Anyway

Anonymous observer, that's what I thought, now read this

I asked you to confirm the fairness of the situation: comparing apples to apples, and apparently you don't want to do that. Instead you seem to be lecturing me about what I should admit to. That's a sign that you have nothing of substance left to say.

You are being so biased and arbitrary to suit your needs. This is detectable by any fair observer who doesn't inharently have an agenda against one side or another.

You imply I'm a hypocrite for applauding throwing of shoes at Bush but not the same for Ahmadinejad. However, you yourself want to compare the entire history of the Iranian government just to the actions of President Bush. Even there he has outdone anything IRI could dream of. But this is besides the point. We won't get there because you can't accept a fair ground of comparison.

I did not applaud anyone for throwing a shoe at a representative of the US, but at its President, George W. Bush.

You conflated the issue (because it suits your argument) by essentially saying that, "No, we must consider the Government, not the person". And I let you do it. And now you are not happy since you know the crimes of the US Government far outweigh that of the Iranian government based on any comparison. It's not even close.

And now I will tell you why I am not a hypocrite:

George Bush is responsible for starting an illegal invasion that lead to some 1.2 Million deaths (according to cited figures). This does not even count innocent lives at Afghanistan, and people killed and tortured in Guantanimo Bay, not to mention other injustices inside the US.

On those levels, Ahmadinejad is guilty of crimes hundreds, perhaps thousands of times less severe than George W. Bush. Therefore, when going to see him, it's only fair that you treatment toward those crimes also be appropriately less severe.

So in my book, getting up in his face and asking a forceful question is more than adequate compared to the crimes he is responsible for. In fact, it is proportionally more of a severe reaction.

Let's face it, if I were to throw a shoe at Ahamdinejad to indicate disgust on his "crimes", I would have to burn George W. Bush at the stake to achieve the same level of disgust per amount of crime.

That's how it is.

I realize many people, perhaps yourself, do not care about other crimes. But in my book, death and suffering of people is just as wrong no matter who does it and what nationality they belong to. I try to be appropriate in my reactions, and thus can't be blamed at focusing most of it toward the man who did most of it.

Koroush S

Did you know Iranian refer to IRI supporters as terrorists? Just a heads up

I am an Iranian but antiIRI. But what are you?

Didn't you in your previous comments pretended you are an American and wanted to be an American Citizen? You were very passionate about making your case about how American you are and that you pay taxes.

Now you are an IRI supporter? is that not an oxymoron?

So American Wife was right when ever it is comfortable you switch sides.

So what are you an IRI supporter or an American patriot?

I truly think you should stick with supporting IRI.

American life style doesn't fit you since you hate minorities and love a system that uses abuse and bigotry against different religions and different minorities.

Be courageous and say who you really are another IRI supporter.

Q - It Takes a Big Person to Admit His / Her Mistake

The issue was how one should confront the representative of a government that has committed crimes against humanity.  I said as much in my first post.  Here's the exact quote: "...that there is another person who is the representative of a government...".  So, don't try to muddy the issue or raise an issue that doesn't exist.  I have seen you on this site long enough to know your techniques.  You were caught talking from both sides of your mouth.  Just admit it and move on.  Trust me, it's much better to do that than to make a lot of noise about nothing trying to cover it.  You're just digging yourself a bigger hole.

Incidentally, you can talk about "American government crimes" as much as you want.  It just doesn't change the issue.

Here's a bit of friendly advice:  always think before you write.  You never know when your writings come back to haunt you. 

Joosh zadam Moghoof. Daaha..

Kuroush S

Stop teaching Zion who she is or what her identity should be

She is beyond that. I don;t think even god can teach her anything. she is impossible.

Yous and these group of IRI supporters here on this site try really hard to orchestrate a good image of a regime that has systematically discriminated against minorities.

Yous?? Who is Yous? I Have? really? i will be damned if i ever said anything. IRI does not need me in order to provide a good image for itself.

"Now you are try to do it behind your keyboards and practice your bigotry."

SOunds familiar, doesn't it? Look who is talking.

I tell you write now Iranian Jews are 1000 times more Iranians than you and I

Iran bahais are 1000 times more Iranian than you and I and any Iranian shia Muslim.

