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The Story of Mohammad
16-Oct-2008
As it was customary among the wealthy Arabs of Mecca, the new born Mohammad was given to a Bedouin nanny to breast-feed him in her tribe’s campground outside the town. Zarrin Koob attributes that separation to the fact that Mecca was so filthy and decease-ridden at the time that most kids would have died, if they were kept there at an early age. So the prophet spent his first years among the Bedouin tribes and in the wild and fresh air of the desert.
Mohammad was very young when his father passed away and his custody (based on Semitic traditions) went to his grandfather, and upon his death, to his uncle. In the brutish city of Mecca, the orphaned Mohammad was treated roughly by the other kids who were better off, and was constantly reminded of his poverty and loneliness. Nevertheless, he grew up to be a hardworking, honest and thoughtful young man, very employable in the service of the Mecca traders.
Back then, the Roman trade with Far East (mostly India) had been disrupted by the century old Persian-Roman wars. Therefore, some of that trade was rechanneled through Yemen, Mecca and Syria. It was a lucrative operation for the Arab warlords who would organize and protect the safe passage of the caravans to the East Roman Empire (Byzantine).
Mohammad worked for nearly a decade in the Roman trade route and became very familiar with both the Christian and the Jewish traditions of the Near East. As an intelligent young man, although illiterate, he absorbed most of the biblical stories, which put his life in a much more appealing prospective. He found solace in the hardship stories of Job and Moses, but perhaps was most influenced by Abraham, a Semitic prophet who recanted his own town and traditions, to build a new Utopia and create a new way of life.
At the age of 40, after marrying a wealthy business woman, Mohammad found some spare time to contemplate his past and future, his beliefs and doubts. Like some other contemporary mystics of Mecca, he started frequenting the caves outside town, fasting and praying to the god for guidance. He finally claimed that an angle of god had spoken to him, and had read him a book (Koran) which would put the affairs of all mankind, including the Arabs, the Jews, the Persians and the Christians, in order!
That message was first tried on his wife and close relatives, with partial success. A handful of them accepted that the honest Mohammad was not lying, and that the incredible verses he was reciting were miraculous and could not be the work of an illiterate man. Soon, the prophet said that god had asked him to openly summon all the people of Mecca to the new faith. But the tough and cynical men of Mecca laughed at Mohammad’s calls to brotherhood, monotheism and observance of what seemed like the Jewish rituals. Even the Jewish rabbis criticized his inadequate knowledge of the biblical traditions and mistakes in reciting their stories as part of a new testament.
The laughter and the criticism made Mohammad upset and angry enough, to start confronting the prominent townspeople with daily repudiation of their barbaric manners. In response, the Mecca nobility boycotted his business, openly disowned him and even encouraged the street kids to ridicule and stone him. Poor and desperate, the prophet then concentrated his message towards the disadvantaged of Mecca, the deprived and the slaves. He not only promised them freedom and hope, but also the Abraham god’s pledge that ‘the meek would inherit the earth’!
When the Mecca upper class was confronted with the specter of a slave uprising, they killed some of the rebellious poor, confiscated Muslims’ properties and banished Mohammad and his followers to the outskirts of the city. Pained and worried that the fickle flame of his calling would die in such hardship, Mohammad sent messengers far and wide. The people of Yathrib (later called the Medina or city of prophet) gave him refuge, and became his base to fight the aristocracy of Mecca.
From his base in Medina, Mohammad encouraged and organized his followers to revenge on the Meccans, who had earlier confiscated their belongings. This started years of looting of the Mecca caravans that had to pass Medina on route to Syria, and back. In reply, the Mecca warlords organized much bigger trade missions that could be guarded more effectively. This in turn encouraged the now militaristically organized Muslims to engage in open combat with the Meccans who were accompanied by large sums of money and goods.
The rich and powerful of Mecca lost their first famed battle (Badr) to the Muslims, because they had grossly underestimated the ragtag party of Mohammad. The true strength of Mohammad’s faith was the open-door policy and merit-based hierarchy. If you wanted in, well, you were in, without any tribal or racial barriers. And if you were any good, you could get command, without prejudice and bias. In addition, most of the followers ‘had nothing to lose but their chains’ (as Karl Marx rediscovered later), and had a lot to gain by attacking and defeating the pampered, pompous and disorganized aristocracy.
His first relatively easy victories made Mohammad both jubilant and gracious. He would be forgiving even towards his tormenters (the Mecca rich) and his ridiculers (the Jewish tribes). However, soon the opposition woke up under the leadership of Mohammad’s own grandfather tribe (Ghoraish), and organized successful campaigns (like Uhud) against the Muslims. Many of Mohammad’s family and friends were killed, and he was himself injured.
