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anonymous fish, some hold hands and some don't.

The government does its best to control many aspects of people's lives, but it has not succeeded to achieve all its goals and even they know they won't be able to do all that. Iranians are very very hard to control.

Here's a sample:

//www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2009/02/15/...

in reality

it IS illegal.  what is "reality" is that there are ways to circumvent the laws.  no difference in iran than anywhere else.

but you didn't clarify or answer my question.  does tehran have open access to iranian.com?

anonymous fish

We are not like China or Egypt!

In reality, nothing is illegal in Iran, there is a back door to everything with ease. Easier than "drinking water" as we say here.

When you come to Iran, you will see how people work around things and have everything similar than anywhere else in a develop world. After all you can't stop the Silk Road culture, where trade was born.

AF: Have your read this?

AF: Have your read this? Ignore the trolls. They are here to derail what's really going on in their beloved IRI:

//iranian.com/main/node/56307

KouroshS

If you feel like puking, go right ahead. If I want to imitate a Persian accent when I post, that's my business. If you want to read it or if you don't that's your business. People who bite the hand that feeds them are not worthy of my respect.

I'm making fun of the people who blinded by their misplaced sense of superiority and entitlement. People who do in fact come here, and yes, practically beg to get a visa. They go around to every single Iranian they know in the U.S., either directly or through a mutual friend, to secure an affadavit attesting to their "upstanding moral character" in an effort to hasten a favorable outcome for their case. Then, once all is said and done, it's "f**k him. I don't owe him a goddamn thing."

Don't think you can BS me into believing that they don't care if they are denied a visa. If they didn't care, they would never have bothered to apply in the first place. If you wish to believe that it's not important, you're certainly entitled, but you're clearly in the minority.

For all of the shortcomings this place has (and it has many, actually more than its fair share), people still would rather immigrate here than anyplace else in the world. You don't have to take my word for it.

You're complaining about U.S. officials robbing you of every ounce of dignity, which I'm sure happens from time to time. But that's sometimes the price of admission, so to speak. Considering the current circumstances, with the IRI's involvement in terrorist activities, it should be understandable. It doesn't make the ordeal any more enjoyable, but if going through a little indignity from an INS official that you're never going to see again is what stands between you and the opportunity for a better life for you and your family, then suck it up. If it's such an unbearable insult to your sense of pride and dignity, then chances are you'll have difficulty assimilating and succeeding in a highly competitive society such as this one. It's not everyone's cup of tea.

I assume you're not a criminal, I know I'm not a criminal, and the majority of those who seek a better quality of life here in the U.S. are law abiding people as well. But there are people who slipped through the cracks and have wrecked it for everyone else. It's not Iranians in general that pose a threat, nor is it Arabs, or Venezuelans or Cubans or any other country's citizens.

I'll badmouth people, sure. I'll badmouth Democrats, for example, because I believe that part of their agenda is to create a society that becomes totally dependant on the government for everything. I'll badmouth the INS and the TSA, the IRS and every other government agency. The INS is supposed to keep this country safe from foreign criminals trying to enter the U.S., but it is staffed with foreigners! I've driven into the U.S. from Mexico I don't know how many times, and in all those trips I've encountered an American at the border only twice. Every other time, it's a Filipino, or a Korean, or a Latino.

But as critical as I am about things, I know that there's no place else that offers the level of opportunity that is found here. There are so many things that are flawed, imperfect, need improvement, and so on. But they're outweighed by the good. Because of that, I'm grateful as hell to be here. I'm grateful that my parents wanted to give their sons the best chance for success. As if karma were playing a bad practical joke, their green card applications were in process from early 1979 until July 1981 while Americans were being held hostage in Tehran. Talk about indignity. My father, an educated man, took demeaning, crappy, low-paying jobs to support his wife and two sons and never complained about the fact that his ethnicity and nationality prevented him from working in his field of study.

