Anyway

Move on

Dear Tahirih and Farshad and anyone else who wants to discuss Bahai issues,

Your debate is no longer relevant to the content on this particular page. Please start a blog and take your discussion there.

Thank yooooooou!

:o)

To: Tahirih

Dear Tahirih,

No body asked you to be silent. What I said was that for everything, there is a place and time!! You cannot write a quotation everywhere you want!! That’s it!! Just please stop this nonsense argument that you will defend the faith until your last drop!!!

Mona Mahmoudnezhad was a brave girl who sacrificed her life for her belief. She does not need you or any body else sympathy. She was in love with Baha’u’llah and she got what she was looking for and you do not need to speak on behalf of her sister.

As I said before, you are a mature lady but when you want to defend your actions, you are behaving like a child, please grow up!!

Mibinam keh shoma dar ghol mojadeleh nemikonid aslan!! [Let’s deeds not words, I hope that you understand what I am saying]

Just for your information, I am a Bahai and I am proud to be Bahai hence please do not try to fool yourself again with the stupid topics like:

“Farshad You are not a Bahai, I can see your true face”
BY the way, this will be my last comment for this section.

Regards,

Farshad from Canada

Farshad You are not a Bahai,I can see your true face !!!

Very nice article about Plight of Bahai's in 1998 and I thank JJ for it.I like it, but ,times have changed, it was 1998 and it is 2008 now.

 So Farshad ,Very interesting, you want us to be like Nader, all happy to be exiled to be a farmer, a quiet one, that lives far from people and does not say much. He thanks 4-5 times IRI for his discharge from work at just one sentence!!!

You know farshad or whoever you are, I do not think Mona Mahmodnejad's sister thanks IRI 4-5 times in one sentence, for ridding her sister of the hardships of living!!!!

Come on ,you think I am a fool!!!The life of Nader is a content slave ,and Bahai's are no ones slave!!!

you know ,if you come out clean and say ,I hate Bahai's and they should be segregated , to far farmhouses and only could speak when we feel like it, would have been more dignified!!!

Until I have the last drop of blood in my veins I will talk ,I will spread exact quotations of my beloved blessed beauty Bahaullah, and you have to deal with it.

With the hope of love and unity on earth,

Tahirih ( since she was not  also silenced even in her death!)

Thank you JJ

Dear JJ,

As I said in my previous comments, I am an Iranian.com fan for almost 8 years when I first came to Canada. Iranian.com has been one of the best Persian websites for so many years and thanks to you, it has remained the best after all these years.

Thank you and keep up the good work.

P.S. JJ, I tried to find the article you wrote about the story of “Mahdiyeh” in Iran, but I could not succeed last night. Thanks for highlighting that article. Much appreciated!

To: Tahirih

Dear Tahirih:

Let’s finish this. I am just sorry that you want to fabricate everything and present it in the way you like.

I explained my point and that is enough for me. I just wanted to show that even though I am a Bahai but I felt that the way those quotations presented was not appropriate and I was not comfortable with that and you can see the reaction of non-Bahais yourself by reviewing the comments.

As I said before, I usually do not leave comments and the only reason I replied this time was that everything has a limit and a place and time for itself. You cannot use a video clip that is making fun of a religious figure and start teaching the faith!!! [Mona is a young girl and it is understandable, but you seem a mature lady but really stubborn]

Lastly, I assure you that I am using my own name and will always use the same name in the future. By the way, Tahirih (Qurratu’l-`Ayn) is the holy name and it is better not to be used as a nickname. Of course if your real name is Tahirih that is something else.

Have a nice weekend, everybody.

Regards,

Farshad from Canada

Farshad ,you are not a Bahai, why ? Let me tell you why?

you told me ::Dear Tahirih, there are people here that enjoy the argument between us NOW, you being against me or vice versa, let’s leave them in their childish thought.::

If you were a Bahai , you would have left ,your initial coment for Mona and you would have not had  the second comeback. Do you remember" dar ghole mojadeleh nakonid"!!!

Just the fact you wrote again , does not fool me,even with all those big Bahai slang that you used.

Aziam , see you in another blog , with your other ,madeup name.

See you soon,

Tahirih

To: Tahirih

Yes, Dear Tahirih, I am really really (x50) a Bahai. If you want to be sure about that, I can even send you my Bahai registration card or number then you can check it out. [I did not use exclamation mark like you, because I think it is normal to be a Bahai but have different opinion about a subject].

