Anyway

Zion

Your closed mind and ignorance of TRUTH and current events is ASTONISHING to say the least.

But I love you no matter what. LOOL :-)

-YT

Zion I Just Decided Not to Waste My Time with "YT"

you should do the smae...he's just another garden variety "Zionist this, Zionist that" screamer!!!  Don't waste your breath...

Anonymous Observer

you need to KNOW more about things before you can even challenge me. I have said this time and time, I am not here to seek social support for my convictions nor I am here to change anyone's opinion about anything.

What really p@@sses me off is you and likes of you EVEN dispute current events and news. The only thing that tells me is that you have such a narrow vision in life that you only see what you want to see. Besides you cover your lack of knowledge of the current event by doing the only thing you know best and that is you demonstrate your HATRED of IRAN and ISLAM by BASHING Islam and Muslims. You show no respect nor any understanding of anyone else's culture and beliefs.

My dear friend, if you do not KNOW that cultures and way of life's around the globe are different from one another then you have total lack of understanding and comprehension of events and people.

Have a great evening
-YT

P/S second and last time, your childish game of name calling does not work with me.

Kouroush

Please... enough.  This has been painful enough for me. 

WHat surprises me is that you married an iranian, Do you feel the same way about him too? that he would have gone back if things were so great in iran or No , that is one big exception? 

These WERE your words.  I didn't make them up.  YOU expressed wonder at why I married him.

And if the majority of Iranians didn't come here (or anywhere else) after the revolution because of political issues, why do you think they did?  Just because they liked the "great satan"?  You won't convince me that MOST, not all, but most of ANY immigrants came here just... because.  They left family, friends and home to come here just... because.  I'm sorry, I simply don't buy that.  I doubt my husband is the only one who left because he felt he had to.

The opinions I've formed are a result of iranian.com and the attitudes expressed here.  If a few don't speak for all, that's great.  But it is what it is. 

LOL

You bunch are all the same YT. It's so funny.
Listen my friend, just because it is in the Torah doe snot make it alright either. You can find a lot of crap in the Bible in general. And polygamy is no longer lawful in Ashkenazi and most Sefardi and Mizrahi communities anyway. However to bring the Romans and their ways with their wifes for comparison is laughable. There are few places as misogynist societies in human history! Unlike you, I am not in the habit of justifying garbage, be it in in Judaism, Mormonism or your "glorious" Islam.

Anyway, how is any of this an excuse for your justifying misogyny by invoking "different norms"?

YT - Your Word Speak for Themselves....sort of

 "just check your own holy book see if you can see these verses in it"

What's my holy book?  Did you read my comment when I said:

"I come from a Muslim family myslef...". 

See, you just proved my comment to American wife, when I said:

"You see, while they criticize Gorge Bush for syaing it, the "you're either with us or against us" is the general rule in the Middle East.  You must agree with them.  For instance, you must accept either the status quo in Iran, or accept that the only way to change Iran is to keep the current government and work for change through it (which is a fantasy that is drummed up by the IRI intelligence aparatus as anyone with an ounce of brain can see that the Islamic Republic has set up in a way that changing it internally is virtually impossible).  Otherwise, you are a Zionist neocon..."

Just because I disagree with you and point out the flaws in a culture that I am a part of, I am all of a suddent Jewish!!! 

Thanks for proving my point!!!!

Zion

I suppose you THINK that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are Muslims as well ha????
Or may be they are IRI supporters?????

Can you repeat what your were saying about Woman's Right in your Utopia?????? I did not hear you well(bit of sarcasm)

have a nice one
-YT

Anonymous Observer

I was not going to this to you, since you feel so superior to Muslims and act in such a goody too shoes manor, but I think you need to judge yourself before you open you mouth about judging any other religions and customs:

just check your own holy book see if you can see these verses in it:

[...The monogamy of the Roman Empire was the cause of two explanatory notes in the writings of Josephus describing how the polygamous marriages of Herod were permitted under Jewish custom.[18] Scriptural evidence indicates that polygamy among the ancient Hebrews was not unusual and was certainly not prohibited or discouraged....]

[..The Hebrew scriptures document approximately forty polygamists, including such prominent figures as Abraham, Jacob, David and Solomon, with little or no further remark on their polygamy as such. The Torah, Judaism's central text, includes a few specific regulations on the practice of polygamy, such as Exodus 21:10 which states that multiple marriages are not to diminish the status of the first wife....]

