Where have all the little jerks who were trouble and bullies and caused pain on other kids at school gone? Well, unfortunately these guys are still around. Just look around and you will see them everywhere. No more little, they have grown up into big jerks with white hair and even white eyebrows. The wrinkles on their faces and brows can mislead one into believing that life and living have taught these brats of yesterday some wisdom and tolerance and patience. But don't let their pseudo-wise looks fool you. Underneath they are still angry little spoiled rascals that you knew back then. They still try to draw you in with their snake-like charm and then, when you are not looking or least expect it, they stick it to you with all the force that they can muster, making sure that they inflict the maximum physical and or emotional pain possible. The brats and bullies live on. I have known a few and I am sure you have too.
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Khar, I don't know about you but...
by Ostaad on Sat Oct 17, 2009 05:52 PM PDTI sure as hell am a sexist. Wanna know why? Because I have been begging, scheming, and even paying for sex as long as I can remember.
Just like a Marxist who thinks about Marxist philosophy all the time, I think about "getting lucky" all the time, and THAT makes me a sexist. Doesn't it?
سوری جان , مشاعره برای امشب شروع شده است!
Anahid HojjatiSat Oct 17, 2009 05:48 PM PDT
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سوری عزیز , اگر خواستی بیا مشاعره , دنبال «میم» هستیم. بقیه هم به جای دعوا , شعر بنویسید و شعر بخوانید.
Souri, I repeat...
by Ostaad on Sat Oct 17, 2009 05:42 PM PDTI'm so sorry to have caused any hurt feelings...none of that was my intention. I sure do know what having a long day can do to your mood, so I'll go my merry way in a moment.
But for the record, I promise not to hold being classified as a "macho-Iranian" guy by you against you, just to come back and hit you with it in an "opportune" time ten blogs or a month from now!
Also for the record my wife keeps telling me that I'm a pussy, and even my male friends agree with her!
Undoubtedly your time is "worth more than this", and I hope you spend it more wisely than you've so far.
Sure hope that you can manage to have a nice weekend.
oh, one more thing, Ostaad
by Souri on Sat Oct 17, 2009 05:31 PM PDTIt seems that you didn't get my point in that comment titled Wow!
I meant, if someone attacks me or do something wrong to me (or to others) only once or two, I can let it go. It might happen to everybody, even to myself. But if this behavior become a habit and people want to abuse the forgiveness, and continue their vicious or offensive way, then I stand against them!
I always said the same thing and always did the same thing. You are a bit late for reading my comment and understanding my point. Do your homework first!
SEXIST? COME ON GIVE ME A BREAK :o)
by Khar on Sat Oct 17, 2009 05:27 PM PDTNow if anyone talk about bullies on the site and if that bully happens to be a female and now we are the Sexist?????? PLEASE YE CHIZI BEGOO KE BEGONGEH. This has nothing to do with woman's rights or men, Iran or this site in general. This has a lot to do with personality of intimidation and OGHDEH KHOD BOZORG BINI "Napoleon complex". No one in the world can be right on every and all subjects, but one can be a fool with an attitude 24/7!
FYI: BULLIES COME IN ALL SHAPES AND FORMS MALE OR FEMALE!
Ostaad
by Souri on Sat Oct 17, 2009 05:22 PM PDTI'm too tired now, coming back from a big day.
Just say something to you:
Stop it!
You are not supposed to know anything, but when you don't know nothing, just wait and see how things will unfold before launching your free opinion.
Now, you did it. Does it really matter?
And you can make as many rules as you like for your alike friends, the macho-Iranian guys, not for me!
I never address a blog where people gang up to insult me, calling me a pig and other names and they laugh at me!
My time worth much more than this!
Thanks guys
by Souri on Sat Oct 17, 2009 05:13 PM PDTI'm glad that you understand my point. That means a lot to me.
Now, I'm back home and reading my last comment, I've noticed too many spelling and grammatical mistakes. Please do accept my apologies. Thanks for having tolerated a so bad English. I'm really thankful. For now, I have not such energy to go back and correct all the mistakes. Please forgive me again.
