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You may be right, I'm a dim-witted, but at least try not to be one dim-witted yourself ! Don't start your comment with the word "YOU ARE" ...instead use "You Think" or "You do". You don't know who I am, how could you judge people this way?

Again, for the word "Esalat", No, I don't have it. What is this ?

I do not have "Esalat" but at least I don't post free insult to the people I don't even know.

I believe all people around the world are borned equally. Those words " Esalat" and so on, belong to the "old school".

We live in 21st Century, wake up !! 

The old continent

Although I understand the writer's point and in overall agree with most of what he points out, I still believe judging a country as civilized or uncivilized based on its social welfare, retirement and medical system is not very fair. That would be a one-dimensional view of it. On the other hand, the writer of the article, has taken as granted his 'possibility' of working in different American corporations, something not so easy in Europe. The US has its own flaws and failures and the lack of universal medicare and extreme corporativism are two serious issues, however that country has many other positive things that has attracted people from around the world for centuries.  I have lived in North America and mainly Europe for decades and can tell you that many Iranians after years of living in 'civilized' countries like Sweden, France and Germany have moved to North America. Everything is relative, but I do agree with the fact that some European countries take care of their citizens much more that the US does, but again, they still want to take care of 'their' citizens not people like us that sometimes abuse their systems. France is a very good example of it.  Everything is relative and the US does offer some opportunities that aren't easily available in the old continent. I recommend the following site: //www.weareellisisland.org/

Dear Curious

Dear Curious Joe,

     I am sorry to read that you have come to regret your decision to live in America.  Without trying to be negative, I wonder why an educated man such as yourself with so many letters behind his name would have ever chosen to live in the United States.  I am not Iranian, but have been married to an Iranian woman for many years, and I was fortunate to be the father of a son whose heart was filled with love for his fellow Iranians. 

     I grew up very poor as a child.  The region of the U.S. where I grew up is still impoverished, but I don't think of myself as better than those I once lived amongst.  I thank God every day for allowing me to escape to poverty and misery that my life half a century ago was.  I thank God every day for giving me the ability to succeed in school, so that I could eventually earn a doctorate, and I thank God for bringing a beautiful Iranian lady into my lonely life thirty years ago.

     Most of all I thank God for giving me a beautiful son whose heart was full of love and pride for both his Iranian heritage and his American heritage.  He was our only child.  He died  several months ago in an automobile accident at the age of fifteen.  His mother and I are broken hearted and we miss him terribly, but we never blame God for taking him away from us.   We thank Khoda every day for allowing us to have fifteen loving and precious years with our boy.  We could be bitter, like you, but instead of focusing on the bad, we choose to focus on the good.

     God never promised us that we would have our child forever and we accept with sadness that He took him, but we know that one day we will see him again.  Similarly, God nor the American people forced you to immigrate to the U.S. nor were you froced to stay.  You were free to go anytime you wanted, but you chose to remain as long as you were gettting something out of it for yourself.  Now that you have experienced what many Americans experience every day, you cry foul.  We may be an ignorant people, but we opened our doors to you when you needed a place to call home.  It is beyond ignoble and ungrateful to now complain that the hospitality you recieved does not meet with your appoval.

     With your high level of education and years of corporate experience, why not pick yourself up and look for a job.  I wish it was that simple for my sweet wife and myself.  Unfortunately, we don't know of any way to get Khoda to give us back our boy.

     Life is what you make of it.  You can choose to be bitter, or full of gratitude, but you can't reasonably expect to live life by a different set of rules from everyone else.  We all face adversity in life.  Our measure in life is how we comport ourselves when faced with those difficulties.  

God Bless You and Good Luck! 

to souri

You are a dim-witted and one dimensional character. Just because the French use an expression, does not necessailry mean that it is proper , nor is it reflective of any etiquette. Under some context, "dahati" might be cool, but using it condescendingly,is insulting ( case here). The cities that Joe mentioned, have a lot of "esalat" and rich culture and since you do not possess these qualities, it is no surprise that you do not comprehend it.
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-. To Joe: thank you for sharing your story.