Deuteronomy 21:15-17
[..which states that a man must award the inheritance due to a first-born son to the son who was actually born first, even if he hates that son's mother and likes another wife more; and
Deuteronomy 17:17,
which states that the king shall not have too many wives. One source of polygamy was the practice of levirate marriage, wherein a man was required to marry and support his deceased brother's widow, as mandated by Deuteronomy 25:5-10. Exodus 21:10 speaks of Jewish concubines.
The Talmudists
formulate the rule that no Jew may have more than four wives; kings may have at the most eighteen. The ordinary Israelite at all times would doubtless have to be content with one secondary wife in addition to the principal wife, or at most with two wives.....

So what was it that you were saying?????????????
-YT

USA rules!

American wife.

I don't understand your logic at all, and i doubt it if you know really what you are talking about! I never said that anyone knew well ahead of time, and at an early age, whether they wanted to become an american or not.
But the fact of the matter is that , they made the decision to come, regardless. They came and they loved it. I came and i loved it. I notice a tendency to twist arguments on your part.I am sorry that your Husband had to come here since he had no choice. And If you talk to many iranians, different ones than you already know, You would hear that they Too, love it here. I disagree that MOST iranians came here for political reasons, soley based on the fact that they just happen to come here after the revolution. What makes You think that many iranians would not respond anydifferently than your husband, had they been asked the same question aboout going back if democracy prevails in iran? or on the "abhorrent" idea of taking up arms against one's hamvatan. Seems to me somehow you are giving him a pass on those issue, yet you put others on trial!!

Ask that question from iranians and they
may evenn give you a more strong answer that I STILL STAY IN USA, than a rather shaky i don't know! By the way. I never questioned your motives in you marrying your husband. Now that is a HUGE case of putting words in one's mouth:)

I really don't care what people say in their posts here, that is no indication of reality to me, and I am just responding to your "words" you know, So there is no me wanting you to think in a certain way!!

Funny you should talk about arrogance!! my god.
Don't you think i and those like me, put half as much efforts as your husband did, into learning to speak and interact in english? how does soemthing like that pass as arrogance? No. really!
And yes I WILL keep telling you that i am better than most American born Americans, and sorry, but Too bad that you gett irritated about it. About those iranians who don't bother to learn the language or the culture, I blame themm for their laziness and irresponsibility. No. I don't use the excuse that they are not the norm.

The only big difference between someone who was born here and who immigrated, is a piece of paper called birth cirtificate. All other precious values and principles are ACQUIRED based on dilligence and loyalty and WILL POWER.

Very interesting

'you need to know that PRE-ARRANGED marriage is an accepted norm in some parts of the world.'

So, if it is the norm somewhere, it must be alright. The heck with the woman's freedom and rights. I guess slavery was a norm in a lot of places too once. I love the inevitable preaching that comes though:

'Problem is within us for wanting everyone to be and do as WE like them.'

Of course. The problem is always with "us".
That's a true freedom fighter anti-imperialists for you alright.

American Wife

I feel your pain, even though I'm an Iranian....Just read my comment below.  You see, while they criticize Gorge Bush for syaing it, the "you're either with us or against us" is the general rule in the Middle East.  You must agree with them.  For instance, you must accept either the status quo in Iran, or accept that the only way to change Iran is to keep the current government and work for change through it (which is a fantasy that is drummed up by the IRI intelligence aparatus as anyone with an ounce of brain can see that the Islamic Republic has set up in a way that changing it internally is virtually impossible).  Otherwise, you are a Zionist neocon who wants Iran bombed!!  That's the mentality that you're dealing with, and as much as it hurts a little bit when Zion says that we are dealing here with a Third World mentality, I have to agree with him.  This is a culture of paranoia, conspiracy theories, mysoginism and ethno-centrism, and God forbid if anyone brings that to their attention....

Anyway...sorry for your loss

I can't begin to tell you how upset I am about this

and perhaps I should have just kept my mouth shut.  In order to do that, however, I'd have to completely leave iranian.com altogether.  I just can't stand by and keep my mouth shut when it comes to defending MY country.  And make no mistake... many of you have made it perfectly clear how unwelcome I am here on this website, BECAUSE I'm American.   

