Musings of a former chicken

Gentelman's agreement

There is a gentleman’s agreement to not name names that I strictly abide by. I am not others’ keeper and as far as I’m concerned they can throw a telephone directory worth of names in any back and forth for it will have the same effect.

Dear Abarmard

I admire your laid back and positive attitude my good friend :o)

Happy Weekend to you too!

IRANdokht

PS: you really don't want to give the translation a shot? ;-)

Mr Zahrai

When did I defend Dr Sahimi on this thread? I mentioned Fred's style of responding to the articles that I post which are written by Dr Sahimi. Maybe you're not reading all the comments before making an observation?

If you have the time to read the comments, you could check for yourself and see that Fred brought him up first anyway.

Well...  unless you meant to insinuate something else which I wish you'd speak up without resorting to the passive aggressive approach. 

Regards

IRANdokht

Dear Midwesty: sorry, I

Dear Midwesty: sorry, I tried to "get somewher" but failed.

Dear Majid: Fred and Mr. Sahimi depict a mini-microcausm of what prevents us from uniting and defeating our **rea**l enemies.

Dr. Sahimi is one of the most brilliant and objective Iran experts thus far who deeply cares about Iran's future and forsees the danger facing our nation in the next few years. 

Dokhtar e Iran

Don't worry about the AIPAC language: blah blah blah Islamists blah blah blah Islamists blah and so on.

Fekr naan baash keh khabozeh aab ast.

Happy weekend :)

Forgive my ignorance

but what is the significance of Dr. Sahimi to this discussion? Is he on this thread? Is he a site user? And why do IRANdokht and vildemose sound so similar in defending him? Why does he need to be defended at all? Sorry, trying to make sense of this discussion.

doostan aziz

Would you please help out and translate the latest Fredism for me? I think when he got caught red-handed and realized his hypocrisy is exposed, he lost it completely and some of the gibberish that came out might be just a side effect. But I'd hate to judge hastily...

IRANdokht

Bull in a china shop

Unlike fashions conscious of this world there are some who are not afraid of labels least of which coming from the wishy-washy. These people have got to force themselves to understand a simple concept, not all succumb to hate as is the case with the Islamists.

  For some hating is only a distant second to love and when the object of their love is in the equation hating her tormentor is well measured, calibrated and not a blind one by a long shot for the price of miscalculation is simply unimaginable.

it is a bull in a china shop thing, an aficionado of fine china will never let a mad bull, hate,  run amuck in the shop.

Blind hate is the currency of the ignorant, the fashion conscious of this world might want to read up on what has been said and done about attracting allies in the hour of need, Churchill’s is a good start.

Fred

Are you a "fashion conscious" person if you support AIPAC but claim you have never supported military attack on Iran?

"fashion conscious" is your term not mine! You called me fashion conscious for supporting Mousavi as the leader of the green movement but not Makhmalbaf for his support of the sanctions.

Your case is even more of a wishy washy nature my friend! AIPAC is the same organization throughout with a solid stance on issues that are in favor of Israel's interest, not two different people speaking at different times in different countries. 

In addition you're also a hypocrite since you show double standards and accuse people of what you seem to do freely yourself.

IRANdokht

    Irandokht is

Irandokht is right. Nothing is free in the world of politic. Is the price worth it in the long run? Who will benefit in the short-term. Can we discuss this.

I think, We don't need AIPAC or Obama, or the hardliners to determine our path.

Dear Fred and Dear Dr.

Dear Fred and Dear Dr. Sahimi:
At the expense of souding naive and even idiotic but I think If the two of you can't come together and resolve your issues right here on this thread then we won't have any chance of seeing peace for Iran  anytime soon.

I'm really afraid for our Iran. All signs indicate the worst possible senario in the next few years unless we the people decidedly and actively turn things around by outsmarting our enemies.

Nothing's free!

Fred says: ...a powerful lobby to materially and morally help Iranians to overthrow their Islamist cutthroats oppressors,...

You think AIPAC helps Iranians out of the kindness of its non-existent heart?  Or maybe you know what the price is and you are willing to pay. That would be treason even if you're doing it based on the hate you feel for the IRI regime.

IRANdokht

You assumption is basically wrong

The vicious lobby has nothing in mind but the interest of its constituencies. There is no "IF". You sell your soul then you are hooked for rest of your life. It would be stupid of you if you could ever think that you can outsmart a well-oiled machine that runs half of the world. The smartest thing you can do is not get even close to them. You eat your sweet melon then expereince the nasty shiver!