Iranian women are 100 times more lion than you and I.

Iranian minorities are the true Iranians not you and I.

Oh i see. an Anti-iri who does not even consider himself an iranian. Hmm. who are you anyways? Knock, knock, any body there?

If you are a man go stand up against the ones who kick a women in a face because she does not have a hijab, so donl't pick on Zion, you Nazi.

The name is Kourosh Not nazi, okay amigo? I pick on whomever i want to, So stop your B-i-t-c-h-i-n-g.

Q

Let us do the comparison prior to that, I'll be happy to do so:

USA from 1980-2008 how many USA citizens have been killed by the american governmnet because of political, religius or ethnic minority? ZERO

IRI from 1980-2008 how many Iranian citizens have been murdered, executed by the IRI regime because of political, religious or ethnic minorities? Over 2 million

Fact, Iranian women get kicked in the face or slapped in the face by IRI agents because of Hijab.

Fact, Iranian women is stoned to death because of adultery.

Fact Iranian women is executed because she killed the rapist who raped her and her cousin.

Fact, Kurdish region and Sistan Baluchistan region are constantly bombed by IRI air force because of their minority status.

Fact, Khuzestan rich in Oil and natural resources but the whole province looks like a third world country.

Fact, if you are a Bahai in Iran you get kicked in the face by your peers and teachers, and on occasion streets and houses that Bahi's live are burnt and their wifes and daughters are raped by Muslim savages. And sometimes their graveyards are destroyed and feces thrown on the graves.

Fact, in Iran if you are Jewish you are treated like an animal.

Fact, in Iran if you are a women you are treated like an animal.

Fact in Iran if you are human you are treated like an animal.

Q, stop the nonsense you are such IRI propaganda machine that you are going to ridicule yourself when you this path.

Just go to your Islamic school and study your Islamic books.

Oh good Anonymous Observer

I thought you meant Ahmadinejad, but I knew you couldn't possibly find any evidence of him killing 1.2 Million people.

So we're talking about Governments now right? So things done by the Government prior to the Presidency of Ahmadinejad count?

Before getting into you providing any proof for the amount of killing, we must both agree that if prior action by the "Government" of Iran is part of this debate, then surely prior action by the United States Government should also count, correct? Afterall, I believe you are trying to do a fair comparison right?

Please kindly clarify this point before we can move on.

Thank You.

Dear antiIran: It has been proven once again that you are a liar. I will not accept any numbers from you unless you can show me the evidence. Until then, consider yourself ignored.

Q

The regime who is responsible for killing 1.2 million Iranian is IRI.

Current puppet is Ahmadinejad aka Antarinejad

The supreme leader or Fuehrer Khamenei aka Hitler

the spy agency location here in USA is the special interste group in Washington DC.

I am not sure why Anonymous Observer even asked you that question. You are an IRI supporter. A defender of IRI and their Nazi ideology.

Actually the numbers are much greater than 1.2 million that is only during the Iran-Iraq war.

Million others have been executed by the regime.

Hundreds of thousands displaced or relocated in different parts of the world.

These regime is not only responsible for killing Iranian inside of Iran but also outside. As well the killing of other nationalities because of their religion or political beliefs.

Dear Q

Please read my comment again.  I said that he was the representative of a government that had committed those atrocities.  Obviously George Bush didn;t do all the killings by himself either!!!  As far as your request for stats. we all know IRI's execution records.  Obviously, they're not going to give us an exact breakdwon!!!  We also know the Iran-Iraq war casualties where the IRI used child soldiers. 

Incidentally, I found your exact quote about how one should deal with the IRI  regarding its human rights record, which, by your own admission, is pretty bad.  Here it is.  I italicized the second paragraph:

"No question about it, that there are human rights problems in Venezuela, Iran, Cuba, etc. But nobody wants the dirty hands of the US government to fix them. Only arrogant fools think they have it all figured out, and feel entitled to dictate (by force and intimidation!) what's best for other nations. Therefore meeting with these leaders is a good thing in America. You also need to tell the President that in spite of the expressed wishes of some warmongers the vast majority of Iranians in the US do not accept any kind of bombing or invasion of Iran by the US.