Deadly and Dangerous Medical Symptoms

Deadly and Dangerous Medical Symptoms
I feel your pain my friend. When you get close to the end and you see yourself as an underachiever, a loser or shafted by the system, suddenly your inner anger reveals itself in a form of attacking everything and everybody. To ease the pain of being a failure and satisfy or rather fool your subconscious, you start making all sorts of allegations, assertions, and above all you feel extremely jealous of other’s success. You need to see a psychologist as soon as you can. Based on relevant and accurate statistics, people with this kind of symptoms, will experience severe depression and ultimately they commit self inflicting injuries. Please seek some help immediately and an overall psychiatric evaluation before is too late. I hope you find your sanity and have a good life for the remaining years left. I feel very sorry for you. Good luck and may God go with you my fellow hamvatan.

Ghavidamet

You've got what you deserved, now go fuck yourself.

رآه چاره

آقو دلوم برآت میسوزه فردا برو چلو آدآره کمکهآی مالئ
کون پتی برآشون بخون

کورپرت کرده کونم وآئ وآئ

سر پیری بی پولم وآی وای

مدرک آکآبرت هم با خودت دآشته بآش

شاید فرچی بشه

در هر صورت شومو موفق بآشین

Not an insult

Dear curios Joe,

I do agree with everything you write here (even with using the word Dehati as expression!)

Just have to add some facts to your point :

The phenemena you are talking about, is now every where, not only in US. This is very frustrating, but true.

I have lived in France (17 years) and US (2 years) and now in Canada (9 years) and can say , the same thing is happening now even in Iran.

This fact is a result of the world becoming more and more "Capitalist"

I have friends and family members   who are doctors in Europe, but the quality of their lives is even lower than the  "carpet dealers" in those same countries, leave alone in US !!!

Even in Iran, educated people are less fortunate than the "bazari men"

but you would say "Iran is an exception because of the revolution..."

I know some car dealers or carpet dealers in US who haven't even finished their primary school (as a matter of fact they all come from the dehats of Tabriz, even not Tehran !!!)

Those people live much better, luxery lives than the engineer or som doctors I know in US.

I can give you 2 or 22 more example of the same fact in France, Germany, USA or here in Canada...you know this better than every one.

Coming now to the word "Dehati"....

There's nothingh wrong with using this word. It has been in our culture to use this word every time we wanted to refer to someone less educated, and this is not an insult and should not be taken like this.

At the time we lived in Iran (some 20/30 yeas ago) the province and villages of Iran (like some other countries even in the West ) had no commodities, no TV nor library..not even a regular newspaper...

It was natural to find the " Dehati hamvatan" less informed and less educated which by all dose not mean they were stupid !

When I was living in Iran (Tehan) somethimes I was surprized to encounter people from village, who knew all the Hafez peoms by heart, or  could give us some advices through the old stories of "Kalileh & Damneh"...etc..etc...

But regardless of thier knowledge, they still didn't know what happens in the world, in Palestine ?in Vietnam? they didn't know the rules

we call "Etique" or even they didn't know where USA or France are situated in the world....

Using the word "Dehati" is just to define someone who was (at that time) less prepared to encounter the outside world. Now, hopefully these things have been improved a lot, thanks to the internet, TV..etc.

Now, in Iran, every village has at least one University!!!

There's more Universities in Iran than there's students willing to study... (and that is only a joke, don't take it seriously please)

So, please let be more indulgent to each other and not try to play "the intellectuals" just because we live in the other corner of the world.

The word "Dehat" or "Villagois in French" has it's signification which is only to describe the lack of preparation for success in the materailistic world of today, it is not a word of discrimination!

Don'tjump on the conclusion  and attack the person who used the word only on a regular base of our language.

With respect to all of you, I must also mention that I liked the comment of Mr or Mrs Hendi, the most .

Thanks to all.

Sense of humor, any one?

Did you get it properly?! I think, NOT... That video clip (equal opportunity) was one of the smartest & funniest clip that I have seen lately! We should be able to laugh at every body & more importantly at ourselves once in a while... You take yourself too seriously bro, and that's a big mistake in my opinion...

Aquman

Yea. Aquman, look at the youtube video you posted for us to see.

Jose' response...

What Mexican fellow? Where? What happened to you, Jose Jaan ? I hope you didn't break any law to go to jail or something!