I pointed out my personal opinion about the subject matter and I insist that the way Mona presenting the quotations is not good. [Copy-paste the quotation about the irrelevant subjects specially this one, which is ACTUALLY mocking a Moslem religion leader is not appropriate]. I do not know you, Tahirih, you may be a member of local assembly, auxiliary board or any body else but if you think you can attract people by underestimating other religions, I am really sorry for you.

It is appear that Mona is really young (I assume 19 from her nick name) and that is why I gave her a friendly reminder. Mona is young and she can use her energy in pioneering, writing, and etc to teach Baha’u’allah message to the world but copy-pasting the quotations as a comment for most of the items in this website is not a really good way or I better say, a smart way to teach.

Dear Tahirih, there are people here that enjoy the argument between us NOW, you being against me or vice versa, let’s leave them in their childish thought. Believe me that we have hundreds of methods to teach the faith, not just coming here and bombarded the site with the quotations.

I remember that JJ, the publisher of Iranian.com, had a article about the Bahai faith many years ago. It was a hearth-warming article, which Bahai or non -Bahai loved that article. It was about the disconnection of his computer and his ideas about the Bahai persecutions in Iran. He may be reading this comment as well but that was a great piece of work from a non –Bahai person and it was so effective that everybody got interested to the point.

Lastly, I am not hear to give you or Mona any kind of instruction, actually I am nobody to do this kind of thing, but in my opinion this video clip was not a good place for teaching the Bahai faith. That’s it and it is jut my opinion, I may be wrong!!

Thank you.

Regards,
Farshad from Canada

To Farshad:

I am a Bahai and I did not get offended by Mona's quotation about the future of the corrupt clergy in Iran . Bahaullah warned Iranians about them ,but because of the opposition to Faith by clergy and if you are Bahai !!!! by Bahai's like you , who wanted to just keep this amazing knowledge for themselves and by forgetting the covenant, this information has stayed hidden from masses in Iran .

So whether you are really a Bahai or not ! you are welcome to your opinion, but do not stop others from informing Iranians about the poison of clergy in Iran.As a reminder should I post the execution of young Kurdish men on stretchers by IRI so your memory gets refreshed about the cruelty of this backward regime!!!???

If you are really a Bahai contact me or Moan and we will talk!!!

Tahirih

To Ali 123,:

Lets see what you said:

But nowadays, the Iranian websites are flooded with Baha'i articles and propaganda, all with the same political inclinations and arguments, all supporting the Zionist agenda. Plus, in these critical times of instability and foreign pressures, Bahais are going as far as actually BUYING convertees by promising them great business investment opportunities...etc and please don't deny this, I have seen it with my own eyes.

So you have seen that bahai's are paying money to get people to convert!!! How much do you think I got , being a Sayyed ,from a motedayen Shiia family , to become a Bahai???I have to add educated and and well together too.If your guess is correct I will top your IRI salary and give it to you !!!

Also remember it is IRI that is kidnapping and arresting Bahai's  so we are just informing Iranians.

I am serious about the money :D)))))

Tahirih

Mona Vs. No more religion

To dear Mona 19 and Please no more religion,

I am a reader of Iranian.com for more than 8 years (since 2000). I review most of the items in Iranian.com in a regular basis but I usually do not reply or leave any comments. It is been a while that I am following Mona’s comments and conversations regarding the Bahai Faith. Being an Iranian Bahai myself, I love the quotations that Mona usually post as comments for the articles related to the Bahai faith. Having said that, I must say that I agree with a comment from the other Iranian.com reader in response to the quotes that Mona presented for this clip.

First off all, if there was an article about the Bahai faith; it may be OK to use some quotations from Baha’u’allah in regards to the discussed topics but I could not find any relation between the attached quotes and the presented video clip. One of the main principles of the Bahai faith is to abandon prejudice in all levels of life. Even having prejudice for the Bahai beliefs is not permitted. Dear Mona, if we talk about the “Unity in Diversity”, let’s show it in our actions not just words.

Dear Mona, I wanted to send a personal note to you but I taught that it is a better idea to share it with everybody. Using the quotations as a comment in the Internet or any other public forums is not a good idea. In contrast to what you think, it will have a negative result at the end. You can write or post any article about the Bahai faith and you are more than welcome to post any comments (quotations) related to the appropriate subjects but please avoid from posting the quotes for every unrelated clips in this site. Not every body is thinking like you and it is better to respect the other people who are visiting this site.

I hope that my friendly advice does not offend you, as my purpose from this writing is to share with you my personal opinion about the way you approach the readers in this site about the Bahai beliefs.

May God bless Iran. I wish a free Iran that we, Bahais, and other minorities can live in a harmony, peace, and freedom in a near future.