So, yes, I will badmouth and criticize anyone who comes to the U.S. takes advantage of the opportunities here that aren't available anywhere else, and then proceed to crap on it, and act as if the U.S. owes them something.

I don't think there's a waiting list of people wanting to emigrate from here to Iran, do you?

Yap, I woke up

and lost my trust on these phony organizations and news media designed to demonize selected regimes, countries and it's people until they get a grip on the situation and if they can't in case of Iran they just do it for years and years never stop bashing it. Those phony organizations keep releasing annual , Quarterly, monthly and weekly reports ignoring massacars of one government but sensetializing the execusion of one individual in another targeted country even if the individual commited capital crime, IF your favoriet organizations condemn all countries fairly and squerly, I will listen to them again. Is that too much to ask FAIRLY, is that Un-American or American?

It reminds of my in-laws they make their money in Iran and complain non-stop about IRI, but spend it abroad, few years ago their car stereo was stolen in Tehran and they would not stop complaining that how insecure they feel while living there just to demonize the people, regime, and the country etc., I kept telling them these things happen everywhere but they wouldn't believe me So same thing happened to them here some scumbag broke in car and stole the GPS, they have not even mentioned it once, you know why because they reliazed how unfair they have been, you can tell they are embarrased. I had to hear it from my wife. So I personaly know your kind who are good at only one sided judgements.

Cap'n

you know that i respect you... i don't always agree with you but i respect that you offer an intelligent and respectful opinion.  i only ask the same in return.  :-)

but i have to ask.  what is the difference between kashani's "half ass" data... and yours?  if he is quoting figures or data from the internet, why is his less valued than yours?  it seems to me this is one of those "he said, she said" situations.  my facts against your facts.

i don't know what his agenda is.  i can't say that i know every article he's written.  i don't know if he's "demonizing" iran or not.  this article is about anti-americanism.  as i said in my previous comment, it exists.  you can't deny that.  why is considered "demonizing" iran to point this unrefutable fact out?

as for the US's mistakes and problems, yes, they exist.  but that's why there is a new sheriff in town.  :-)

daryush

i'm just curious because, again, i've been told differently... but you say you're IN tehran?  you have access to iranian.com from tehran?  that's wonderful!!!  another misconception on my part... but it's great that the younger generation has access to outside sources for unbiased news as well.

:-)

Daryush

thank you for coming back with such a civil tone.  i can't tell you how much i appreciate your efforts...:-)

to anonymous2.  you're right.  i'm NOT qualified to make an in-depth discussion of iran viable.  however, i have every right to talk about or discuss iran.  if i'm wrong in a particular fact or statement, feel free to correct me.

i must point out that this conversation didn't start out talking about iran.  the focus is anti-americanism.  and that, my friend, is something i can AND will talk about with the same passion you defend iran.  it would be ridiculous to deny that it exists.  i have, past and present tense, issues with those who say one day that they are as patriotic as me, as american as i am, and then in the next breath, talk about "those" americans who do such and such... or I'm iranian and you don't have any right to talk about iran.  do you see my point?  seriously... can you understand MY frustration?  when i talk about america's faults, i say WE or OUR country.  you don't.  or rather, they don't.  they don't refer to the US as OUR country.  it's "the US".  i can't make that any clearer.

we're 300 years old.  can anyone really deny that in a 300 year history, we HAVE achieved great things?  you're comparing an adult to a child.  please consider that when YOU compare iran to the US.

i challenge again anyone to show me where i've been racist.  or insulting to any iranian (unless of course it's the charming anonymous who doesn't deserve curtesy or respect after his little comment).

i respect the traditions and culture of iran.  i'm looking forward to the day when i CAN see my husband's motherland and visit with his family and hamvatans.  i'm just not blind to reality.

peace out.

Dear Daryoush

Ay bivafa, mashroob ro tanhaie zadi to rag?

Noshe janet     ;-)

capt_ayhab [-YT]

Kashani

I have seen many writings from you on this site[lets call them writings]. without exception, everyone is designed to demonize Iran and Iranian in one form or other.