Dear Fred: I understand your

Dear Fred: I understand your dilemma. Have you ever tried to explain your position to Dr. Sahimi in a non-confrontational manner?? Don't you want him on your side if you could persuade him? Why personalize disagreements.

If we can't resolve our

If we can't resolve our conflicts here on IC in cyber space, how could we expect our leaders to do the same?

Principles of conflict resolution:

//www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/TJP.CHAP10.HTM

Sweet watermelones

If the question equates someone who advocates for the Islamist cutthroats to have the ability to manufacture nuke bomb with someone who supports certain policies of a powerful lobby to materially and morally help Iranians to overthrow their Islamist cutthroats oppressors, then the answer is very simple.

This year watermelons are exceptionally sweet in Turkmenistan .Gone down this road before many times, no more. Take care.

I am listening

I am listening

midwesty jan: Not to worry.

midwesty jan: Not to worry. Stand by, we might get somwhere...lol

Vildesome,

The reason is we've been exploited in centuries by the west and east but only and only with the help of traitors.

midwesty: Sometimes you

midwesty: Sometimes you need to become a second grader to resolve a second grader's mentality.

What do you accomplish by trying to mock me? anything?

vildesome,

I take it back!

Wouldn't it be more

Wouldn't it be more constructive if we could  stop l this childish bickering for God sake. Iran is at a precipice  of utmost importance. We have too many enemies to cotend with. We should unite and not let other determine our destiny. 

Russia wants a weak Iran; hence, their support of Ahmadinejad because he will enusre the invasion of Iran in a few years.

 Neocons want to make Iran weak by lengthy sanctions so they can attack Iran at its most vulnerable.

Hardliners, IRGC, Khameni et al are all thinking of their own survival and transferring Iran's treasury money to Turkey and living Iran destitude...

Why don't we try to find a way out of this mess instead of undermining each other because of minor differences in styles and ideologies?

Dear Fred: Do you think Dr.

Dear Fred: Do you think Dr. Sahimi's "nuke loving" stance automatically makes him a supporter of IRI??

Do you think 'not hating the AIPAC' automatically makes you an Iran-hater, wishing its bombardment to smitherines?

Nuke in the hands of the Islamists

by Mammad on Sun Feb 15, 2009 05:11 PM PST

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.  "The crux of the issue about Iran's nuclear program is, in my opinion, as follows: If Iran has the ability to make the bomb on a short notice, it becomes unattackable. That is not something that the US and Israel can tolerate. They want to be the hegemone of the Middle East. Mammad "

Thank you Irandokht jan. I

Thank you Irandokht jan. I have to read his replies when I have time. I wish Fred and Dr. Sahimi could get along because they both seem to love and care for Iran.

Vildemose

Fred has already commented on Dr Sahimi's article on China and Russia:

//iranian.com/main/news/2009/08/05/why-ru...

and if you look at Sahimi's articles that I have posted in news and opinions, he's been usually the first one to comment and almost always with the same type of repetitive slogan-based nonsense.

But I applaud you for trying to talk sense into him.

IRANdokht

Abarmard,

It is childish to think in this overwhelmingly and politically complicated world, armed with psychological warfare, we need a straight statement from a politician whose researches are funded by AIPAC lobbyists and he can’t imagine a life without AIPAC’s support to prove that he is a pro-war character. He didn’t need to announce his advocacy for war, because he was busy to uproot any attempt that would stand against war on Iran. That’s the real, tangible and factual statement for me, his action.

Here is a list of Mr.

Here is a list of Mr. Sahimi's brilliant articles:

//original.antiwar.com/sahimi/2009/06/23/irans-election-drama/

//tehranbureau.com/looming-confrontation-khamenei-irgc/

//tehranbureau.com/american-lefts-misguided-support-ahmadinejad/

What a show, Fred!

First I thank you for reaffirming my long suspicion of your soft side for AIPAC. (I am just being polite we both know how deep this rabbit hole goes).

And yes when there is one voice whose mission is to prevent war against Iran being attacked the natural reaction is,  either you are a traitor or you are the enemy, in which both are the same. As simple as that. Now go dissect my words.

Thank you Fred, again. I

Thank you Fred, again.

I don't know about NIAC or CASMII's often flip-flopping stance on IRI. However, Mr. Sahimi is not an IRI supporter.

He has done a  superb job of analyzing and informing the international community by writing the most original and comperhesive essay on recent event occuring in Iran and in none of them I detect an IRI's supporter.

His lates article is a breath of fresh air in being the only voice warning us about Russia and China:

//tehranbureau.com/russia-china-irans-violent-crackdown/