Iranian of the Day

SHe is soooo Cute

I love her eyes.  I feel for her too.  I saw her without hijab in an interview with BBC/english.

I think most girls look better with stylish scarf instead of bare headed.  I am not against bare head but I personally find it is more attractive with scarf and a bit of hair showing.

thanks

Mina - the solution

"You see the solution in investigating those who may or may not lie.  I see the solution in removal of this corrupt regime by brave people in Iran".

No, Mina!  You are misunderstanding me!  What I said did not imply this conclusion at all!  I too see the solution in the removal of this corrupt regime by Iranian people, what I am wary of is the method through which this is done.  I believe in the exposure of crimes and empowering people through diligence and distinguishing fact from fiction. 

Setareh

I do not expect a response. I just need to clarify an important point. I do not believe that, IRI's inability to investigate such acts, makes it vulnerable to fabrication.  I think its rush to rape, torture and murder the opposition, that makes it vulnerable.   

You see the solution in investigating those who may or may not lie.  I see the solution in removal of this corrupt regime by brave people in Iran.

Have a good day.

you're welcome Setareh

"AnonymousIII-2 - Thank you for clarifying it for Capt!"

As many people have observed and commented (and much to your chagrin) I always try my best to make sure that fairness prevails, even when the comments are not addressed to me...and even when it involves defending a troglodyte like you!!!

Note:  this is the second time I have had to educate you today.  At this rate I'll have to start billing you!

Look who just put her foot in her mouth !

Lets see who is the most vulgar of all people, the one who has been acting like a  goody too shoes.

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Setareh Cheshmakzan
Thu Jul 30, 2009 03:59 PM PDT

تو یا سالهاست که ایران نرفتی و بی فرهنگ بار اومدی یا اصلا ایرانی
نیستی و هیچ وقت ایران رو ندیدی که با این وقاحت  زنان ایران رو عقب مانده
می خونی.  عقب مانده تویی بیچاره، نه شیر زنان ایران.

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I should say woman with this much vulgarity, who does not hesitate one minute in bad mouthing people's family certainly has no right to be acting like mother Theresa and certainly is not qualified to render any form of advice to anyone.

Listen to me very carefully lady, I have kept my cool with all of your ignorant and childish name callings and slanders. I suggest you mind your manors when you comment on my person. Because I have no intention of stooping to you [chaleh meydooni] level and belittling myself.

Now I am done with you. ;-) Hopefully khanoom mohtaram, we do understand one another now.

-YT 

Capt and his rage!

Capt, one word of advice to enable you to keep up with your optimum standards of discourse: "Read carefully"!  

AnonymousIII-2 - Thank you for clarifying it for Capt!  

Good day to both of you too! 

"The only logical answere

"The only logical answere to this question is :because, even if it is a lie, it is a very believable lie.  It is a believable lie because, it has been going on for the past 30 years".  

I entirely agree with you!  I have made it clear in my first comment/comments that there is rape and torture in Iran!  It is precisely the IR's inability to investigate these matters that leaves the scene open for fabrications also.  IR is unable to investigate because the abuse is systemic.  However you say:

"To me, the IRI's brutal and inhumane treatment of its own citizens is "the central issue". Instead of investigating this young woman's motivation, IRI's atrocities, need to be investigated and stopped.  Othrwise, there will be others, who might accuse IRI of similiar violations".  

Firstly I used the phrase "central issue" in the context of our discussion about how and when people divulge rape in view of possible cultural inhibitions.  I said: "motivation and the reason for disclosure is central".   

I don't disagree that the crimes and responsibility of the regime  is central in the wider context!  However, the IR's brutal and inhumane treatment of its citizens can only be addressed if the green movement can be shown to be credible and respectful of truth and justice.  If the movement uses the same tactics as the IR, whether it be in relation to unscrupulous fabrication of stories for political gains or to raise emotions, or it is disregard for due process of justice which includes respect for evidence, it is doomed to fail as a movement capable of promoting democracy, human rights and a more enlightened society in Iran.  

Furthermore,  as I asked before, "Are we to accept every story of rape recounted by a woman (or man) as truthful because there have been and are incidences of rape, even many incidences of rape?" Of course, not!  At least as far as my vision and priorities are concerned. To me, it is attempts at substantiation of evidence, as far as possible, careful examination of stories for credible evidence and accuracy that enables us to highlight the real crimes and distinguish them from rumor, exaggeration and fabrication.  

