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Afshin , 350 +

slowly the IRI sleeper cells  will recover from their fasting fatigue and start fighting the " Mofsed fel Arz's).

Shaad Zi

Bund, Jimz Bund

reason # 23

مصباح یزدی : لواط و زنا با زندانی سیاسی به منظور اعتراف گیری توسط بازجو جایز است

1- آیا اعتراف گیری تحت فشار و شکنجه روحی و روانی و جسمی اعتبار اسلامی دارد ؟
ج - اعتراف گیری از ضد ولایت فقیه به هر شکلی جایز است

2 - اعتراف گیری با استفاده از مواد مخدر و افیون و داروهای کدوئینه جایز است ؟

ج - اعتراف گیری از ضد ولایت مطلقه به هر شکلی جایز است .

3 - آیا بازجو میتواند به زندانی تجاوز جنسی کند تا اعتراف بگیرد ؟

ج - احتیاط واجب آن است که قبل از اینکار حتما وضو بگیرد و هنگام عمل ذکر گوید .اگرزندانی زن است هم از فرج و هم از دوبر دخول اشکال ندارد بهتر است در محل بازجویی کس دیگری نباشد . اما اگر زندانی مرد است احوط است در حضور دیگر باز جویان دخول صورت گیرد

4 - اگر زن زندانی حامله شود تکلیف چیست ؟ یا آن فرزند حرامزاده است ؟
ج - فرزند ضعیفه ضد ولایت مطلقه فقیه مطابق نص قران مجید در هر صورت حرامزاده است چه توسط بازجو باردار شود چه توسط شوهرش . اما اگر بازجو فرزندی طفل متولد شده را گردن نهد ، بنابر احتیاط واجب طفل حلالزاده و شیعه اثنی عشری است .

5- آیا تجاوز جنسی در زندان به مردها و پسران جوان لواط محسوب نمی شود ؟
ج - خیر . چون زندانی بدون میل و رغبت به آن تن داده است . البته اگر جوان مفعول را خوشامده باشد احتیاط مستحب آن است که دیگر این عمل تکرار نگردد

6 - تجاوز به دختران باکره در زندان چه حکمی دارد ؟
ج - اگر قرار است زن را اعدام کنند ، برای بازجو به اندازه یک حج تمتع واجب صواب دارد و به همان اندازه بر گناهان دختر افزوده میشود . اما اگر زندانی قرار نیست اعدام شود ، به اندازه زیارت کربلا برای بازجو صواب دارد.

ج - اگر قرار است زن را اعدام کنند ، برای بازجو به اندازه یک حج تمتع واجب صواب دارد و به همان اندازه بر گناهان دختر افزوده میشود . اما اگر زندانی قرار نیست اعدام شود ، به اندازه زیارت کربلا برای بازجو صواب دارد.

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"Better to live for just a single day as a ruler than to live for forty years as an abject slave."

.B.K

IranPars #22,

As they say in North America : If you talk like them , if you look like them, if you walk like them , then you are one of them". outwardly and somtimes inwardly Iranian Muslims look and behave like Arabs , have Arabic names and have to spend time trying to explain that they are Iranians !!! 

Bund, Jimz Bund

Ramin Tork, what more bashing ?

Ramin Khan, Iranians are going through one of the most imporatnt periods in their history, all we do and talk should be about ways of salvaging Iran and Iranians from the fangs of Akhunds and their barbaric system based on a 1400 year old religious and man made beliefs. Iranian.com is doing its share and has everyone's respect for being a non biased media. Off course nothing is sacred and that scares some scardaces !,

As`per your detailed points and without repeating myself , I might have to say:

- Other religions were barbaric too but that was in the dark ages ! not in the 21 st century .Islam has to adopt to modernization but fanaticism and power struggle doesn't allow that. it is killing itself !

- If we were not soverign nation which propmpted others to topple Shah then you have read the IRI history books .

- we have developed Stockholm Syndrome , siding ith the invaders and blaming our past for our misery.

If any  person thinks that Islam has anything positive to contribute in the 21st century then he needs to stop going to the mosque and get a job ( life).  

Bund, Jimz Bund

Ramin

I suggest you go read some books on the Constitutional Revolution, and you will see the mullahs of 1979 latched onto the residual side-effects that were set in motion by Akhund Nouri. The roshanfekrha-ye enghelab-e-mashruti (the intellectuals) did not want a clause that mandated all Iranian laws to be supervised by Shiite clerics so as to pass Islamic muster, but Akhund Nouri, even as he was executed, managed to accomplish just that.