Aquaman's video

I saw it. The only thing is about the mexican fellow who is talking about brain washing the kids. Can you elaborate on that!!?? It is sad. We live in a sad world.
I am posting this because I don't want to get my ass chewed. Some of us are much luckier than others growing up and have the chance to grow and grow economically and get laid often enough to brag about it. You are lucky, because you did not meet up with that mexican fellow and understand what he can do to you.

Be glad that you were not in my shoes.

You are an example of what

You are an example of what america is all about. after living in this country for over 30 years you are still an arrogant and elitist person. wtf, calling people from outside of tehran DEHATIS!!! what's wrong with a person who was raised in a village? what is wrong with having a car dealership??

JJ, make those math questions a little harder, something like 3YZ+2956r%3954.562-687x=

There are good or bad in every country.

There are good or bad things in every country. I agree there is a thin line between success and failure. Corporate America will fuk its mother to make an extra dollar.
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There are Americans and other nationalities who live in Iran even today.

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If one assumes Iran as a mother, one wonders what this mother do or did that produced so many haroom-zadeh. Those who sold Iran down the river (so to speak) will sell their so-called adapted country if they find better opportunities somewhere else. No different than prostitutes and haroom-zadeh people.

hahanshah javid

yo! jahanshah:
amma tu khob mardoom ro kir kardi voo sarvaresh shoodi with all these horseshit.
and they go for it.

God Bless America

America is greatest country in the word; I can't wait to become citizen in this great nation so I can call my self an American. I was born in Iran and my parents and grand parent for generation lived in Iran. What Iran has offered us with all national resources that Iran has? Let’s be honest? Health Care? 401 K? Or what?I have being out side Iran since I was 14 y Old and I came to us about 12 y ago. Having high level of education at the end I decided to go different rout and take my destiny in my own hand. Yes, I became Realtor. Living in Iran, I remember as a kid I had to deal with bunch a non sense people like you MR. Joe. In this country you have choice to make and whatever you do; you do to it to yourself. This country has a lot to offer and it is land of opportunity. Whoever, do not like living in America, Please DON’T. No one has held a gun on your head and making you to stay. Please leave and go somewhere that you can live happy. I have heard that slogan long time ago from a very smart professor saying “where ever you love is your Home.” I love United State of America. God Bless America  

I was at London's Heathrow

I was at London's Heathrow airport. There was a "dehaati" old man. Kolah namadi, shalvar kordi and geeveh, BE KHODA. He couldn't speak a word of Enlgish and he was carrying his luggage with 2 rugs on one of his shoulders. I stepped in as a translator and he followed me every where until we were on the same flight to USA. I offered to get a cart for him and asked if he wanted to share mine. He wasn't interested. I could barely understand his Farsi. This little old man with a GHOOZ, had put 2 kids through medical school some where in New York.

Curious Joe, read the stories of Curious George! Khastan tavanestan ast! When asked what is the secret to her success, Martha Stewart once said "curiosity"!!!!

No doubt the economics of the world isn't what it used to be. That sucks. However, even today, it's much better to be in Los Angeles than Rafsanjan! At least, in the US, once can get loans and go to school.

Skip The Netherlands!

Hi,

Az a Irani living 28 years in Holland, I tell you this: Take Holland off the list of civilized nations! The most uneducated dahati in the most desolates parts of Iran has more civlization running in his/her blood than the most privileged Dutch citizen.

This is America, and I love it... :-)

Please enjoy the show :-)

//it.youtube.com/watch?v=qrAcPneu8BI

Long live America and Europe

Long live America and Europe and Iran.
All countries are good all people good.
I don't know why you guys are unhappy.
I love both America and iran as my countries.

But I got laid so many times...