New rule...
by Ostaad on Sat Oct 17, 2009 05:14 PM PDTLet's make a rule that comments about blogs, regardless how "low level" they are, should be posted TO THAT VERY BLOG. No carrying over of pent up frustrations kept in the pressure cooker should be allowed because the results are more frustration and utter confusion, in my case - just look at my avatar to figure out what I'm talking about!
For example Souri says, "
What bothered me, was the fact that you had already posted a similar blog "Napoleon complex" which was meant to belittling me.
I didn't address that blog because it was very low level and you know well what was the general reaction to it."
Wow Souri, how was I supposed to know that?!!! Here I'm casually perusing Bajenagh's pretty lame blog sipping my morning chai ghandpahlou, then BOOM, your post comes down like a ton of bricks as I described it before. Then I come up with my stupid post, then Shepesh and his/her alter ego, sag whatever, start their holier than thou BS, thus the thread gets out of whack and the rest is history...
Do we have a deal?
Let's not keep our feedback for the "opportune moment". Let's deal with the subject at hand then and there. I bet we all can live happily ever...wlll maybe for five to ten minutes.
What a comment Souri jan, I love it
by Anahid Hojjati on Sat Oct 17, 2009 04:56 PM PDTDear Souri, your commnet titled Wow was great but I wonder since these guys(the gang) seem to have no clue about how sexist, bully and above all annoying they have become lately.
سوری عزیز , واقعأ که شیر زنی ! امیدوارم خانمهای ایرانی مثل شما بتوانند مقابل حرف زور بایستند و دولت ایران را عوض کنند. این گنگ هم
با وجود اینکه ادعای مخالفت با جمهوری اسلامی را دارد, اما در کوچک کردن زنانی که جرأت ابراز عقیده دارند , بله حتّی جمهوری اسلامی هم
به پای اینها نمی رسد.
Hamoom Zanooneh.com
by Former Fish on Sat Oct 17, 2009 04:34 PM PDTListen to the lot of you! Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who is the bulliest one of all!
Baji Agha, ganging up on one person is the most cowardly method of bullying and it is a favorite pastime on this website. Even the least controversial characters seem to relish engaging in it. Leave Souri alone, at least she is brave enough to come out and dish it out to the rest of you. With the exception of the mother of all bullies who hasn't arrived yet, all of you are here and going at each other's throats. Brats??! Give me a break!
kharmagas jan
by Shepesh on Sat Oct 17, 2009 04:38 PM PDTThank you for your comment and I will always listen to your political discussions. I just dont like people being mean to each other. My long distant insect cousin.
Judge Judy Bullys The Bully - must watch
by Khar on Sat Oct 17, 2009 04:27 PM PDTLord Jim (Shepesh and Sag)
by kharmagas on Sat Oct 17, 2009 04:29 PM PDTAs you guys know I strongly disagree with you politically .... but I found your statements fair regarding Souri.
BTW, before anybody jumps in and says anything ... I confess that I will attack and I have attacked those who have attacked me. That is part of life and that happens no matter what, it is done by high level politicians (Bushes, Obamas, Clintons, McCain ... etc), it is done by monarchists, leftists, Muslims, Zionists, Jews, democarats, republicans,...etc.
As depicted in Lord Jim ( //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Jim ) sometimes you try to run away ... but you are followed and you have to respond.
Bajenaghe AZIZ !!!
by ebi amirhosseini on Sat Oct 17, 2009 04:18 PM PDTYou're BAD & as a friend it is my duty to "show you how wrong you are".
Az maa goftan bood,haalaa hey boro mardom ro analyz kon o "default" oonhaa ro be rokheshoon bekeshoon.
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG5NhkxQJQc
Ebi aka Haaji
They do say
by khaleh mosheh on Sat Oct 17, 2009 04:13 PM PDTthat when you are in a hole- stop digging.
It is interesting that the avatars of donkeys
by Shepesh on Sat Oct 17, 2009 04:30 PM PDTstick together in thought and expression. Anyone told Ostadd/Capt (conjoined twins?) or Khar that sexist methods of intimidation only work in Iran and perhaps left there.
