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One sided View
by Dr. Mohandes on Thu Jun 07, 2012 07:09 AM PDTAnglo jan
I see your view on the how the american politics and more specifically its presidential campaigns are run and i will raise you one! I personally don't think that one can subscribe unilaterally to the view that such campaigns are a menace to the mind and are about money. True. on the surface, it looks that way but in reality and specially since 2004 and the start of the war , the american public has been engaged more than ever and that has resulted in a massive boom in publication of various mind opening books and articles. I really don't think we can discount that in favor of british politics. you or anyone else for that matter can call that devoid of substance.
I actually happen to think that the brits have been adopting certain methods and certain features of the american elections.
Mr. K's contributions can be more appreciated and engaging in debates with him can be even more productive if he would not resort to bashing and condeming the other party, basically denigrating them for abslutely no good reasons.
Vasalam o alaykum va damat hefazato.
I must admit I am not a great fan of American politics
by anglophile on Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:27 PM PDTYou see, having been on this side of the pond for so long and for better or for worse my political perception has become too anglocised to be moved, one way or the other, by the American politics and politcal system of election. No disprespect to my Iranian cousins over there but American political campaigns are too much hot air and too little substance comapred to their Britsh, and even their French counterparts. Over there "money" is the ruler and decides who wins or loses whereas over here it the "mind."
Nonetheless elections go ahead and you must choose one or the other but not being an American citizen I can't comment on which candidate is best for the country's financial or social requirements. As for American foreign policy I believe it is more a matter of expediency than fostering long term relations. Quite the opposte of their British counterparts.
Finally, I must say that Darius is a real gentleman or should I say a Chevalier with a great sense of humour that is better appreciated on this side of the Channel rather than on the other side of the Pond. I know that he is not meaning to be offensive but simply being humourous.
Best wishes for all you :)
Chakeram Mr. reesh Sefid
by Dr. Mohandes on Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:08 AM PDTOstad Anglophile jan I really wish that Mr. K had shared a modicum of your mannerism and the elegance with which you express your pov's. It really bothers me that for at least the last three years, i recall reading the same exact words and paragraphs , even when i was not the party engaging in discussion with him. enough is enough. why adopting a path which involves constant bashing of the others and giving yourself overt credit! I mean Come on brother.
I hope you can mend your differences and patch things up with the Doc over there. I think his heart is in a good place though, i know this even though i failed the cardiology board exam misrably. When they said you have to take the board...i said Ki bord? koja bord? so i did not prepare as well as i should have.
hd jan
I share your sentiments on hussain agah. Does not look like it is going to happen this time around. The damn sonbe is so porzoor no amount of I am hussain agha the community organizer would work. At least i hope that with Mitra mony:) we will begin a new era at the end of which these bastards in iri will get the tar beaten out of them. a short era hopefully.
Gentlemen pleeeeeease!
by anglophile on Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:40 AM PDTSo ? I confirm my Dual Citizenship !
by Darius Kadivar on Wed Jun 06, 2012 07:39 AM PDTWhat does that have to do with being a Citizen of the IRI ?
I still have my old Passport !
I never voted for YOUR Republic nor considered YOUR Referendum Legitimate:Quite the Contrary:
pictory: Bakhtiar Denounces Bazargan's Provisionary Government in exile (1979)
RESTORATION: Shapour Bakhtiar advocates Restoring the Monarchy (Newsweek interview from 1984 given by Bakhtiar in London, UK)
We may be a minority but we did not betray King and Country:
VOCAL MINORITY: Pro Shah and Pro Bakhtiar Demos amidst 1979 Revolution
It's called Loyalty !