I am sure you have your reasons which as you see from the comments decent ladies and gentlemen post is rather irrelevant. I say irrelevant, because your agenda has been total hatred of Iran and Iranian, amateurishly disguised under democratic and humanitarian mask.

Proof of my allegation is within the replies you receive for your threads, True that there are few who praise you, but hey everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter how racist and hateful it is. 

You have gone and done a half ass research to dig up some half ass data, which you try to represent as total fact. Your data is one sided and lacks any objectivity, and is designed solely to demonize people who, by all accounts, been under one form or other of suppression. Yet you FAIL miserably in showing the entire picture of human right violations by USA.

//www.amnestyusa.org/us-human-rights/page.do?...

Human right violations in USA: Source Amnesty International:

1. Since June 2001, more than 334 individuals in the United States have died after being struck by police Tasers. AI is concerned that Tasers are being used as tools of routine force, rather than as weapons of last resort. Rigorous, independent, impartial study of their use and effects is urgently needed.

2. Thousands of New Orleans residents are still displaced over two years after the human rights disaster of Hurricane Katrina.
Due to a dearth in affordable housing stock, and with the majority of public housing still shuttered and facing demolition, long-term healthy alternatives remain elusive for those who wish to return.

3. Amnesty International campaigns against violations of individual human rights at every stage of the U.S. criminal justice system. Current cases include Gary Tyler, the Angola Two, and the Jena Six.

4. In recent years, more soldiers are refusing to participate in the war and occupation in Iraq. They have applied for conscientious objector (CO) status, which would allow them exemption from participation in war. However, the US government has denied most of these petitions, denying the freedom of thought, conscience and religion guaranteed by the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. These men and women become prisoners of conscience.

5. Racial profiling has impacted nearly 32 million people[1/2 of population of Iran] in the United States. When law enforcement uses race as a proxy for criminal suspicion, it puts all of us at risk, especially among recent rises in hate crimes and social and
economic discrimination.

6. There are more than 2,000 child offenders serving life without parole (LWOP) sentences in U.S. prisons for crimes committed before they were age 18.

7.  Policies of the US government have become increasing focused on tracking and persecuting individuals expressing their right to free expression, disregarding longstanding US and international law guaranteeing that
right.

8. The Patriot Act,

The list goes on, from forced de-clothing of female detainee's in police stations, to executions style killing of innocent people by police officers [Bronx Subway].

//query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990...

Kashani, unlike you I am not trying to demonize USA. But when you so shamelessly take every opportunity to demonize Iran one has no choice but to think that your agenda is NOT to EXPOSE IR , but it is to demonstrate your hate of Iran and Iranians.

I wish you luck in your endeavor

capt_ayhab [-YT]

Sweet AF

Sweet AF:
You don't need an IRI supporter to teach you about Iran. Use your own computer. Google is your friend.
Believe nothing just because a so-called wise person said it.

Believe nothing just because a belief is generally held. Believe nothing just because it is said in ancient books. Believe nothing just because it is said to be of divine origin. Believe nothing just because someone else believes it. Believe only what you yourself test and judge to be true.: Buddha - Hindu Prince Gautama Siddharta

A good read

Here is what I just saw:

//www.payvand.com/news/09/feb/1168.html

Dear anonymous fish

Yes, you are correct. There was a time during revolution that the "temporary" government confiscated homes, killed opposition, closed the Universities to bring about "cultural" revolution, chaning the courses and the materials. Forcing women to wear Hejab, taking the normality of life away from the people.

That's the meaning of revolution. It didn't end there. Then we had a 8 years war and sanctions. Iranian revolution WAS in fact stolen by bunch of Mullas.

Yet Iranian people have not given up. One trip to Iran and you progressive women, men and society that does not want to be stock in a backward religious ideologies. Yet Iranians have a lot of pride, similar to many countries in the world. Most Iranians prefer to stand up on their own. The success of the Iranian immigrants in the US is related to this.