Your sons should meet Ahmadinejad. But if you want to set an example you should talk to Mahmoud in front of your sons, about the human rights record in Iran. Take a forceful, but polite, stance in front of him. Otherwise, what's the difference between hiding those realities and hiding the ones about communist governments that your father did to you?"

Indeed, what would be the difference between the two...

KoroushS

Kuroush S

Stop teaching Zion who she is or what her identity should be

Yous and these group of IRI supporters here on this site try really hard to orchestrate a good image of a regime that has systematically discriminated against minorities.

Now you are try to do it behind your keyboards and practice your bigotry.

I tell you write now Iranian Jews are 1000 times more Iranians than you and I

Iran bahais are 1000 times more Iranian than you and I and any Iranian shia Muslim.

Iranian women are 100 times more lion than you and I.

Iranian minorities are the true Iranians not you and I.

If you are a man go stand up against the ones who kick a women in a face because she does not have a hijab, so donl't pick on Zion, you Nazi.

Anonymous observer

There is an Iranian person who is responsible for the killing of 1.2 Million people and he came to the US last year?

Who is that person? And shame on me for not recognizing that.

First, tell me the person's name and show me proof that he is responsible for that many deaths, I'll be happy to oblige. Recall that I linked to an article that provided the figure. You can do the same.

If you can't, please at least don't call anyone else a hypocrite. Deal?

Anonymous Observer -- Ahsan, Afarin

But please don't use the word Iran.

Iran is not the same as USA.

In Iran people don't have a say in the government or a choice to select a government. So please refer it to as IRI.

Second, these hamal who threw his shoe is a shia but working for an Egyptian TV agency, which is competing with Iranian TV agency.

Iraqis doesn't matter if it is a Shia or Sunni have always hated Iran

In 1971 an 1972 they tried several times to attack Iran.

Shah (the idiot) kind of scared them off, actually he bombed the hell out of the Iraqi battle ground and I think that is how they signed the Algiers pact (i am rusty on my history)

Conclusion here is Arabs are not friends of Iranian people.

But I like your conclusion and your logic

Dear Q

If you go back a couple of pages on these comments, you can see that I was one of the first people who applauded the reporter for humiliating "W" in Iraq.  He deserved it after all the crimes that he has committed there since 2003.  Incidentally, I heard that the guy doesn't like Iranians either.  For that I applaud him too because I think that Iran has been involved in the chaos in Iraq as well, and it has contributed to the suffering of the Iraqi people since the U.S. occupation of Iraq began in 2003.  So, Iranians are just as guilty and they should be condemed as well for casuing chaos, death and destruction in Iraq.

That being said, I note your folliwng statement praising the "shoe thrower":

An ordinary Iraqi throws his shoe in a clear symbolic gesture of disgust. He throws the shoes at the man directly responsible for deaths of over 1.2 Million of his countrymen, and making another 4 million homeless, ruining the country and stealing its resources, all based on malicious, willful lies.

You also say:

Yes, I love that pie-to-the face approach. I believe Anne Coulter was also a recipient. I too, wish the Iraqi had done that instead. Bush deserves nothing less!

Fair enough.  The problem though is that there is another person who is the representative of a government which has caused probably just as many deaths of Iranians for the past thirty years through summary executions, the crime of sending child soldiers to the battlefront, extra-judicial killings, etc.  That government is also responsible for the torture, street beatings and unlawful arrest of tens of thousands of other Iranians.  But when that representative visited the U.S. last September and there was talk here on this site of people demonstrating and confronting him about those crimes, you were advocating a very respectful discussion and a very civilized question and answer session with that person (by this time, you obviously must know that I refer to Ahmadinejad).  So, when it comes to Bush, the show throwing is a heroic effort, but when it comes to Ahmadinejad, Iranians should do some good ol' fashioned butt kissing before they "politely" ask him about democracy and IRI's crimes in Iran (and please don't try to deny what you said in that regard, bacuse even though I don't have the energy to look for that quote right now, I'm sure that I can find it).

Can you please explain to us why you are not a hypocrite?

Good Job Chief of staff. anti-IRI,,,, cold shower

Zion.

Using words such bozos and Smartasses, are for kindergarten-aged kids and qualifies you for the disneyworld.com chat room.