Regards,

Farshad from Canada

To the person with the name of " no more religion"

Lets read what you said " But there must be a limit to this as they don't seem to be observing any limits themselves. Please, give them their own corner where they can be in there doing whatever they need to do, so that people can choose to read them or not. "

Interesting, this idea sounds really familiar, Um lets see where  did I hear it !!! Oh , yes in south Africa during apartheid!!!

Wow you really are intelligent and bright, great idea, lets send them somewhere far!!!

You know the ignorant clergy did that to Bahaullah over 100 yrs ago , did that work???

The foul land that they picked for him to die , turned into beautiful Haifa!!!!

Respectfully,

Tahirih

To Seagull

Dear Seagull, everyone is capable of making beautiful statements about love, compassion, brotherhood, unity...etc George Bush is speaking of democracy, freedom and human rights while invading other countries, Ahmadinejad is talking about justice, kindness (mehrvarzi) and world peace, the Pope is talking about peace and unity among people of all different faith, so are the Marxists, and so are most other religious and political figures in the world, saying nice things is not exclusive to the Bahais. But people are judged by their actions and by the position take adopt on various issues, not on the slogans they chant.

Now there are some thins about the Bahais that make me feel uncomfortable about them; The fact that they act like a closed Sect rather than a religious minority, the fact that all their opinions, actions, political involvements, businesses, social interactions...etc are all dictated to them by the "community" and planned in advance. This doesn't inspire trust, it gives the impression that you have an agenda that you are trying to reach in a very calculating and manipulating way.

Some of the contradictions between your slogans and actions also bother me; how can you constantly talk about "brotherhood" and "unity among all humans" and yet only do business with your own community? Only marry in your own community? Only participate in social events through your own community?!! Or even post comments on an Iranian public forum such as this one, only according to the "guidelines" of your own community?!!

Or again, how can you talk about compassion, love and human rights and, at the same time, have strong ties with the Zionists in Israel, who are one of the greatest violators of human rights on the planet? What kind of "brotherhood" is that, to befriend occupiers and oppressors who are persecuting other human beings, but protest and make noise only when it comes to your own "human rights" ??!

Please "enlighten" me...

Perhaps too much

I must agree with the people here who are expressing their opinion regarding too much of Bahai propaganda wich tends to turn into proselytization on this site.
As others have expressed, it is just too much Bahai religion being presented in different forms.
There are times and places when it may be good and appropriate... but...

"Et in terra pax hominibus, bonae voluntatis"

Ali1234 you must show more fairness!

After all the allegations and slanders you did not provide a single proof.
Bahai administration is elected by Bahai communities. We don't have leaders with the kind of power you may imagine. There are elected local, national and international governing bodies all elected by secret ballet and no campaigning or promotion. There are no single leaders in the faith with judicial, executive or other powers. The kinds of leaders you are familiar with belong to the OLD WORLD. THIS IS COMMUNITY MEMBERS ADMINISTERING THE COMMUNITY AFFAIRS, NOTHING COMPRABLE TO IT!
Also the agenda of Bahais is very clear, unity of humankind, read the 12 main principles of the faith and tell us if we the Iranians would not benefit from any of them. What kind of enemy would want to enlighten people like yourself. Also as you are well aware Bahais have been preoccupied with the oppressions they have been subjected to for the past 150 years.
Just listen to the nonsense they have fed us to deflect the incompetency!
I would not have been inclined to spend even a single moment trying to convince folks like you of anything if it were not for the sake of brotherhood I feel because of the teachings of the faith.
It is a pity, the world has changed, there are far better, wiser, ways to deal with problems than contention and animosity. It will absolutely deliver nothing to hold grudge, believing that an eye for an eye is going to bring about a better day. Applying the old world mentality to toady's issues will only bring the demise of that mentality, YOU WILL SEE.
I both hope and believe that since Iran is the birth place of the faith, it should also be the 1st recipient of the benefits of its teachings.
All the leaders you are accustomed to have fallen from the grace of guiding the multitude of masses like the Fallen Stars.
Today Bahais are concerned about the civil rights violations against them in Iran and will not sit silently but will demand respectfully and peacefully, and without a doubt this will come to pass. The events of the past 30 years are only a prelude to a nation which will once again be the custodian of tolerance and human rights.
Also you use "many people" to speak for them.
Unfortunately we have all had an earful day in day out from all resources available to the fanatic intolerant few in power, of misinformation about the faith.
You will know the tree by its fruit and you see the fruit of those who teach the children of Iran to hate, to mourn, to be suspicious, to be unhappy, vengeful, without any other guidance. The fruit of their labor is an open book in front of us. You should be fair in your dealings with others but fairness is not what we have been taught by those who took the responsibility to be our educators, much less our leaders.
As I try to articulate what is right I am also relating to you as if your peace of mind and your success and fulfilment or agitation and dissatisfaction of yours were mine. This is as close as I can get to you.
We can accomplish all that we desire and actually be there to witness its fulfilment or we can destroy the future and ourselves in the process. What do you think the God of compassion and mercy would prefer, the RahmanOlRahim! We believe in peace and denounce hypocrisy, that is one of the faith's clear, explicit, and indisputable teaching.
That is why we get persecuted but the faith is still on our lips. Sincerity, fairness and truthfulness, without them PROGRESS IS IMPOSSIBLE, just give it a chance and some time.
At the end of the day, there is nothing sacred, but us, you, me, and the rest. And the best way to keep the sacred, Sacred, is to show tolerance, reverence, consideration and affection towards each other. We are good enough to do this, we have done it in the past, what is holding us back!