But neither the bloody defeat of Uhud, nor the subsequent siege of Medina (war of Khandagh) could break the back of Mohammad’s uprising. In the face of diminished loots and proceeds of war, the prophet promised eternal heaven to his battle-wary followers, where ‘streams of milk and honey’ would quench their thirst and ‘flocks of young virgins’ would satisfy their desires. At a more practical level, Mohammad resorted to such Persian-Roman war veterans like Salomon the Farsi, who taught the latest war techniques to Muslims. He also started a campaign of intimidation against all the Ghoraish allies, including the neighboring Jewish tribes, starting with the threat of force and concluding with their massacre and total annihilation.
Against the undefeated rich and powerful of Mecca, Mohammad the war-strategist concluded a balanced peace treaty, which among other things, allowed him and his followers to visit Mecca and its famed cubic temple once a year during the pilgrimage. The cubic temple of Mecca (Kaaba) was a traditional holy site for the idolater Arabs, where each tribe used to keep its god’s symbol (idol) for protection, and then visit it once a year. The annual pilgrimage was supposed to be a time of peace, and the tribesmen were only allowed to enter Mecca without their weapons.
Initially, Mohammad had forfeited the holiness of Mecca and Kaaba, in favor of the Jewish holy town of Jerusalem. However, in face of bitter struggles with the neighboring Jewish tribes, and in order to gain favors with the Arab tribes who worshiped Kaaba, Mohammad changed the Muslim point of prayer. Then next year, the Muslims returned to Mecca for pilgrimage and show-of-force, chanting: ‘no god but Allah’. However, they did not otherwise force the issue on the Meccans. Allah being one of the chief existing gods in Kaaba, the message started to sink in.
The simple unifying message of ‘no god but Allah’ appealed to the disjointed Arab tribes who could finally see a chance for unity and nationhood. The most powerful of them appealed to Mohammad to also accept the legitimacy and holiness of four highly regarded idols in the Kaaba, as a precondition for them to join the Muslims. Upon reflection, Mohammad accepted and uttered verses which praised the four idols of Kaaba as holy and legitimate. However, the next day, he changed heart and recanted that acceptance as the Satanic Verses, which apparently the devil had whispered into his ears!
Next year, during the pilgrimage to Mecca, Mohammad summoned 10,000 armed Muslims to converge on the city. He reneged on the peace treaty and gave two options to the Meccans, Islam (submission) or war! However, when the rich and powerful of Mecca submitted, Mohammad was again gracious and allowed them full amnesty, and even notable positions in his armed forces and governmental organization. There and then, the prophet’s journey from revolutionary to sovereign was complete!
Reading Mohammad’s life, one can find so many similarities between him and the other revolutionaries, who tried to change the world but world, changed them. Mohammad being an actual person (unlike such mythical characters like Moses and Jesus with no direct historical confirmation), is so real and flesh-and-blood that we can easily see his similarities with many other revolutionaries everywhere and even down to our own time (Cromwell, Robespierre, Lenin, Mao and even Khomeini).
At the end, no story is luscious without a bit of rumor. In Islamic tradition, it is known that the first wife of Mohammad (Khadijeh) was the first Muslim believer, and that the prophet did not marry anyone else (although Khadijeh was 15 years his senior) as long as she was living. Apparently, it was Khadijeh who proposed marriage (so 21st century) to the then shy Mohammad (a 25 year-old bachelor in her employment). It is also reported that Khadijeh was of a monotheistic family (Hanifian), who are rumored to have been Jewish. Now, based on most Jewish traditions, even if a person born into the faith recants Judaism, they are still considered a Jew. More interestingly, Jewish lineage is a maternal one, going from mothers to offspring. Therefore, deliciously enough, that can make Khadijeh, her daughter Fatima and even her grandson Hossein, all Jewish! Not that there is anything wrong with it!
Reference
The 23 years of prophecy, by Prof. Ali Dashti, temporarily posted at the link below.
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LIZ
by Mammad on Sun Oct 19, 2008 08:45 AM PDTIt is not for no reason, when I say you are not in my league. First learn - if you are capable of such - the difference between a chemist and a chemical engineer, then use it in your "arsenal" against me!! When you were spying on me, did you not learn the difference?
Your imbecility is simply astonishing to me. It seems like you just do not learn anything.
Mammad
I have more respect for the kinds of Mammad
by samsam1111 on Sun Oct 19, 2008 07:33 AM PDTSince they state their agenda & Ommatist ideology transparently & with admirable relative honesty , unlike , some Amateur distortionists , disguised as historians who promote their biased ,ethnic , ommatist propaganda & anti-old Iran rant , under the guise of factual secular research & without stating their back ground , credentials & tilt in the introduction section.
I happily and proudly admit that it was us V-ranians that reinvented Islam.
& silly me, all along , I thought the word of God is all complete & no improvement is needed. What hapened to Towhid & Ossul-o Din . Reinvention in the form of Paganist Shia which worship anything that moves, including Imam Hussien horse saint Zualjana . Is Zulajana in heaven now? . Is he the 13th Imam?