I was accused of having contempt for Iranians.  I want to state this right now.. once and for all.  That is not true.  I have tried to assimilate myself into my husband's culture as best I can.  I support his traditions and I value them as if my own.  Because I disagree with some of you, that means I have contempt for Iranians?  How narrow minded that is.  And how unfortunate that one would even think that. 

I have endured a great loss today, a friend I held in great regard.

My respect for this individual is no less than it was yesterday or last year.

Anonymous Observer

Before you get too excited, you need to know that PRE-ARRANGED marriage is an accepted norm in some parts of the world. As it is accepted norm for some to have multiple husbands, or wives.

Problem is within us for wanting everyone to be and do as WE like them.

-YT

Born American vs. Naturalized American

I am one of many FIRST generation of immigrants from Iran. As are most, if not all, of the ladies and gentlemen who post comments.

Speaking for myself, what I have experience as the first generation of my family, and of Iranians, that no matter how hard one tries to assimilate still one can see the big differences in the attitude and in culture.

I am going to cite my own experience as a Naturalized immigrant and my own son who is born, raised in America. My son, speaks, reads and writes both languages fluently, plus couple more. He likes chelo-kabab as well as hamburger, perhaps more so hamburger.

We both are registered Democrats, with seemingly same political ideology, right????
Wrong...... he sees the same sociological and political ideology in almost full contrast as I do. So often we get into argument over political and socio-economic nature that goes on around us, being in our city or America as a whole. Irony of the matter is that we both are saying the SAME thing, only from a different perspective.

My perspective is influenced by the baggage I carry(so to speak), namely the culture that I was in during early years of my life and my teen. His point of view is affected by years of being raised, and lived WITHIN this country.

BOTH Lady American Wife and Master Koroush are CORRECT to what they perceive as to be truth. What I am trying to say is both of you guys are correct and wrong at the same time, depending the perceived notion of events and the culture that has affected you.

I relate to Master Kourosh, because I know and I understand his point of view, at the same time Lady American Wife is correct in what she is trying to say.

I am not trying to play politics here, but when I read you arguments, I see how similar they are, yet how far apart they appear to be.

I might be wrong, but I firmly believe that this, among many other reasons is why America's forefather made it part of the Constitution that one must be BORN American to become a president.

At least this is what I think, I have been wrong before ;-)

-YT

NO Iranian came to America because they had "no choice"

AW,

What you say about immigration to the US is not correct.

1000s of Iranians moved to Turkey, Europe, Dubai even Pakistan and India. To come to the US you have to spend countless more hours and much more money.

In fact France, Germany, UK, had much more liberal immigration policies in 80s and 90s. Sweden, Norway, Canada and Europe are still much easier to immigrate to for Iranians.

There might be a few exceptions. VERY few.

Whoever went to US and Australia went there because of one reason: They could afford it.

Look at where these "immigrants" end up in the states. Are they in slums? Are they in cheap housing in bad neighborhoods? No.

Iranians live in the most expensive place in the world: Hollywood, San Francisco, Beverly Hills Northern Virginia, etc.

I know that we are hard workers. Many Iranians had to work real hard to get to where they are.

BUT!!!

the majority of those who directly ran away, STARTED in wealth. They came, bought rug stores, started restaurants. That means they had a lot of money to begin with. That's the reason they came to America instead of staying in Turkey or France.

Yes -YT - Very Impressive - Women as Gifts!!! & Zion

YT- It's great to see you this excited to see how women are treated as commodities in the Muslim world at large (I come from a Muslim family myslef so no lectures about racisms, Zionists, etc...).  It's really impressive to see that the father offers a twenty year old, independent human being as a "gift". Did the daughter have a say in this?  Can she at least pick the gift wrapping paper for the box that she will be put in?

You see, this is the problem with Iran and the Middle East in general.  You fail to see your social problems (and in most cases, such as here, applaude them), and therefore, instead of fixing them, you yell, scream and tear yourselves apart (like YT here) about the "Zionist" bogeyman.  Some of us have trained ourselves to think outside of that box...for the rest of us, however, well, just look at these pathetic comments...

Has it ever occured to you that what you have posted here is incredibly misogynistic?  In all your screaming and shouting about, and your unhealthy obsession with, everything Israel, have you ever written a single comment, let alone a sentence discouraging this kind of conduct in the Middle East?  No?  OK...Didn't think so..

Yes, Zion.  I am very dissapointed too in Q.  Now I don't know which murderer to throw shoes at and which one to have a poilte conversation with!!