I am ending my contribution to this thread now because I believe many issues and stances have been clarified, even if we don't agree. Thank you too.  Have a good day.

Captain

No, no, no...she's calling me all of these things...as ususal.

:-)

I know why you would think that though, the way this person Indiscriminately attacks everyone in her sight.

Setareh

Can you provide clerification for this statement you made?

[News for Captain?!  You are always so rude and irrelevant I generally ignore you.   I have no time to read through your tracking to bring examples of your bigoted views and repeated insults and slander against
other commentators whom you disagree with.  I have observed your comments and approvals in the past in association with bigots,
Islamophobes and racists on this website, who do act like a gang, or often are the same couple of people with many IDs!  For anyone who
cares to read these comments, with some familiarity with this website, and some memory and judgement, they know what I am referring to in relation to the gang and yourself. ]

Are you talking about me? Are you calling me rude and bigotted? Are you calling me islamofobia? Are you calling me insulting? Are you calling me a racist?

-YT 

motivation and the reason for disclosure

You indicate, that, "motivation and the reason for disclosure is central".  Although, I do not agree with your position, I think this is a fair question. Let's assume that you are right.  Let's assume, that this woman's allegation of being raped and tortured is (might be) motivated by the political situation.  The important question, then, becomes  "Why the allegations of rape and  torture?"  Why did not she accuse IRI of something less "embarrasing", "shameful" and in a way extremely self-destructive?   The only logical answere to this question is :because, even if it is a lie, it is a very believable lie.  It is a believable lie because, it has been going on for the past 30 years.  To me, the IRI's brutal and inhumane treatment of its own citizens is "the central issue". Instead of investigating this young woman's motivation, IRI's atrocities, need to be investigated and stopped.  Othrwise, there will be others, who might accuse IRI of similiar violations.

Thanks for your response. 

Setareh & Captain

Setareh: please provide an example of your claim here:

"I have no time to read through your tracking to bring examples of your bigoted views and repeated insults and slander against other commentators whom you disagree with.  I have observed your comments and approvals in the past in association with bigots, Islamophobes and racists on this website"

Oh, so now, your position has evolved.  I support bigots and Islamophobes!!!!  It's funny how people's stories change when they are caught in a lie. :-)

Like I said before, either show an example of when I said something negative about Islam (or any other religion), or supported a bigot and or an Islamophobe or shut your mouth and stop slandering me and others on this site.  Obviously you can't do that and you are restoring to more slander to justify your previous slander.

And the blocking of my previous account had more to do with who I was having an argument with right before the account was blocked rather than the content of my comments.  In fact, the blog on which I was having the debate with that person was then magically deleted so there was no evidence of that discussion.  Who knows, that person may be you.  Either that, or you have been stalking me on this site.  Otherwise, out of thousands of users on this site, how would you have such detailed "knowledge" of everything that I have allegedly said and done on this site? :-) Also, note that I have never hidden that blocking.  In fact, while I could have chosen a different username to register to mask the previous identity, I chose the same user name (III was not available so I did 111.2) to tell everyone that I am the same person.

And let me educate you a little bit madam.  Let me show you the error of your way so that you can correct yourself.  Here you say this:

"As for a recent example, in the comment on Azadeh Salami, you were insisting how a 'devout' Muslim must behave."

That is absolute misrepresentation of my position.  I wasn't insisting on how a devout Muslim should behave.  I was expressing my opinion about the issue.  Unlike you, I do not attempt to impose my ideas or beliefs on anyone.  I stated my position, and you became engraged and have been calling me an Islamophobe since.  See where you are wrong?  Consider it free education that you didn't get in college. 

Moreover, when it comes to your behavior, I let the evidence speak for itself.  The threads that you appear on are perfect examples of your violent and confrontrational style.  The minute you show up on a thread you start slandering people, starting fights with them and belittling them. 

Look, we are not children and you're not fooling anyone.  Your ID shows that you have been registered for 12 weeks.  You have no postings or blogs.  Hell, you haven't even been commenting on this site much except for the past couple of weeks.  All of a sudden you show up and target me and a few others who have exposed a certain person consistently on this site.  You say that you think we are Islamophobes because we dislike "Mrs. _____".  And the dislike of "Mrs. ______" seems to be your only beef with everyone on this site.  Your writing style is eerily similar to a couple of other users on this site.  Need I say more?!!!!  If you have something to say why don't you use your real username?!!!

