Russia Today: Iranian students in the Netherlands are taking the Dutch state to court. They say they have been excluded from certain courses and places, because of UN sanctions against their native country - a situation the students insist is discriminatory and against in breach of their human rights.
Behnam Taebi is leading the campaign against the measures. Hes doing a PhD in science and engineering, and wants to make sure others also have the opportunity.
The Dutch government is unique in interpreting it this way. Students are not mentioned in the resolution and it says nothing about Iranian Dutch people, and this is what were opposing, he said.
Taebi rallied together with a group of Iranian students from across the country who are determined to fight for their rights: students like Kawa Bitaraf, who has lived in the Netherlands since he was four and has never had an Iranian passport.
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آتش بس!
MajidSun Mar 01, 2009 11:50 PM PST
دعوا با هیشکی ندارم
Majid jaan Afghan has a good point
by Ali P. on Sun Mar 01, 2009 08:42 PM PSTHaneous crimes are always being committed by somebody.
Hispanics, illegal aliens committ some of these haneuos crimes in the USA, and you don't see a riot! A Riot to kill and throw away the hispanics? Come one!!!
The culprits are apprehended and put on trial. And that's how civilized societies react to these events.
Agents! huh?
by Fatollah (not verified) on Sun Mar 01, 2009 07:12 PM PSTAgents? I liked that! Aziz-e man eshtebah moltafet shodeen! On what ground are you accusing others for being liars and agents? Believe me khar-gir jaan, you should examine your attitudes a bit closer first before labelling someone or a group of people as liars and agents in here! I thought leading life as an immigrant for some 20-30 years would force most to expand their horizon a bit and think twice before uttering remarks like that, but then again I was wrong!
And don't put words in my mouth, I have never endorsed sanctions towards Iran under IR! Ok?
ps! Is that your new profession or did you inherit the noble trade of khar-giri from your father?
Fatollah
مجید جون، بالا غیرتن کوتاه بیا!
Shazde Asdola MirzaSun Mar 01, 2009 07:06 PM PST
بابا اون بیچاره هم راست میگه و تو هم حق داری، ولی این حرفا درست نیست؛ واگر نه آمریکایها میبایست همه ایرونیا و مسلمونا رو واسه گروگان گیری، لبنان و ۱۱ سپتامبر، اعدام میکردند!
ما در مقابل غربیا، حکم افغانیها رو داریم در ایران! اگه با اینها نتونیم کنار بیام، که ۲۵۰۰ سال جزو ایرون بودند، دیگه خیلی ضایعه!
آقایون جون من همدیگر رو ببخشید؛ یه دست به هم بدید و یه دست هم به ما، ایولله!
My dear Afghaan FRIEND! Namak khor & namakdaan shekan!
by Majid on Sun Mar 01, 2009 06:33 PM PSTYou say.....
"If what you described happened in Holland, those students will be arrested and prosecuted. Average Iranian on the streets of Holland will not pay the price. Good Afghans pay for the sins of bad Afghans, every day in Iran."
I say......BS
After such a horrible crime in ANY country in the WORLD......there would be such a riot against everyone from that country (Afghaanestaan in this case) that you would buy an spider hole for one million dollar !
Thanks to stupidity and "bi vatani, bi tafaavoti" of mullahs and hospitality of Iranians, that EVERY SINGLE ONE of you were not hung!
BTW. Hoping that you understand Farsi........"raah baaz....jaaddeh deraaz"
Everyone single one of you crossed the border illegally, if you have no "RIGHTS" in Iran, what stops you from going back?
Afghan "friend" my a$$$
by khar-gir (not verified) on Sun Mar 01, 2009 04:24 PM PSTisn't it funny how these fakers only reveal themselves when its an important point to be made based on their background.
I fully expect to see some Azeri and Kurdish "friends" come to the party.
These are all lying agents. They are not who they claim to be. The same lying agents who always say sanctions only hurts the IRI, not the people.
This is just the beginning of what this useless sanctions policy will do to Iranians everywhere.
Boycott KLM!!!
by Anonymous8 (not verified) on Sun Mar 01, 2009 04:19 PM PSTthe Iranian and middle eastern traffic alone would bring that company to its knees
moslems/iranians do not deserve equal treatment
by bj (not verified) on Sun Mar 01, 2009 03:02 PM PSTwell we come from a country that have no undrestanding and respect for homan rights and human dignity. how dare are you? you and your parents were on street of tehran in 1979 fighting for this system which abolish women rights,bringing our country to primitive ages and destroying our reputation and dignity in the world. how many times you and your parents criticize other religios beliefs.when moslems /iranian are in other countries/west they keep talking about freedom and equal rights but when they go to their native country defenitely they join the crowd.i think the west should treat all moslems/iranians according ro their native land constitution.then we may start changing our mind set and start changing our native land.
some people have such a
by Fatollah (not verified) on Sun Mar 01, 2009 02:37 PM PSTsome people have such a short memory, Von Gough? Remember?
