Camp Ashraf stalemate

Problems continue in Iraqi effort to relocate Mojahedin members

The National: Iraqi prime minister al Maliki finds himself in the awkward position of having no choice but to host 3,500 MEK members, currently living on a base north of Baghdad... A new strategy was devised and last week the Iraqi government indicated it would shut Camp Ashraf – which has over the years developed into a well-resourced small town – and move the occupants to Muthana, a sparsely populated desert province in southern Iraq. Such a prospect was, however, resoundingly rejected by local officials in Muthana, who warned it could spark violence in what has long been one of Iraq’s most peaceful areas. Ibrahim Salman al Mayali, the provincial governor, said he would do all he could to oppose a relocation >>>

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marhoum Kharmagas

I agree with inspector vildee

by marhoum Kharmagas on

I agree with inspector vildee joon. Iran is not un-attack-able with any of these toys including the S300. Iran will be un-attack-able if it has nukes or the capability to build them quickly .... that is why U.S and Israel are making all this noise.

I wish IRI total success if it is making Iran nuke capable and it is not all khAlibandi.


No Fear

Asymmetrical Offensive Warfare is key to Irans defense doctorine

by No Fear on

"Iran incapable of defending its strategic targets "

 Maybe so , if we don't receive the S300s from russia then i will agree with you on our "defenseless" strategical areas.

However, you fail to realize that Iran defense doctorine is not " defense" , but is purely "offense".  Our missile program is not a defensive system , it is offensive. Our asymmetrical warfare strategies are highly offensive as well. While many countries in the middle east have better defense systems than Iran, None has a better offensive power with world wide implications than Iran. This is what frightening the arab league.

Rest assure that no country in the world can afford to attack Iran since we can truely make them pay for their stupidity. Even Bush with his limited IQ realized the implications of attacking Iran.

We defend ourselves by making the cost of an enemy attack very high for the enemy. We accomplish this by any offensive means available to us.


vildemose

Sargord Beast:   "...As

by vildemose on

Sargord Beast:

 

"...As with a number of

by vildemose on

"...As with a number of well-known Middle Eastern leaders, including the late and largely unlamented Saddam Hussein, President Mahmud Ahmadinejad continues to put what purports to be national pride before common sense or a rational approach to international relations.

The Iranian government, its military and intelligence services go out of their way to needle the West in a manner that suggests that they still harbor the illusion of surviving such a military confrontation.

Iran incapable of defending its strategic targets
The truth is that Iran is quite incapable of defending its air space and strategic targets against a determined Israeli attack, let alone one that involved US air assets.

Iran's air force and air defense forces are a generation or more behind its potential foes. According to the US Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) in Washington in May 2009, "Without Russian air defense systems, Iran is a sitting duck."

CSIS said, "Iran's current air defense umbrella is antiquated and could not stop an Israeli or US strike. Iran's air defense network could be easily penetrated by the air forces of Israel and the United States."

 

//www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KL22Ak04.html


 


Ali9 Akbar

So Major your saying that what the CSA did

by Ali9 Akbar on

was not treason against the United States in the 1860????

I guess American History was not required for your education.... Also if you read European History mainly England about the 16th century there was a British Army Officer called Guy Fawkes who attempted some form of revolution within England then...  IE Protestant VS Catholic war 16th Century....  I see the connection because of the Sunni VS Shiite Islam struggle that is in the NEWS .....

 

PS BTW I guess in your eyes since I disagree with you that in itself is treasonous...  gee I remember in 2001 after the terrorist attack on Sept 11 the USA had a President who agreed with you....


Anonymous Observer

Payam

by Anonymous Observer on

No Fear is not Shah Gholam.  It's Jaleho.  There are many give aways, a small one of which is Jaleho's endless passion for the use of the word that refers to a person's read end, which "no fear" has a tendency to use quite frequently as well!!! :-)


پیام

Shah Gholam, No fear or whatever you call yourself these days.

by پیام on

No, it's because of your faulty and childish use of launguage. As I remember correctly, you were mentally around 15 years old. Well, your use of language actually suits your age.

 

You can find my respond to this post  bit lower, if you bother and read other commentators comments (instead of coming back and repost crap under diffrent pseudonyms).


No Fear

...

by No Fear on

How typical of a dimwit who thinks only one person with different disguises opposes his views. You think i am the same person as Shah Gholam because we think the same?  Is this your answer to the post? Do you expect my jaws to drop in awe because you have discovered me and shah gholam are the same? wow... heres a lolli pop for your achivement to suck on.


پیام

No Fear or should I say Shah Gholam.

by پیام on

Adopted yet another id? You must be the most populair guy I know here.


No Fear

...

by No Fear on

"Thank god days of you and your like mindeds are over."

How long have you been saying this crap?  

a.  5 years                                  b. 10 years

c.  30 years                                 d.  Just came to your mind


پیام

No fear, it seems that you have been brainewashed too.

by پیام on

Thank god days of you and your like mindeds are over.