PROUD TO BE IRANIAN AND A MONARCHIST: Fereydoun Farrokhzad Up Close and Personal (Mid 1980's)
in his previous post, dk
by hamsade ghadimi on Wed Jun 06, 2012 07:24 AM PDTin his previous post, dk wrote:
"And as much as I believe Obama is Good for the US, I even voted for him against MacCain ... I don't believe he is Good for the Challenges of Middle East let alone Iran ... "
ey khaaliband. ;o)
I ain't a citizen of YOUR Not so ghadimi Republic
by Darius Kadivar on Wed Jun 06, 2012 07:19 AM PDTNever was an Never Will Be :
the funny thing about the
by hamsade ghadimi on Wed Jun 06, 2012 06:57 AM PDTthe funny thing about the diatribes below is that iri may on the surface be called a republic; but in actuality is a theocracy. iri is not a representative democracy, or a republic, but a religious authoritarian regime with show elections.
on the other hand, u.s. and france are republics (closely related constitutions). so for someone who is a french citizen (i assume), and a u.s. citizen (if he claims to be voting in u.s. elections), it's ironic that he gets bent out of shape by anyone who is not a monarchist and falsely claiming that if you're not a monarchist (or a "constitutional monarchist"), then you must be a regime supporter of iri or a "republican."
dk jan, no need to respond. i feel for you man. you're citizen of three countries (u.s., france, and iri) who have rejected monarchy. it may be good to be king (sometimes!) (please don't upload mel brook's video for the upteenth time), but it must be painful to be a monarchist and the citizen of these three countries. ;o)
as for the topic at hand and whether obama is with the iranian people or not: so far he's been more effective than his predecessors. he's actually done very well considering bush handed iraq on a silver platter to iri. not that i'm confident his accomplishments in the u.s.-iri politics will get much talk during the election season, nor would i bet that he'll be re-elected.
DOKOTOR thank you for proving my point ;0)
by Darius Kadivar on Wed Jun 06, 2012 05:43 AM PDT"I mean what else can i say to someone who thinks just because i come here as Dr. mohandes I REALLY AM ONE IN REAL LIFE:))"
But then as I said the lack of accountability has always been your strong suite !
Cheers Mate !
DK
Besides I Couldn't care less if you read or not my responses ... Others do and ultimately that is what truly matters to me ...
Given the thousands of encouraging emails I have recieved
be it online of offline from so many readers from across the world and all walks of life over the years I have contributed to this website including from people you wouldn't even expect would share my views is what gives me satisfaction.Words Fly ... Writings Stay !
DK Jaan jaan
by Dr. Mohandes on Wed Jun 06, 2012 04:15 AM PDTI did not realize you were in a mood for launching yet another one of those Foot-long posts of yours...I love subway you know (not the London underground one...the sandwich dynatsy) LOL.
After having gone through all the "rajaz" that you have done so many times in here, you could not even get an inch closer in responding my question, which as a matter of necessity, i pose to you one more time: Dear Dk, please spare me the History behind who stole whoes BOR and pasted it into his own constitution and tell me Why is it thatyou think it has failed misrably and why do you think it is that the American people are seeking desparately to change this system and going back to the clutches of Madam Queen Joon?:))
DK jan I seriously think you need to seek some medical attention, Because you are so imbued and so passionate about This Constitutional democracy of yours and so blinded by your Mojesty and Majesty and His sense of Righteousness and how every step he takes in directed and geared toward God's promised heaven, Thatyou have literally begun to get your wires crossed My man .
so it is safe to say openly that you are a man whose assertions bear no credibility , despite truck loads of evidence that he supposedly supplies with his each and every post, simply because he has his mind made up that the rest of the world is guilty as HE CHARGES while he is and has been right all along.
HOW do you know that Whethere ME or people Like me Were There Bringing this Filthy ass Ideology and Its leaders To power?
How COuld you be so sure that I was there when this Utterly stupid and Joke of Green movement was taking shape in iran? YOU ARE DEFINITELY WEARING YOUR TYPICAL MONOARCHIST ARROGANCE AND VICIOUS KNACK FOR DENIGRATING EVERYONE, WHY? because In your fossilized Mind YOU ARETHE ONLY ONE WHO IS RIGHT? I will say ZEKKI TO THAT Joonom:)))
What is the meaning of this ?? :)) Hold on don't go away. i got another one for ya, LOL
and see True nature of the regime born from your revolution which ex revolutionaries secular or not supported because they were against the Shah is not my Problem as a Constitutionalist :
If Iran tomorrow is to become a Secular Republic you cannot dismiss your own ideological connection to the Revolution and the collateral damages and human casualties your Republican ideals cost the nation human wise and Culturally.