Trust me, that was NOT a minor victory for the mullahs, and what they managed to unleash decades later. But you keep saying the mullahs did not sabotage the constitutional revolution -- as if saying it repeatedly will make it so.

Secondly, Sunni mullahs in Turkey are not even in the same league as our bastard Shiite mullahs in Iran. It's like the major leagues and the minors. It was not Reza Shah's fault, nor the Shah's, that Shiite clerics had so much power in Iran under the Qajar and Safavid dynasty. You made no reference to Mullah Mudaress and his role in all of this -- anyway, I don't want to argue about this issue.

We have seen, history has in fact shown, what mofos our Shiite mullas are, and have been for at least 200 years. Your analysis, is wholly devoid of substance, and I don't mean to insult you. I apologize if I did, but you constantly keep scratching the surface on these matters without considering the many profound political and socio-economic difffernces between Iran and Turkey, post World War I.

For example, did the British orchestrate a coup d'etat in Turkey as they did in Iran in 1921? Did the British, Americans and Russians invade Turkey in 1941 as they did Iran? Did the British and the Americans orchestrate a coup d'etat in Turkey in 1953 as they did in Iran? Did the British and the Americans orchestrate a revolution in Turkey in 1979 as they did in Iran?

Hardly.

And I submit to you that because of the presence of OIL in Iran, and the parasitic role of the Shiite clergy, our politcal growth has been stunted, retarded, if not hijacked, and this is so because the superpowers in the 20th century always used the mullahs as a way of keeping the natives backward and in the dark, and therefore, ripe for looting. 

If you were a superpower and it was in your national interest to control our oil, who would you support? A native modernizer or a reactionary mullah?

There's NOTHING wrong with the Iranian culture -- for you to point the finger at our culture and give our parasitic mullahs and their backward religion a free pass is nothing short of preposterous!

Are you saying Iranian culture is somehow inferior to Turkish culture -- and is the cultural difference that you speak of the only reason why Turkey is in a better place today? Are you seriously making that argument, because if you are, we're done.

To compare Iran with Turkey is a fool's erand, as I mentioned Turkey has NO oil, and no Ayatollahs, period! Two HUGE factors in the retardation of Iranian political maturation in the 20th century!

Good night and I thank you as well. 

DEATH TO ISLAMIC FASCISM

SASSAN

This is appalling. I hope

This is appalling. I hope it's not true.

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Sorry Sohraby

You are right.

As stated not all info on the Blog are bashing and I would not argue about the point you made, or perhaps just say that is in the nature of nomadic cultures and exists in other places not just Islamic cultures. It is a valid point, I was talking about an overall look at IC and its contents and making the point that we must make a distinction between bashing and constructive comments.

I didn't even say that the arguments that IranPars had made were bashing, I deliberetely avoided any names.

He accused me of being condesending even though I had made a valid point and then he started being insulting instead of focusing on the arguments. He made some good points though in response to my argument but I think I answered them and now I'm going to bed!

Sassan

Sunni Clerics are just as bad as Shiiai ones, mullahs tried but did not succeed in sabotagging the Constitutional Revolution.

I'm glad you mentioned  machiaveli in his book the prince who says:

In the section:

IV Why the kingdom of Darius conquered by Alexander did not rebel against his succesors after his death

A short answer of a long section is because unlike France it was mainly ruled by one man and when he is killed he is replaced by the conquerer.

This demonsrates two points one being that we had such shortcoming in our culture or power structure that made us weak.

Now for the second.

When in Turkey they had a similar issue ataturk although a strong minded leader trusted the other institutions to safe gaurd the constitution, whereas Reza Shah didn't and Mohammad Reza Shah didn't so when they went unlike Turkey there was vacum and the enemies of the state in this case the Mullas managed with our so called intellectus handover poer to Mullas.

So at the end it was the way the power structure was formed.

As for an enemy, an enemy is always out there, a nation needs to know how to protect itself. OK you might argue that our Islamic culture made us weak, if you did I would give you that but you must also recognize our own weakness too.

It is 1:15 UK time and I'm going to bed. Even though you have been insulting I Thank you for the debate!

Long live Iran.