Many Iranians in Iran, including myself, don't believe that everything is evil, don't believe that we want another revolution, don't believe in wars and sanctions. We just want to live the little left of our lives, with stability and peace. If the world keeps making excuses and fake allegations to pick up a fight, then we have to respond, be prepared for wars and hard times. As a nation we will, but why all this?

Iran is not the regime alone. A lot goes in to this formula, and people of Iran can be trusted more by the west than many of the US' best friends in the region. Unlike what you MIGHT think, a visit in Iran will show you that there is no "fundamentalism" existing in Iran, regardless of what some idiot Mullah says in one corner of the country, or what the western media broad cast. That's not the mix.

I suggest that in the near future, take a trip and meet the country. I would love to hear then what you think.

NOTE: As an Iranian I can tell you that Iran doesn't care about the state of Israel, meaning, don't hate Israel AT ALL, but when it gets to the topic of a country wanting to "bomb" mine, then it's personal. My mom, sisters  and uncles live here, no one can dare hurting them. And that's the bottom line.

Sorry everyone for the heated conversation, but here in Tehran I had to spend a large amount of money to get some Alcohol, and the stuff got my blood rushing to my brains. Although not soon, but it WILL happen again ;)

Very few serious article ever gets published

on Iranian.com anymore? Why? Unfortunately, because this web-site is no longer a credible source for information. Compare the quality of writers posting on other serious web-sites and you will see the difference.

As for those Iranians who are still fighting to ensure that this web-site does not become totally swamped by propagandists and one for Iran bashing I commend you for not giving up.

The amount of nonsense that I read is so overwhelming that to respond would mean that one has to even provide native Americans a history lesson (101) about their own country.

Before those who have hardly spent time reading one book about Iran's history try to compare the history of a country with less than 300 years old to one that has 5000 years of history - I suggest that they start reading American history and why and how the U.S. got itself into wars that had nothing to do with it; but simply as a means to create an American Empire which in fact is already spiraling downward do to its own "corrupt" policies termed as promoting "American values" and spreading of "American democracy". A joke!

Anonymousfish - you are totally unqualified from making any such comparison or speaking about Iran.

The day you have demonstrated you are well read, well researched and educated on this subject then maybe one can listen to you, but until then your ranting and repeating jargon is not worthy of a response.

Don't expect people here to educate you - education starts by ones' own attempt and willingness of finding out facts from a variety of sources; and requires a lot of reading (which takes tremendous amount of time and is hard work) and not just sources which help to formulate what you want to hear, but a balanced read in order to arrive at the truth.

Furthermore, if you are so interested about Iran nothing helps one more than getting on a plane and visiting a country which you are so willing to demonize in all aspects.

As for well meaning Iranians, I don't believe we must set our values and benchmarks based on western values. If the U.S. and Israel are committing crimes in the name of democracy, we must push these examples aside. We need to look at our own ancient history and our own roots and emulate a system that is compatible with our own cultural values and the beliefs and wants of our own people.

Iran is far from being perfect but I believe it is far more flexible to change than what I am seeing in western countries.

کورش خان

کورش خان
انقدر خودتو ناراحت نکن. این بابا اینجائیه هیچوقت هم نه ویزا گرفته و نه برای سیتیزن شدن امتحان داده. حالا یک کلیمی با اسم ایرانی میاد ایرانیها رو مسخره میکنه دیگه... اینم مثل همون صیهون نه دلش برای ایرانی سوخته و نه ایران را تا بحال دیده. ما که حچرندیات اینها را میخونیم باید عاقل باشیم و دم به تله ندیم. اینحا پر از عوامل ضد ایرانیه. متحد باشیم و جلوشون بایستیم خودشون دم مبارک رو میذارن لای پا و گورشونو گم میکنند. موفق باشی

Here you go again Kaveh, when will you ever stop?

Kaveh nouraee.