PS/ I do not want a response from a person like you.  You can rest assured though, I will continue to expose you for what, and more importantly, who, you are. :-)

Captain Jaan:  Thank you for your kind words.  You are correct.  I have never insulted any religion on this site, and I have always advocated respect for everyone's beliefs.  You don't have to agree with me in order for us to have a respectful exchange of ideas, like you and I, and I and many other people have had in the past.  This whole concept seems to be lost on this user who has been harasssing me on this site.  Either that, or as I suspect, she is one of our "friends" who is back to settle scores under a different username!  

Capt and Annonymous III-2

Capt - You insist that I am slandering you, although I expressed respect for you in my previous comment!  I am not interested in your interactions with the lady in question.  If I am wrong about my assumptions, I don't hesitate to apologize.  You have made very offensive remarks about me which are a long shot from the standards you claim to have set for yourself.  I hope you are able to observe this, sir!

Anonymous III-2 - This is a rare comment I address to you.  You were blocked out of the website for your repeated bad behaviour and have come back with a -2 :)  News for Captain?!  You are always so rude and irrelevant I generally ignore you.   I have no time to read through your tracking to bring examples of your bigoted views and repeated insults and slander against other commentators whom you disagree with.  I have observed your comments and approvals in the past in association with bigots, Islamophobes and racists on this website, who do act like a gang, or often are the same couple of people with many IDs!  For anyone who cares to read these comments, with some familiarity with this website, and some memory and judgement, they know what I am referring to in relation to the gang and yourself.  

As for a recent example, in the comment on Azadeh Salami, you were insisting how a 'devout' Muslim must behave.  That is why I likened you to Mesbah Yazdi!  Being devout is different from being a fundamentalist or a bigot.  It refers not to observance of religious edicts but to strong faith and a personal relationship with God.  To insist that a devout Muslim must observe hedjab in a particular way and observe all the other dictats in relation to daily life etc, many of which are outdated and incomprehensible, from someone who is not a religious bigot, indicates hostility towards Muslims.  It is the other side of the coin of Mesbah Yazdi and his cohorts in the IR who have done an outstanding job to promote Islamophobia!!  You want Islam to be seen as a 'backward', harsh and suffocating religion, that is why when someone does not observe those edicts, you insist that they are not a devout Muslim!  This statement is offensive to many devout Muslims I know who have strong faith, consider themselves devout, but do not observe those instructions.  

This is my final communication to you unless of course you change your attitude in future. Behave!

Mina Dadvar - context and motivation

The disclosure of rape could have a number of meanings and motivations and there is not a hard fast rule as to when and how someone discloses rape.  It depends also on the circumstances of rape and the motivation for disclosure.  Sometimes someone approaches for support and therapy for the specific issue of rape, at other times it may emerge after many months or years of being in therapy.  Not only many Iranians who live outside the country have adjusted to and adopted the cultural mores of the guest country to a large extent, but the question of motivation and the reason for disclosure is central.  In relation to this lady, I maintain that her presentation does not appear to be of someone who has so recently undergone torture and violent rape, even if she might be dissociated from the event, as you imply.  As I have pointed out repeatedly, there is a political context which beckons examining and questioning evidence.  This is NOT someone coming to therapy.  I don't even know whether she IS a victim of rape.  I don't even know anything about this lady (neither do you, I imagine) apart from her story that she has been in Iran and was detained, tortured and raped in relation to the recent events.  She seems to have been freed, let out of the country and was able to speak to the VOA.  On that basis, there is little to go by.   Anyhow, neither you nor I can prove or disprove anything in this circumstances, but the point I am repeatedly making is not to make a taboo of questioning and not to be blackmailed by angry emotions into silence and acceptance of anything offered as 'evidence'.  I doubt and question any piece of news and 'evidence' and stories from the IR; I extend my doubt to 'evidence' and stories from others.  We are not a unitary community all fighting the same battle and sharing the same politics and motivations.

Dear Mina, I have spend a long time on this thread trying to clarify my points.  I have to now get on with my own work and get some sleep too.  We seem to disagree on this issue, importantly because there is not enough information to go by and this is not a case conference on a patient!  Hopefully we will catch up on other threads and exchange views and impressions.

Setareh

I 

Setareh

I am glad that you have the relevant experience.  Based on your experience with our hamvatans, how likely, do you think it is for a young Iranian woman, to appear on TV and lie about  being repeatedly raped by several men? Considering the fact that there is such shame/stigma attached to any kind of sexual contact with the opposite sex.