Re: Ali1234...

We're associate with everyone in spirit of love and friendliness BUT we don't take part in or lend support to any activity which tends to run counter to basic principles of our faith (love,unity,freindship) .

It may be true to say that NO human institutions are as corrupt as political ones, because man's worst characteterstics find expression.

For the motivating principle which governs politics today is SELF-INTEREST, and their tools are intrigue,compromise, and deceit; and the results are mainly discord,strife and ruin.

So how could Baha'i work within this framework? How could we take part in politics and remain loyal to loftly principles of our faith.

The principles of universality and the oneness of the human race, of truthfulness and honesty, of uprightness and integrity, of love and fellowship are completely opposite to the way in which politics are conducted today.

And Please don't start this Zionist nonsense... no matter where we live we must behave towards the goverment of that country with loyalty,honesty, and truthfulness...that's how we live in our homeland for many many yrs even in times of when they treat us with injustice.

Shab khosh,Sir

Mona

Dear Mona 19,with all due respect !

I know you have followed my posts,and by now you/Tahirih & other Bahai friends on this site know where I stand,but ,I have to agree with our friend "No more religion", on this one.lately we donot see anymore of your nice writings,but you just paste words from " Bahau'llah or "Abdulbaha",....... I personally have nothing against it,but you cannot comment every post with a religious saying!I believe if you use your own words more often,poeple will listen more to you and hence the Bahais plight.

Best whishes

Ebi

P.S.

That one indeed is a man who, today, dedicateth himself to the service of the entire human race.        Baha'ullah

JAVID BAD IRAN

BETTER TO LIVE FOR JUST A SINGLE DAY AS A RULER THAN TO LIVE FOR FORTY YEARS AS AN ABJECT SLAVE

B.K

To Mona 19

Many people don't see Baha'is as just another "religious minority" oppressed by the Iranian government but rather as some kind of sect with a specific political agenda and connected to very powerful entities, mainly the Zionists in Israel.

A few years ago my Baha'i friends would actually leave the room as soon as a political discussion started. They said that it is forbidden to them to engage themselves in any political activities and they should avoid politics as much as possible.

But nowadays, the Iranian websites are flooded with Baha'i articles and propaganda, all with the same political inclinations and arguments, all supporting the Zionist agenda. Plus, in these critical times of instability and foreign pressures, Bahais are going as far as actually BUYING convertees by promising them great business investment opportunities...etc and please don't deny this, I have seen it with my own eyes.

No one will ever trust a sect whose members act solely upon "instructions" from their leaders and their leaders are connected to foreign powers. They lose their status of "religious minority" and turn into a sect in the public eyes.

I rest my case

JJ:

1. As you can see from sweet Mona's reply, she has no plans of stopping, or maybe she feels she has only just begun.

2. Like I said, I have no qualms with what the Bahaii's are saying, I just don't want to have to read it wherever I go on this site, cluttering all the comments sections in related and unrelated posts, while simultaneously appearing as blog posts, news and opinion posts, video clips, and features. It shouldn't be hard for you to go back over the past few months and review their contributed material or their comments to see the increased presence of Bahaii's on the site in a promotional capacity.

3. I definitely commiserate with the plight of Bahaii's, but I don't want them to try and convert me to their religion. What's more, I don't want to keep hearing them all the time, much like I don't want to hear anybody trying to convert me to another faith all the time.

4. I would tell you the same thing if I thought there was overt propaganda of another religious belief on the site, but you have to agree that you only let the Bahaii's get away with this. I am not talking about featuring a Jewish wedding or a Moslem ritual--I'm talking about their out and out propaganda about their religion.