Mohammad, The Warmonger and The Opportunist!
by Anonymous... (not verified) on Sun Oct 19, 2008 07:21 AM PDTProphetical Traits of Muhammad which proved that he was the greatest blessing to Mankind [All Islamic Sources]
Muhammad, The Ultimate Warlord
Sahih Muslim Book 020, Number 4518:
It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Holy prophet said: Whoso obeys me obeys God, and whoso disobeys me disobeys God. Whoso obeys the commander (appointed by me) obeys me, and whoso disobeys the commander disobeys me.
"Roughly speaking, the Prophet launched 80 campaigns during the ten years from his migration in A.D. 622 to his death in A.D. 632. . . . ." source "The early Muslims fought many battles against their enemies under the leadership of the Prophet Muhammad or his representatives." source
Muhammad, The Polygamist
Sahih Bukhari Vol. 1, Book 5, No. 268:
Narrated Qatada: Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven).
Muhammad, The Pedophile
Sahih Bukahri Vo. 5, Book 58, No. 236: Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to
Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.
Muhammad, The Slave Owner
Sahih Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 91, No. 368: Narrated 'Umar:
I came and behold, Allah's Apostle was staying on a Mashroba (attic room) and a black slave of Allah's Apostle was at the top if its stairs. I said to him, "(Tell the Prophet) that here is 'Umar bin Al-Khattab (asking for permission to enter)." Then he admitted me.
Muhammad, The Slaver
Sahih Muslim Book 010, No. 3901:
Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported: There came a slave and pledg- ed allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man)
Muhammad, The Executioner
Sahih Bukhari Vol. 8, Book 82, No. 795: Narrated Anas:
The Prophet cut off the hands and feet of the men belonging to the tribe of 'Uraina and did not cauterise (their bleeding limbs) till they died.
Muhammad, The Superstitious
Sahih Muslim Book 004, No. 1032: Abu Dharr reported:
The Messenger of 'Allah (may peace be upon him) said: When any one of you stands for prayer and there is a thing before him equal to
the back of the saddle that covers him and in case there is not before him (a thing) equal to the back of the saddle, his prayer would be cut off by (passing of an) ass, woman, and black Dog. I said: O Abu Dharr, what feature is there in a black dog which distinguish it from the red dog and the yellow dog? He said: O, son of my brother, I asked the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) as you are asking me, and he said: The black dog is a devil.
Muhammad, The Control Freak
Sahih Bukhari Vol. 4, Book 56, No. 668: Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Jews and the Christians do not dye (their grey hair), so you shall do the opposite of what they do (i.e. dye your grey hair and beards)."
Can someone tell me if these are traits of holy person who represents God??
Muhammad, The Schizoid
"Hallucinations and illusions are disturbances of perception that are common in people suffering from schizophrenia. Hallucinations are perceptions that occur without connection to an appropriate source. Although hallucinations can occur in any sensory form –– auditory (sound), visual (sight), tactile (touch), gustatory (taste), and olfactory (smell) –– hearing voices that other people do not hear is the most common type of hallucination in schizophrenia." . . . . source
Sahih Muslim Book 030, Number 5654: Jabir b. Samura reported Allah's
Messenger as saying: I recognise the stone in Mecca which used to pay me salutations before my advent as a Prophet and I recognise that even now.
Muhammad, The Caravan Raider
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 67, Number 402:
Narrated Jabir: The Prophet sent us as an army unit of three hundred warriors under the command of Abu 'Ubaida to ambush
a caravan of the Quraish. But we were struck with such severe hunger that we ate the Khabt (desert bushes), so our army was called the Army of the Khabt. Then the sea threw a huge fish called Al-'Anbar and we ate of it for half a month and rubbed our bodies with its fat till our bodies became healthy. Then Abu Ubaida took one of its ribs and fixed it over the ground and a rider passed underneath it. There was a man amongst us who slaughtered three camels when hunger became severe, and he slaughtered three more, but after that Abu 'Ubaida forbade him to do so. P.S. All verses came from here:
//www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith... //www.faithfreedom.org/debates.htm Wassalam
opportunist statesman like Khomeini
by Arash Kamangir (not verified) on Sun Oct 19, 2008 04:11 AM PDTDashti very shrewdly lays out and describes Muhammads life and at the end he leaves it to the reader to judge himself. To me Muhammad appeared very much like Khomeini whose aim was to form an islamic state and nothing more. I get put off of Muhammad because he does not show much piosity and love in his idealogy. Unlike jesus who rejects Sword Muhammad uses military force to prevail others and is prepared to kill to rule. For me this cannot be the way to approach God.
hypocrites
by behmanchea on Sun Oct 19, 2008 03:58 AM PDTMammad, do not waste your energy on these hypocrites.