Merci Souri

That was well said. 

Your comment:  Even among the Iranian outside of Iran, we can not determine, how much they believe themselves as true Iranian is interesting as well.  I've heard comments made that someone who lived in the US most of their lives couldn't be considered true Iranians.  Now how is THAT for hyprocrisy!

Irregardless, your effort to "calm" things down is appreciated. At least we're not using any nasty words.  And Kourosh isn't calling me an IRI supporter...LOL. 

To Kourosh and AW :

You both are right in some regards. You both love America and feel as a real American with proud. I admire your concern for your country, both of you.

Please let me give you my humble opinion too. As a general view, usually we tend to think that a person's first nationality is their place of birth. Plus, where you had lived during your childhood, will also affect largely this definition of "which country you belongs to, the most"...So it is right (I would say Usual) at a first look, to think that an American born and raised in America, feel more being American than someone who came there during his teen ages or later..

Some become the citizen of a country by NATURE while others become the citizen by DECISION.

Now, it is not to us, neither to anybody else to determine the degree of belonging to the country, in the heart and mind of each other. Even among the Iranian in Iran, this variation exist. Even among the Iranian outside of Iran, we can not determine, how much they believe themselves as true Iranian.

WE can not predict it unless we face a real choice making. I'd run from Iran just 3 months after the revolution, but one year later, I was among the very first persons in the line up in front of the Iranian Embassy, subscribing for the voluntary participation in the war front !! Not only this surprised my friends, but also myself !!I didn't know I could feel so patriotic !

The feeling of belonging to a country, is really personal and nobody else can measure it, but ourselves.

Regards,

anonym7

I couldn't agree with you more.  I'm no AIPAC fanatic.  I AM pro-Israeli.  That's my view... nothing more, nothing less.  That doesn't mean I support Israeli atrocities against Palestine.  Nor would I support PLO atrocities if I were pro-Palestinian.  I decry needless violence and torture anywhere it occurs and by anyone who propogates it. I believe every American soldier who commited crimes against civilians in Iraq should be punished to the full extent of the law. 

I've said it before on IC... I wish the US would back off Israel.  If she were defenseless, I'd have no problem being her protector.  But she's not.  She's fully capable of taking care of herself, financially and politically.  I wish the ties weren't as strong.  I agree that there is too much influence in the US by AIPAC.  And I agree that the foreign policy in the US towards the Middle East is completely screwed up as well. 

I just don't blame the Jews for everything...:-)

I've asked you time and time again

not to put words in my mouth.  Yet you keep wanting to distort what I'm saying.  I've never implied that I'm afraid of Iranians walking down the street.  What an obscene thing to say. I'm comparing me (anyone in the US) to the situation in Iran where women can't (in many cases) walk the streets without being harassed.  Listen... I'm responding to your words... you're right... I don't have any idea how you feel inside.  Listen to what you're saying... that most Iranians came to the US because they wanted to.  I'd love to hear that from a few more people.  My husband didn't come to the US because he WANTED to.  He came because he didn't have a choice... of living in Iran and being persecuted because of his views and immigrating to the US with his family to live freely.  And I HAVE asked him that question.  What would he do if the government was democratic and he could live in his homeland JUST THE WAY HE LIVES HERE.  And he was the first one to say he didn't know.  I believe... and unless I hear different from the majority, not just you, that most Iranians here would go back if they could, or rather, wouldn't have left at all if they didn't have to.  MOST Iranians came for the exact same reason... NOT because they wanted to leave Iran and come to the US just for the heck of it.  I'll point out that the majority of immigrants came AFTER the revolution.  It was a political situation, not a personal desire to live here.  You act like you just decided at 15 or 16 to come to the US just because it's such a great place and you always wanted to be an American?????  Yeah.  Right.

Again, as far as the oath is concerned.  I also remember him telling me that when they asked the question "would you take arms against your country"... he never actually answered it.  As would any human being, the idea of taking arms against his hamvatans was abhorant to him.  His interviewer or whatever it's called just breezed past it saying "I'll take that as a yes"... not actually making him SAY the words.

I'm glad as hell you like it here.  I wish every Iranian that came here did too.  I wish every immigrant who became an American citizen meant it and appreciated it.  But just because YOU do doesn't mean everyone else does.  Just for the hell of it... why don't you go back and look at some old posts and just see how many who DO live here hate it.  I'm not saying you specifically yet you keep wanting to think I am. 

