DEBATE

Smart bombs

Smart bombs are just as smart as the people who use them or propose using them.

Mansours do NOT represent monarchists!

The moment I read this line, "Even we monarchists," I knew this was blatant IRI propaganda, designed to discredit the oppostion, specially the "monarchists," (evidently, these days with the MKO crushed in Camp Ashraf, Reza Pahlavi is the biggest threat to their masters in Tehran).

I agree with the premise of this article, in that the mullahs will not go away without a bloody fight, but the fighting must be done by Iranians. The mullahs are prepared to kill millions (as they already have killed over a million since 1979) in order to stay in power, so we need to militarize ourselves. 

If we truly want our country back we have to take the fight to the mullahs before foreigners, desperate to stop an Islamist nuke, get involved and bomb our country to Hell and back.

As Reza Pahlavi has said on numerous occasions in public, the West should empower the people of Iran so that they themselves get rid of the mullahs, and NOT bomb its nuclear facilites, as those resources belong to the people of Iran and should not be destroyed! I've heard him say this a dozen times!

No way !!!

What an insane idea and article!!!

No human being with an ounce of consciousness and decency can even agree to such an insane idea and worse support of bombing a country and kill her innocent civilians under any circumstances!!! Let alone a true Iranian for his/her own people and country!!!! No matter how much he or she hates this criminal I.R. regime...

However, as a human and an Iranian, I support a United Iranian Coalition to take the criminal I.R. leader, President and all its guilty officials who committed unforgivable crimes against humanity/Iranians to the "International Criminal Court" in Hague, Holland and issue an immidiate warrant for their arrests!!! No matter how SYMBOLIC this might seem at first, but it will pave the way for our collective mission to topple the EVIL I.R. Regime and bring democracy, Freedom and Independance to Iran and for Iranians!

Can we Iranians at least  do that for ourselves and our country through legal and international means and channels first???

Free Iran and Iranians.

PS. The I.R. agent's false lables on me here don't stick! I am an Iranian and I am in love with Iran and True Iranians... 

Try again you coward I.R. evils!

Backtracking Islamist II

Islamist liar

You are an Islamist liar for not showing where and when I advocated military attack on Iran that you say I do. "Anyone who supports military attacks on Iran - as you do - is anti-Iran"

You are an Islamist liar for not showing where and when I said anything against the religion of Islam and you keep issuing death fatwa by calling me “Anti-Islam”. "It is not just the fact that you have not said, ever, a single positive word about any Muslim - dead or alive - that makes you a rabid anti-Islam, but the fact that you miss no chance to demonize Muslims every chance you get."

You are an Islamist liar for saying “This AIPAC agent, who still pretends that his identity (and e-mail, and place of work, and home) is unknown” and now just gloss over it.

You are an Islamist liar for saying:” True, you live in a country where you can express your opinion in any way you want.” And yet wanted to ban this very article that you did not agree with by saying: “Finally, the most amazing thing is that, such pieces of garbage are allowed to be posted here on this site in the name of freedom of expression.”

You are an Islamist liar for advocating nuke for the Islamist Rapist republic and yet talk about Iran’s national interests. "“The crux of the issue about Iran's nuclear program is, in my opinion, as follows: If Iran has the ability to make the bomb on a short notice, it becomes unattackable. That is not something that the US and Israel can tolerate. They want to be the hegemone of the Middle East.” 

Your are a rabid Islamist in a country which does not allow you to do what the Islamist Rapist Republic does and that has frustrated you immensely. Here in this land of the free you've got to tolerate the opposition and also show the beef, it is in your Islamist Rapist Republic that your mere charging some one with whatever you like is sufficient proof and no one except the Islamists can talk.  It is with that mentality that you write your fallacy-ridden essays which have been challenged many times but as you do here you just gloss over the calls for proof.

Lastly if you think for a moment that you can mix your rabid Islamist ideology, a perverted totalitarian political ideology on a par with Pol Pot’s perversion with any religion be it Islam, Christianity, Judaism or whatever you got another think coming. Take care & Khodeti Haji!

Brelliant Idea Mansour!!!!!!!!

If you promise to go and live some where in Natanz so when your freedom fighter come, you be the first in line to see and taste it first hand.

Dom-e Khorous

It is not just the fact that you have not said, ever, a single positive word about any Muslim - dead or alive - that makes you a rabid anti-Islam, but the fact that you miss no chance to demonize Muslims every chance you get.

The very fact that you call me an Islamist liar goes to show this. Have you ever used "Jewish liar" or "Christian liar" or "Hindu liar?" No, you have not, at least not in this thread. Then, why do you call me an Islamist liar? Because this is who you are.