About the hypocrites
سراسیمه و پریشا آمدی به خانه باستان تو
با این نگارپرده بسته ولی پدیدار چهره تو
از گپ تو دانم که حقیر اندک تو
تلخ نگاه من بر تیره روان تو
رفتی دست دراز و پرستاره درازدسان تو
از این خاک به آن خاک بازبیگانه رو تو
مرا بگو آی سرگردان تو از سرزمین کی ستی تو
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با مایی و ما را نی جانی از آن پیدا نیهی تو
دانم که از ما نهی بر گو از آنه کی ستی تو
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Haji chemist
by Fred on Sun Oct 19, 2008 02:54 AM PDTWhenever done with your Islamist temper tantrum go ahead and answer the question of where do you get the 25/75% ratio that already another likeminded of yours is using? And the question about the reformability of your Islamist regime in light of your 25/75 thingy is still pending. As is your unsubstantiated accusation that I’m anti-Islam rather than being anti-Islamist knowing fully well that one carries a death sentence. BTW neither your acting up nor disguised threat scare me, courtesy of American freedom I am fully immunized against such Islamist tactics.
Anonymous Reza
by Mammad on Sun Oct 19, 2008 01:19 AM PDT(1) Why is it important whether I am the person that was recognized by that person? Is my precise identity important or what I think?
(2) No, I do not try to find solution to every problem in Quran, although even if I did that, I would be no worse than Orthodox Jews or Christian fundamentalists who do the same with their holy books.
I am a "mohtaat," meaning I have reached that level of knowledge that I can decide for myself. So, except for a few number of things in Islam that I cannot disbelieve - like believing in God, the Prophecy of the Prphet, the Judgement day (that is, the primary teachings, or Ahkaam-e Avvaliyeh, of Islam), I can decide how to act and what to about the secondary teachings (Ahkaam-e Saanaviyeh).
(3) What are you talking about? The article is about Islam and the Prophet. Some people have used the opportunity to stage some of the most vicious attacks on Islam and the Prophet; just read what these people are saying. All of that is ok with you, but if I express my opinion about Islam, I am somehow doing something wrong? I do not get your rationale here.
Reza jaan: My eyes are as open as anyone's can be.
Mammad
Irandokht in Freefall
by Ashley (not verified) on Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:49 AM PDTThe minute you start supporting NIAC lobbyist group, you are not reprenting Iran and especially iranian women any more. You turn into so-despectively-called-by-zealots-and-other-idiots-secularists. Now, you duck to support an islamist to defend its cult. Does Mammad need your pat on his shoulder to whitewash the blood of millions of "infidels" on their shoulders.
you and your lobbying group are engaged in a fight for the curbing of real Knowledge and Human Rightsin Iran.
The problem with Mammad and his camp is not going to be solved with your encouragement, such people must firstly answer to the crimes their cult committed, crimes against humanity and presently against our people.
If some people, including the one for people like you, believe in any metaphysical, esoterical or religious fantasy, you are free, but from the day you beleive in Jihad fi sabillah you join the camp of murderers.
IRANdokht jaan
by Mammad on Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:48 AM PDTThank you. You are much wiser than I am.
The problem with this bunch is that, if I do not respond, they do not leave me alone. They come back with a more vicious attack and, on top of that, claim that I have no response.
I have said this many times and say it again: The problem that this bunch has with me is that, I am a Muslim that says that religion is a private matter; that we need a democratic secular republic; that there is no contradiction between being democratic and being a practicing Muslim, etc. Islam and Muslims are not going anywhere. They are here to stay. Anybody who thinks otherwise is fooling himself/herself. So, instead of supporting a Muslim with my type of thinking, they attack me.
The other problem that this bunch has with me is that, they cannot sell their nonsense to me. At the same time, they just cannot tolerate a Muslim who is well-informed, writes with total conviction and with honesty, even though he has been the subject of the most vicious attacks on this site. If I am called all sorts of names by the guy whom I refer to as LIZ, it is no problem. But, if I start doing the same to him, I immediately become an anti-semite! You see how the mentality of this bunch works?
These virtues that I, a practicing Muslim, exhibit destroy the stereotype that this bunch has made of a practicing Muslim. That is the crux of the issue they have with me.
Mammad
Prejudice & bias, or just an another angry anti-Iranian?
by Anonymous against extremists (not verified) on Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:42 AM PDTFrom one of Arash Monzavi-Kia's replies here: "I actually do not place much value on either Zoroastrianism or Islam, as viable religions or ideologies for the modern world, but would like to make sure that the youth are equally aware of both the 'Aryan' and the 'Arabic' biases and bluffs".
Finally, very telling.
So ONLY the "Arabic" & "Aryan" have "biases" and are not "viable religions and ideologies" for "the modern world"? Which religion and ideology (or religions & ideologies) have your preferred stamp of approval for the future modern world?