I get really irritated when I hear you and others keep saying how much better you think you are compared to American-born Americans.  Talk about arrogance.  My husband made huge efforts to learn the language and to SPEAK it.  I hope you're not going to try and tell me that the majority have done the same.  I can give you a couple of examples without even thinking hard of the Iranians I know who can barely speak English after 10 YEARS and 20 YEARS of living here.  You're going to say they aren't the norm... whatever.

Don't "wonder" why I married my husband.  THAT is none of YOUR business anymore than what I think about your feelings, as YOU said. 

To me there is a difference between being American and being am American citizen.  You don't like that... fine.  It's another one of those freedoms you get to enjoy, having an opinion... making speeches is one of mine.

I don't really care what you think personally about me.  No, that's not really true.  I DO care.  I'm just a visitor here... it's been made perfectly clear that I can comment on anything I want EXCEPT something personal about Iran.  Because I'm not Iranian.  I wish you would understand that I'm just as sensitive about the US as you are about Iran. 

superficial patriotism (to AW)

American Wife, be as patriotic as you wish ... just make sure "patriots" such as Zion don't take advantage of your sincere feelings. Extremist fanatics such as Zion have done no good to U.S by dragging it into wars and are up to no good by trying to drag it into another war. Don't take my word, take the word of patriots such as Michael Scheuer the 22 year CIA veteran or Robert Bear a CIA Middle East expert ... or the Jewish Liberal George Soros who says:
"I am not sufficiently engaged in Jewish affairs to be involved in the reform of AIPAC; but I must speak out in favor of the critical process that is at the heart of our open society. I believe that a much-needed self-examination of American policy in the Middle East has started in this country; but it can't make much headway as long as AIPAC retains powerful influence in both the Democratic and Republican parties. Some leaders of the Democratic Party have promised to bring about a change of direction but they cannot deliver on that promise until they are able to resist the dictates of AIPAC. Palestine is a place of critical importance where positive change is still possible. Iraq is largely beyond our control; but if we succeeded in settling the Palestinian problem we would be in a much better position to engage in negotiations with Iran and extricate ourselves from Iraq. The need for a peace settlement in Palestine is greater than ever. Both for the sake of Israel and the United States, it is highly desirable that the Saudi peace initiative should succeed; but AIPAC stands in the way. It continues to oppose dealing with a Palestinian government that includes Hamas."

No more speeches please:)

American wife

I never expected you to cower and i WANTED you to come out and say what was on your mind, and you have done a mighty fine job on that. I am sorry, but you have mistaken me for all other iranians on this site who made such passionate arguments for or against the war or standing up to your government. Please exercise more care in making such distinction. I made that comment in response to your assertion that you should feel lucky you are not being harrassed by one of us, while walking on the street.

You can not be more wrong saying that we HAD To come here as if someone put a gun to our head or something, WE CAME HERE BECAUSE WE WANTED TO. :) we wanted, at least i know that I WANTED, to make that choice, so I learned and assimilated with pride. Not out of some sort of obligation. How the hell do you know how i feel in my heart and how american or iranian i feel? That is not and should not even be any of your concern. How do you how i or anyone else for that matter felt while taking the oath? Sorry, Bud, but here it is you who do not get it in a serious way. I and many others have many interests in this country that will make us more americans than half the americans you know. Trust me.even if Our government was a decent one, we'd still would choose to stay here permanently. You find that hard to believe,i know, which says a lot about what really is going on inside your mind. WHat surprises me is that you married an iranian, Do you feel the same way about him too? that he would have gone back if things were so great in iran or No , that is one big exception?

We have spent many precious years of our lives in USA and nobody has The RIGHT to make a determination of how connected to the culture and ways of life in this country we are. NOBODY.:)What i and many others like me have done out of the love and appreciation,IS A heck of a lot more that your so-called die hard , flag waving, lapel-wearing compatriots.
Perhaps you did not read what i wrote in my previous posting, but I came here at a vulnurable age, and i did the major part of my growing in here. This society shaped my character and personality and who i am today, whether you like it or want to admit it,and on that basis i consider myself an american, while i maintain my iranian traits, but that is not the same as flip-flopping and taking sides when it is convenient to do so. That is so short-sighted and shallow a position to take.