No Problem with that if you don't disconnect yourself from the intellectual responsibility of those who committed those acts because ultimately they did it in your name. Because ultimately all that was done good or bad in the name of the Revolution is part of your Republican History in the same way all that was done for good or bad by our previous Monarchs including crimes are part of our Royal History.
Oh reallY??? So the mere fact thatyou are sitting there enjoying your Conac and champaign and pass along one accusation after another, and launching one verdict after another, without KNOWING ONE DAMN THING ABOUT, someone who are talking to qualifies you right off the bat To be the Judge of who did what and in whose name? And end up with the conclusion that They are Guilty and you are not??
Also, I was never amongst those who came here and gave you lectures about Human rights and democracy and all the stuff that you happen to know very well about LOL. Only in your mind of course. You are consumed with arrogance and self-fulfillment that you resort to personal insults and humiliation and claiming that if anyone can not understand u then they are the one with problems. THAT IS SO LOW AND SO CHILDISH AND SO SHALLOW , I 'd even think MAshti Reza will give you a nice KICK IN YOU KNOW WHERE, for. That is just pure lack of INTELLECTUALITY and INTELLIGENCE AS WELL KAdivar.
You have not, Not once come here and as you say, Highlighted any shortcomings of the past. Stop lying. All you have done was heaping praises up on prasise on them and then some. Who do you think you are dealing with here?
But what can i say. I have been reading this same line of argument from you from time immemorial. Same damn things every damn time. The cutting and pasting buisness must be paying good ?
Go get some sleep Kadivar. I mean what else can i say to someone who thinks just because i come here as Dr. mohandes I REALLY AM ONE IN REAL LIFE:))
Je susi desolee!! I thought you really were somebody who was putting his money where his mouth was. Now i know i was so wrong.
DOKOTOR Mohandes Not my fault if you feel unaccountable
by Darius Kadivar on Wed Jun 06, 2012 01:46 AM PDTEndorsing a Colonial Power ? ...
No More No less than Your OU BA MA NEEST:
President Obama's Message for the Diamond Jubilee of Queen Elizabeth II
Not my fault if you can't read nor distinguish between irony ( John Cleese) and constructive criticism ...
Question: "Where is the connection between the ideal and utopian multi-party system and, as if that system has failed absolutely and not become the envy of the entire (well, most of the world, i will give you that one) releasing yourself into the arms of Monarchy and remaining in the clutches of some colonial power???"
Answer: Go Read the Bill of Rights which you inherited from the British and merely copied and pasted in your Constitution:
RESTORATION: Britain's 'Glorious Revolution' of 1688 and the 'Bill of Rights'
When Benjamin Franklin who contributed to drafting the American Constitution was asked by a lady:
"Sir What have you given us ?"
Franklin responded:
"A Republic Ma'am ... If you can keep it"
As for "Tanbal and Moftkhor!" Jomhurykhahs ... That's your interpretation of what I said ... I blame you folks for lack of historical and political Accountability Not for your ideals ... Everyone is entitled to have his or hers ...
But you Jomhurykhahs don't take responsibility for your own beliefs and dismiss the slightest historical accountability for what you stand for.
Just like Pontius Pilate: You wash your hands from your own Constituency's responsibility and ideological loyalties as to why Iran today is not a democracy
Asking you folks to be accountable for what you advocate doesn't equate with accusing you of having blood on your hands as you guys often do through your cheap shots ... We are merely asking for intellectual honesty and fairness.
If you want to be respected then practice what you preach !
Or like Voltaire: "I may be against everything you stand for but I am willing to die for your right to defend yours" ...
Well that's What that poor Neda (and other brave folks back home) did albeit herself ...
NEDA WAS NOT GREEN: Father of Neda Agha Soltan speaks up !
Well given that neither of us on IC have the same courage no more than Martyrdom is my Cup of tea the least we can do is take Responsibility for what we advocate !
The same Voltaire who albeit himself became the very Icon of French Republicanism when in fact he actually was a fervent advocate of a Constitutional Monarchy and a Parliamentary Democracy like in Great Britain:
HISTORY OF IDEAS: Ian Davidson on Voltaire's "English Exile"
Why did Voltaire and John Locke believe the English constitution ...
and were Voltaire alive at the time of the Revolution would have staunchly opposed the abolishing of the Monarchy and the beheading of the French Monarchs:
REVOLUTION DEMYSTIFIED: Truth and Lies Surrounding the French Revolution
The minimum I do is to do it with my full name and identity because ultimately I Believe in what I write and advocate.
