BBC: A surprise visit by US President George Bush to Iraq has been overshadowed by an incident in which two shoes were thrown at him during a news conference. An Iraqi journalist was wrestled to the floor by security guards after he called Mr Bush "a dog" and threw his footwear, just missing the president. The soles of shoes are considered the ultimate insult in Arab culture. In the middle of the news conference with Mr Maliki, a reporter stood up and shouted "this is a goodbye kiss from the Iraqi people, dog," before hurtling his shoes at Mr Bush, narrowly missing him. "All I can report is a size 10," Mr Bush said according to the Associated Press news agency>>>
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AW: YOU are the one who
by Fair on Sun Dec 21, 2008 09:35 PM PSTAW: YOU are the one who brought up language, not me. If you think people not being able to speak the language well is a sign of them not being good Americans, then you should expect to be corrected on your language. They were here for 10-20 years, how long have you been here? And how many languages have YOU ever bothered to learn? Ok, you didn't choose to live in another country, but you give your CIC the right to decide to invade other countries if he so sees fit. For someone with such global powers, shouldn't you be willing to learn at least one other language? Think it is petty? Well then don't bring it up as an issue.
You think the rest of my paragraph was too funny. What is funny (and sad) is your total lack of comprehension of the concepts of "fighting" and "America" and "country". What was ridiculous is your giving yourself the right to decree who is American and who is not.
There are many nth generation Americans today that rightfully refuse to serve in Iraq. There are even active duty US military that refuse to go for another tour in Iraq based on their (correct) assesment that the war is illegal by international law, and they will not follow orders to fight an illegal war. Are they also not American? Have you ever heard of Winter Soldier? Maybe you should look into them before you wave the flag and beat the drums for "good Americans" to obey their CIC.
And yes, I am soooooo proud of what my friends and family and I have done to protect our homeland, something you have never done and won't understand. And I will do the same here if my new homeland is attacked. And furthermore, what makes you think that if the US attacks Iran illegally, I or others will not go back and defend innocent children and civilians? Who the hell are you to presume anything about such a thing? You can be rest assured, young Iranians who are pro American and anti regime today in Iran WILL stand up to the US and fight them, and make the war in Iraq look like a walk in the park. GUARANTEED. Such a stupid action by our "CIC" will be the quickest way to extend the life of the mullahs by 100 years. Until then, I can actually do more to defend them AND the US interests by being here and taking part in the political process and working against an illegal war, something every American (including yourself) should believe in.
And furthermore, if YOU are such a good American, why aren't YOU taking up arms today and serving the military as the CIC calls for? What is wrong, are you leaving it up to other people's children to fight your CIC's wars for you? The same CIC to whom absolute obedience is a criterion for being American, not just an American citizen, according to your claim? What have YOU done for the soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan? Have YOU visited a VA hospital and seen the veterans' conditions? Have YOU done ANYTHING for the 300000 United States veterans that are HOMELESS in this country? That is over 1/3 of the entire US homeless population! And you have the GALL to sit there and point fingers at who is American and who isn't?
Because unlike your incorrect belief, being a good American is not saying Sieg Heil to the commander in chief. If the commander in chief says round up the Jews and put them in concentration camps, would all good Americans be obligated to comply? This is not Nazi Germany, this is the United States of America, and we are a republic.
Before you preach to others about "fighting for your country" and "being American" go learn about America and get a clue about what war is and what the law of war says- a law to which even "Americans" according to your definition are bound to. You ask "who wants to go to war". The answer is "someone who believes in something worth fighting for, like their homeland, or their family's security". When is the last time the US Army fought such a war? Show me such a war, and I will sign up, and I will support my children's decision to sign up for such a war (because it is not up to parents to send their children- children are not pets, they are free human beings.) if they so choose.
Also, go read your own constitution. The CIC does not have the power to declare war, the congress does. So no, it is NOT up to the CIC when and where and who gets to go to war. Seems like you could use some citizenship classes yourself. Perhaps you yourself are a good example of the difference between an American and an American citizen.
And finally, apple pie is not even American.
I wish I could say your response was funny. But it was actually rather pathetic and sad. I actually don't care one iota to convince you of anything and actually don't care one bit what you think. But I hope that one day, as a voting member of the American public, you will learn a little more about your own country.