How soon, do your clients disclose the names of their tormentors in therapy?  It takes those whom I work with at least 6 months to one year to divulge information, regarding their tormentors. Professional curiosity!!  

Thanks.  

Ms. Setareh

You stated[I was pointing out my observation about the hostility you share with that gang towards her.]

Firstly which GANG are you referring to? If you are referring to Mr. anonymou111.2, let me be very clear, I do hold respect for the gentleman even though I do not agree with much of his stances.

I have observed him to be fair, and I have no reason to believe that gentleman is an islamofobia. As a matter of fact I have witnessed him spar with few others in defense of freedom of choice, even though he does not even share the same faith. Dear madam, regretfully you are being totally out of line when you slander people like that. Unless you have clear evidence of the gentleman's hatred toward Islam, then I think you should retract your comment both about him and myself.

Secondly, I have already stated my dislike of person in question very clearly in this same thread and MY reasons as to why.

Why is it that you keep slandering me ?

Ajeeb ha 

-YT 

P/S Just for the records,  I have not had the privilage of knowing Mr. anonymous111.2 outside the comments that I have seen from him.

Setareh- Evidence Talks, Your BS Walks

if you're going around slandering me and other users by calling us racists, Islamophobes, etc., then should present your evidence.  if you don't, then that proves that you are a liar.  But we already knew that.  So, show us please.  Where did I insult Islam and advocated racism?  When you throw out serious charges such as that, you should stand by them.  You say that we are "known islamophobes and racists".  Aside from your oral discharge, what other evidence do you have that I am a racist and a Islamophobe? 

Is this how you conduct yourself in real life too? You go around slandering people?  Good thing this is cyberspace and it's anonymous.  Otherwise, you would have been sued a million times over by now for defamation. 

Che khabar-e, Mina, Kaveh, Capt!

Che-Khabareh - Thank you for the fair-minded intervention.  It is always good to see people who would not jump into conclusion and are prepared to read whole comments :)

Mina - I have lived away from Iran for many years but I return and have kept my contact and knowledge alive and up to date.  Interestingly, I actually have seen and do see Iranians victims of torture but as my clients the relationship and the interaction is very different from the issue at stake here.  There my job is NOT to doubt and to question.  My job is to listen, understand and treat. Speaking of rape is painful, humiliating and difficult regardless of nationality.  

I have already outlined my essential points about the particular political context and why treatment situation is different from these public disclosures.  I would not accept a gag on questioning and reserve my right as a concerned Iranian not to accept stories at face value, just as I wouldn't with the IR!  

Kaveh - Not at all!  I was not 'insulted' by you calling me Mr and your doubts cast on my expertise!   Neither my gender nor my expertise depend on these interactions!  I called you Ms not to insult you; I was being playful!  Sorry you missed the joke :)

Capt - I am not concerned about your interactions with Jaleho.  I disagree with both your styles,  I was pointing out my observation about the hostility you share with that gang towards her.  If I am mistaken I apologize.  However, as for quoting you "out of context" capt, your comments are present on this blog and elsewhere, as are mine.  Enough said.

Setareh Cheshmakzan

Dear Ms Cheshmakzan.  In response to your request for evidence, I admit, that,there is no hard evidence to back my statement.  However, common sense and familiarity with young Iranian women have been helpful in forming my opinion.

One of the reasons that many people suspcted AN of election fraud is that, he claimed an impressive victory in Tabriz (I think).  There was no hard evidence of rigging.  But most people said "It just does not make sense".  And you have heard the expression "When, it does not make sense, it is not true".

I think, you have been out of Iran for many years.  It also sounds like, you have not had much experience with Iranians who are torture survivors.  I, too, have been out of the country for most of my life.  But, for the past 17 years, I have had the priviledge of working with many Iranians, including the onese who have survived IRI atrocities. Based on my experience/knowledge,  I can tell you that the likelihood of any Iranian woman lying about such horrifying experience is almost zero.  Is it possible? Yes, anything is possible.  Is it likely? No.

Your second question, regarding the disclosure of the names of their tormentors.  Again, many might feel safe enough to talk about the experience, but not about the specific person who tortured them.  Many have the irrational but understandable fear of retaliation by the tormentor.  

Setareh

You doubt Maryam Saberi's story. Fair enough.

In your response to Sima you said:  "It is interesting you assume I am a man, "Sima' khanoum!!!  I am actually woman and have worked with women and treated traumatised women in psychoanalytic psychotherapy".