That's why I try to put Voltaire's Lesson to Practice whenever I see that people of your own Republican Camp are unfairly attacked even if I don't share their views:
DEVIL's ADVOCATE: Mir-Hossein Mousavi 'involved in massacre', says report
But How many times have I seen you folks attack or dismiss Constitutionalists for their shortcomings by resorting to accusations that they are SAVAKI or that they are dictator worshipers because they Legally question the validity of the claim that the events of 1953 were not a Coup but a Counter Coup. So convenient of you folks to dismiss Constitutionalists each time they defend the idea of a Monarchy or System of government with Checks and Balances as the man we consider our Sovereign is committed to:
Crown Prince Reza on importance of "Checks and Balances" of future regime
You have no problem to hold us accountable for what we believe in but dismiss being held accountable for your beliefs ?
The Islamic Republic is the result of the Revolution YOU Folks or your Parents ultimately supported. Some of You even considered the elections of 2009 as a chance to participate in reforming it hence legitimizing the system of government you approved.
That Now you are unsatisfied with the result ( "WHERE IS MY VOTE" ? ):
How YOUR "Green" Color Was Chosen & By WHOME !
and see True nature of the regime born from your revolution which ex revolutionaries secular or not supported because they were against the Shah is not my Problem as a Constitutionalist :
FED UP WITH POLITICAL CORRECTNESS: Ahmadinejad is NOT my Prime Minister !
If Iran tomorrow is to become a Secular Republic you cannot dismiss your own ideological connection to the Revolution and the collateral damages and human casualties your Republican ideals cost the nation human wise and Culturally.
No Problem with that if you don't disconnect yourself from the intellectual responsibility of those who committed those acts because ultimately they did it in your name. Because ultimately all that was done good or bad in the name of the Revolution is part of your Republican History in the same way all that was done for good or bad by our previous Monarchs including crimes are part of our Royal History.
Contrary to you Folks I never claimed that the Monarchy was not built on Blood spilled in the name of safeguarding it:
BITTER LESSONS: Sailors Convicted of Sabotage Face Firing Squad (1953)
ROYAL ACCOUNTABILITY: Crown Prince Reza Praises Mossadegh's Patriotism (ANDISHEH TV)
ROYAL ACCOUNTABILITY: Crown Prince Reza on Torture During His Father's Rule
I take Intellectual Responsibility for what I advocate by Clearly highlighting the accomplishments and the shortcomings of the past.
You Jomhurykhah Folks (Secular or Not ) on the other hand never do ...
You never take historical responsibility for your Choices !
because just like Abbas Milani in order to have a clear conscience and come out smelling like a rose you put the blame of your Revolution's Failure on the False argument that it was "highjacked" by the mullahs.
Nothing is Further from the Truth:
Shah Admonishes The Working Class: "Stop Praying All Day and Roll Up Your Sleeves"
Constitutionalist's Rebuttal of Republican Assessment that Revolution was "Highjacked"
That's called Hypocrisy. You cannot come here boasting about Human Rights and Lecture us Constitutionalists on Democracy when Your Own Revolution Failed and delivered something worse than what you had in mind ...
So Yes definitively intellectually "Tanbal" ( in your very own words) as you have suggested perfectly defines your kind ...
The Fact of the matter is that You are the ones running out of amo ...
You don't have valid counter arguments to oppose to our ideological assessments ... You just have complaints !
For a DOKOTOR or a person with a University degree like yourself you should know better that Merely Not "Liking" what people say or stand for is not a counter argument !
And if you still pretend not to understand what I am saying here ... Then blame your own ignorance and lack of intellectual curiosity Not Mine !
Best,
DK
You might want to see this....
by Bavafa on Tue Jun 05, 2012 09:54 PM PDT//iranian.com/main/blog/first-amendment/war-and-no-peace
'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory
Mehrdad
DK jan
by Dr. Mohandes on Tue Jun 05, 2012 08:38 PM PDTCongratulations on Writing the best and the most off topic and diversionary blog/ response.