-FAIR
oh, in answer to this little gem as well
by American Wife on Sun Dec 21, 2008 03:18 PM PSTI never said Iranians weren't patriotic... not once, not ever. If, in fact, you've ever read anything I've ever written, it's been the most honest and heartfelt thing I've ever said... I believe Iranians are one of the proudest races of people regarding their pride of their motherland.
Speaking the language of your country (if you're sticking to the subject of what is the difference between being American and an American citizen) is pretty much one of the biggies? Right? Or don't you think so? And remember... this is the only point I was ever making. You don't think it would be a sign of your pride in your new country to learn the language??? Oh well, ok.
well Fair
by American Wife on Sun Dec 21, 2008 03:09 PM PSTFirst of all, thanks for the spelling correction. Wow...I'm so grateful for you and others who can correct my grammAR and spelling and are so willing to do so in order to score a point or two. What's that saying? Little things amuse little minds? I'm glad I was able to amuse you...:-)
There is nothing you've said that either makes me change my mind or convinces me that you have any idea what I'm talking about or what my point is. You and Kouroush can take as many words as you'd like and determine my whole philosophy or point all day long if you've got nothing better to do. But it won't change the fact that you're babbling on about something you'd like to THINK you know about.
Criterion is singular... as is my comment about serving your country... hardly the only reason for being American. You can write with some certain degree of knowledge so I can only assume you can read as well. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE OPTION OF DECIDING IF YOU ARE GOING TO FIGHT FOR AMERICA OR NOT. The CIC does of course answer to the people but if he, as CIC, determines it is in the best interest of the US to go to battle, it's not your choice. DO NOT take this as advocacy for war against anyone, especially Iran. It is in complete violation of my personal interests. I'm simply pointing out that you seem to think you would have some moral justification for electing to opt out of serving your country. If in fact you do elect to "stand up to your CIC", it's going to be considered treason. Don't believe me... look it up. Do you think ANYBODY wants to go to war? Or to send their kids off to fight some stupid war? But BUDDY... it ain't gonna be YOU to decide.
Furthermore, you are talking to Iranians. Thank you... my point exactly.
The rest of your paragraph was just too funny to respond to. I'm not sure why I'm the only one who seems to get this... if you are sooooooooooooo proud of protecting your loved ones... why are you in the US and not in Iran? Doing just that....protecting those innocent little children and families of your country?
Just answer that one question. Forget the rest. Fine, you wanna think you're as American as apple pie, go right ahead. But answer that ONE question.
To Marge
by Adib Masumian on Sat Dec 20, 2008 08:45 PM PSTCan you please elaborate? Which blog is this? I'm a Baha'i myself so I'm naturally interested in anything on the subject.
YT. Swift boat yourself to Amil's new blog.it's rich: scapegoats
by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Sat Dec 20, 2008 08:05 PM PSTIt's a news story about Bahai's but the beginning comment applies to him directly. These hyper Iranians and their pain for Bahai's kills me, because they are totally against the actual Bahai teachings. Bahai's are just getting used (again).
What is even more pathetic
by Fair on Sat Dec 20, 2008 05:59 PM PSTWhat is even more pathetic is when lack of fluency in English of some after 10-20 years is used to put down one of the most successful immigrant communities in this country, and an indicator of how much they "like it here" (or don't like it here) in the midst of a discussion about whether or not that community is patriotic. Otherwise I agree, it is silly to bring it up in the first place. We all make mistakes in English, even those who have it as their first language.
Incidentally, many people who are not in fluent in English are in the US military fighting and dying for their country.
-FAIR
Zion Blah Blah.........
by YT (not verified) on Sat Dec 20, 2008 02:36 PM PSTOf course you are what you are, world have been trying to tell you this for decades. It was my utter mistake trying to give YOU a humanistic glaze.
But you are 100% correct. HUMANISTIC label does not become of you. I am glad you corrected me.
have a great weekend
-YT
Yep
by Zion on Sat Dec 20, 2008 02:29 PM PSTI always have fun here, sometimes more sometimes less, and there is no hatred for Iranians. It is with a specific group that I have problems. You should learn never to generalize to everyone else.
what is with this LOL-ing (to Zion)
by Anonym7 (not verified) on Sat Dec 20, 2008 02:08 PM PSTZion_jAn, I see lots of LOL-ing in your comments these days. Does that mean despite your deep hatred for us (the Iranians with third world mentality) you have some fun here?