Dear Ramin-t

I asked you to give me some examples from my comments that need to be  factual. Do I need to introduce some people to you who had a marriage with a  close relative to be more factual? Do I need to introduce some sceintific and medical books to support my claim that such a marriage is a biological risk to the children?

Let's see for how long Turkey remains a secular state. It is like the interaction bet/  germs and body as you mentioned in your last post. Isn't wise to get rid of the germs?

Dear Afshin

No it is not going to be a 350+ at least not from my side.

You had a taster for it, I'm not in for the thrill, I think others are.

I'm here because I wanted to make a point and made that point. Now if people don't want to listen then that is their choice.

Besides it is an old trick to sidewalk as IranPars is doing now. He didn't respond to my 10 original counter points, the Blog had started with those 10 points I'm not going to go into futher tangles of a long debate. Being insulting and sidewalking arguments are old game! Why should I be chasing his tail when he should had been answered my objections?

If he genuinely cared about IC and Iran perhaps he would.

Now on this Blog if you look back as in your Blog I didn't name names and said this person is being or that one isn't but on both occasion he took it upon himself that it is him I'm pointing my fingure at.

Have a look at this Blog and all the others we've had is this really how IC should be? You asked the question yourself and here we are again?

I understand why people are angry, you must not forget that I have been in the position of all these Bloggers myself but since I care about IC and Iran I know hating is not constructive and although I don't like Islam I accept that in a secular democracy where people's faith is protected by their human rights that we must accept that Islam in one form or another is going to be part of our culture. I don't particularly like it but being a genuine person on secular democracy I accept that.

If I've said my peace it is out of love for IC and Iran.

Long live both!

We don't deserve this regime, we certainly don't deserve what has happened to us, but there have always been decisions or reactions that are inherent in our culture, be it during the constituion revolution or other times that have swayed us in the wrong direction, and we need to address that.

Sorry, I am working on an Art exhibition for Iran, so my time is very valuable right now, very frankly I don't care that much about the insults but amazed of the attitude even though I have seen it and know it so well!

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OH MY GOD, Mommy!

Are you kidding me?

You write, "Islam as a foreign force like any other force had to be faced ansd be dealt with. Why is it that after the constituion revolution we lapsed into what we see today and another Muslim country like Turkey didn't?"

Do you have ANY idea how pedestrian you sound? Do you know anything about the Constitutional Revolution? Do you know the difference between Turkey and Iran?

I don't have much time right now, but let me just say this before I go... Iran has Shiite clerics who are machiavelian mofos beyond belief, Turkey does NOT!!! Turkey is sunni. Iran is Shiite.

This is a HUMONGUOUS difference!

The mullahs sabotaged the Constitutional Revolution in the person of Akhund Nouri, who forced the revolutionaries to include in the constitution that all laws in Iran must be Islamic laws. That was not a minor victory.

And one must remember that when Reza Khan took over in 1925, he wanted to turn Iran into a Republic, with himself as the first president in the order of Turkey (and Ataturk), but guess WHO didn't let him?

The fucking Ulama (shiite establishment), in the person of Mullah Modarress! The mullahs are deathly afraid of any form of a true democracy, with power dispersed amongst many players, whereas with a king, they can always exert pressure on ONE man!

Lastly, and listen up, cyber-mommy, IRAN HAS OIL!!!!!!!!!!! Turkey does not! The foreign powers have ALWAYS used our achcilies heal, our religion and our charlatan shiite establishment, against us so many times (Modaress, Kashani, Khomeini, etc.) that it is no wonder why we are in the mess that we are today.

Whenever the interests of superpowers in Iran was threatened in the 20th century, whether it be in the case of Mossadegh in 1953 or the Shah in 1978, the West has always used the shiite establishment AGAINST the interests of the nation of Iran.

And the common theme here, throughout our descension into Islamic purgatory, is what??? The shiite establishment, which TURKEY does NOT have, which Iran does have in spades, and this, my dear compatriot, is a product of our foreign religion. 

Do you hear me, sweetheart?

DEATH TO ISLAMIC FASCISM

SASSAN

IranPars

Well done. I must congratulate you!

You have managed to alienate someone who has been doing mostly publishing articles about the devasting impact of Islam and produced Art as such. Without cause you started insulting me using words such as "simpletons, dimwits and merchants of misinformation".

"Sweety"! look if you want to act gay it is OK by me but I must point out that I'm a happy male hetrosexual!