While shot in the stomach, he begged for his life on his knees, the bastard crazed son of b. cut his throat!
Ma ers-e pedareem ono az een bisharafa ke naftemoon o moft o majanee bordan mikhaym!
Mosht nemoon-e kharvar, see how we treat our Afghani cousins in iran!
And racism? What a noble concept!
What the Dutch government is
by Dutch hater (not verified) on Sun Mar 01, 2009 01:50 PM PSTWhat the Dutch government is doing against these students is pure discrimination and against the human rights. The Dutch government argues that these students may learn and gather nuclear knowledge and then transfer it to the Iranian government so that their nuclear activities are facilitated. That's why these students are deprived of those courses. This is just condemning them before they have done anything against the laws. How do you know that they will do that in the future? It is just a prejudice and not legitimate. I believe that the Dutch authorities are aware of this but they can do nothing about it because it is imposed on them by the Americans. If Iran is such a dangerous country why do the Dutch companies business with Iran then? How do you declare this contradiction?
That's bull...
by Dutch Lover (not verified) on Sun Mar 01, 2009 01:16 PM PSTOur welfare system rocks!
Your welfare system is
by Dutch hater (not verified) on Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:27 AM PSTYour welfare system is sometimes used to suppress the people specially the Dutch coming from other nationalities. If they don't like to do what your racist government wants then they become isolated in that system and should live in the margin. So don't try to show off with your welfare system.
Divide and Conquer
by Mola Nasredeen on Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:26 AM PST1. There are people/agents on this site who pose as Afghan, Kurd, Azari, Arab, etc and they are non of the above. Their goal is to set us up against each other.
2. Euroupeans are racist and it goes back to their colonialist past and present. Look at what they have been doing to Iraqies, Afghan people, Palestinians, etc and now it's Iranians turn. What else can you expect from these people. Iranian student are doing the right thing standing up for their rights. Thanks for posting the clip.
Dutch hater
by Anonymousx (not verified) on Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:58 AM PSTAfghan is right, as an Iranian I should say when it comes to racism nobody can hold the candle to Iranians. We are a racist nation. You say Dutch don't respect the human rights, as if human rights are respected in Iran. And I hope so far you have enjoyed the welfare system in Netherlands.
Mr afghan. You can not have
by Dutch hater (not verified) on Sun Mar 01, 2009 09:53 AM PSTMr afghan. You can not have any respond because you know that what I said is right. You afghans are just lucky because the Iranian regime is not a real Iranian regime and holds your crimes hidden in many situations in order to protect you afghans. I don't hate anybody except liars and hirelings that don't respect the people who have been nice to them for decades. If your people are not satisfied of Iranians you may ask your American master to send some planes to Iran and take you all to America. We Iranians are not in love with you.
Gracious host
by Afghan (not verified) on Sun Mar 01, 2009 06:32 AM PSTMr Majid:
Thank you for defining rasicm again for us: Penalizing all, for the actions of some. That's what fueled, and still does fuel, racism in America: Many examples of Black people doing bad things and ending up in jail. So "screw them. They are all scums".
If what you described happened in Holland, those students will be arrested and prosecuted. Average Iranian on the streets of Holland will not pay the price. Good Afghans pay for the sins of bad Afghans, every day in Iran.
Nader khan:
Every guest owes the host some respect. You are Iranian and a guest in America or Europe, and you should be thankful. At the same time, if they mistreat you, you have a right to speak up.
Dutch hater:
I have no respond who is a selfproclaimed "hater". Good luck to you.
MR afghan! for your
by Dutch hater (not verified) on Sun Mar 01, 2009 03:33 AM PSTMR afghan! for your information the Dutch self say officially that the average Iranian who lives in the Netherlands is much higher educated than the average domestic Dutch. Thus the Netherlands profits a lot of the presence of Iranians in the Netherlands. What about your afghan people who live in Iran? Most of them are illiterate and can not even write their own names. Most of them inter illegal to the Iranian territory and don't introduce themselves to the Iranian police till they are arrested for a criminal act (murder, drug dealing, rape and so on). Thus try to be reasonable and don't compare yourself with Iranians.
Where has the united nations said that the Iranian DUTCH people may be discriminated because of the Iranian Islamic government? I would like to know that. The only reason that the Iranians are discriminated in the Netherlands is that that country is ruled by a bunch of paranoid people who don't respect the human rights.
RESPECT
by Nader Khan (not verified) on Sun Mar 01, 2009 12:03 AM PSTAfghan khan
be respectful .
Iran has been very nice to you guys.