Living in a warped reality must really suck
by Zion on Sat Dec 20, 2008 02:05 PM PSTLet's see:
'Zion jan, to me, Zionist political party represents oppression brought upon occupied territories.'
So the Zionist political "party" to you "represents" oppression brought about whatever. I see.
Well I can only say, to you, reality out there must be quite absent.
'As I have said dozens of time, as a member of Human kind, I reserve the right of sovereignty and security for the nation of Israel'
Then my dear, I have news for you. You are a zionist. That is what Zionism is, that is all that Zionism says and strives for. There is nothing else to Zionism.
Keep it real.
..............
by YT (not verified) on Sat Dec 20, 2008 01:27 PM PSTIt is such a pathetic demonstration of ignorance and stupidity when, some of us, instead of logic and reason resort to such a cheap tactics as insulting each others fluency in English language.
REMINDER..... Most if not all of us had to learn English as our second language.
respectfully
-YT
p/s Lady IRANdokht I do not mean either one of us.
maybe you should read AW's
by Fair on Sat Dec 20, 2008 01:00 PM PSTmaybe you should read AW's comments about Iranians who haven't learned the language yet after 10-20 years and then judge my response. I think it is perfectly justified.
Furthermore, I am not sure what you mean by my "intended effect". I am not trying to affect anybody. People are free to form their own opinions, and here I just state my opinion about "patriotism" and "fighting for one's country", concepts that tend to get used quite lightly these days.
Whether this is immature or fair or what not, I leave that up to the readers to decide. But it is how I feel and what I think.
-FAIR
Doc :)
by YT (not verified) on Sat Dec 20, 2008 12:59 PM PSTدکتر جان من حقیر که جیزی نفهمیدم -- جوک البته
Zion
by YT (not verified) on Sat Dec 20, 2008 12:53 PM PSTLets see is this works for you. I mind you that I usually do not get into this kind of arguments, because my assumption is that You already know a bit of your own history. I suppose I was wrong.
Zion jan, to me, Zionist political party represents oppression brought upon occupied territories. As I have said dozens of time, as a member of Human kind, I reserve the right of sovereignty and security for the nation of Israel, as do for my own country of Iran, as well as nation of Palestine.
Let me tell you how different people of any NATION are from political parties/regimes that govern that nation.
Lets talk about me for instance. I am an Iranian who happens to be a Muslim. If my country was attacked by a foreign force I will defend her with my own blood. As I am certain that is what you would do if your country was attacked. HOWEVER, this by no means indicates that I am a pro IR(I), nor would such an action indicate that YOU are or are not member of an OFFICIAL political party.
Are you with me so far?????
So, when I say I see Nation of Israel apart from Zionist Political party, what i mean is people of Israel are same as people of Iran, or USA or any other place. We all are identical at creation. We are all made of roughly $14.00 worth of chemical elements. We all have come from MOTHER EARTH and we all will be returned to MOTHER EARTH.
Finally, you strike me as a bright person, who happens to love her people. However, I see total lack of objectivity in your posting.
Zion, compassion is a wonderful treat to have. When I see so many progressive Jewish thinker and activist, who despite their rightful alliance to their faith and to their people, stand up against tyranny and oppression that this 60 years of occupation by Israeli army has created, I have nothing but admiration for those people. And you could be one of those, and not one of the blind followers.
-YT
p/s In one of my prior posting I had made a remark saying [fault lies within us.......], us in that case refers to as in us = you and me(WE) and NOT us as in USA..... ;o)
No I still don't :-)
by Zion on Sat Dec 20, 2008 12:03 PM PSTYou still didn't say what this "Zionist political party" is that is also different from the nation of Israel. What's wrong, couldn't find that one in Wikipedia? Now you get what I mean? ;-)
I told you once READ before you make a fool of yourself.
You did? Oh my, I'm so sorry. LOL (This is like Q's thing. You two related? Are you another alter ego entity? Not that it matters, I was just curious. Ultimately you are all the same mob.)
LOL Mr MD
by IRANdokht on Sat Dec 20, 2008 11:52 AM PSTyour english has improved a lot :0)
hopefully some day you'll also tell us what other name you use to write your blogs!