Souri
You are straight forward but not a bully which is the topic of this blog. You are an easy target to some who want to use the excuse of your gender. You are outspoken as a woman and some cannot handle it. What you said was something that hit a nerve. Although I have nothing against the author of the blog who seems to be a gentleman at most part. I do not know the history of your exchanges.
Wow!!
by Souri on Sat Oct 17, 2009 03:40 PM PDTI posted a comment this morning before heading out (am I'm still out of home) and just have a few minutes to read and answer all the people who addressed me. I can't reply to all, sorry!!
But here is some express for now:
1) first and far most Mr BN:
You are completely wrong Sir! Whether intentionally or not, you have mis-interpreted my comment. You said to another person :
"Yes, I was attacked today by souri. She told me that I have unresolved childhood problems and I should see a professional. That I am only a bahgal so I should shut up and say nothing. I guess to souri a baghal has no brain or intelligence to talk and give his opinion. she also belittled my teacher for giving me his opinion about bullies. "
let me explain you, why I wrote that comment today. That was not because I "am paranoid" this is another lesson of psychology freely given by you and your gang here. I didn't take this blog as an offense to myself. Not at all!! Because I know I haven't been participating in any serious blog or at least haven't had any argument recently.
I guessed you have been frustrated in another blog, by the people who were not even addressing yourself personally.
What bothered me, was the fact that you had already posted a similar blog "Napoleon complex" which was meant to belittling me.
I didn't address that blog because it was very low level and you know well what was the general reaction to it.
That was almost forgotten. But now, it seems that this behavior of yours is becoming chronically !!
You think this is normal and admissible that, every now and then you come here and blog your opinion about the psychology of the people. Not only you do it now as a common way of belittling people, but also your friends too, are following your highly intelligent manner and bring the books of psychology here in this blog, to prove that someone is this and that and suffer from paranoia and is not loved and whatever.........
You are wrong Sir and you are doing a wrong thing! Someone must tell you this. Who better than myself, who am already known as "arrogant and offensive and bullying and having a complex...etc etc"?
Now that I am labeled with all those good adjectives, let me be the first person who tell you that you are doing a wrong thing, Sir!
Because your so called friends would never tell you this. And the other people will not take the risk to be labeled, like I am.
What I told you in that comment was neither offensive nor was meant to belittle you, BN. In a very short phrase:
I told you that you are not qualified to psychoanalyze people!
Was it that bad?
You did it once, you repeated the same behavior in some of your comments (not toward me of course) then you repeated it again last night!
I am saying that you are not a professional. You must stop psychoanalyzing people and give the free fatwa about the people that you don't know nothing about their life.
Yet again, today you did the same thing and said that I am and attention seeker and......
Are you a psychoanalyst?
If not, then you must holding back from analyzing people behavior according to the psychology symptoms.
You brought up the Napoleon complex, saying that you don't know nothing about that because "you are a baghal sare khouche" but this is what your "teacher" had told you!!
Who the hell is your teacher?
Is he a psychoanalyst? What a teacher at the primary or the secondary school knows about psychology ? How is his teaching so so relevant that you, as his student are so much capable to detect the same abnormalities in a person, who lives miles from you and you have never encountered in your life?
That was the point! That was why I said, don't trust your teacher too much.
I am not victimizing myself, but you are doing this BN!! Whole my life, I never needed the pity or blind support of anybody, but you do!!
By posting blog over blog about the psychology of the people whom your bullying friends don't like, you try to buy their support for yourself. This is what you said you were doing when you were a child. I didn't invent anything or label you with anything. I just showed you how wrong you are and what wrong you are doing!
I don't agree that I am vicious. You are. Your friend of the your gang here, are vicious, but I am not! This is only your qualification guys.
Agreed, I am not always kind. Sometimes I do not regard the sensitivity of the person that I am directly confronting. I know. This can be a default, but at the same time, I can't have a double standard. When and where I must make a point to someone, and this might irritate them, I don't have the luxury to avoid it.
