bajenaghe naghi

Freedom of Expression versus Bullying

I do not think that people should be free to manipulate and misuse the concept of "freedom of thought and expression" to intimidate . That is an abuse of Freedom of Expression. There is a difference between expressing a different point of view with reasoning to bullying or using force to try to "win" an argument. There is a line there.

To ExProgrammerCraig

I agree with your comments below. It seems that there already a gang forming and ready to label Souri as a bully, but not ready to recognize others as bullies because they form a useful ally to either their own political beliefs on Iran in future discussions, or to their intent of the moment. Laughable.

Anyway, interesting and revealing blog. Thanks.

Ostaad

nyah nyah nyah... you have no friends... nobody loves you... nyah nyah nyah.

Just like the playground, right Ostaad? And which kids do that kind of thing on the playground? Hmmmm?

bajenaghe naghi, I don't know you. I think I've only read a blog you wrote once, and it wans't political. But based on the way you high fived Ostaad who is one of the most absuive people on IC, I think maybe Souri wa making valid points.

Just saying. If you don't want to be associated with people like Ostaad, then why are you slapping his ass when he helps you gang up on somebody? And if that is your game, then what the hell was this post about?

Mr. Bajenagh ...Fonts edited to make the points

Some time ago I read this great big article in Psychology Today which seem appropriate to copy some excerpts here, I am certain you will enjoy reading it.

Link: //www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200910/big...

Excerpts:

[Bullies, for the most part, are different from you and me. Studies reliably show that they have a distinctive cognitive make-up—a hostile attributional bias, a kind of paranoia.

They perpetually attribute hostile intentions to others[wink].

The trouble is, they perceive provocation where it does not exist[wink wink]. ...........

They endorse revenge.] Which precisely explains what happened here in your blog. [Wink Wink Wink]

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Bullies turn into antisocial adults, and are far more likely than non aggressive kids to commit crimes, batter their wives, abuse their
children—and produce another generation of bullies.

End Excerpts

Regards

-YT 

P/S I ran out of [Wink]s ;-o)

I'm not sure who you guys

I'm not sure who you guys are talking about but anyone Ostaad insults so much must be a pretty nice person :)

And am I the only one who finds the amnount of bullying in this anti-bully thread a bit ironic?

ostaad jan

I hope you are wrong. That would be terrible.

It is not for us to judge, but being free souls, we can only wonder. 

bajenagh...what makes you think she as any "loved ones"?!

Maybe she has kidnapped a few foldks and kept them in chains, behind locked doors and windows with iron bars (:<{)

capt_ayhab jan

I thank you for your kind remarks.

Yes, I was attacked today by souri. She told me that I have unresolved childhood problems and I should see a professional. That I am only a bahgal so I should shut up and say nothing. I guess to souri a baghal has no brain or intelligence to talk and give his opinion. she also belittled my teacher for giving me his opinion about bullies. 

I am just wondering if souri is so opinionated to strangers and so controlling from thousands of miles away, how does she behave with the loved ones who live with her in the same house.  

red Wine jan

 I hope you had a very enjoyable evening and now you are shangool and mangool.

Thank you for your kind comments.  

sag koochooloo jan

in an earlier blog I wrote about a bully at my school and my conversation with my teacher and his take on bullies in general. It was just a story and was only meant as a story. It was, however, misunderstood by some people, as is the case with this blog. Neither blog was aimed at a particular person.

In this blog I continued my thought about bullies into adulthood. I had no agenda to upset anyone. If you read my earlier blogs you will find that I just write what is on my mind. I do not write to teach or hurt or preach to anyone.

I think any one of us here should be able to write anything they wish as long as they stay in the civil framework set the publisher of this site and our own integrity and intelligence. No one should be censored or censured for writhing something that is against the trend or the general agreement of the people here.  

The beauty and the exciting part of this site is that the freedom of thought and expression are respected and this freedom is given to everyone. We are all adults and should not wait or expect for JJ to set the rules. I am sure he has enough on his plate to watch over us like a kindergarten teacher.

I thank you again for reading my blog and for taking the time to respond. 

Mr. Bajenagh

You have proven your point by having such  an vicious personal attack on your person, by the loudest and most belligerent person on this site.

I really commend you for being such a gentleman who has kept his cool in the face of such audacity and viciousness.

A bully, despite their large body or big mouth, is an weak and miserable person inside. They project their weakness and lack of confidence by attacking others, whether verbally or physically.

My hat off to sir.

-YT 

bajenaghe naghi

Just wandered what you wanted to achieve from this blog. I think it brings up the subject of bullying but stops where any action is required. What is the point to go half way? Is it a hidden message to bullies? I have noticed that there is only one or two people on the website that actually stand up to bullies on behalf of other people being slandered , while others remain silent. I think if you feel strongly enough to bring the subject up it must serve a purpose or result in some action.