So you say: "I love our people, whether their muslim, jew or atheist!"

Well, as part of someone who is meant to love you seem to be doing hating and insulting, and I'm actually on your side and made a constructive, valid suggestion to cut down on these hate Blogs.

You say: 

"All I want is for my country to rid itself of its invader's identity and religion. Why do we have to practice the religion of our hereditary rapists?"

So do I!

But I recognize that in a secular democracy, and in order to win we have to stand side by side with Muslims, Jews and athests.

Now in all honesty when in every few minutes a Blog goes up saying Islam sucks and 10 seconds later another one puts Islam is wonderful don't you think that it would eventually damage the one English speaking Iranian online magazine?

I dealt with yout North vietnam argument ( USA ) lost the War there!

I'm not trying to insult USA, I have respect for it but I'm stating a historical fact.

350+

درود به اقا افشین گرامی. ببین چه آتشی روشن کردی که حالا حالا هم خاموش بشو نیست! (-:

Is this going to be the next 350+ comment blog?

Yeah! Let's do it guys!  

Afshin

Dear Sohraby

Look I am with you on this, have a look at my Blogs to realize that I'm definitely not an Islam apologists.

I would probably be shot in the airport for some of my articles or Art work like this:

//iranian.com/main/2009/jul/little-mojtaba

All I'm saying is that if you are going to write something be factual (again I'm not your Nanny so I'm suggesting and you are free to write what you like) and make a distinction between an orgy of hate and constructive wisdom that can change the society.

I care too much about IC to see it turn to a childish bashing arena.

To make my point clear I watch Bahram Moshiri becuase when he states something he draws on facts and has references whereas other people would just curse and swear so if anything they tarnish the movement.

Now you must realize that as much as I love my people and care for them that there are short comings that exist within our culture that put us where we are today.

Islam as a forign force like any other force had to be faced ansd be dealt with. Why is it that after the constituion revolution we lapsed into what we see today and another Muslim country like Turkey didn't?

Hence my comment Islam didn't people did. Of course there are a lot of things out there which can be harmful to us, it is up to us to shift our nature to deal with that.

Right now if you genuinely care about Iran you must stand by the side of Muslim or non Muslim alike.

Ten years on this site,

and our cyber-mommy still can't make a soild point, as he moans, "and your North vietnam comment was merely a feeble attempt!"

Where is your counter argument? All you can do is utter "foul." I'm sorry I hurt your feeling, sweety (is it appropriate to call one's cyber-mommy "sweety?)?

And for your information -- and for the millionth time -- I do NOT, and I repeat, I DO NOT HATE IRANIAN MUSLIMS! This is not about hatred! Why do you simpletons, dimwits and merchants of misinformation always make it about hatred towards our PEOPLE!

I love our people, whether their muslim, jew or atheist! This is not about hatred, do you hear me, sweetheart? I don't even hate Islam per se -- let the Arabs have it -- let them destroy themselves if they want. All I want is for my country to rid itself of its invader's identity and religion. Why do we have to practice the religion of our hereditary rapists? 

Why?

Because Mohammad said so? The pedophile who fought 78 battles, 77 of them being offensive? You expect me to follow the religion of a war lord?

Are you OUT OF YOUR MIND, sweetheart????

DEATH TO ISLAMIC FASCISM

SASSAN

IranPars

Thanks for joining in this orgy of hate, you are welcome to tap on the keyboard your hate until your fingers turn to bone for all I care. As I mentioned if you had read my comment properly which you didn't you would have noticed that I said:-

"I don't consider myself in the position to dictate what people should or should not do, I'm not JJ, or your Nanny but I just hope that for a moment you stop and think about what you are doing to this site."

I don't want to go off tangent about North vietnam a communist nation (smart nations make the right alliance when they have to) even though I used it but most likely unlike a lot of paper tigers I have been fighting this regime in one form or another since I was 17 ( 30 YEARS) and even though I used to post hate Blogs becuase I was angry and shocked with Islam I know that you need to use your brain rather than hateful bashing if you want to change things, or help free Iran. Now as far as answering the contradiction for the 10 points were concerned you were utterly useless and your North vietnam comment was merely a feeble attempt!

If you really care about Iran and you are not here purely for your hate lust you would know that even if you hate Islam you have to contain yourself and stand by the side of Muslim Iranians in order to help Iran. Would you hate Neda or kids like her, for all you care some of them were/are still Muslims. Would you still hate them?