Contribute to the discussion or debate, Be an adult.
Face it. You are not the only one in this world whois proud of who ever the hell you are, iranian-jew, non-iranian jew or whoever the hell you consider yourself to be.

Zion you take them heads on -- Iadmire you for that

Great job

Thanks AntiIRI

much obliged. Seriously though, don't take these bozos too seriously to argue with in such detail. Debunk and leave them whining and trying their best to sound like smart asses, that's a better approach.

anonymous8 ohhhhhh I am so scared

Annonymous8 has joined a group of elite Mullahs who call an Island a friend of IRI.

It is funny you remind me of the IRI foreign minister, who used to travel small, unknown islands and the say we have signed an agreement with hoganananaha from Island of hurahuaraha and now IRI has more friends in UN.

Come on dude stop humiliating yourself.

Now you find a tent designed by Basijis and call it a university.

If you call those universities then why is that millions of Iranian kids are on te street and can't attend universities.

Why is that suicide rate amongst teenagers are so high in Iran since they can't pass the Kunkur exam.

Stop your IRI propaganda.

Are you like that IRI minister with a fake Diploma.

If you think IRI is so progressive so what are you doing in this country?

If you hate USA so much what are you doing here?

I am coming out of closet! (to Zion and other extremists)

Zion khAnoom, yesterday after watching Robert Bear's presentation I realized I am almost in complete agreement with his analysis (//fora.tv/2008/11/05/Robert_Baer_Irans_Grip_O...). That encouraged me to come out of closet and confess than I am a pro CIA, IRI supporter.
Zion khAnoom, go watch his video, there is a very remote chance that you learn something.
(iranian.com has the link for Robert Bear's presentation too.)

Q and Farhad

I have to make this short... so here it goes:

Farhad jan: Thanks, although it's hard for me to take side with one wrong to fight the other, I will keep your advice in mind.

Q : Genius! and hilarious at the same time, I can't stop laughing at the "double-check on your end" part.

Thank you

IRANdokht

So... antiIRI

when you say "I feel bad for all those students attending those universities..."

I assume you have no choice but to admit there ARE universities, so therefore you are a liar when you said there were NO universities. You also lie about "tents". You have obviously not seen any of them in person like I have. Such a hateful hothead you are. You are the one humiliating yourself.

The fact that you are a narrow-minded liar was already obvious. now, I'm sure it was made obvious to yourself.

Thank you for your part. NOW I'm done with you.

Q stop playing with words

You like to play with words and think you are a psycho analyst.

Know Iranian leader would ever embrace Islam or that backward religion.

It was imposed by force upon us and the Iranian people.

As you know the people of Iran have always resisted foreign forces. Even when the Ayatollah tried to ban Iranian tradition and culture people resisted.

Stop picking on Zion, she has done a great job to put up with bully, manipulative narrow minded Islamic fascist like you guys on this site.

Zion kudos, keep up the good work.

I prefer 1 jew or Israeli to 100 thousand Arabs.

I love Jewish, Bahai, Zoroastrianism or any Iranian minority since they had to put up with IRI Nazi like government.

I admire them and I think they are the real Iranians.

Anonymous8 stop humiliating yourself

I feel bad for all those students attending those universities or I call them huts, a tent made to University. LOL

Did you tell your IRI handler to quickly design a web site? Annonymous8, just call yourself IRI supporter, then we have a better discussion.

Since I will be antiIRI you will be for IRI. Like harry and Sally.

I am harry and you are Sally. Have you even watched that movie? Does your IRI boss allow you to watch PG rated movies/ In that movie I loved you so much and I converted you to judaism. LOL

Anyone who is familiar with IRI and their accomplishment knows they have done nothing for the Iranian people.

You posted 18 universities and you came up with few links.

I know you are an IRI supporter so why are you trying so hard.

What a shame........

A gutless suicide bomber throws his shoes and a bunch of disgraceful parasites come to cheer his act. Where has your dignity gone? This is not criticizing, this is demonizing. How can you seek refuge in here (by choice) and take advantage of all it has to offer and then abuse the freedom she granted you to demonize her. You call this gleeing, criticizing?...shame on you… you are no American. As a matter of fact, you are nobody… you have no allegiance to no one but your selfish SELF.