Ladies & Gentlemen,
As a 40 year old Tehrooni who has lived in California (not L.A.) First of all, I have had a fortune to meet & make good friends with Dehatees, Americans, Italians, Germans, French, Spanish, Mexicans, Blacks, Turks, Arabs, Isrealis, South Africans, Japanese and many other ethnicities & nationalities right here in San Diego, CA. Where in the world could I have seen so much diversities & learn from it in such peaceful & positive way??? As a result of that, I traveled the world at least 15 times in the past 22 years & learned to understand & speak German, French, Spanish and a little Turkish, Portugese & Italian.. Just by being interested!
I also learnt from one of my best Iranian/ American friend who is from Kurdestan, many beautiful Persian poems & literature... For these reasons alone, I am so so Thankful...
You may ask, how did I travel so much, with what money? Well, at first, I came here with almost no money in my pocket(18 years old) ,The BEAUTIFUL USA has given me an opportunity to study and become an expert Auto Technician without being socially judged as any less than other citizens (unlike in Iran & some European countries...). After working hard the first 10 years of my career for others & gaining a decent money, this country gave me an opportunity to open my own small business with $10,000.00 borrowed! With the right ambition, attitute, integrity, know how & a little hard work, I have made a nice & peaceful life for myself and happy to say that I can help few of my family & friends in case of emergency if they ever need me!
And the final and very gratifying experience, has been my sexual life here! God, I have had so many beautiful women from U.S. & all over the world, Right heere in Kalifornia... (as our Governor Arnold would say) :-)
Friendly words for my youngsters: Bottom line, Stay healthy (mind, body & soul), Make your choices wisely, take risks & be a man about it, win or lose... Think & stay positive... In conclusion, I would like to share with you (especially Younger Iranians) One of the best quotes I've read that is by Eckhart Tolle's (Practicing the Power of Now) : "Success & Faliure are both the same thing, The only thing that separets them is TIME..."
God bless You, Me, America, Iran & the rest of the world...

خلایق هر چه لا یق ی

بد بخت . تو دنیا کس خل مثل تو زیآده
تو هرچای دیگر هم میرفتی بازم گهی نمیشدی
خلایق هر چه لا یق ددمم

One Pubic Hair

One hair of a Dahaati is worth more than your entire life. Go to hell. Humanity is not your life, stupidity is what you have, you just realized it and it is too late for you, get ready for death ass hole. hahahahahaha I love losers like you. Stupid, what is your life? what have you done? hahaha. note to all the other ass holes who are at the end of their lives and still worship the ass holes who rule our politics. fuck you. dahaatis work, you shit dirt in to peoples lives...fuck you. go to hell and be the shit that you are, that's all you are and that's all you're worth

Ironically, I do have a friend.....

 Ironically, I do have a friend who does live in India and works doing those 1-800 calls for computer customer service. My friend is a very nice person and I would not like him to be unemployed. So you are correct globalization has its pro's and con's.

Natalia Nadia

Response to the Comments so Far ...

First of all, I apologize for using the word “Dahati”, that can be interpreted as a derogatory or a pejorative term, implying “peasant mentality”.  The Parisians in France, sometimes inadvertently, display a “superior air” when they refer to the people from provinces.  Even the US northerners (from Massachusetts or New York) do the same when they talk about the Southerners – wishing that the Bible Belt people in the south start reading a 2007 book by Richard Dawkins called “The God Delusion”.  But albeit, just as the 3 Scandinavians countries innocently make jokes about each other, I can also be forgiven for jokingly talking about Dahatis, without being judged as a mere snob or a racist who spouts ethnic slurs, belittling others, or being politically incorrect.

To: Sacha/Nadia:

It is tough to articulate the pros and cons of Globalization.  From one point of view, it is a good thing – as it tries to bring up the standard of living in poorer countries. From another point of view, it is causing a reduction in the standard of living of the more developed nations such as the US.  However, I agree with you that, in the meantime, the Capitalist/Corporatists are enjoying the “benefits” of a lower cost labor.  But, does it really bother you if your Dell’s customer-service person is sitting in India, answering your 1-800 call from the US?  Considering India’s GDP/Capita of $3,400 per year, she is making a good salary ($350 per month) as a Dell customer-service-- a reasonably well-paid job in India (without having to immigrate to the US).

To: Soheil Samouhi:

Right on.  If you have paid your taxes and max social security in the US for the past 40 years, no country in Europe, or Japan/Canada/Australia is going to accept you as an immigrant and pay you any retirement, simply because you have not paid into their system.  So, after 40 years of paying into the US tax system, you are stuck with a US Social Security that hardly pays for your diet of McDonald hamburgers, let alone your rent/mortgage, utilities, medicine, car repairs, clothing, insurance payments, and other basic necessities of life.  That is why I say, buyer be aware.  If you are in your 20s or 30s and plan to immigrate to the US and work your ass-off for 35-40 years, think about what you’ll get when you retire after 40 years of working in the US (assuming that, like some Iranians, you do not become a multi-millionaire during those 40 years -- from hard work or otherwise).  Note that for most people who work in the US, the “American Dream” turns into a “Living Nightmare” when they reach 65.