IRANdokht
Zion... How pathetic of you
by YT (not verified) on Sat Dec 20, 2008 07:42 AM PSTI told you once READ before you make a fool of yourself.
Socialist Zionist = Labor Zionist = Kibbutz Movement Originated in Russia
General Zionist = Liberal Zionist = First Zionist Congress in 1897
Revisionist Zionism = Nationalist Zionism = before independence, advocated the formation of a Jewish Army in Palestine
Religious Zionism = Originated by Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook In the 1920s and 1930s
Obviously you don't even KNOW about your own convictions. This is what I call REAL brain washing dear
DO you GET it now???? Think not ;0)
Have a good day
-YT
Re: Fair
by Adib Masumian on Sat Dec 20, 2008 06:43 AM PST"what is wrong, haven't you assimilated and learned the language after all these years?"
To be fair, Fair, immature jabs in a response - regardless of whether you felt it was deserved - really diminish your intended effect.
I don't know why most people on this site have to include some sort of sophomoric statement in the midst of a well-thought-out response. A bruised ghoroor or ego is no excuse; people take things to heart to the point where it becomes like a gun wound and they have a pathological need to pull their own trigger in defense.
Hilllllllarious... by Jahanshah Javid on Sun Dec 14, 2008 02:45
by Faribors Maleknasri M.D. (not verified) on Sat Dec 20, 2008 05:08 AM PSTHilllllllarious...
by Jahanshah Javid on Sun Dec 14, 2008 02:45 PM PST
Not even Hollywood could not have come up with a more
Mr. John John, Dear sir, as i begann to click on "IRANIAN" and to bother other users of "IRANIAN" by sending permanently comments which were - and stil are - writen in bad english i was differently recommended to learn first english in order to be able to explain myself. I have also recieved many other objections from respectable other users of "IRANIAN"
I think now: I am with my english so far that i can asK: Is the second NOT in the sentence necessary or not? Greeting
Ouch
by Faribors Maleknasri M.D. (not verified) on Sat Dec 20, 2008 04:55 AM PSTMr. John John, Dear Sir, I see you engage yourself personaly in highly topical Discussions. Your ouch is allready the second utterance.
Well now i recommend to Iraki nation: Each citizen should be thrown by another iraki and then see how sever the punishment of that action will be. it will be certainly of negligable amount. On this way it will be shown that in Irak - contrary to what Mr. Bushy Bushy has claimed - they have no democracy. The reporter is beaten hard after his heroical action. With brocken Ribbs and brocken Arm and - so I think - with heart full of pleasure he has been brought to hospital. he should be sentenced to 10 - 15 years jail. I think one can not have objections about arresting him. But beating at place? As you have mentioned elsewhere american imperialism ( this word is mein addition ) has brought its own kind of democracy to irak. So Mr. Bushy Bushy is right, when he says Irak were a democratic country. for me it is sure that also Irak will be someday in near or far future a democratic country such as the Islamic Republic of Iran and all countries in the region and all over the world would live in friendship and peace together.
It was a good idea to bring the first article about the thrown shoes. From a economical point of view. Rarely has been an article followed by soo many comments. Very good for business. Greeting
Another jewel has been dropped
by Zion on Sat Dec 20, 2008 01:21 AM PST'I have NEVER used word ZIONIST to describe nation of Israel. To me Zionist Political party is totally different from Nation of Israel and her people.'
Wow. YT, do you have any clue what Zionism was all about? What its goal was, what it stands for, anything?!
There is no such thing as a "Zionist Political Party". LOL :-D Zionism, my dear, was the movement to create the state of Israel, for Jews to have an independent state and to instigate the return of Jews to this homeland. The very existence of Israel is the result of the achievements of Zionism.
Oh man, this is priceless!
To Fair (AW- Listen to Yourself first)
by BeOriginal (not verified) on Fri Dec 19, 2008 08:16 PM PSTWell said.
AW- Listen to YOURSELF first
by Fair on Fri Dec 19, 2008 08:02 PM PSTbefore telling others to listen to you.
I have been away and terribly busy and don't have much time unfortunately. But when I read your nonsense about my or anybody's patriotism I must respond.
You say you are not arrogant, and do not determine who is and who is not an American. But look at your words:
"American. What a joke."
or
"You say you took an oath... right? Ok... hot shot. Let me ask you.
