

Luckily, You Give your self away in your last sentence.

Thank you for saving me the time to respond to your demented view.

Bahais believe in a personal spiritual relationship, that is found only through a PERSONAL search for the truth. I hope the whole world will one day be passionate and fanatical in search for meaning and Truth.

Sadly, as long s there are people with your kind of hate, there is no future for Iran or a peaceful world.

Here is an example of what  personal journey; Rainn Wilson's personal story starts at about the 10th minute.

 

 

 


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حکومت شاهنشاهی حق مسلم ماست

ملا محمد باقر مجلسی (not verified)


بسمه تعالی و سلام اون علیکم

قبل از هر چیز بنده یک پیشنهادی دارم برای آقای فیلمبردار این جلسه سخنرانی‌ ولاحضرت رضا شاه دوم دامت افاضاته، که در آینده و جلسات دیگر سعی‌ کنید روی صورت مبارک ایشان زوم کنید تا بینندگان آثار جدیت و خلوص نیت ایشان را در چشمان و چهره مبارک ایشان بهتر و واضح تر ببینند. در ضمن از حرکات سریع دوربین به اطراف جدا خوداری کنید چون این خود مساله ساز خواهد شد. در خاتمه با اجازه ملت شهید پرور و همیشه در صحنه ایران بنده می‌خواهم تاکید مجدد خود را بر حقانیت و مشروع بودن حق لاینفک حکومت وارثی ایشان بر سرزمین اسلامی ایران را گوشزد کنم و این موهبت الهی را که حق مسلم ایرانیان وطن پرست و غیور است را گرامی‌ بدارند. به امید روزی که ولاحضرت قدم رنجه فرمایند و به مام وطن عزیز شرفیاب شوند و ملت مظلوم و شهید پرور ایران را در زیر سایه ملوکانه خود قرار دهند و حقوق از دست رفته این مظلومان را بگیرند و به آنان برگردانند. حکومت شاهنشاهی حق مسلم ماست.


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Taa 3 nasheh, baazee nasheh :o)

by T.h.e.P.o.p.e (not verified) on

More power to Him...


Ostaad

VaalaZardak Vel Ma'atlan

by Ostaad on

There is absolutely no precedence in the entire Iranian history for a dynasty to return to power after it was deposed, period. The Iranian people have every right to opt for a NEW monarchy which should based on elections and not to be hereditary. Mr. Reza Pahlavi has no god-given nor inherent right to the throne. He must fly to Tehran and offer himslef to the people as a candidate for the mayor of Tehran and see how many votes he gets. Once he proves he can run Tehran, then he can campaign for the Shah position. Lectures, sokhanraani and being applauded by a pertified entrourage from the bygone days won't cut it.