Would the action be to ask JJ to add a clause to stop harassment and slander? Would another action from persons be stand up to bullies on behalf of other people being slandered, to stop the degeneration of the standard of discussion boards ? We all know who the bullies are, they try to force their views on others to the point that I think some people have stopped commenting when they see some names appearing in the discussion. They do not want to risk becoming at the receiving end of irrational rants.

Where is the message and purpose of this important subject brought about in your blog?

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با جناق جان ...

شما از بزرگان هستید و کاشکی‌ که این سایت افراد بیشتری مثل شما را میداشت.

هستند افرادی که متاسفانه ضعیف الحال هستند و به دنبال شر میگردند، سر شما سلامت باشد که اینها هیچ کاره اند.

مرحمت شما عالیجناب زیاد و مستدام.

ex programmer craig jan

thank you for your comments. I really did not mean anyone on this site. I was talking in a general manner and had no one in mind when I wrote this. 

I do agree with you that sometimes young victims grow up and become offenders themselves.

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Oh my gosh, Site administrators actively encouraged bullying? Is that true?

bajenaghe naghi

Yes, bullying is a problem on this website. It has been since the format changed to allow blogging and commenting. It seems to me that the site adminstrators actively encouraged it. I could be wrong I suppose, but I get the impression they(he?) likes the wild-west atmosphere here.

I disagree with you that repeat offenders (anyone can lose their temper once in a while) were or are bullies in real life, though. I think they are more likely to have been the victims of bullies. The anonymity and (physical) safety of the internet encourages people to act in ways they would never act in person. In the case of people with a lot of pent of rage and resentment (victim mentality) they have the perfect opportunity to do to others what has been done to them all their lives.

Anyway, I just wanted to say it's a worthy effort. But I doubt the tone will ever change here... the damage has been done. And no, I don't want your list of names... I might be on it for all I know. As much abuse as gets thrown at people on this website, I suspect every one of us would have a different list of offenders.

ostaad jan

I was a very shaytoon boy when I was at school. I did not bully anyone, but because I was shaytoon, and very bad in my studies, I associated with and or attracted "undesirable" friends. 

Now let me tell you a story about how shaytoon I was. Since I was a very poor student with nomres averaging 8, and my dad had a very heavy hand and i hated to get tu gooshi, I used to break into the headmaster's office through the window, break into the steel case and "take" blank report cards and fill them up with 19s and 20s and present them to my parents.  

bajenagh...I hope you don't mind me asking...

Why were YOU friends with people at school who "stole or beat up on other kids"?!!! Or, looking at it another way, why were they YOUR friends?!!! Did you ever try to do ANYTHING to stop them?!!!

Just wondering, that's all.

thepope jan

Now I now why they call you the pope. They are so scared (?) of you :-) 

maa chaakerim. be khoda, the father, the son, and the holly ghost. 

Ki, koo, kojaa ?

Shagheh shaghash meekoneem!

BN jaan, kaareet nabaasheh, faghat aksesho bedeh...;
vaasat 2-soot paareh poorash 'koneem bendaazeem door!! ;-)))

Ebi jan

I always knew I could depend on you and your people's sharp teeth ;-)

Merci baraadar 

Bajenaghe AZIZ !!!

Bad khaah mad khaah daari begoo begam shaahragesho bejavand!!

Pir shi aziz.

BTW:

Irandokht jaan:

Mane mane kalle gondeh!!

lol

Ebi aka Haaji

anonymous8 jan

thank you for your comments. 

Red Wine jan

I am going to be there with you and other friends in spirit. My next drink of red wine tonight will be to your health. 

yolanda jan

I think you are quite correct in what you say.

I just wish they would find me ugly and smelly enough to keep away :-)

Go on

Name and shame them .... (Am I one of these?) ... I took part in the Israel blog. I

I agree completely!

having just come from the "Israel" blog where a couple of people are beyond shame!

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خوب نوشتی‌ با جناق جان ...

امشب ... نفس داریم و تا دلت بخواهد شراب ! خوش داریم یک سری به ما بزنی‌ و با دوستان دیگر به موسیقی اصیل یونانی گوش دهیم و همینجور شادمانه تا صبح خوش باشیم و حسودان را دل‌ بسوزانیم.

آخر هفته خوبی داشته باشی‌ با جناق جان .

irandokht jan

From one friendly person to another, I thank you for being so nice and sweet. 

No one has upset me to write this, but I have seen grown ups being like asses and rude and this is what is bothering me. What these people do remind me of the rude friends I had at school who stole or beat up on other kids. So I was thinking that brants do not go through metamorphosis and emerge as nice and caring people. They stay the same inside and only change physically. They become adult bullies. 

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Hi! BN,

    Great blog! I think some of the bullies just over-compensate, they try to cover up their low-esteem by inflicting pain on others! Another possibility is that they want to feel important and they crave the attention!

Take care and best wishes always!

right on BN jan!

Good observation!   They're probably the same people just older, less charming and more bitter.

but I really want to know who's upsetting one of the friendliest people on this site! 

IRANdokht