If... IF... the US were to go to war with someone (ANYONE), are you
going to support her? Are you going to send your child to war on
behalf of her? To defend all those lovely rights Americans have? What
about with Iran? You're "American" now.... right? Are you going to be
American or Iranian if the US goes to war (God forbid). "
This is your criterion for who is American and who is not. Whether they will take orders from the commander in chief. This shows you have not the slightest concept of the principles that America was founded upon- THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF ANSWERS TO THE PEOPLE AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. Why don't you tell me, which war in the last 60 years has America fought, in which it was defending the "lovely" rights Americans have? The only war in self defense of American home and rights has been the war to get OBL, which as you know has not even been seriously fought (more money spent 3 weeks in Iraq than 7 years in Afghanistan). You say that "that is not the way it works buddy, and we must follow our commander in chief. Well I have news for you "buddy". The commander in chief is accountable to the American people, according to the very "lovely rights" we are supposed to defend. To question the commander in chief is to defend those very rights. Just go read the constitution and the works of the founding fathers.
So I refuse to do say Sieg Heil to the great leader Bush, and that makes me unAmerican? That is your idea of being American?? To that ARROGANT idea of yours, I say- "American- what a joke".
You also disrespect Iranian Americans who HAVE and ARE SERVING in the US military TODAY, one of my family friends of which have died for the USA in Iraq. Is he a "joke" too? American Wife? And you are American because your family has been fighting since WWI? What have YOU done for your country and the war effort TODAY?
Furthermore, you are talking to Iranians. These are people who fight for what they believe is right even if they will lose. Thousands of young people of my generation went up against Iraqi armor, heavy bombing, and chemical weapons with a rifle and RPG to defend their country. We know what it is like when you are attacked, and what sacrifices you must do for your country when needed. To protect your home and your loved ones. When Saddam Hussein invaded Iran, I remember the lines of people volunteering to fight or donating blood or food or supplies, from ALL political persuasions, nationalists, religiious, monarchists, leftists, you name it. People who themselves were struggling in life. The friends and family of mine who died with so little to defend themselves, and the wishes that I had that that it were me instead of them . Do you have any clue what "fighting" even is? Do you really even know what causes a person to charge death in the face? I can tell you one thing for sure- it is not to follow the "commader in chief", aka self proclaimed fuhrer who dodged fighting when it was his turn to serve. When was the last time an American soldier had to go up against an enemy 10 times their strength knowlng they will die for sure to defend their soil and their family and their people? Grenada? Vietnam? Panama?? When is the last time they entered a battle they knew they would lose anyway but did so because it was one of defense and survival? And what percentage of "real" Americans today (according to your definition) are sacrificing in the fight (allegedly for survival) against Al Qaeda? Where are the millions of American volunteers wanting to go to Afghanistan to get the SOB responsible for 9/11?? Compare that to the number of flags or "support our troops" stickers on people's cars. This is where YOU are the hot shot- talking about fighting and defending your country and your rights, when you don't have a clue what that means. Invading Grenada (a country with no army) or Panama with Army Rangers and other special forces, a massive naval armada and air support, for example, does not qualify. Neither does a massive assault on Afghanistan, one of the poorest most defeneseless countries on this planet.
You need to get this straight- war is horrible, and should be a last resort. Not a "stick" in some stupid "carrot and stick" scheme, or some "measured response" to advance a "policy" or someone's "interest". Little innocent children die, families are destroyed, and societies are devastated for generations. And I don't have to tell you on which side of the front line that happnes.
So please spare us the holier than thou tests for patriotism. The rights you and I enjoy in this country were fought for and bled for long before we were born, and only a minority of people will continue to do that today- REGARDLESS of what the commander in chief or you think. I for one as an Iranian American appreciate those rights and will fight for them- especially because I was denied them in my own country. (And I DID fight for them in Iran) And in my mind, THAT is what makes you a good citizen and good American- not that your grandfather fought in WWI or has a plaque in Ellis island. (and btw, it is PLAQUE not PLACQUE-placque is in your arteries and on your teeth if you are not healthy. what is wrong, haven't you assimilated and learned the language after all these years?) Talk about "convenience"
I will be not available to read this thread for a while so my apologies if I don't get to respond soon.