You are so disturbed minded that you have lost control of any iota of rationality that you might have. You have set aside all pretence. You cannot control yourself for even a moment, so that if you want to call me a liar but also demonstrate that you are not anti-Islam and anti-Muslim, not use Islamist. But, hey, nothing else is expected of you. You are who you are.

I have not backtracked from anything. It was only your sick atomic-size brain that lost control of your nerves. True, you live in a country where you can express your opinion in any way you want. But, by the same token and via the same freedom I also have the right to call you what you are: An anti-Muslim, anti-Iran. Anyone who supports military attacks on Iran - as you do - is anti-Iran.

Mammad

As an American born individual...

...and after seeing what "smart bombs" have done in Iraq, Afghanistan
and Pakistan, I vote the US stays out of military action.  Iran has
shaped it's own destiny before, iranians can do it again.

You are giving him too much credit

 You are giving him too much credit if you think he will show up for a deate or even defending his positions.

Peace 

Shaayad Keh

Come out Come out Wherever You Are

You said "let's have a debate". As you can see we're all against it! so come on down and defend your view.

Mansours

Mansour:

Put the pipe down.  NOW

The problem is Islam

Your scenario, Mansour is like Bush thinking that Iraqi's will welcome the invaders with open arms. That went real well, NOT!

Islam is the culprit no matter who's in power. Denounce this F'ed up religion and may be our decendents can have propserity.

Hmm..Discrediting Monarchists In order to Promote NIAC/AIC ? ;0)

Sorry Ol' Chum But Reza Shah II is his Own Man ...

NO NEED TO SPEAK IN OUR NAME ( THAT IS US MONARCHISTS )  OR IN THE NAME OF OUR KING TO BE !

REZA's CALL: An Iranian Solidarnosc... By DK

DOWN WITH THE IRI AND ITS UNDER COVER SUPPORTERS !

Oh and before I forget ... And Too Bad if it Bothers NIAC and Trita Parsi or AIC's Houshang Amir Ahmadi ;0)

BUT ...

JAVID IRAN

And

JAVID REZA SHAH DOVOM !

LOL

Salavate boland khatm konid

Allah o ma sale ala mohammad va aleh mohammad.

For all seculars and non-seculars:)

Backtracking Islamist

About me, Fred, the Islamist liar says:

 1-“You have supported, directly or indirectly, attacking Iran militarily.”Everything I’ve ever written is on the site and you can easily access it, Prove it Islamist liar!    

2-“ As for being anti-Islam: You have never ever made one positive comment about any Muslim, dead or alive. You have never ever hidden your disgust of Muslims.” I’ve never praised nor made a positive remark about a lot of things including the goodness of soy milk does that mean I’m against soy? So you have got to prove your repeated “Anti-Islam” fatwa against me which carries death.  Prove it Islamist liar!

 3-“ I could not care less where you work, where you live,”You are a shameless Islamist liar for only yesterday you wrote:“This AIPAC agent, who still pretends that his identity (and e-mail, and place of work, and home) is unknown,”  The rest of your diatribe is of the same stuff.

You are a nuke propagandist for the Islamist Rapist republic and an Islamist liar too, oh wait, the lying part comes with being Islamist, scratch that. Take care Haji 

The little line at the end

Of the paragraph suggested that we should put this topic to debate and see if it is going to be a workable solution. It is totally undesrtandale why so many are against such attacks, But by mentioning that little line at the end, I don't think even the author is sure of what he or she is talking about and whether that is the correct action to support or not.

A Call for debate is just that, A call for debate!

Dom-e Khrous

Do not lose your nerves. You have been losing them lately. Relax!

For a long time you hidded and made all sorts of baseless accusations against me. If anyone needs to prove anything, it is you not me. I am a public person. I write with my full name. You know who I am. You know where I work. You have repeatedly bragged about knowing every move that I make. You have passed judgement on my work as a teacher, you have accused me of being an IRI supporter, etc., etc., etc., all the while hiding behind "Fred."

I could not care less where you work, where you live, etc. Unlike you, who has an "alert" system for my name, and immediately after I leave a comment here, you show up with your rants, nonsense, etc., I have a busy life. I do not give a hoot to what you say. Only when I catch you in your contradictions, I comment. Otherwise, who gives a hoot to what you think? Say what you want. Aside from your own type, no one here in this thread pays any attention to you.

In fact, since you appeared on the "horizon," countering me in your hallucinations, I have become more determined to cotinue writing about what I believe in, based on principles that I believe in.

But, you should no longer pretend that you are hidding, and from your "hideout" you can continue your nonsense and slandering against me. No, just as you know who I am, I also know who you are. Just as you know what I do, same goes for me. So, stop your nonsense. Of course, I should not be surprised. You atomic-size brain never fails to produce nonsense.