No Fear

Granting full amnesty to all those traitors is naive.

by No Fear on

They should be handed to Iran for interogations. We should build a place like Guantanamo bay prison and put those terrorists in there.

I can't believe reading some of the half assed comments in here. This is a terrorist organization that is responsible of killing thousands and thousands of Iranians. They are traitors and enemy colaborators. Even in the most civilized countries, traitors and colaborators got a bullet in the head or atleast , spent the rest of their life in a prison.

Dear Sargord, As much as i enjoy reading your posts, i got the impression that you wish most of them integrated back in our society. Have you forgot that members of this cult are completely brain washed and are a lost cause? Why grant them amnesty?

MKO is a para military organization which commited treason against Iran and betrayed all of us when we were fighting against an outside enemy. It is pay back time. We will never forget!


پیام

It's funny that people like sargord learn nothing from the

by پیام on

history. Baba, it doesn't matter who has been involved in the crushing of the people in streets of Iran. Those IRGC you tend to fear, are a part of Iranian siciety. They will not open fire on their own compatriots who are friends and families of the IRGC members. Basij or better said, Ali geda's stormtroopers are a case apart. They are brainwashed like yourself and tend to forget the many examples that the history offers. Remember this:

 

Just keep denying, who knows maybe you will end up like him too.


پیام

Poor souls.

by پیام on

Just from a humanitirian point of view, I hope these people can be resetteled outside Iraq in a peacefull manner. At the end of the day, despite what the NON-HUMANS and NON-IRANIANS (Sargord likes) say here. This is how Iraqis treated them last summer:


yolanda

......

by yolanda on

Dear vildemose,

      Thank you for your great posts! Great job! God bless you!!

I like this part:

When your beloved regime is toppled would the likes of you be asking for mercy?? would you ever open your eyes and see how wrong you've been and will you ever repent??

Great reasoning! I have a feeling that the guy blogs from IRGC's headquarter......I am not sure if he has conscience!

Delaram Banafsheh (Yolanda)

"Cactus in the Desert"


Sargord Pirouz

vildemose: you're quite emotional- aren't you.

by Sargord Pirouz on

Merely stating fact.

So far, the IRIPF and Basij have been the major force on the street. IRGC forces have not been activated (not even in June, when the demonstrations were in the hundreds of thousands).

What I'm trying to get across to all the anti-IRI cheerleaders out there is that the government hasn't even come close to mobilizing its forces. It hasn't had to. Contrary to the distorted view you're getting from focusing on biased reporting, the Green Movement has a looooooooong way to go in actually challenging the IRI in any meaningful way.

So let's all take a deep breath, and see how this Monty thing plays out, right on through Ashura.


vildemose

Seyed-ol-Shohada Corps

by vildemose on

Seyed-ol-Shohada Corps (strategically perched on the northern gateway of Tehran) to move swiftly into the metropolis and occupy all important institutions and buildings, and cut off the Iranian capital from the outside world, all within hours, then I’d say a real crisis is at hand.

I have no doubt that the demonic IRI will not hesitate  bathing in the blood of innocent people if they have to save themselves. That much has been evident for 30 years.

You  are shockingly  proud of your vampiric seyed-ol-shohada fascist Corp. You are bragging about the criminals who are ready to shed more blood of the innocent people. What kind of creature are you??

 You will be needing your pathetic goons when the wrath of God falls upon you demonic monsters. Remember Hitler had a deep sense of destiny entwined with delusions of grandeur too. Your day will come too.

  

Light shall always triumph over the Dark


Bavafa

Maybe they are waiting for their leader (Saddam) to come back

by Bavafa on

to help them.  As their other leaders in EU are sipping wine and enjoying themselves.

Mehrdad


Emil

Missing chromosome...

by Emil on

MKO, a cult which can only attract people who are missing one or two chromosomes...

Camp Ashraf looks like a good place to be used as waste dump ground... 


Sargord Pirouz

Any potential crises qualified

by Sargord Pirouz on

@ali:
Big difference between a civil war faction (nation) trying to gain international legitimacy and assistance with allied nations, and a terrorist group consisting of traitors attaching itself to a foreign power embarked upon a war of agression against the traitors’ home country. If you can’t see the difference, maybe its because your own personal views are also not that far removed from treason. (Just a hunch.)

@vildemose:
When Sepah finds the need to acticate the elite Seyed-ol-Shohada Corps (strategically perched on the northern gateway of Tehran) to move swiftly into the metropolis and occupy all important institutions and buildings, and cut off the Iranian capital from the outside world, all within hours, then I’d say a real crisis is at hand. Until that occurs, it remains business as usual, despite all your wishful thinking made from the distorted vantage point of another country far in the distance.

@Omid: Where have you been all these years? Iran hasn’t had a Prime Minister in a long, long time. And yes, for the vast majority of these traitors, an amnesty is being extended by Iran.


shahabshahab

We should help these people.

by shahabshahab on

They left Iran in order to fight the IRI. This was motivated by a combination of religion, revenge, and in some rare instances, even nationalism. They started out by really aiming at the IRI. Then, their leadership became corrupt and disoriented. It is the leadership that we should blame. They are the ones who should be out on trial for what they have done to these people. As you can see, they are dead men  and women walking, carrying photographs of their Supreme Leader and Presidet. They live with pictures of the Great leader. Their women walk like men while their men have become devoid of their normal human qualities required for a normal person.