By Addressing you "Mr"  and asking you specific questions, I showed doubt (deliberately and not as a mark of disrespect) that you are a woman and questioned your qualifications and competence.

It is interesting that you showed your displeasure in your response by addressing me as "Ms" and I think you also evaded my questions.

I wonder how Maryam Saberi might feel about the doubts cast on her story?!!! 

Our personal feelings are irrelevant in the context of what Maryam Sabri alleges happened to her, so respectfully I will disengage from continuing with our discussions.

KP

P/S Ms. Setareh cheshmakzan

regretfully, you by quoting my partial sentence demonstrated that how you could take one's statement out of context. This is my entire statement:

by capt_ayhab on Wed Sep 23, 2009 07:24 AM PDT

But I will try my best to respect everyone, no matter how strongly I might disagree with their views. This is not to say that I have not
lost my cool at some points or the other, but then again I am just an ordinary human being with all the fault and flows.

End excerpt

There is a name for this type of quoting I presume ;-o)

-YT 

Ms. Setareh Cheshmakzan

My bad madam, in referring to you as Mr. That must have been a tremendous trauma to you to be called Mr. End Sarcasm.

You noted[It seems to me, however, that your lenient attitude towards certain
characters who are avowed and known Islamophobes and racists on this website relates to their attacking of Mrs Jaleho on various blogs and their feigned  support for the Green movement.  That is why, I said
"Your enemy's enemy is not your friend".]

#1 This thread is NOT about Jaleho so I will refrain from rendering my opinion about her person. As to my leniency toward her attackers, sadly she brings that upon herself, not anyone else. I have  personally been subject of her vicious, uncivilized, rude and downright degrading attacks without any provocation. So being perfectly honest with you I care very little for her person and what ever it is that she stands for. She takes all the credit for what people tell her since she is  first instigator of all attacks.

With all that said, If  sincerity of my stance on human rights and freedom in Iran depends on my support of Ms. Jaleho, let me put it to you frankly, I refuse that honor. However, allow me to enlighten you, despite all the slanders and insults Ms. Jaleho has dished out about my person, these what I have posted on a thread which was written about her:

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//iranian.com/main/blog/faramarz-fateh/jaleho...

1.

by capt_ayhab on Sun Sep 20, 2009 02:19 PM PDT

This is absolutely childish , ke chi beshe? is this your definition of freedom of expression?

Disappointing to see how we do not practice what we preach.

2.

by capt_ayhab on Mon Sep 21, 2009 07:28 PM PDT

Question: Freedom of expression only applies to what we like to HEAR?? Other than that is evil???? Do I have it correctly?????

Who are we to judge?

-YT 

P/S I am certain everyone is aware of my personal dislike for the
person subject of the thread. Soe e tafahom nashe khodaie nakardeh
>:|

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Have a great day madam.

-YT 

talk about disintergrating!

This thread has just gone downhill!  From a simple comment from Seterah saying that she had some concern about the authenticity of this poor woman's claim to the usual personal attacks!  This isn't the first time someone has mentioned that we all need to be careful of believing everything we see and hear.  And I'm quite sure that several of the people attacking Setareh on THIS thread, AGREED with that premise on the other thread.  I can't believe that anyone really believes that Setareh is personally doubting this happened and she didn't accuse anyone of lying.  She is simply saying what has been said time and time again on iranian.com.  Be careful of what you see and hear and say.  Several people have made the comment that we need to be careful of what we believe and spread because it might "hurt" the green movement.  No one disagreed them then!  In fact, several of the commentors here were the ones who agreed with that comment!!!!  I know I've said it before and I'm quite sure everyone else here has done it too, but we've all wondered about the sincerity of this person or that person, based on what, or rather HOW they look or sound.  Unfortunately, Setareh said her concerns out loud.  Once a person gets even the least bit defensive, words become weapons.

I'm not saying this or that is right or wrong.  I'm just wishing we could all step back and take a deep breath and try to give one another the benefit of the doubt.  Yes?

You're a psychotherapist?!!!!!!

"as a woman and a psychotherapist of many years standing..."

I feel bad for your patients.  I think you need some serious psychotherapy yourself.

and what about this beauty:

"...that your lenient attitude towards certain characters who are avowed and known Islamophobes and racists on this website relates to their attacking of Mrs Jaleho...."