I did not issue any Fatwa. I am not a believer in the concept of Fatwa. I am a secular Muslim, believing in religion being a strictly private matter. Nor can I issue a Fatwa, even if I believed in it, because I am simply not at that level.

The person who issues Fatwas - of the secular type - is you, who attacks everybody that says anything that does not agree with his agenda. Who gives a name to everyone, who makes things up just to make a "point" in your pointless comments.

So, change your mirror. When you look into your mirror, you should see yourself, not me. You are the one who issues Fatwas, you are the one who brags about knowing what I do, etc., and now, in your typical fashion, you are accusing me of the same? What is the matter with you? Your "hide and hit" game is up, and you lost your nerves so easily. Relax! Just don't pretend that you are too smart for the rest of us.

As for being anti-Islam: You have never ever made one positive comment about any Muslim, dead or alive. You have never ever hidden your disgust of Muslims. You have supported, directly or indirectly, attacking Iran militarily. You have a name for every Muslim who comes here and comment. You mock them in your typical smart a.. fashion, and when people protest, you say, "it is a gentlemen agreement not to call people with their real name."

Well, you are not gentle. As for being a man, what kind of a man spies on a person, brags about what he knows, and then hides? 

You have called me a Haji (the same way that US soldiers used it in Iraq to demonize Iraqis), among other names that I have had the "honour" of receiving from you. And, when I told you not to do so, you issued your Fatwa: "This is the highest honor for a Muslim."

And, finally, because I caught you in your contradictions, you resort to make, once again, nonsense accusations against me. But, then again, that is what one should expect of you. 

Mammad

SamSam

I think you might have hit the nail on proverbial head! 

No one could be this dumb.

Cheers

-YT 

Hmmm ...

Nice regards to Abarmard, IRANdokht, Ari Siletz and capt_ayhab, well I'm not sure, if this guy is that wrong; history (Germany '45, Cambodia '79, Serbia '99) tought us, sometimes bombs are necessary ... :(

خروس قندی II

The Islamist nuke lover says:

“Finally, the most amazing thing is that, such pieces of garbage are allowed to be posted here on this site in the name of freedom of expression.”

It is the source of never ending amazement at how these rabid Islamists can never really mesh with  democracy. The rabid Islamist, who has lived in the land of the infidels for decades, uses their every available opportunity and bounties, when it comes to tolerating others’ opinion he opts for the Islamist way, banning it.

Look Doc, if you ban all except your own opinion, the believers of the banned opinions can always claim to speak for the majority.  It is when they freely say it that you can gauge their popularity or in the case of this opinion piece advocating military attack lack of one.  Get the replication of your Islamist Rapist Republic in the U.S. out of your Islamist cotton-picking mind.

BTW, for the nth time you issued fatwa branding me an “Anti-Islam” knowing such Islamist fatwa carries death, you have to prove it. And like other times that you made it and could not prove it for the simple fact of it not being true, for the nth times I call you an Islamist liar that you are.

And what do you mean when you say:

“...still pretends that his identity and e-mail, and place of work, and home) is unknown …”

By saying you know where I work and where my home which where my family lives are you threatening me and my family?

You can threaten me till you are blue in the face, as for my family cool it you Islamist thug.

I live in a free society where the safety of my family is watched over by just laws and the entire society. This is not your Islamist Rapist Republic where your rapist Islamist brethrens can raid people’s homes at will in the middle of the night hauling innocents away to be raped and tortured.

As I’ve told you before you can take your knowledge about where I work and live plus all that which your Islamist Intelligence has told you and roll it up tight and take the wad and buy a khoroos-ghandi with it.  All this scaremongering Islamist tactic of yours only makes my opposition to your Islamist nuke advocacy to be redoubled.

Now go and sign another one of those worthless petitions of CASMII lobby the conjoined twin of the NIAC lobby and write the zillionth fallacy-ridden article defending Islamist nuke. Take care Doc.

  I am surprised that

I am surprised that nobody has tried to play along with Mr. Mansours suggestions to prove their point and see where and how many time things
can go wrong.

Lets play along for a minute; Months of embargo has weakened the
system and forced people into survival mode. They are angrier at the
regime, but not willing to risk life and limb to demonstrate for
freedom, hunger is more important now.

No one has gasoline to drive around except for the IRGC and the military using their strategic reserves.

The military operation has started;

1- Air superiority is established within hours.

2- All major and known IRGC, Basij and other armed repressive
centers, bases, compounds and buildings are targeted and destroyed, with
some, or many collateral deaths.

People are now locked in their houses and waiting to see what is next.
10-12 million in Tehran have food and some services for now, but not
very long.

Now what ?

Need troops on the ground ?  ok, a few infantry divisioins are
deployed just south of Tehran in a large desert base.Tehran and a few
major cities are encircled and in/out traffic into cities is being
controlled.