You would also realize that this amount of hate is trashing Iranian.com. I care enough and have put my money where my mouth is, besides if anything you are being a jerk when for the sake of Iran and iranian.com I make a valid point and you come up with such an insulting reply without reading my comment properly.

Now as I said I am not your mother or your Nanny so at least stop acting like a pothetic 5 year old!

By the way since tonight I've decided to prove that a lot of silly postings are being put you should know:

Iranians started as nomadic people ( read Iranian early history) so how is that better than sand-dwelling.

I think the important point is that you think you are defending Iran and perhaps even adding value to this site but coming from soneone who has been contributing to this site for 10 years I assure you this kind of behaviour is just turning it to hate alley.

In order to free Iran, secularists, Muslim Iranians alike need to stand together. There is hate and then there is constructive changers in the society. Irrational Haters are not any different from Biggots and FASCISTS.

Not again?

Are You talking to us Iranians about religious xenophobia? We are experiencing the savegary of Islam for more than 1400 years and you criticize us for being xenophobia! I think you don't know much about the history of Iran or maybe your ancestors were not exposed to all the crimes and savegery of islamic people which was/ is  rooted in their islamic teachings. As an atheist you should know that all religions are made by people and nothing came from heaven and that is the reason why every religion reflects the cultur, habits, behaviour, traditions of those people who created the religion. Now, what is bashing? Give us some examples from the comments in this blog. Remember, you bash someone or something when you start lying about them, which is not the case here. You wrote, " Islam didn't people did", sorry to tell you but you sound like an Islam apologist.

Reason #22

Having adopted this bedouin belief system from the sands of Arabia, we have given the world the impression that we're Arabs, specially in today's mega-media world where images are transmittd to every corner of the globe and from Iran all you see is turbaned mullahs and Ayatollahs making the most important decisions, with their women always covered head-to-toe, solidifying the false impression that we are indeed part of the Arab world.

IRI's 30-year reign of state-sponsored terrorism on a world-wide scale does not help our image either.

DEATH TO ISLAMIC FASCISM

SASSAN

Condescending Tork is BACK!

Dear cyber-mommy, give it a rest, you protest too much. And for you to say , "a nation like Vietnam fights one of the greatest armed force in the World and it resists, we submitted," is purely and utterly ASININE!

North Vietnam, the eventual victor, was a HUMONGOUS beneficiary of the Soviet Empire (not to mention China) in terms of economic aid, military support, munitions, etc. On its own, Vietnam could have NEVER resisted the Americans for a decade -- no way, no how! Your analogy is as vacuous in substance as your other points in your post.

Did Iran, under the Sassanian dynasty, have any kind of support on par with Soviet aid for North Vietnam, in order to resist the Arab invasion in 651 A.D.?

Hardly.

DEATH TO ISLAMIC FASCISM

SASSAN

What more bashing?

There is a subtle line between constructive criticism and religious xenophobia.

I don't mind factual information, constructive articles that propose a change in society, new findings, statements articles that have informative or educational value.

As a secularist and an atheist I don't mind more fact finding, and change in behaviour but I'm getting sick of the amount of hate on this site.

If you want to overthrow this regime you must stand with Iranians who are decent citizens and Muslims and this ugly bashing would only alienate people.

The comment section as I've said before does not turn to a white paper or a book for a major academic instituation, it doesn't turn to a best seller so other than feeding hate it doesn't reach a wide audience.

Yesterday, people were demonstrating in front of the IRI Embassy in London now that is taking action.

There have been good articles that demonstrated Islamic/ Shiia history in Iran that was useful.

This however, apart some factual information is just a lynch mob and a lynch mob mentality is unlikely to improve our future Iran.

Now nothing is sacred on this site, and I don't even have a problem with blasphemy if it has a positive reaction but really is this not another hate orgy?

I don't consider myself in the position to dictate what people should or should not do, I'm not JJ, or your Nanny but I just hope that for a moment you stop and think about what you are doing to this site.

Should the only popular English speaking online Iranian magazine consist of 50-70 religious issues?

Has this place just a place to vent your hate, or do you want to make a genuine contribution to Iran or Iranian communites?