I have noticed that you probably have, SERIOUSLY, run out of amo, and have resorted to playfully repeat yourself, just like a nice broken record. Every damn discussion, eventually comes down to one solid and short phrase of COnstitutionalist vs Tanbal and Moftkhor!! jomhorikhah. Okay...i mean.. what is the point...!!!??? Reall what the does this have to do with the price of gas in China...(did i say that right btw)
HD jan
I quote agree with you. we have a serious case of a crash landing, hitting the guard rails along the side of the road and hmm...i don't know possibly a major flip over? so many issues have been mixed up together and so many INTENTIONAL misinterpretation have been made.
SOmething tellls me that ain't the end!
Back to watching Russel peters comedy:)))
Thanks for your honesty mousa67 joon!
by Immortal Guard on Tue Jun 05, 2012 05:42 PM PDTThanks for your honesty mousa67 joon! Finally you are being honest!
So when will the Republicans replace the Democrats?
lion king joon: i nominate you the next king of iran!
by mousa67 on Tue Jun 05, 2012 03:21 PM PDTyou seem to have all the right attributes required from a king of an oil rich middle eastern country :)
but, for that white house invitation, you need to see me first. as you know, we run this country of usa!
LOL
Well Put Amirparviz Jan !
by Darius Kadivar on Tue Jun 05, 2012 02:39 PM PDTBeen a long time we hadn't agreed on something ...
Crown Prince Reza and followers in London (1989) | Iranian.com
PRINCE OF PERSIA: Crown Prince Reza and Iranian Asylum Seekers, London (2005
Related Blog:
RESTORATION: Shapour Bakhtiar advocates Restoring the Monarchy (Interview given to Newsweek in London, 1984)
Make up your mind are you a Mohandess or DOKOTOR ?
by Darius Kadivar on Tue Jun 05, 2012 02:43 PM PDTYou Cannot be both Unless I suppose if you graduated thanks to a Jomhurykhah Revisionist historian living in England (sic) ...
Graduate Student Letter in Support of Dr. Homa Katouzian
Don swears on oath that Rafsanjani hired assistance - Cherwell
Oxford investigates former Iranian president's son over DPhil ...
LOL
An Alternative Idea with Power.
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Tue Jun 05, 2012 02:36 PM PDTA real Leader is one who gets the invitation and mandate to rule based on what he actually stands for and what he defends (not just what he says) and if his own people are honest and wise they would appreciate and support him for his actions, but we don't need to wait for his people to realize he is a real leader. A Leader elected with the support of the people based on advertising and purchasing a reputation with money, does not compare to a Leader that serves the interests of the majority of his people and is presented only by his opponents as a puppet with no popular support.
Losing what ? Your Jomhurykhah Hambasteghi ?
by Darius Kadivar on Tue Jun 05, 2012 02:56 PM PDTSecular or Not We Are Not allies ...
I haven't seen You Jomhurykhahs take the slightest step towards us Constitutionalists to date in the past 33 years except Complain :
COMPLAINING JOMHURYKHAH: What Have the Pahlavis EVER Done For Us ? ;0)
Rather Live without Your FAKE Solidarity !
Tribunal of General Mehdi Rahimi
I stick with GENUINE Patriots :
GENUINE IRANDOKHT ANSWER TO JOMHURYKHAH LOSERS
Faramarz:
by Bavafa on Tue Jun 05, 2012 01:49 PM PDTThat is certainly a matter of [subjective] opinion.
'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory
Mehrdad
P.S. My opinion/stands on this however, should not be regarded as an approval for the IRI behavior and action.
getting invited to WH is not necessarily a good thing.
by Roozbeh_Gilani on Tue Jun 05, 2012 01:44 PM PDTHow many times did the shah himself visit the white house? And where was the WH when he needed it in 1979? How about Ahmadinezhad who keeps inviting himself to New York, hoping to perhaps get a WH invitation on one of his trips?