It is unbelievable that you are still spewing the same nonsense as before, Just like a parrot and as if you have been paid to do this. I am sorry for being so blunt, but between you and me and all the Hozare hazer in this website. You really are Nuts. Sometimes I read your comments and think to myself, wow, this guy is something else, at other times, i feel like nothing less than puking at reading your comments. Honestly bro.

You have shown how disrespectful you are By immitating the persian accent every single time you go on a rant on this topic. What a shame that there are some iranians who are Not like Mr. Kaveh and Just can't speak with a perfect accent as Hazrate kaveh does. Yeah, so what do we do? let's bash them and let's make fun of the way they talk. Why not!

You most certainly got this information out of one of your alcohol-induced dreams, that people go and beg for a F.. visa from The INS. You don't know the first thing about How honorably most iranians go through this process and Could f.. care less if they are denined.
The number of applicants for a US visa has been on a steady decline becuase people prefer to spend their time and energy where they are not Insulted and humiliated for a visa. And oh yes, Also because All of a sudden it has been decided that iranians pose a serious threat to the national security, So all these sophisticated agenicies, instead of blaming their disorganized and Shoddy Job of keeping and comparing records, For letting any dumbfreak into the country, decided to take it out on innocent people, including iranians.

You need to wake the hell up and smell the coffee or something else... The Time when people used to get free hand outs from the Gov is OVER. The time when some iranians Used and abused the system, and claimed their entitlements are over bud. Nowadays, They rob you out of your dignity for an ounce of anything.

We are not the only ones who don't like things here. You are one of us as well, yes, you and your anti-democratic nonsense. Why is it That Kaveh has the right to badmouth everyone left and right, yet gets to stay here and do buisness, but all other need to Shut the hell up, and get on the plane and leave? Why don't you?

Come to think of it.. you really are something else.

xerxes

just a couple of quick comments before i really strap in and let loose.  i watch virtually NO tv.  we do watch alot of persian movies and iranian TV.  my husband listens to iranian radio all day long.  he talks to me for hours on end about his experiences growing up in iran before leaving after revolution.  he's told me in great detail HOW he got out of iran.  his brother is now in the states and we spend a good bit of time with them and their three children.  we live in an iranian (gaelic) home. he reads persian books by the half dozen at a time.  he speaks, writes and reads Farsi fluently.  he IS the real deal. 

i do admit one big mistake.  i thought from what he was saying was that women could not own property.  i apologize.  what he was saying was that his mother and fathers home of 30 years was seized after his father died because the regime confinscated their property.  my misunderstanding.  bottom line, their family home was taken away from them.

it has also been my understanding from reading many iranian authors that university was closed to students.  that students disappeared and were never seen again.  are these stories true or are they of a specific time?  maybe so.  but i know that american children are not forced to scream anti-iranian slogans.  you will never hear any school teaching their kids "death to iran". 

i came to iranian.com to learn.  teach me.  explain to me what i'm wrong about.  tell me that women walk the streets in freedom. tell me that single men and women can ride together in a car.  tell me that iranian lovers can walk the streets holding hands. 

in other words, learn me.  :-) 

anonymous fish

I actually disagree. Most Iranians here don't understand the meaning and beauties of those arts. I am shocked as what you think Iran is? Really, this is the 21st century and you still think that people in Iran are all living a miserable lives? or they CAN'T appreciate arts and poetry that their country offers?
Here in US you are fed a lot of crab! At least the Europeans are a bit more informative.
You are watching too much TV and hanging out with people very similar than yourself.
As you answer more comments, it shows your level of understanding about the culture, position, life styles and history. It's really really low. maybe as low as the 7/11 clerk guy in the city next door. You are mentally lazy and want to be fed information, but too arrogant to listen or learn. So I am done with this. I mean come on, get real.
I really think you need to travel more.
Having problems with the government of Iran is one thing, which is a domestic Iranian issue, but people are Iran are not what you might be thinking of them. They enjoy life much more than you possibly can imagine. I mean that.
Not so salty, not so sweet. Haven't you spoke about Iran with your husband?
wow, where do I start?