How can anyone (left alone American) praise what this lunatic did as a symbol of protest? Does it mean he couldn’t shout and cuss in protest? He had to show the world and affirm their belief that the arabs are a bunch of coocoos. Regardless of what this idiot did and whether Bush was a deserving recipient or not, as someone who believes in the system of democratic government here, I despised his action and the reaction of many on this site in his support.

There is no legitimate criticism without a counter and constructive alternative to what is being criticized. Nothing is easier than Monday morning quarterbacking……You cannot name a leader in history who didn’t make a miscalculation or mistake. This is not to defend the Bush administration or the Iraq war.  But, most every one on this site underestimates the gravity of 9/11 as a war against United States (not only by Bin Laden). So, Bush made a huge mistake in attacking Iraq, what would you smartasses do to protect this nation (that you proudly call yourself an American) against the threat of Islamo-facism and Jihad? NOTHING. You sit here and attack the fair-minded people like AW who are 10 times stronger of a Bush critique than you could ever be.

We can all be of Iranian heritage, Jewish, Muslim, Bahaiis, Democrat, Republican, black, white or whatever, but we have pledged our allegiance when we accepted to live here and share all the benefits that everybody else is entitled to. It will be a disgrace and definition of atrocity if we demonize the system in the name of criticism.

I challenge everyone on this site to name a nation on the face of this planet who is more dignified, harder working, enjoys the benefits of democracy, equal justice, rule of law and opportunity for all,……Please name one…. What is wrong with being gracious and honestly criticizing. Let the democratic process function. What is wrong with throwing “your symbolic shoes” by casting of your ballots? Stop praising a gutless extremist child who was dying to get some fame. Those pairs of shoes were nothing compared to the ridicule and humiliation this president has been facing at home.

American wife: Please continue to be who you are. You have my utmost respect, many times in disagreement, but not this time.

Anonymous2 is BRILLIANT!

Dear Einstein, you have cracked the code and exposed us. I am in awe of your mathematical genius.

Kourosh = Anonym7 = Q,
Anonymous8 = YT = Mammad,
Irandokht = Souri = Rosie, hateBush = hajiagha, neubauer = JJ

If your brilliance does not mind, I have some other correlaries figured out as a result of your postulations that I would like to present to your highness:

JJ = Hussein Haghiagha = Hussein Derakhshan = Hussein Obama
antiIRI = proIRI = ambivalentaobutiri
Rosie = TokyoR = Azadeh + (1/2)n.zaninecanadai
Souri = Jahelo + Irankokht - Rosie = I have a crush on Alex Trebek
Zion = Mehrdad = "Lost ghost of Ben Gurion, stuck on Earth until realization of sins"
Fred + Cindy + Kate = B52s
2 + 2 = 5
American Wife = neither american nor wife, discuss
Farhad Kashani = Ayatollah Kashani = British
Anonymous^2 = 4
Anony7 + 1 = Anonymous8 = 2 x Anonymous^2

Dear ostad, do you concur?

AntiIRI: You wrote: "Did you know Kroush would hate Islamist and muslim fanatics?"

Answer: You're right. I will go with my real name, Qumars from now on. I hear, he was much more accepting of Islam.

KouroshS:

KouroshS aka Q
Dear KouroshS, I have verified the math and the Anonymous mathematician is correct on this one. Please double-check on your end.

Anonymous^2:
Kourosh = Anonym7 = Q
I believe you are correct, but the other two do not agree. Please advise.

Zion:
How all the leftists, Islamists, open and in closet IRI supporters, all the foam im mouth anti-semites and anti-Zionists and anti-whatever

Wow, that Dyslexia must be a bitch. But does it also explain your backward thought process, top-down racist stereotyping and inside-out sense of humanity? Come on there must be at least a couple more frivolous labels you can pull out of you-know-where. I thought you said this was your day-job and this is the best you can do?

hateBush: Yes, I love that pie-to-the face approach. I believe Anne Coulter was also a recipient. I too, wish the Iraqi had done that instead. Bush deserves nothing less!

Let this be the first few drops of the collective world urination on Bush's legacy of death and destruction.

IRANdokht jaan, here is how

IRANdokht jaan, here is how I see them. Bush: incompetent, traditionalist, horrific public image cause he does not value public image, corporate-style running of government, and indulged in the permanent campaign culture.