Despite all your efforts, you are much more transparent than you think.
Behmanchea
by Mammad on Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:32 AM PDTThank you. It is exactly what I think.
Iranians became Muslim when Iran was invaded by Arabs 1300 years ago, either by force or voluntarily. But, they not only preserved their culture, history, etc., but also taught the invaders so many things. As a practicing Muslim, I happily and proudly admit that it was us Iranians that reinvented Islam.
Mammad
Zion
by Mammad on Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:21 AM PDTSir:
I have told your compatriot many times that he can criticize me as much as he wants, provided that, (1) he does it politely, and (2) he stops calling me names. He has done neither. Not only he viciously attacks me, but also has called me all sorts of names: Haji (with a racist implication, as I explained to everybody on this site), Mashdi, traitor, charlatan, Dr. Nuke, etc.
The absolutely minimum level of civility is to call the person whom you supposedly want to debate the way he wants to be called. He has refused to do it. Not only that, he has consistently bragged about all the information that he supposedly has about me, as if I have something to hide. No, I do not have anything to hide. Do I have to be here in this page, to be abused by you, him, and others (see below). No, absolutely not. When I publish articles with my full name, what is it that I am hiding?
For a long time, I was totally patient with him. But, now, since he has continued his behavior towards me, and because I am sick and tired of this, I have decided to do the same. I will refer to him as LIZ, until he starts calling me Mammad. As soon as he starts doing that, I will stop calling him LIZ. What is wrong with this, Mr. reasonable?
I do not give a hoot to whether you believe what I said about using LIZ to refer to him. I know what I have in mind, and it has nothing to do with what you say. None, whatsoever. Don't believe it? Don't.
As for being anti-semite: You are free to think what you want. I know I am not an anti-semite. I have many Jewish scientist friends with total respect for them, even if I disagree with their political positions. Recently, I edited a big part of an important encyclopedia, for which I had to invite people to write various articles for that part. Four of the people whom I invited are Jews living in Israel, one a completely Orthodox one, and two others are Jews living in the U.S. You can hardly find any Muslim like me with this attitude.
I have no problem with Jewish people - none whatsoever. I grew up with one of the nicest Jewish boys in Tehran, and he was my friend all the way to Tehran University. I am a strong critique of Israel's policy towards Palestinians, and I have never ever hidden it. But, I do not have any problem with the state of Israel, if it retreats to pre-1967 war borders, or any other agreement with Palestinian that is acceptable to Palestinians. I am not more Palestinian than Palestinians, the way the IRI is.
You do not believe it? Do not. You are free to think what you want.
Mammad
Dear Mammad
by IRANdokht on Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:20 AM PDTFor the life of me I cannot understand why you even bother... I don't think anyone can possibly match your level of civility when confronted with such a harrassing bunch.
It never fails! Whenever you choose to express your opinion, the same crowd flies in and keeps interrogating and accusing you. How many times will you have to explain how a liberal is different than a marxist? Why do you have to reveal your credentials to people who are hiding themselves?
You're just too patient. More power to you!
Best regards,
IRANdokht
PS: sorry Arash, I know this comment had nothing to do with your article and I apologize.
Yes, actually it does
by Zion on Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:54 PM PDTIt does make you an anti-semite and a misogynist. Two of the main traits of an Islamist. Liz is an abbreviation? Sure, and you didn't have the pun to the female name in mind at all? right!
(And no, Fred had not labeled you anything you did not already admit to yourself, and challenging the rubbish you post is not spying my dear. However I don't expect a typical Islamist thug to miss any excuse he can find to act as an Islamist thug has to act. )
Help Muslims to Fight Islam
by Ashley (not verified) on Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:45 PM PDTI beg most IRI's devotees, Muslim or secular alike, read this thread, but prefer not to take their pen to defend their own religion or their beloved IRI's ideology--they let Mammad alone in his defencive arena.
They cannot compair evil with evil or Islam with its political new version. I learned that from the examples pour Mammad roughly inserted we can better fight Islam because our multi talent pundit dodge to even answer the crutial quetions.
But no need for bullets or putting innocent Muslims who happen to be born under Islamic ruling countries, where they have been brainwashed or forced to be muslims. And Islam unfairly became a part of their daily life and values.
What we must do is expose the truth, the real face and moraliy of Islam by all kinds of modern method: education, books, movies, computer software, websites, etc. The message must be clear, easy to understand, and not bashing Muslims but their infested cult.
Humans are rational for the most part. Most Iranian Muslims are already leaving this evil cult in droves, but we need more exposure. Many are becoming Muslims because are accidently born under such IRI's brainwashers. Some may opportunistically or pathologically beleive / convert in Islam (iroicaly, most of those idiots are women!Because these lunatic lost souls are looking for a new sense of life).