Your data is biased.

Your data is wrong and biased.

Your sources: cia.gov, Guardian, Economist, Wikipedia(5 times), and BBC.

Why aren’t you answering WHY Guardian, Economist, and BBC are using an incorrect name instead of Persian Gulf? Then you call us Islamo-Socialist propaganda machine subscribers?!!

The above sources have NO credibility among the majority of people (Iranians and no-Iranians).

xerxes

and just what are all those cultural achievements (of which there are many and i have been EXTREMELY vocal about my appreciation of them) doing for your country now?  what are you talking about when you say "social justice"?  WHO is enjoying that art and poetry?  iranians living abroad, that's who.

you can't even appreciate the cultural beauties in iran under the current regime. 

haven't i said time and time again that america has a dark history?  or do you just "generalize" all americans?  the difference is that WE HAVE LEARNED. and are continuing to learn.  do you really not understand the difference?

we have a system that allows us to choose our leaders.  have some of them been bad for the country and the world.  NO DOUBT.  but we have the opportunity to change them.  and hopefully we will continue to change for the better.

i can't stress enough the pride i have in the changes america has made in 300 years.  you seem to think that that means i approve of or condone our mistakes.  how narrow minded that attitude is!

yes, i absolutely CAN have it both ways.  i can be red, white and blue proud of my country while even aknowledging her faults.

are you seriously suggesting that there are more americans living abroad than non-americans moving to the US?  seriously???

to anyone who is "stuck here", i am truly sorry that you feel that way.  please just don't pretend that those people are "american".  YOU can't have it both ways.

if i have insulted anyone who respects themselves and their fellow man, i apologize.  for those of you who insult me and my country and charge me with baseless accusations such as racism, i say that you are not qualified to speak of injustice.

america does not need or want you.  we value the many contributions that iranians have made.  we desperately want peace with iran so that our people can truly co-exist. 

i don't know what else i can say.

peace out.

Your data is wrong and biased . . .

Your data is wrong and biased.

Your sources: cia.gov, Guardian, Economist, Wikipedia(5 times), and BBC.

Why aren’t you answering WHY Guardian, Economist, and BBC are using an incorrect name instead of Persian Gulf? Then you call us Islamo-Socialist propaganda machine subscribers?!!

The above sources have NO credibility among the majority of people (Iranians and no-Iranians).

When a police beat the hell of people in the U.S., you would say... it was just the police. If this happens in Iran, you would say it was IRI.

Watch for the source(s) of your data if you do not want to be ridiculed.

Be Cool guys! Iran's enemies are at work!

I know of fantastic articles from an Iranian Oxford Phd that doesn't get published on this site, but trash like this gets published! I wonder why! 

Kashani says" "let's expose this regime..." Expose? I think the whole world knows how horrible this regime is! What more is there to expose?

Your writing is not about the regime, it is about being anti-Iran and glorifying America and Israel unjustifiably! All of us writing here are totally against the regime, but we love Iran more than anything else! Ignoring the crimes of israel and America is what you are doing and that tells me a lot!  Your real name is not what you claim! What is before "Kashani" in your last name? Don't hide with this ficticious name! what district of Kashan are you from? Kashi? No wonder it is only under our feet!

Let's end this session now! That's enough of wasting of our precious time! Enjoy the mankind and love your family and friends and Iran! Peace!

Responses

To all you guys who posted kind comments, I appreciate the support and stay on course. Sorry if I can’t name you all, but I know and you know who you are!

I wanna say that I’ve seen some of the most desperate attempts by the Islamo-Socialist propaganda machine subscribers to discredit any argument in their postings to this article.  They are really getting desperate. And as they get desperate they resort to the options of character assassinating (calling me an Israeli with an Iranian name!) and calling sources like “Reporters without borders”, a very highly respected and neutral global organization, as “Zionist tool” and things like that ….!!!