Khamenei: blood thirsty, fundamentalist, tyrant, ultra-traditionalist, ultra religious, lives in the 7th century, cares nothing about Iran, anti modernism, anti democratic, incompetent, uneducated and a thug.

As far as the suicide bombing, the answer is yes, and the reason is: look around beyond Iraq. Look at Pakistan, Afghanistan, S Arabia, Egypt, Yemen, Morocco, Algeria, Madrid, London, NY, DC, Bali,,,,,,,you name it! it’s a culture dear, a death culture, a death cult if you will.

One last thing about Taliban which I already eluded to, the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan rarely, if any times at all, used suicide bombing to fight the Soviets, but why are they using them now? And to kill who? Innocent helpless Afghanis? The answer is because they were a different generation not influenced by IRIs culture of martyrdom.

IRANdokht aziz, you know I have high regards for you because you stand with the people of Iran when it comes to fighting the IRI. That’s what matters here, and that’s what I keep telling, lets not lose focus of who the real enemy is (the IRI) by immersing in the “culture of false anti-Bushism”. Right anti-Bushism is fine with me!

Regards,

Yeah. He told me last

Yeah. He told me last night.

You are Number one On the list of hated ones.

Koroush aziz ,   I

Koroush aziz ,

I think Karl Rove fooled the conservatives (and consequently the world) to think that he is hardcore fundamentalism so they go out and vote for him. Second, the Islamists do have the right to kill Americans troops (not American civilians or Iraqi civilians) because U.S has a military presence there. Iraq is a sovereign country under U.N and U.S never claimed it is occupying Iraq, although I agree the U.S actions in Iraq came very close to that.

 Anonymous7,  

I’m talking about handling Islamist tactics of war (i.e suicide bombing), not intelligence about the events that led to the Iraq war.

 YT, 

The Iraq war was a failure of government as a total, mostly, failure of bureaucracy, the intelligence, the permanent campaign culture, and Bush’s incompetence. Not because Bush is “bloodthirsty”, or “hates Islam”, or “loves invading Iraq!”.That does not mean Bush should get a free pass or not be held accountable, rather, we should understand this: Islamic fundamentalism was, is and will be the greatest threat to civilization as we know it. It started by Khomeini and it hit U.S on 9/11. When U.S wanted to deal with it, it had an incompetent president and failed bureaucracy that caused in horrendous mistakes and whoever made those mistakes, should be held accountable. Now, in 2009, Islamic fundamentalism is still the biggest threat to world peace. It should be dealt with and all countries in the world, including the U.S, SHOULD focus everything they got on this savage ideology, and the center of it, the Islamic regime in Iran. Obama, by the way, understands that well.

Cold Shower.

Zion. Tell your Chief of staff, Mehrdad, To set up an appointment for you, at a local spa and after that a cold shower.
As if you have talked to us and seen us in real life and konw exactly who we are. Sure. You are the Know-it-all. assuming that we are leftist or all that nonsense, means that you have not been paying attention to any of what has been said in here and keep on pressing ahead with your dirty and filthy tactic of name calling.

You think I will stop being proud of living in america and with american people, because of what you have to say? I am a proud Iranian and American. You are just jealous. LOL

P.s.
Hey i did not know there was a circus in town.
Where are you guys performing and what are the show times?

antiIRI, I do not need your admission, you ARE a liar

You are a very sad and narrow minded person. You were right to call yourself coward. You are a serial liar and have a much bigger problem psychologically.

There could be 30 Universities in the list I gave you, I do not have time to find websites for you. You can google them. It matters not to me if you don't believe me, because that shows your own ignorance. Here are one or two to get you started. I'm done with this convesation.

//www.muk.ac.ir/
//fpharmacy.ajums.ac.ir/HomePage.aspx?TabID=0...

this is video showing Univesity of Zabol
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5Yrv8ln9RI

I kiss American wife's hands

because she's sooooooo American, her Irish parents came here a bit before the current immigrants.... and Americans of European background are soooooo much better than other Americans. They are older and thus more American, God bless Americans.

KoroushS

Did you know Kroush would hate Islamist and muslim fanatics?