FAIR
Arranged Marriage: Zion and Ann. Observer
by YT (not verified) on Fri Dec 19, 2008 07:55 AM PSTOne more point on the subject of arranged marriages, as I said before my dear friends Ann Observer, and Zion juni, what I have provided for you guys is that there are different cultures and beliefs around the world that practice customs that is in total contrast to yours and mine. BUT, this does not entitle you or me to judge them. This is what is called closed mindedness my friends. Take a look at these examples:
[...Arranged marriage (also called prearranged marriage) is a marriage arranged by someone other than the people getting married, curtailing or avoiding the process of courtship. Such marriages had deep roots in royal and aristocratic families around the world, including Europe. Today, arranged marriage is frowned upon, even made illegal, in some cultures but it is still practiced in South Asia, and the Middle East to some extent[citation needed]. Other groups that practice this custom include the Unification Movement (Moonies)....]..See UNIFICATION CHURCH - UNIFICATION MOVEMENT.
[..Laws of Old Testament Israel said that if an unmarried couple engages in extramarital sex the female can force the man to marry her or pay a fine.[2] A reason is never given in the text, but it is likely predicated on the text's specification that the woman was a virgin; no longer being a virgin, it would be difficult for her to find a marriage, and so her sexual partner must marry her to provide for her well-being. Alternatively, it could be based on family honor, i.e. it was shameful for her to have had relations without being married, and it would be all the more shameful if she had a child out of wedlock....]
{...A more moderate and flexible procedure known as a "modern arranged marriage" is gaining in popularity. Parents choose several possible candidates or employ a marriage website. The parents will then arrange a meeting with the family of the prospective mate, confining their role to responsible facilitators and well-wishers. Less pressure to agree to the match is exerted by the parents in comparison to a traditional arranged marriage....]
There are even variation of Arranged Marriage which are almost wide spread in western world, and large parts of globe:
1. Dating services i.e. Match.com, Iraninan.com personals.
2. Mail Order Bride
3. Shim-pua marriage, Chinese, was a tradition of arranged marriage in China.
4. Arranged marriages have the tradition in Indian(Hindu's) society for centuries.
and etc.
For further reading: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arranged_marriage
Hopefully this will open up your minds to some knowledge and some facts about the world you live in.
-YT
p/s.... BTW Ann Observer, I have NEVER used word ZIONIST to describe nation of Israel. To me Zionist Political party is totally different from Nation of Israel and her people. Do not let DESPERATION cause you to LIE dude OK?
I wish the shoe
by nemah (not verified) on Thu Dec 18, 2008 07:16 PM PSTlanded where it was aimed at. It would be a scene to remember for eternity, a sign of Iraqi love.
Dear Kourosh
by Souri on Thu Dec 18, 2008 06:16 PM PSTThanks for your insightful reply. The reason I asked you those question was because I always thought (by your name) that I was talking to the old Kourosh Sasanian, who had made lots of political statement here against JJ and many other people, accusing them of being this and that.
Now, you assure me that you are not the same Kourosh. It is completely different. I liked your straight respons on your position in regard to Iran's situation and future.
I am among those people who despite my love for the country, don't think I can ever come back there, because of my husband's root. Even my children speak Farsi (not very good) do celebrate Nowrouz and cherish Iranian culture and tradition, but have never been in Iran and I can say they don't dream about that :-)
I was just asking the question because, some of us (not you obviously) become hollier than the Pope, in both case of Iran and US or other country where they live. That is what revolts me. Naturally,We can have the love of both country in our heart, but we can't pretend being in both place equally (I'm talking spiritually)
Anyway, I wish all of us, Iranian, American or other nationality, a better future . Respectfully,
Souri khanom
by KouroshS (not verified) on Thu Dec 18, 2008 05:46 PM PSTI am not sure what your "huge" number of iranians, is , but i can promise you that for that number, there is an equal number of them who prefer to stay here. A lot of them are saying that no matter what they will not go back, EVEN if they still have family in iran. These are the same, who not only can afford living inhere, But they have also adapted to the culture. So, no problems, whatsoever. Many are married to americans, that is a big chunk, who have built their lives based on being permanent residents of USA, Based on a choice.