Still, a number of Iranians, IRI's secular lobbyists aside, do not know what true Islam and its history is. Those are the real victims of their own unawareness and of course useful crowd of Mullahs'regime. We have to help them to get out of their miser.
Anonymous wow
by Mammad on Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:36 PM PDTThank you. You put it well. At least I have the courage to freely express my beliefs and opinion, and be abused by you.
Mammad
Zion
by Mammad on Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:33 PM PDTNo, LIZ is an abbreviation. It has no gender implication, although the fact that your compatriot has been spying on me and bragging about it tells me a lot.
Your compatriot has called me lots of things. That has unnerved you? What is the problem? I cannot do the same? Oh, I see! You are, as usual, above criticism. Everything is acceptable for you and your compatriots, but not for others. Why? Because if we do criticize, we are anti-semite, right?
The rest of your comment is not worth responding to. I won't fall into such silly traps.
Mammad
LIZ
by Mammad on Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:25 PM PDTYou are going back to your original form! But, I am not surprised. I call you LIZ for a reason!
Since you are such a good spy and know everything about me, then, why are you so surprised? That is who I am.
No, you are not in my league. Put it anyway you want, skew it anyway you want. You just are not. You have never uttered one meaningful sentence on this page.
I am still waiting for the track record of my "challenger."
Mammad
Such lovely mentalities
by Zion on Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:20 PM PDTArash,
'Funny enough those same characters embrace their rotten ancient prophets and kings like eternal gems. '
You are being a naughty boy, aren't you?
Mammad,
Calling Fred, Liz is supposed to be an insult, since Fred is a male and Liz a female name? I suppose that is the way intellectualized islamist thug thinks about gender roles.
When it comes to you, it is genetic. You have an amazing "talent" for showing your true colour.
We know what that means, what you are alluding too mein Herrn, don't we? You are being naughty too, eh? What is happening? Is it truth serum for Islamists day by nay chance?
Anonymous Observer,
LOL. Well, no one's perfect. ;-)
Questions?
by Mammad on Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:57 PM PDTDid I ever say that my opinion is superior over anyone else's? What the heck you are talking about? I am entitled to my opinion. Reject it if you wish. I do not give a hoot.
How many political commentators do you know in the U.S. who have a Ph.D. in political science? Zero, none, zilch. I have never heard this absurd argument.
I have a track record: My articles have been published by some of the most important newspapers and websites in the U.S., and they continue to publish them. That is a track record. I must be doing something right, otherwise, they will not keep publishing my articles. Where is yours?
I am not an Islamic Marxist. There is no such thing as Islamic Marxism. Did you read what I said, or you just know who I am? I said I am a social democrat - a leftist. That is a far cry from being a Marxist, although even if I were, I would have said it explicitly. I am not afraid of expressing my beliefs. If you do not know the difference between a social democrat and a Marxist, you are not qualified to interrogate me about it.
Why the hell does it matter that my university knows that I am, or was, a follower of Dr. Ali Shariati? Why don't you let them know? Go ahead. There are spies on this site like LIZ. Ask him/her to tell you where I work. Then, contact my university and tell them.
I told you where I publish my articles. Search for them, make an educated guess who I am, and you will find them. Or ask the well-known spy, LIZ.
I did not ask your opinion whether I should stick to oil or write about politics. When I did, you give me your opinion. Until then, do not volunteer your opinion about what I should or should not do.
It is amazing. You allow yourself to interrogate me. You allow yourself to pass judgement on what I know or do not know, and you tell me what to do. Even universe, as vast as it is, is finite, but your absurdity, not to mention your arrogance, is infinite.
If your interrogation finished, democracy lover? Or is democracy good so long as I agree with you?
Mammad
Islam is bankrupt in Iran and for Iranians. Iran and Iranians
by Fact (not verified) on Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:09 PM PDTare faced with what next as alternative. This process is underway.
Verses of killing
by EzRaEl (not verified) on Sat Oct 18, 2008 07:47 PM PDTOh yeah, Khomeini was a true Persian warrior. Made a lot of work for me!
Yes, you Iranians love true warriors who kill people like there is no tomorrow; like Shah, Agha Muhamad khan, king Nadir, shah Abbas, king Esmael, king Timur, king this, shah that ...
Can't you people quench your thirst with something other than blood? May I suggest some cold sherbet or coke?
Anyhow, as said before, I am really busy right now with all the dead and dying of different wars, famines and AIDS. Be a sport and learn to solve your problems peacefully, or be ready to be labeled a bunch of crazies from the crazy land of Middle East.