So guys stay on course and expose these regimes more and more. Not only truth is on our side, but we got facts, figures, logic, reason and means to prove them. These people know deep inside that the days of their favorite illegal and illegitimate regimes are numbered as long as the world get to know what their true nature are.

So lets keep doing what we doing. Please collect datas of these sorts and send them to whomever you can, your congressmen, senators, NGOs, Human Rights organizations, U.N, EU, …..Please expose these regimes. Remember you are civil society and you can make a difference. IRI has fooled the world for 30 years now. Lets the world what the truth is.

I am sure

Cherokees, Seminoles and Mr. Kocheez would like to see every one to leave now, starting with Kaveh N, MRX1 and rest of you LOL

Xerxes, enough is enough...

You have shown enough of your intellectual prostitution. Stop embarrassing the true Iranians who take pride in respecting their neighbors, their elders, their hosts….
Have you got no shame? You say:

No one gives a damn about the unfair, racist American politics, most people are here because of economic reasons and opportunity.”
You come here for economic reasons and opportunity, but willing to help those who plot to destroy the system that gave you those opportunities. When that happens you pick up your bag and become parasite of another system?

Shame on the hateful tone of your posts.

Cyrus

You have a point and we should pay attention to the root causes and there are some legitimate grievances against other countries through out our history but how can we blame our (Iranian) human rights record on America or anyone else. Or our disregard for economic principles (I know the sanctions have not helped but that is just part of the problem) or when we close universities for some years and after wards replace academically capable university professors by others that may have better political credentials? As you probably well know the list is long. We must accept some responsibility as a matter of fact we should accept a lot of responsibility for the present state of the affairs.

Some class acts commenting

Some class acts commenting up in here lol. It's like an Iranian Jerry Springer show.

XerXes, what do you do for a living if you don't mind me asking? I'm guessing... maybe warehouse stock boy? Or maybe you do Quality Control at some manufacturing plant? Whatever it is, the real Xerxes would be proud, I'm sure :D

AW/AF, I'm guessing they say "redneck" because its the western/white equivalent of what Iranians call them all the time and they can't think of anything more hurtful to say.

Wow . . .

i'll put my 500 year old country against your 5000 year old one any day of the week. if you want to pretend that's insulting, fine by me. Anonymous fish

Not only you are a redneck, you are a lousy one. How many Americans live in other countries, especially those that you and others like you hate? Much higher than I-ranians who live in the US. Certainly, over 85,000 Americans living in KSA do not kiss their butt (I agree with you that some I-ranians are kissing the US butt.) To some extent you are right about some I-ranians, but wrong big time in other areas.

anonymous fish Cool let's begin. lol

Would you like to start with poetry, philosophy, science, religion, or social justice? How would you like to put your 300 year old country against Iran? please let me know and we shall start.

Are you talking since the civil movement of 1968? (was it?) or would you like to go back to the cowboy days of "civil society" of America, where as you know, there were all but just and peaceful people with no criminal history.

Or would you like to go from the beginning, where the White a$$holes of those days Wiped "Red Skins" off the map?
Or would you like to proudly talk about the mafia crimes in the dry season of America. Or would you like to talk about inching of black people? Or Nuking the Japs? Or wiping the jungles of Vietnam and its people clean? I don't mind you being proud of your country, but you are can't have it both. Talk about the Human Rights, Woman Rights, then speak like a true Israeli fascist. pick one, since we all know that last is what you are.

That's why we are saying, you are racist, arrogant, and need to educate yourself before acting superior. Because at the end of the day, information is what it counts.
I am sure your challenge was to talk about the Bee Gees and disco and prove that US has a great history. IF that was the case, excuse my comment.
(granted US today is better than Iran today, historically, give up yo. But is that saying much, that US is better than Iran, being the most powerful country of the world?)
European government, society is much more educated and mature, that's for sure.