Play Sock and Awe online

//www.sockandawe.com/

Father offers daughter to shoe-thrower

[....CAIRO (Reuters) - An Egyptian man said on Wednesday he was offering his 20-year-old daughter in marriage to Iraqi journalist Muntazer al-Zaidi, who threw his shoes at U.S. President George W. Bush in Baghdad on Sunday...]

//www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUS...

WHERE ARE MY SHOES???????????/

-YT

Bush deserves every sole

Bush deserves every sole that can be thrown on him. I hope this is the new greeting for Bush when he goes traveling.

Kouroush and Fair

Listen to me again...or have a friend read it to you.  I've never taken the position that I alone can determine who is or isn't American.  My comments are expressing my personal opinion.  So, please don't use the word "arrogance" with me.  I have every right in the world to express my opinion... any where and any time I want.  Just as YOU do NOW if in fact you've come from Iran to the US.  So don't think I'm going to cower because you've gone all mavericky on me.  You think you'd be all righteous about "standing up for your beliefs" if it came to a war you personally don't support?  You think that's being American?  Sorry, read between the fine lines.  You don't have that option of deciding if you WANT to fight for "your" country.  You think I or any other parent of children, our young men and women, are going to sit back and say, oh, ok.. this guy doesn't want to go to war.  No problem, we'll just keep sending OUR kids out.  I don't think that's the way it works buddy.  My family has fought for America since WWI.  We'll do it whenever our Commander in Chief tells us to.  Will we WANT to?  Hell no.  But your assumption that YOU will tell who does or doesn't fight is big time ANTI-American. 

Oh, the comment about keeping my skirt on... cute.  I'm impressed you came up with that.  Very mature.  I think my point was that I don't have to worry about that here.  I don't have to wonder if today or tomorrow I'm going to have to worry about leaving my house.

You act all bad ass about standing up to my government.  Now, that is a joke.  Why don't you practice that philosophy yourself for your own hamvatans.

Let me explain something to you.  The day my grandparents got off that boat (and we have a nice little placque with their name on it at Ellis Island), he said:  I am American now.  There is no divided loyalty.  He came to America and he fought for her and lost children to her.  He cherished his homeland and HIS family there.  He mourned for the loss of HIS motherland.  But he came here with the intention of being and raising his family as Americans.  THAT is the difference.  The majority of you came here because you had to.  I think you were the one in a blog a while back making comments about having to assimilate in a new country, learning a new language and new customs.  And you were NOT particularly complimentary about it.  You decided not to stay in Iran for whatever reason.  And I wouldn't judge anyone for those reasons.  But you're here in the US PLAYING at being American when in your heart you're as Iranian as you can be.  You are American citizens.  But that's a LONG LONG way from being an American.  And you just don't get it.  You're going to be American when it's convenient for you.  If you had a chance to go back to Iran tomorrow, you would.  If not you specifically, then the majority of you.  If you had a decent government and could provide a decent living for yourself and your family, you'd be gone like a shot.  And yet, you still call wanna yourself American? 

And then there are those REALLY clever ones who want to bring up the American Indians and slavery and all the other ugly stuff.  Ok.  Whatever.  You want to call it one thing.  I call it the same all over the world.  Back to the Vikings invading Ireland... and everywhere else..lol.  We came, we conquered...:-).  Just like ancient times everywhere.  Just like the Arabs invading Iran a zillion years ago.  I think it's the nature of mankind to want to explore and conquer.  So I'm not really thinking that we're any different than anyone else.  Yes, we had slavery.  Again, not the only country to do so.  We overcame a great deal of things my friends.  We're ashamed of a lot of things and we're proud of a great many other things. 

But what am I doing defending America to you Americans!  How silly of me.  I wonder why it is that the majority of immigrants want to come here.  Must be the shrimp and grits for breakfast...:-) 

Moment Agha Moment

May I suggest that all the rabais and the mullahs get together (preferablly in a mega giant MosTaRah) and don't be allowed out, until they settle their thousand year differences?

Or even better, don't be allowed out period!!

funniest joke in all these comments:

funniest joke in all these comments was this (by Q):
Fred + Cindy + Kate = B52s
LOL!
Q jan, you missed the drummer, Keith.

15 years? That's democracy for you!

Iraq don't understand democracy yet. Better bomb again!!!

YT - 15 Years

That's really disheartening..

Well hopefully they'll be smart and release him before the end of that sentence.