Infernally yours,
EzRaEl
However, Nasr is overly
by Anonymous... (not verified) on Sat Oct 18, 2008 07:12 PM PDTHowever, Nasr is overly sympathetic to the Shia and paints them as a model minority that is tolerant and non-violent while constantly being persecuted at the hands of over zealous Sunnis. In doing so Nasr ignores the violence that has taken place at the hands of Shia groups, especially Sadr’s Mahdi Army. Additionally, in order to make the text accessible to a western audience Nasr draws many parallels with events in the Christian world. While one or two parallels, such as equating the Sunni-Shia conflict with the Protestant-Catholic conflict in Northern Ireland, helps the audience understand the nature of the conflict, Nasr takes these comparisons too far. Every chapter is replete with Islamic-Christian parallels, including a comparison between Imam Husayn and Jesus Christ, and between the Jamkaran Mosque outside of Qom to the shrine of Fatima in Portugal. These constant comparisons prevent the reader from examining Shia Islam and the Sunni-Shia conflict as distinct phenomena, and instead place them into a western framework that does not do them justice. Finally, while Nasr extensively discusses the complexity and pluralistic nature of Islam at the beginning of his book, he fails to implement this framework when talking about the Sunni-Shia conflict. He essentializes the conflict as one between Twelver Shias backed by Iran and Salafist Wahabi extremists supported by Saudi Arabia. As such, he ignores the millions of Sunnis and Shias who do not fall into either category. Nevertheless, Nasr’s book is a valiant attempt to address an important and widely ignored conflict that will continue to play a significant role in the future of the Middle East. Hulon, Everett and Davis should all read this book and take it into consideration when making future policy to fight the “war on terror.”
//cmes.hmdc.harvard.edu/node/686
The verses of killing!
by Ajam (not verified) on Sat Oct 18, 2008 06:51 PM PDTAt the end of the Battle of Trenches, Mohammed decided to punish the Bani Quraizah tribe (a jewish tribe with whome he had a defence treaty and breached the trety during the said war) to make an example of those who reneg on their obligations. He appointed Ali as the commander of the troops to avenge Bani Quraizah's betrayal. Although having surrendered, all the men in the tribe were beheaded (boys were examined for pubic hair, the ones with the pubes were considered men and slaughtered) and the rest (women and children) were enslaved and sold on slave market. According to Mohammed himself, Gabriel the angel dscended from heaven and conveyed the order for Bani Quraizah's devine punishment!
A dozen or so centuries later, Khomeini followed Mohammed's example and ordered the execution of thousands of political prisoners at the end of the Iraq/Iran war. In response to those (specifically Ayatollah Montazeri) who objected to the salughter, he cited Mohammed and Ali's mercilessness in wars with the enemies of Islam as a paradigm for dealing with the enemies of Islam.
Here is Khomeini's speech about "the killing verses" of Koran on the occasion of Mohammed's birthday in 1988:
The real Day of God is the day that Amir al mo'menin
drew his sword and slaughtered all the khavarej
and killed them from the first to the last.
The Days of God are when Allah, the gracious, the
almighty, causes an earthquake.
It is when He slaps on the face.
It is when he causes a hurricane.
He whips this people to become humans.
If the Amir al mo'menin wanted to be tolerant, he
would not have drawn his sword killing 700 people in
one go
In our prisons we have more of the same kind of people
who are corrupt.
If we do not kill them, each one of them that gets
out, will become a murderer!
They don't become humans.
Why do you Mullahs only go after the ordinances of
prayer and fasting?
Why do you only read the Quranic verses of mercy and
do not read the verses of killing?
Quran says; kill, imprison!
Why are you only clinging to the part that talks about
mercy?
Mercy is against God.
Mehrab means the place of war, the place of
fighting.
Out of the mehrabs, wars should proceed,
Just as all the wars of Islam used to proceeded out of
the mehrabs.
The prophet has [had] sword to kill people..
Our [Holy] Imams were quite military men.
All of them were warriors.
They used to wield swords; they used to kill people.
We need a Khalifa who would chop hands, cut throat,
stone people
In the same way that the messenger of God used to chop
hands, cut throats, and stone people.
In the same way that he massacred the Jews of Bani
Qurayza because they were a bunch of discontent
people.
If the Prophet used to order to burn a house or
exterminate a tribe that was justice.
The lives of people must be secured through
punishment.
Because, the protection of the masses lies beneath
these very punitive executions.
With just a few years of imprisonment things don't get
fixed.
You must put aside these childish sentimentalism.
We believe that the accused essentially does not have
to be tried. He or she must just be killed.
Only their identity is to be established and then they
should be killed.
(Khomeini, summer of 1998)
Here is a reference to the Bani Quraizah event from the Islamic site, Mussalla:
The Muslims laid siege to the Bani Quraizah’s quarters with many short skirmishes taking place. Bani Quraizah considered the options available to them and decided to speak to some of the Muslims who had maintained good relationship with them in the past. Bani Quraizah invited Abu Lubaba to their quarters and put on a display of despair. The crying and mourning of the people moved Abu Lubaba so when Bani Quraizah asked him what would happen to them, he pointed to his throat. This signalled that they would be killed in this ensuing battle and its aftermath.