Now what (easy so far, but damn expensive!) ? How doyou want to remove IRI without turning people against you ? 

step us through.

This reads like a Stephen Colbert skit

Monarchist, IRI Supporter ... Tomato, Tomaato

Monarchist or IRI-Supporter?, Neocon or Hezbollahi? they are all the same sh**t and that sh**t is called being anti-Iranian. I don't know if it's my bad luck encountering people or there are a lot of cuckoo individuals floating around Iranian.com. One claims that Iran under IRI is "independent" and "free" and the other argues that because IRI is killing Iranians, Uncle Sam might as well kill some more, just to round up the death toll, I guess!! (or more precisely increase it by a factor of 1000).

Mansour, I just have a question for you, how close are your relatives in Iran, cousins? aunts? uncles? or grandparents?, how about parents?, are you seriously willing to sacrifice you parents?, because I tell you what, if anyone drops bombs where my parents live I will go and fight them, so will all Iranians for their parents and their children.

IRI will only be overthrown by Iranians (and I mean real Iranians living in Iran), may be within a year may be a decade, but it will be overthrown for sure.The process has already begun; in every neighborhood in Iran there are committees of young people writing anti-regime slogans on the walls and organizing ant-regime activities. But a military attack on Iran will not only succeed but also prolong IRI's life as Iran-Iraq War consolidated its fragile hold on Iran and prolonged its life.

Are you an Israeli? An enemy of Iranian children? Go to hell!

Who are you? Taking advantage of the current situation? Israel can go to the red sea! We don't need foreign countries and agents help. Are you using the US regime change fund? No decent Iranian would ever want to drop a bomb on any country, let alone their own people!

Why don't move you fat ass and go ahead and do it! Enjoy your soft sofa! Hell is waiting for you!

who is behind this article?

In my 1st comment I wondered if he realy is who he says he is & after reading it a 2nd time I,m absolutly sure he is a cyber fanthom created to discredit oppostion & give badly needed credibility to some.

I,m not here for the political take of this propaganda piece .This is a matter of ethics & decency

It is an insult to my intelligence to believe "Mansure" character actualy exists.

Could this be a watergate for some folks. Is this article written to glorify NIAC & CASMII?

Mansour, fess up & drop by if you realy exist, I have a few tough questions for you the so called monarchist warmonger traitor ;)

Cheers!!!

//www.iranianidentity.blogspot.com/

//www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia

WTF?!!!

Is this guy for real?!!!!

Dear Mammad

I also noticed that he's saying he supports AIPAC, then he says he's against military attacks, but somehow finds a way to justify them all this time repeating that the people in Iran should be overthrowing the regime, but then again keeps shouting and demanding airtight sanctions.

You're right, the "dom-e khoroos" is evident and no amount of word play can hide the true intentions.

One other thing I have noticed and you can't deny is that he's one of your most persistent fans and follows you around everywhere ;-)   

IRANdokht

Bombing Iran is just good

To reinforce Khamenei, Ahmadinejad and all other takeoverers in their positions. Our brothers and sisters inside Iran are giving their life to solve this tumor by themselves and War is just what we hear from some extremists like Bolton and others for whom Mullahs handover in the region serve their mutual interests.

There are even some AIPAC sympathizers on this site who have understood that bombing Iran will just prolong A.N.'s life.


If you don't trust, just google it using for example the query "War Iran prolong mullahs life"...

IRANdokht

You are a little too generous! 

Not all APIAC agents condemned the suggestion for military attacks on Iran. One likened it to German and French resistance, in order to give it "legitimacy," hence support. And, this is the man who wondered just a few days ago why he is called anti Iran/anti Islam.

This AIPAC agent, who still pretends that his identity (and e-mail, and place of work, and home) is unknown, wished for a level-playing field in Iran a few days ago. Yeah, the military attacks fantasized about by his compatriots in Israel (which, if carried out, would be turned into their worst nightmeres), lobbied by the AIPAC, and supported by him will truly create a level-playing field in Iran, by destroying it and levelling everything!

This is the same guy who said a couple of weeks ago that, "fortunately, the IRI does not have nuclear bomb yet, so it can still be overthrown." The only way a nuclear bomb and the overthrow of the IRI are linked is through military attacks. The contant nonsense by his atomic-size brain allows "dom-e khorous az laaye abaa biyaad biroon."

And, in his hallucinations he still thinks that he is effectively countering people like you and I!

Mammad

mansour's suggestion for Iran:

IRANDokht

I am glad you find my idea laughable and I am so deeply wounded!!

FYI I was not referring to mahmoudg and Ali Akbar nor other regular members of this site. None of them to my knowledge pretend to speak on behalf of anyone else other than themselves. so stop your stirring.