2) Ostaad:
No apologize is needed. You are free to think what you want to think about me. I don't give a rat......and no, I won't apologize to BN.
3) Capt-
Say what? Go to the library and bring as many books as you can to prove your loyalty to the gangs, over and over. Your old bankrupt methods are too evident to all.
Bajenagh Jaan This is Priceless!
by Khar on Sat Oct 17, 2009 03:09 PM PDTBulls-Eye!! Ironically BN Jaan, I wondered the same thing myself and had the same question, the loved ones bought her a PC with Internet connection subscription :o))
Thanks!
Ms. sag koochooloo
by capt_ayhab on Sat Oct 17, 2009 03:17 PM PDTDue respect, however:
1. The subject matter of the blog is bullying, in which gentleman of the author clearly sets the tone of the thread by posing this question[Where have all the little jerks who were trouble and bullies and caused pain on other kids at school gone?]
2. Opinions and my comments are direct quote form field research filed with Psychology Today, in which experts in the field have presented their research of the subject matter.
3. I personalty have no interest in "observed" or "perceived" "coincidence" by others, since they present no value to me. Hence I will not even waste my time in presenting any rebuttal.
4. If you feel that there are intonations of sexism in the cited report, I would suggest that you contact and take up the matter with the publisher and the researchers who have contributed to the report. This humble commentator had no hand in producing the report. In a nutshell , I am just a messenger.
5. My comments and quotes are directly and categorically related to the issue on hand. I have not deviated from established course of a civil dialogue, neither have I resorted to slander, or supporting of any slanderous comment. There has not been any intention of lecture, since it is directed to the subject matter.
6. My observations of the certain comment directed to gentleman of the writer has been presented with all the evidenced facts herein the thread, without any malice and prejudice.
Hopefully we have better understanding of my comments after this lengthy response.
Respectfully
-YT
cap, do you feel the little dog is trying to grab your paacheh?
by Ostaad on Sat Oct 17, 2009 04:48 PM PDTIt sure seems that way to me. Maybe a big juicy dog bone mixed with complete ignoring can get rid of the barker.
Parasitic characters make it their business to pollute other people's blogs by incessant barking - excuse me, postings. I've got my ear plugs and I suggest you do the same until the barking stops.
It sure seems ignoring the Vet mental case has worked, but unfortunately a dog is a dog and paacheh geeri comes with the territory.
bajenagh khan
by maziar 58 on Sat Oct 17, 2009 02:37 PM PDTthrow a free vine and cheese party in your store.......
and you will see 1000 s of GOOD friends!!.....
from Omran Salahi for you;
in a land full of fears
gerye dar ab che lezzat bakhsh ast.
have a profitable week end. Maziar
Very interesting Mr capt_ayhab
by sag koochooloo on Sat Oct 17, 2009 02:25 PM PDTI do not think anyone here needs lecturing on behaviour from those that support bullies. Even if they happen to be friends of yours.
Perhaps the "coincidence" noticed by others is wrong, but it has happened to more than one person.
And you are resorting to sexism which is not attractive.
P/S Mr. Bajenagh
by capt_ayhab on Sat Oct 17, 2009 02:01 PM PDTP/S to my previous comment, lets see which one of these behavioral patterns we have observed in this one blog alone, shall we?
According to the cited report,
"We've identified a form of aggression unique to females, what we call relational aggression, hurting others through damaging or manipulating their relationships in aversive ways." Like:
1. Spreading vicious rumors[i.e. multipile user names] in the peer group to get even with someone so that other people will reject that person.
2. Telling others to stop liking someone in order to get even with him or her.
[This is called Khaleh Zanak bazi in Parsi]
3. Trying to control or dominate a person by using social exclusion as a form of retaliation: "You can't come to my birthday party if you don't do x, y, and z."
4. They also construct coalitions and demand exclusivity, getting jealous when a friend pays attention to anyone else.
5. Only rarely do relational bullies form a friendship with one of their own kind; they typically choose a very non aggressive peer.
6. In 85 percent of the episodes of bullying, says Pepler, other people are involved in some capacity or as audience[cheering one another - stress is from me ].