A real leader, gets the invitation and mandate to rule from the masses (Tudehs....) of his own people. The real leader would be invited to WH as the elected representative of his people, not a wanabe puppet with no popular support.......
dm, i think that dk has
by hamsade ghadimi on Tue Jun 05, 2012 01:23 PM PDTdm, i think that dk has serious case of adhd. you're right that dk got sidetracked from bashing obama and his own comment on the video from faux news to why obama didn't invite rp to the white house (for what occasion, i don't have a clue), confusing polarized with bipolar, claiming i'm canadian (to make an irrelevant point), not mentioning that he's claimed that he voted in the u.s. election for obama (hence, being a u.s. citizen himself) while bashing americans, conviniently forgetting his beloved u.s. citizen rp lives a few miles from white house (in the country that dk despises), ....
i think he's just a hot mess today. ;0)
Mr. Kadivar
by Dr. Mohandes on Tue Jun 05, 2012 01:13 PM PDTI believe that in demonstrating your passion and zeal for the constitutional monarchy with the added touch of liberalism and a dash of repulicanistical idealism, you have decided to get totally side-tracked.
Where is the connection between the ideal and utopian multi-party system and, as if that system has failed absolutely and not become the envy of the entire (well, most of the world, i will give you that one) releasing yourself into the arms of Monarchy and remaining in the clutches of some colonial power???
I am absolutely certain that Americans were much better off receiving her majesty's blessings versus what they have today. Can you imagine the level and the intensity of the envy there...
Faramarz A priori anecdotal evidence my friend
by fidelio5 on Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:34 PM PDTIts well documented that the US played a support role in Libya
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_interve...
Besides as long as Obama won't invite Shahzadeh Reza to WH
by Darius Kadivar on Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:33 PM PDTor even our Shahbanou as the French Presidents have done be them Socialist President Mitterand or President Sarkozy ...
Never Saw Michel Obama or Mrs. Clinton have the same gesture:
shahbanou Farah with Mrs. Chirac.jpg
Shahbanou Farah and Queen Sophia of Spain
Sarkozy with Shahbanou Farah:
FRENCHIES: Shervin Janani-Amouzgar, UMP Militant, Supports Nicholas Sarkozy's Re Election
I don't see why I need to return OU BA MA NEEST a Favor ...
you're losing it kadivar.
by hamsade ghadimi on Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:29 PM PDTyou're losing it kadivar. who's canadian? how did you come to that conclusion? did you have some canadian references you were itching to use? you're one nutty old bat. :)
hamsade ghadimi Not my fault if Americans are Bi Polar ;0)
by Darius Kadivar on Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:22 PM PDTMight as well consider a Mulit Party America ...
John Cleese advantages of Extremism
The YOU ESS OV A probably would have been better off remaining part of the British Empire like you Canadians ...
AN EAGLE HAS LANDED: Obama Hails UK-US's "Special Relationship" during State Visit
All the more that being a Constitutionalist Monarchist is precisely about implementing Republican ideals within a Royal Framework ...
MONARCHICAL REPUBLIC: Political Participation in Elizabethan England
For a Canadian Iranian you should know better ...
ROYAL FORUM: Explaining the Concept of a Constitutional Monarchy to a Staunch Republican
Mehrdad
by Faramarz on Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:21 PM PDTThe act of war was initiated by Emam 34 years ago when he took over the US embassy, chanted death to America and was complicit in the killing of the US citizens around the world.
A cyber attack here, sanctions and a drone surveilance there have not caused any harm to the average Iranians. But I would argue that they have saved the lives of the average Iranians by setting back the nuclear weapons clock and providing good intelligence on the Regime's activities.
The last thing we need in this situation is miscalculation because of lack of knowledge or limited options. But I am sure that it has bruised your ego.
This Regime has to go. You might as well get on board before the train leaves the station.
The real gaffe is…
by Bavafa on Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:01 PM PDTTo have your defense secretary to establish any major cyber-attack as an act of war all the while knowing that themselves have been leading such effort against another nation.
'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory
Mehrdad
Fidel
by Faramarz on Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:55 AM PDTAre you kidding?
Italian Air Force provided the combat aircrafts!
In the weeks leading to the Libyan action, I was driving to San Diego and pulled to the side of the road around Camp Pendleton watching the boys hanging from the ropes from the helicopters practicing rescue operations and for the two weeks that I was there you could see and hear the constant roar of F-16's day and night, around Miramar "top gun" Base.
I knew then that something big was cooking in Libya!
No my friend, when it comes to NATO air power, it is all, the good ol' US of A!