religionoutofgovernment: Question to DrBagherzadah with the link
by ahosseini on Sun Dec 11, 2011 01:53 AM PST
یک شعر - عید شما مبارک (خطاب به اوباما) در مورد واقعه هلند و کمپ اشرف
مردم ایران تنها یک دشمن واقعی دارند وآن هم «حکومت ناب محمدی» است."
دو امضا کننده اصلی ( با پوزش از صاحب سایت, چون ایشان نیز از امضا کنندگان می باشد) این بیانیه آقایان خویی و نوری علا می باشند. جای تعجب اینکه این دو نویسنده شهرت خود را در پیوند با چپ و مبارزات ضد امپریالیستی گروه های چپ کسب کرده اند.
زمانی این دو شاعر و نویسنده خود را مدافع افکار گروه های چپ که جهان را به دو کمپ متخاصم امپریالیسم جهانخوار و اردوگاه سوسیالیسم تقسیم کرده بودند میدانستند.
ولی هضم این ادعا و این استدلال از جانب این دو نویسنده و شاعر( آنهم فیلسوفی همچون آقای خویی) که دشمن دشمن ما دوست ما محسوب میشود بسیار دشوار می باشد.
اینطور به نظر مرسد که این دو نویسنده و شاعر دلبستگی عجیبی به امریکا, اروپا, اسرائیل پیدا کرده و آنان را مدافع و دوست ملت ایران ارزیابی می کنند.
اگر این استدلال غلطی است امید من بر این هست که آقای باقر زاده صریحا اعلام کند که با این دو شاعر و نویسنده موافق نمی باشد.
متاسفانه پیامد چنین استدلالی تایید حمله نظامی و روی کار آوردن یک دولت دست نشانده "یک سکیورالیسم نو نوع وال استرت" میباشد. و دوستان عزیز توجه داشته باشند که این نوع دموکراسی هیچگونه خصومتی با حکومت تبعیض گرای مذهبی نوع اسلامی عربستان سعودی و یهودی نوع اسرائیل ندارد.
اگر این ادعا که دشمن دشمن ما دوست ما محسوب میشود درست باشد پس توجیه این فاجعه انسانی چیست
religionoutofgovernment: I respect your concerns and do apologies if I come across as being divisive as you put it. Just like you I firmly believe in the separation of religion and state, but the element of democracy must be our focal point.
What concerns me is that there are far worse people in secular camp than in some sections of Islamic Green. Bare in mind that Khatami's stance brought Clinton and Albright to the negotiation table with Allbright clearly stating we acknowledge the grievance(in a way apologising for their role in 28 mordad millitary coup) of the Iranian people. However, within the secular camp, some are very much in favour of military invasion which in my opinion has some devastating conseqences.
The very same people who were ralling around Green for a long time, now totally reject Green. They only reject the likes of Gangi and Khatami because the oppose millitary invation, but there is no mention of Sazgara and his gang when they criticise Green, considering Gangi and Sazgara have the same political past.
Military invasion has the same consequences of invasion of Iraq. We are going to see bomb explosions in public places every other day coming most likely from Saudi and Israel or wherever the Iraqi explosions come from. In my view they are the prime suspect as they do it with the intention of killing any democratic movement. In the case of Iraq, Iran is also involved.
Military invasion means killing all institutions of democracy and a long period of bombing campaign and political stagnation in major Iranian cities.
If you want to see the attitude of groups towards democracy, see their attitude while in opposition. If they respect you now, they will respect now, they might respect you when in power. If they don't respect, you stand no chance.
Those who are sponsored by forign powers will only take instructions from forign powers and campaign for military invasion. Those who are for democracy and respect will listen to you, and take instructions from you and go for a proper institution campaigning and overseeing a proper election process.
I am not going as far as considering the superpowers as our enemy. They are not our friends either. They only take the interest of Wall Street members. However, while we don't consider them as friends, we need to coexist and resolve issues through dialogue. In order to progress we need to be independent and independence come from how much we depend on our own people through democratic institutions.
You can clearly see that, since Khamenaei has no support of Iranian people, therefore very recently he bribed Russians with 40bn. That is how it works. The situation would have been different if they did not cheat the election even within their own system.
If you are for military action, just like in Iraq, be prepared to loose members of your family one by one.
I am 1000% agains millitary invation, and will write against it in here for so long as I am to allowed to write.
Masoud: The only common dinominator that we can have is a campaign to set up an assembly for free election. Obviously we can not change the attitude of individual groups. My pressure campaign is just to encourage the members of various groups to ask leaders for accountability. If there is no accountability then the individual makes her/his decision. As for campaign for free election you can not exclude any group as in a free election you can not stop any group from taking part in the election. I personally don't trust many of the political groups. Affiliation to a group should not be a precondition. We can set up registration centres in various parts of US, Canada and Europe, each electing a number of delegates to be elected to oversee the free election process. Seculars who believe in democracy should set up their own independent campain. Others do what they like. But, we should not have a hostyle attitude towards any helping hands in bringing the regime down and that include Green and Reza Pahlavi. We need to use all the resources to bring the regime down. When it comes to election, each fight according to their political stance.
I presume iranian.com can take a very important role in managing this process. This can be done by a committe nominated by members who do not necessarily have to be a registered member of iranian.com.
I do apologies if in my blog came across as divisive as religionoutofgovernment put it.
Believe in a democracy that leaders and representatives are controlled by members at all times.
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