[NOTE:This also is referred as Khaleh Zanak bazi in Parsi]
7. What do bullies do when they grow up? In one sense, they never grow up; they are locked in an infantile pattern of non-compliance, frozen into one way of handling problems. Lacking social skills, and especially the ability to handle conflict, their relationships are likely to be unstable and short-lived.
Source: //www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200910/big...
Have nice weekend Bajenagh jan
-YT
Ostaad
by sag koochooloo on Sat Oct 17, 2009 02:12 PM PDTThat said, you seemed to come down on bajenagh like a ton of bricks, which to me came across as over the top, out of context and a low blow.
Perhaps you should give the same advice to yourself, your gang Shah Ghollam, Kharmagas and Mehrdad. Dont be selective on giving out that type of advice, otherwise you appear to be a hypocrite.
Here is a selection of what people are talking about: In articles abusive comments were deleted.
//iranian.com/main/news/2009/10/13/report-iran-used-german-ship-send-arms-syria
//iranian.com/main/news/2009/10/13/u-s-says-seriously-takes-possible-iran-part-yemen-conflict
//iranian.com/main/news/2009/10/14/israel-will-attack-iran-after-december
Souri, if you're reading this thread...
by Ostaad on Sat Oct 17, 2009 04:39 PM PDTI just want to say that my post was purely interned to be a joke. Please accept my public apologies. My bad...
That said, you seemed to come down on bajenagh like a ton of bricks, which to me came across as over the top, out of context and a low blow.
Time to move on.
Anahid Hojjati
by sag koochooloo on Sat Oct 17, 2009 01:05 PM PDTYou have a point about the multiple identities and I have the same suspicions.
khaleh mosheh jan
by bajenaghe naghi on Sat Oct 17, 2009 12:57 PM PDTThank you for reading my blog and your kind and relevant remarks.
What two-faced people!
by Anahid Hojjati on Sat Oct 17, 2009 01:02 PM PDTIt is funny. Som people come write on this comment thread that bullying is really bad but I know how two faced these people are. They are themselves MOTHER of all bullies. Then when Souri says her honest opinion, people get upset. I am with Souri and ex programmer on this blog.
Another person on this comment thread is someone who couple weeks ago , when I wrote that I write political poems, ridiculed me. He wrote that I have been writing about Bob Dylan and summer heat. He was so busy bullying me that he forgot to check about whether Dylan is political or not. Also the other blog was about music not summer heat but again so busy bullying that some people don't have time to check the facts.
Any way, my point is that so far, on this comment thread, I have seen at least two people that are couple of greatest bullies on this site to act like they are very nice. Very two faced. It is as if they forget that we have been reading their comments for months now and we know thery bully other people. Sometimes the bullying is done with cover of using multiple identities.
ex programmer craig jan
by bajenaghe naghi on Sat Oct 17, 2009 12:54 PM PDTsince you do not know me and have only read two of my blog, please let me explain that there are two topics that I do not write on, one is politics and one is religion. I also do not comment on blogs that deal with either of these two topics.
I also have written about the negative effects of ganging up against other members of this site. It is not fair and only results in producing anger and hate. There are enough of those in the real world.
I have never been rude to anyone including to souri. I do not know her or her likes and dislikes. I wrote a short blog yesterday and this morning when I opened the site I was surprised to see that I was attacked by her in a most virulent manner and my sanity and integrity questioned.
Wouldn't any person at least try to defend oneself if attacked for no reason at all? Isn't that a normal thing to do? And isn't it also normal for other people to also support a person who has been wrongly victimized? Is this ganging up or just a support system? I did not attack souri. I only defended myself and as I am trying to do now.
Dear Bagenaghe Naghi
by khaleh mosheh on Sat Oct 17, 2009 12:30 PM PDTI like your laid back and philosophical style, which appears to embed a great deal of wisdom.
Luckily I did not have much problems with bullies at school but occasionally came across some at work but thankfully that was also limited in extent.
Over all I think the sum of of what you are saying here makes great sense-in particular the bit about freedom of speech in Iranian.com.
Best wishes