5. I am grateful to you for publishing my comments. So long as you have heard me and now know about my concerns, I guess I'll wait for others on the site to get as fed up with this as me! This is a problem I have for I read most EVERYTHING on the site, so when I tell you that they are EVERYWHERE, talking about Bahaii faith I know what I'm saying!

6. I do wish Mona and other Bahaii's a better life than they were subjected to in Iran and I hope that their friends are freed soon. Everyone has suffered under the Islamic Republic of Iran. Mona's friends and "ham-keesh" have suffered more than many. I hope that suffering ends one day soon for all Iranians. In the meantime, let's Bahaii's stay Bahaii's and let me stay the god-less anti-religion person that I have become. I rather like it that way.

Re: No more religion please !!!

Dear one Don't worry your comment didn't upset me and I won't go into hiding ;))

Mona Mahmudnizhad didn't STOP,did she?... why should I???Here I am another MONA and walking in the same path!!!

They arrested our Baha'i sisters and brothers and put them in jail for NO reason and we have no news where they are ???We don't know even if they're still alive!!!!!

They destroyed our Holy places. They deprived our youth from entering the universities, they're harrasing our children in schools.....and even they demolished our cemetereis.

Please look at these pictures which was taken from our cemeteries in Yazd.

//iranian.com/PhotoDay/2005/February/c1.html

What would you do if that was your case???what you do if they were your relatives????

I defended their rights and talked about Baha'i principles when I was a Muslem and I'll continue as a Baha'i...and if my comments bother you and provoke any feelings PLEASE ignore me and don't read my comments, BUT do not expect me to be quiet, because I won't.

Warmest Regards,Mona ;)

making fun?

this is more like propaganda..who is being fooled here...mannnn

Shame

It is really sad to see what these stupid religious Mullahs have done to that beautiful Country and how the navie people follow these morons.

Of course it could happen everywhere, just look at the morons who follow GW and big Dick right here. How is this different?

They are both like Sheep worshipping the Wolf.

Approaching With Care--Bahaii's

JJ: Look at the comment from Mona on this post. Please listen to my piece now. This has been on my mind for a few weeks now:

1. I hate Khamenei et.al. and the entire IRI regime. I hate the religion they have shoved down our throats for almost 30 years.

2. But I don't want to be bombarded with bahaii propaganda, either. I don't want to be bombarded with any other religion/faith's propaganda for that matter. I'm sick of religion.

3. I love Mona. Well, I loved her more when she was just a nice lady who left inspiring messages for everyone. This new Moballegh Mona, I'm not sure I love as much, but I still love her, she's a nice lady. I really have nothing against bahaii's. For all the cruel treatment they have received from IRI, I feel bad. I really do.

4. But that doesn't mean that I should have to put up with them IN MY FACE wherever I go on this site. They blog, post opinions and news pieces, write features and articles, and I am so happy that they have a forum where they feel free to talk about the crimes committed against them and their beliefs.

5. But there must be a limit to this as they don't seem to be observing any limits themselves. Please, give them their own corner where they can be in there doing whatever they need to do, so that people can choose to read them or not. Their doing this propaganda thing everywhere on the site is getting a bit tiring if you ask me. It is also defeating their purpose, I believe, making us a little weary of seeing them come! You know, like Jahova's Witnesses at our door on Sundays or something. But that point is for them and not you.

6. I promise you that if a group of users (not just one or two people, a GROUP) were publicly and blatently promoting any other religion or belief on this site, you would put an end to this.

7. Please put an end to this. I hope I don't upset Mona into hiding or Tahirih into taking a mean stance with me. I LOVE YOU GUYS, BABA, I just don't want to read bahaii propaganda everywhere, that's all.

O concourse of Persian divines ....

"Erelong will all that ye possess perish, and your glory be turned into the most wretched abasement, and ye shall behold the punishment for what ye have wrought, as decreed by God, the Ordainer, the All-Wise.

This glory, shall be turned into the most abject abasement, and this pomp and might converted into the most complete subjugation.

Their palaces will be transformed into prisons, and the course of their ascendant star terminate in the depths of the pit.

Laughter and merriment will vanish, nay more, the voice of their weeping will be raised."

MONA

stupidity has no limits!

It is sad to see that still many people believe in Khamenie and in what he says.
Everybody lays his load on the willing horse(Khar).

Very Sad

It is very sad that our country is ruled by an illiterate fascist and Nazi like minded individuals whose mere purpose and goal is to destroy Iran and Iranian people.

For the past 30 years they have accomplished nothing. If you look in the fields of science, technology, or social welfare category this governmnet has failed the people.

One can only pray for their destruction and that day is coming.

Zendeh bad Iran va Irani