Respect
Spare ME.....my Afghaan "FRIEND" !....LOL
by Majid on Sun Mar 01, 2009 12:25 AM PSTMy afghaani "friend"
(1361).....12 Afghaans in the city of Khaash "Baloochestaan province" break into a house of a newly weds , after beheading "daamaad", they rape "aroos", behead her afterwards and..........
Cut OFF their fingers, just to steal their wedding rings!!!
I'm sure those couple were thinking......"it's OK....we share the same language, same culture, same race and same....."
AND...........
"We Afghans have no freaking rights in Iran, and we share the same color, same race,same history, same language, and same religion with you Iranians.
The Dutch are princes , compared to you people.
Shame on you Iranians.
Shame!"
I wonder what your "Dutch princes" would do if these students did.......
Oh well......just ignore me, my "FRIEND"!!
Spare me, will you?
by Afghan (not verified) on Sat Feb 28, 2009 09:59 PM PSTBoo hoo....Iranian students can't enroll in cetain university classes, and you all are calling the Dutch racist?
We Afghans have no freaking rights in Iran, and we share the same color, same race,same history, same language, and same religion with you Iranians.
The Dutch are princes , compared to you people.
Shame on you Iranians.
Shame!
Why are you guys so quick to
by Anonymousx (not verified) on Sat Feb 28, 2009 09:45 PM PSTWhy are you guys so quick to label this as racism. Well get use to this, Shazdeh said it right; gonah kard dar balkh .....
This is all because of the UN sanctions and yes I do travel through Amsterdam and have never ever been subjected to racism. You want change go ask the Iranian government to do something about it and good luck with that. You are going through all this s... because of IRI. Hell you even were not tolerated in Iran and that's why you are here, just remember that.
Racist pigs
by capt_ayhab on Sat Feb 28, 2009 03:21 PM PSTWhat do you expect from a country who has Geert Wilders as member of parliament, and who has been leading the worst hate propaganda against 1.5 Billion Muslim.
Everyone should galvanize and protest this shameful racist act directly to their embassy:
Ambassador Renée Jones-Bos
4200 Linnean Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20008
1-877-DUTCHHELP (phone)
1-877-388-2443 (phone)
202-362-3430 (fax)
//www.netherlands-embassy.org/homepage.asp
I have already done so.
-YT
Ah.. One needs to only have
by Teymoorian (not verified) on Sat Feb 28, 2009 01:03 PM PSTAh.. One needs to only have a flight connection in Amsterdam airport to know what kind of jerks they are. They make the Germans look very friendly and tolerant. That's how racist most Dutch people are. Amsterdam itself is a huge exception. I for myself will never fly via Holland to other parts of the world. They don't care that you are an American citizen. They treat you like crap in your face, and then joke about it!
How can we help??
by ns (not verified) on Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:48 AM PSTI am disgusted by what is happening in Holland. How can we help these guys to fight the racist policies of the Dutch government?
"revolting students"
by John on Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:32 AM PSTYes indeed, some students and teenagers often seem revolting to us older folk. Many students are also rebellious and can be found rebelling.
i feel ashamed.
by water (not verified) on Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:19 AM PSToh no... what happend to the Dutch government????
Great
by Reza Khaneh Mir Five (not verified) on Sat Feb 28, 2009 07:00 AM PSTProud of these revolting students. I think Iranian government regardless of what it stands for should spend a lot of the oil money and advertise for university professors and scientists to teach at the Iranian universities at a crazy high salaries. This will attract a lot of scientists and teachers who are well underpaid in the west.
Invest in knowledge.
Dutch racism
by Dutch hater (not verified) on Sat Feb 28, 2009 04:41 AM PSTThe Dutch government is racist. They don't exclude only the Iranian students from those courses but also exclude the Dutch of the Iranian origin from the governmental good positions except those who are serving the Dutch intelligent service.
Terrible, just aweful!
by ramintork on Sat Feb 28, 2009 01:38 AM PSTThis is a very silly interpretation of the sanctions and shows the degree of ignorance of Dutch authorities in how International Terrorism works.
So does this stop a Morrocan or Pakistani, a Bosnian or a West Indian, East European nuclear scientist help regimes such as Iran obtain security risk scientific University kowledge?
They don't seem to need anyone, with the money they spend they seem to be able to buy anyone in the market!
It is just a demonstration of the mood within the country but it is making the poor students suffer.
I hope the Dutch come to their senses.
This is a huge case of discrimination against the citizens of...
by Ostaad on Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:17 PM PSTa country based on their country of origin. These guys are saying they are Dutch citizens therefore they have a good chance of winning this thing in Holland. Even if they don't make it in Holland, which I doubt very much because Holland has pretty progressive laws, they can make an international human rights violation lawsuit against the government of Holland. I don't think other European offenders, who were alluded to by the Dutch gentleman, will like this case to see the light of day, let alone serve as a legal precedence.
These kids are certainly smart enough to have covered the legal angles and are now getting prepared to take it to court.
I salute them for standing up for their rights.