To: Javad Agha:

Right on.  Talking about privatization of American Seniors’ health care and security, and giving our tax money overtly to Blackwater and Halliburton , (let alone covertly diverting our tax dollars to defense contractors, the pharmaceuticals and oil companies) – you should read the 2007 book by Naomi Klein called “The Shock Doctrine”.  It shows how the Milton Friedman’s contemporary economic theory is being used by the Capitalist/Corporatists to suck the tax-payer’s money for the benefit of a few – at the cost of  turning the middle class US into White-Collar Sweatshop workers, and the American baby-boomers ending up in dumpsters when they reach retirement age.  Read the AARP publications at www.aarp.org  You’ll see how gloomy the future is for most American boomers who will soon be reaching their 60s.  Meanwhile, fast forward to “Socialist Western Europe”.   Compared to the US, they are looking for (and are getting) a decent retirement with dignity and integrity.

I'm DEFINITELY with you

I'm DEFINITELY with you "National DNA..."
I've had enough of this Aryan business too.
Who the hell cares!
People are people!
Probably more than half these aryans are themselves arabs, azari, torkaman......
Quit it people!

When I came to the US, just

When I came to the US, just divorced, with a small sum of money in my purse and little else but hope, I was not mistaken!
Although my cousin helped me sooo much and for a while gave me food and shelter, life was hard and everyday was a burden. Gradually as I grew stonger, forgave the jerk(ex) who cheated on me and tried to ruin my life big time, I started to be able to breathe a little easier and began to study and work at the same time!
I think I owe my adoptive country Gratitude on the basis of simply accepting me!
Giving ma a chance...
And that was at a time when I could no longer function properly and stand on my own two feet or work in my native country, my homeland.
I "Love" Iran, that is not the point, what i'm saying is at that time I(perhaps like many of you) wanted to be here and make a life for myself and I was given the opportunity. I do appreciate that.

NATIONAL DNA TESTING FOR IRANIANS

I am suggesting to launch a national Iranian DNA test. Why? Just so that we can see how many of all these "Aryans" are what they say they are. So, we don't have all this pointing fingers at Iranians, Arabs, Turks, etc. (The Persian Empire of Cyrus was great because it was multicultural, not because it was only Aryan) I think once everybody has the DNA test, all this pro Aryanism and Zoroastrian nostalgia will come to a blunt end and people will actually love Iran for what it is, not what they want it to be due to British divide and conquer tactics. FREE NATIONAL DNA TESTING FOR IRANIANS! COME AND JOIN THE MOVEMENT TODAY!

You got trapped !

My friend,
This country is the land of taking risks.... just because you weren't willing to take any risks in your life and thought of yourself to have cushy corporate job, you like to blame corporations, Americans and your own race for what you didn't become. The entreprenuers that came here and started a business are the risk takers, hence any country you lived (whether in Iran, uptown or downtown, Europe or Africa) you would have become the same person you are today. At least in Iran, they put a hendooneh under your arm and say bahbah you're the son/daughter of so and so and they are polite enough not to say anything to you and you can live a life off your parents name. But here, nothing will hold you back from failing to take the risks you should have taken at the right time. I hope its still not late for you and you get to do what you want rather than chasing the carrot for the rest of your life. Better to go back to Iran than to stay here and chase the carrot.

Well put ...

Argument to your reasoning is that government shouldn't pay for everything and you have to work for every penny you get. To some extent I agree, but as another poster said, its amazing that many are working much much harder these days than lets say people did 30 - 40 yrs ago, BUT their living standards are much lower other people's 30 - 40 yrs ago. That's the sad part of it. The desire to work and work and work and to barely pay bills, is very surprising. What's amazing about most Europeans is how much more of a family environment they have. They work hard during working hours, which are around 7-8 hrs per day. While they also take long lunches to relax when they need to. With the mind at more of a relaxing state, I think everyone can work at a higher rate of productivity. Most middle-class here work just to live ... I'd say its better to live to work.