I would say NO. No i won't go back. I really have no reason to. That is not to say i have abandoned my iranian roots and i hate iran and iranians, No. Itis just the reality of my life. On that note, I guess, i would have to say ,that no i don't, or at least i should not have the right to have any say in what direction iran will be heading, socially and politically.
The revolution did wreak havoc and caused many problems, But at the same time many accepted it for the time being, Went to schools in iran and even sought higher education and then DECIDED to leave For US or europe whenthe time was right. And some did return to iran, to live. So, Looking at it from different angles, it was always a matter of making a concious choice, Not being forced.
I am not that kourosh and i am sorry that i can not provide you with a complete report as to what i think about iran's future, for i consider that totally irrelevant to the topic of our discussion.:)
Of course i want the best for all my iranian fellows , inside and outside, But i really don't and Could not care whether i am being taken seriously on my views about iran's future!!
I mean do people take each others' views seriously on anything, these days?
I am sorry that i have caused you confusion and if i am being obscure.
I appreciate your observations though:)
third word reactionaries versus first world fascists!?
by Anonym7 (not verified) on Thu Dec 18, 2008 04:52 PM PSTAO says: "when Zion says that we are dealing here with a Third World mentality"
Even the third world reactionary mentality of IRI is superior to first world fascism that likes of Zion advocate. The kind of fascism that even the very biased UN admits, i.e, treatment of Palestinians ghettos.
Dear Kourosh
by Souri on Thu Dec 18, 2008 04:54 PM PSTsorry dear, but I really don't agree with your last post. Not sure if I did understand well your point. but I believe that you tend to say that most of the Iranian-American would prefer to stay in America even when there is a regime change in Iran and a democratic republic (or anything democratic and good) will be governing in Iran ?
From my own interaction with all the friends and family in America (this is a huge amont of Iranian-American) this is not true. Do you know that many of them dream of going back to Iran and live there ?
I don't think they would be able to afford it, even if they do, because as you rightfully mentioned, their culture has been changed to the Western culture. At least this is one reason they can't stay there.
But back to the subject, I have straight question for you if you can kindly answer me honestly. My friendly question is, as I asked before, Would you go back live in Iran after a change of the regime for a good democratic republic ? Yes or no .
- If your answer is YES : then why you argue with AW, she said exactly the same thing
- If your answer is NO : then do you think you have the right to protest what is happening inside of Iran and voting for a change of government or system in Iran, while you did not participate in forming its recent history and you have no intention to live there in the future neither ?
I don't know what was your reason for coming in US, but the main cause for many to leave Iran after the revolution was "the revolution" and even if the reason was not always "politics" but was one of its result, be economic or educational issues.
If you are the same "Kourosh Sasanian" of the last year (not sure, I'm just asking) I remember you said you came in US, as a teen, after getting yourself in trouble due to the political activities and many people went to prison and death cause of your testimony (JJ's blog : daughter of revolution last december)....Now it doesn't matter WHY and HOW it happened that you came in US and became a US citizen and love the country now. I am very proud of you, because of your loyalty and your dedication to your host country, but again, I would like to know your exact position in regard to Iran and its future.
If you say you just hope the peace and serenity for your "old" country, nothing more, I take it from you. This is exactly the way, I feel in regard to US, though she has never been my country, but I like the USA.
But if you feel %100 American, then I would ask you, how do you expect the people of Iran consider your concern about Iran, seriously.
I am really puzzled. I just don't understand your argument and your point. No offense here, please accept my sincere salutation.
American wife. yes those are
by kouroshS (not verified) on Thu Dec 18, 2008 04:44 PM PSTAmerican wife.
yes those are my words, but They don't mean that i am questioning you and wondering why you married him. Can you please, at least make an effort, to realize the difference???? You need to understand that it is painful for me or anyone else, just the same. You can't just cause pain, and not expect the same in return.
They came here for many of thesame reasons they had before the revolution. Chief among them Getting a better education and naturally better payingjobs. Great satan was what USA was beingreferred to by many who chose to stay in iran, not the ones who decided to leave it.
You see? CHOOSE, is the key word here.
I am not trying to convince you of anything. I am responding to you, word for word. That is all. I respect iranian.com Greatly, but i do not, repeat DO NOT, use that as basis to form any opinions on anything. No disrespect to the publisher and the editors, here. SERIOUSLY:)
Happy Hollidays.