We should help them. No, most of them are too old to be "deprogrammed" as someone suggested on this site. They should be dealt with kindness and compassion. They should be cared for at a safe place (maybe in Africa? Their Resistance Group can do a fundraising and buy a patch of land).  

 


rustgoo

CULT of MKO; Ahura

by rustgoo on

Listen my friend; we've been down this path before. Your cult has no legitimacy as a political organization. Do not confuse a very natural public sympathy( if any ) for a group of dislocated people with a ground for universal amnesty. MKO is a cult and a terrorist group which only deserves a legal action to be brought up against it. You must have some nerve to talk about moral responsibility of some countries while your organization is legally considered a terrorist group. Hold on to your applause; the fat lady has not sung yet.


OmidKarimi

If I was the Prime Minister of Iran, I would do the following

by OmidKarimi on

Grant amnesty for all the men, women and children in that camp. Let them return to Iran, put the past into the past and let this miserable cult die out. Their leaders on the other hand, the Rajavis and others in the superior echolons of command including all the traitors who have been feeding intelligence to foreign intelligence organizations to this day, should be tried and jailed if they ever set fot back on Iran.But then again, iran is not democratic, and Im not a prime minister :)

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vildemose

این ماه، ماه

vildemose


این ماه، ماه خونه ... سید علی سرنگونه

این ماه، ماه خونه ... سید علی سرنگونه

Hajminator

میدان محسنی (میرداماد

 

//iranian.com/main/blog/shifteh-ansari/reactions-ayatollah-montazeris-death


vildemose

Sargord jan: Run don't walk

by vildemose on

Sargord jan: Run don't walk Tell your superiors to read this.

 

"To Mr. Khamenei: You may be better off studying the last days of Romania’s Ceaucescu.  

Like you, he brutalized his own people.  Like you, he justified himself with a discredited ideology.  Like you, he saw his support dwindle to a handful of security force commanders and a small in-crowd.  Like you,  he gradually alienated rank-and-file troopers sick of clubbing people or angry about brutalized friends and family. "

//iranian.com/main/blog/fg/why-regime-big-shots-recently-spent-3-hours-debating-mousavis-arrest


Ahura

Applaud to Ashraf Camp Freedom Fighters

by Ahura on

To gain acceptance in world community MKO leadership must denounce terrorism and issue apologies for their past violent acts.  This would help USA and other countries to remove MKO from the list of terrorist groups similar to European Union action a few months ago.

Regardless of MKO leadership action, USA bears a major moral responsibility in the present Camp Ashraf dilemma and must supervise a fair agreement on this issue. These brave Iranian brothers and sisters of Ashraf camp have dedicated their lives to free Iran from the dictatorship of IRI for all of us. They should be applauded.


vildemose

Sargord jan:

by vildemose on

Khameni Yazideh ,be akharesh resideh
Khameni haya kon, mamlekat ro raha kon
na gazeh na lobnan, janam fadayeh Iran

These are chants being heard all across Iran... Deal with it. It's still not too late. You can join the people.


Ali9 Akbar

you still need to read History Major...

by Ali9 Akbar on

The CSA attempted to attach themselves to Emperor Maximilian I of Mexico who was trying to get Napoleon III of France's support...If the three governments succeeded the USA would have been VERY DIFFERENT and there would have been a much different global picture today.... Also there were many Northerners who wanted mass executions of the former soldiers as they were considered fighting for a foreign entity...   I suggest you travel to some places in the south Such as Alabama Mississippi Georgia and the Carolinas where there are some that are sill fighting a war they lost 140 years ago...   I threw in the Bahai example to illustrate a point of similarities to illustrate the point that you apparently wish to ignore at your own peril...   So therefore we agree to disagree

vildemose

Basiji and IRGC are cults

by vildemose on

Basiji and IRGC are cults too and are just as brainwashed. They have also committed crimes against Iran and Iranians.

Sargord: When your beloved regime is toppled would the likes of you be asking for mercy?? would you ever open your eyes and see how wrong you've been and will you ever repent??


Sargord Pirouz

Ali, not the same

by Sargord Pirouz on

In the American War Between the States example, the south seceded and formed its own government and military. It was a civil war with the North's goal of restoring a national union, in both a political and territorial sense, by means of military victory.

In the MEK example, this exile group attached itself to a foreign power in a war of aggression against its own homeland. Big difference.

Your Baha'i argument really isn't relevant to the discussion over Camp Ashraf, and comparing it to slavery, racism and socio-economic subjugation is not the same as legally based religious restrictions. (By pointing this out, please do not falsely accuse me of religious intolerance.)


vildemose

Sargord jan: I think your

by vildemose on

Sargord jan: I think your free ride is ending too...stand by!