Abu Lubaba immediately realised his mistake and went to the Prophet’s mosque. He tied himself to the wooden post and refused to leave until Allah forgave him for his mistake of leaking information. He remained there for a few days and would only be untied by his wife for prayers and eating food.
The siege had lasted for a few days now and Bani Quraizah were very worried about the possible outcome. They considered all the options available to them. They considered killing all their women and children so that they had nothing to live for. Then they would fight to the death. They also thought about launching a surprise attack on the Saturday, which was normally a day that Jews would not fight. They also considered becoming Muslims so that they could be freed from their previous sins.
They were indecisive so they spoke to the Muslims and asked for a truce.They wanted someone to be judge between the two parties in this situation.Sa’d bin Muadh was proposed and both sides accepted him as judge.
After considering the situation, he judged that Bani Quraizah should be put to death for their treachery and double-crossing during the battle of the trenches. All the men should be put to death and the women and children should be sold into slavery. This command was carried out and Bani Quraizah no longer remained a part of Madina. The women and children were sold into slavery, which was the final end to the whole incident. The Muslims then finally rested after these hectic and testing weeks of battle.
After Bani Quraizah affair, an important chapter was closed in the history of Islam. Many people who had created problems and friction within Madina were finally banished.
Here is a Wilipedia's entry on Bani Quraizah:
In 627, when the Quraysh and their allies besieged the city in the Battle of the Trench, the Banu Qurayza entered into (eventually inconclusive) negotiations with the besiegers.[8] Subsequently, the tribe was charged with treason and besieged by the Muslims commanded by Muhammad.[9][10] The Banu Qurayza eventually surrendered and all the men, apart from a few who converted to Islam, were beheaded, while the women and children were enslaved.[9][10][11][12][9][10
I don't see your phD on
by questions? (not verified) on Sat Oct 18, 2008 06:10 PM PDTI don't see your phD on Iranian/Middle Eastern Studies, Political Science, or comparative religions.
Mammad: You might be a great chemical engineer and even a pioneer in your field; however, it doesn't make you an expert on Iran or religion.
Yes, you're entitled to your opinion colored by your Islamists Marxist background but it doesn't mean that you have no bias or you're a credible authority/scholar on all things Iranian.
Does the Dean of your university know that you're a follower of Shariati???
Stick to oil and don't pretend that you know more than the rest of us about Iran.
p.s. Where can we find your research projects and essays regarding Iran's history, socio-politics, or Islamic studies???
behmanchea: Only in your
by context (not verified) on Sat Oct 18, 2008 05:55 PM PDTbehmanchea:
Only in your dreams...
Shia is a manufactured and bogus ideology founded on a sand castle. The foundation of Shia religion was based on evil treachery, blood lust,power grab, and perversion of morality. With a foundation like that, it is only a matter of time that it would self-destruct.
Islam came to Iran and Iran has conquered Islam
by behmanchea on Sat Oct 18, 2008 05:53 PM PDTIslam came to Iran and Iran has conquered Islam.
The people at //israelproject.com/ seem to think so. This is the only place where I have seen map of Middle East in color highlighting the Shiia regions.
Islam definitely has many dogmas and hang-ups especially when it comes to the women rights etc. But we Iranians have re-invented Islam to fit our temperament and will continue to reinvent it.
Islam is our ticket to the future and it is not necessarily IRANS/our future!
THANK you Arash.
I have all the answers.
by Anonymous Reza Khan (not verified) on Sat Oct 18, 2008 05:20 PM PDTYou wanna know who moham-mad was and who ali was and who 14 Masoom were, look at khomeini and his supporters and the rest of islamic gangsters and you will find all the answers in their ugly faces and their criminal behaviour. Listen to those who know best about islam and who practice islam according to guidance from moham-mad: the ayatollahs: likes of khomeini, rafsanjani, khamenei, and other like criminals who have been occupying iran for the past 30 years. That is the true islam whether one likes it or not.
Haji nuke
by Fred on Sat Oct 18, 2008 05:05 PM PDTAs an Islamist that you are, I do agree with you I am not in your league. But if you think you can just say what you like without being challenged or when challenged throw an Islamist hissy fit and change the subject, you got to think again Haji.
WoW! Islamist from Fanni still thinks he has all the answers
by Anonymous wow! (not verified) on Sat Oct 18, 2008 04:39 PM PDTIf I were an islamist from Fanni Tehran Univ. who supported the dark revolution of 1979 and the disaster that we see today (war, murders, thievery, rapes, oppression, etc.) I would be so ashamed, so apologistic to people of iran, and so convinced of my wrong-doings and lack of knowledge and understanding of anything islamic that I would hide in a corner.
That is why islamists are so gutsy! They made the biggest mistake of iranian history; they sold and sacrificed iran for islam and they don't even care. Treason!