In fact I am so upset that I'm going on this occasion take the Muslim's side and argue against your points:

10 - Islam didn't people did, other cultures have repressive religious laws against women Islam has its own fair share but in other cultures although they held on to their faith they progressed. Western culture did not allow for women's vote, after a long campaign by suffragettes and thanks to a feminist movement that changed not just for western women but that helped most women, today our greatest champions are our women who excercised a great degree of freedom that we all lost as a result of trusting the clergy, so it wasn't Islam it was us in going dum after we have had a secular, incredible revolution 100 years ago.

9 - Again our fault, we had a conflict with this culture and we still do so why do we not practice what we like. What is to stop people in the west celebrating Sadeh for instance? If they love their culture why is it that other Asian families pass it on so well to their second generation in diaspora and for many Iranians the kids don't even read or write persian?

8 - We were a nation with many attributes, and I love Iran as much as anyone here but like any other human beings we had the good and bad so to have this idealistic notion that we were all good is wrong, this is just generalization.

7- Yes wonderful but was this practiced, there is evidence of ethnic cleansing and other crimes against humanity in pre Islam Iran the fact that Sassanian killed Manichaeans in AD 296 or that at the end we became weak becuase of all the wars with Eastern Romans is an indicator of bad rule and neglegence.

6 - We were not a sovereign democratic nation, IRI is one of the most evil regimes, the fire of our revolution triggered off the Islamists but it is not number 1, if you were publishing this the factual info would probably state that we are not #1.

5 - No it has tried but has had the opposite effect our youth who are well enlightened so Thanks to Iranian parents if anything it is not.

4- No not true, just as above it hasn't been successful, if the regime was to change tommorow I doubt if there would be much of that culture left.

3 - Islam didn't we did, imagine that a body has to fight anti-bodies, and there are a lot of germs out there is it the germs' fault that exists or the body for making itself weak?

If people still choose names like Eskandar, Changeez, or Muslim names it is becuase of something inherint i.e. submission under the fist of foreign or domestic opressor that has to be changed, otherwise foreign threat is always out there. Why does switzerland have such a strong Army when it is a nuetral country?

2- Our stupid intellectuals did in trusting the clergy after our long history we should had know better. Shiitsm was promoted by Safavid kings, a nation like Vietnam fights one of the greatest armed force in the World and it resists, we submitted. An uncompromising nation fights, fights, fights and dies if it has to but doesn't submit.

1. IRI is turning Iran to a slum, Turkey is a Muslim country but because unlike us it has managed to secure its secular institutions it is progressing. Most Religions are out of date systems of belief but it is how we handle them that matter.

reason # 21 butt wiping rituals

In Shiite theology and tahara ! you should wash your bum after taking a dump , and insert two thirds of your middle finger inyour *ss and give it a good wipe ! I was never a Muslim to practise it but I am sure that is why Akhunds are called " k**n Goshaad" apart from meaning lazy !

Bund, Jimz Bund

Reason #20 Paying Ilms(khoms and Zakat)

It gives admission to Paradise and those who withhold the Khoms and Zakat will be punished in this world and the next

 باجگیری و شراکت در مال و ثروت مردم  تحت عنوان خمس و ذکات که در اسلام, از نوع ناب محمدی, بسان کلیدی است برای گشودن در بهشت به روی باج دهندگان به اسلام و اخوندها.

Reson # 19 , using boys as sex slaves

unfortunately this sick Arab / Islam practise of using young boys as sex objects by warlords, rulers etc, is still going on in many places especially in Afghanistan . many stories of this accpted  barbaric custom have been documented. terms like gholam, khaajeh and malijak ( Nassereddin Shah's gholam ) should be eliminated from our culture.

Bund, Jimz Bund

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Sohraby

in North America they call it " gross " . lots of retards like Ahmadinejads are the outcomes as you mentioned. 

Bund, Jimz Bund

Reason #17

Is this one, babam jan:
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RedWine

religions rule throug people's fear , even the educated guys fall under the trap of " with God everything is possible ! ". people put aside all forms of logic / reason and science when it comes to religion and listen to an uneducated ,ignorant akhund  who connects everything to Aleh Mohammad and the consequences of not obeying them and ending up in hell with its horrific descriptions ! honestly, just for the sake of argument , if all these suicide bombers and lowlives who kill and maim people go to heaven then I prefre to go to hell !. but we know as rationl people that heavne and hell in religions are symbolic and not literral, it was meant for th 1400 year ago's Arab mind and understanding which unfortunately hasn't chnaged much !

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