So, anyone who attacks "Jaleho" is a racist and an Islamophobe?  Am I one too?  Because I remember a couple of "attacks" of my own against "Mrs. Jaleho".  I also see that 90% of users on this site disagree with "Mrs. Jaleho", including the Captain.  Are they all racists and Islamophobes?  I guess that will leave you and Jaleho as the only non-racist and non-Islamophobe users on this site!!!!!

what a load of crap this character shovels!!!!!! 

Capt Ayab!

"But I will try my best to respect everyone, no matter how strongly I might disagree with their views".  Unfortunately, your comments on this blog and elsewhere deviate widely from this desired standard, Capt.  Even in your present comment your apologies for having possibly "sounded rude" is rendered meaningless by your addressing me as MR Cheshmakzan!   

You say, Capt. that without researching your writing, I have accused you of Islamophobia.  Not so!  I am very familiar with your writing Capt and have always respected and admired your resolute stance vis a vis Islamophobia so rampant on this website.  It was not you whom I called an Islamophobe.  It seems to me, however, that your lenient attitude towards certain characters who are avowed and known Islamophobes and racists on this website relates to their attacking of Mrs Jaleho on various blogs and their feigned  support for the Green movement.  That is why, I said "Your enemy's enemy is not your friend".  

You say Capt. "Well my dear sir, no one, NO ONE who has worked with even one rape victim, should be so quick in rendering that kind of opinion without having examined the victim herself".  You are of course entitled to your opinions.  However, as a woman and a psychotherapist of many years standing, I have MY experiences and opinions which I have outlined in previous comments and do not repeat here.  I believe there is rape and torture in Iran but I do not know whether every single case that is publicized on the internet and this website is credible.  Am I supposed to accept them on faith because the alleged victim is a woman and the issue is about rape?  I will not!  There is a political background to this issue and I am not prepared to accept what I am shown at face value.  Not from the IR, not from anyone else!  I am not being bound by arbitrary taboos and blackmail.  

Finally Capt. I too am agonized and angry but I have learnt as a woman and through the particular nature of my work to check my emotions.  I too hope we can put this behind us (I certainly will) and in future discuss matters courteously and thoroughly and learn from each other's experiences and insights, even though we might disagree strongly on issues. 

Respectfully

Setareh Cheshmakzan 

WTF?!!!!

Who the heck is this "Setareh Cheshmakzan"?  It looks like s/he is yet another reincarnation of Jaleho under a different username.  What a vicious and obnoxious individual!!!

Someone said that to disgaree with s/he you are automatically wrong.  I agree.  Look at him /her on this thread.  S/he is like an out of control lunatic, grabbing everyone's "yagheh" as we say in Persian and trying to pick a fight with anyone who criticizes him /her.

Dude, get a hold of yourself.  There are different opinions in this world.  Not everyone has to agree with you.  And I love this part of his / her comment:

I have to remind you that your enemy's enemy is NOT your friend, Capt.  And this is what I am keenly aware of in my support and concern for the Green movement.

If you're so concerned about the Green movement, stop trying to discredit them by making unreasonable demands such as asking a rape victim to identify her attackers and be hysterical on TV just to please you.

I think Captain Ayhab was also right: in dige kiye????!!!!!

Mr. Setareh Cheshmakzan

You noted about me[I am sorry to see that your recent befriending of
Islamophobes and racists whom you address as "gentlemen" and express
enjoyment at reading most of their comments.]

I regret to see that you are quick to call me names and resort to slander and character assassination. Perhaps that is what makes us apart.

According to your logic, if one disagrees with other people's political stances, one must be hateful, belligerent, rude, unfair, and outright inhuman  to confront them. Have I got it correct so far?

You point out that I have {befriended] Islamofobs, and the only proof you have to show for is that I have called them gentlemen? My good man I should say that is stretching it pretty thin. Besides just for you to know, I do not come here to make friends, nor enemies. I come here to expand on myself as a human being. I come here to learn from 100's of people who have something logical, or even illogical to say.

I do not have to be friend with any to learn from them. I do not have to agree with everyone in order to be able to expand on my own horizons. I do not need anyone support to speak my mind and let my position known. But I will try my best to respect everyone, no matter how strongly I might disagree with their views. This is not to say that I have not lost my cool at some points or the other, but then again I am just an ordinary human being with all the fault and flows.

Mr. Cheshmajzan, I very seldom explain myself to others, since I see it none of their business, however in this case I elaborated on the issue for one reason alone. That is you, without any research into my own writings called me an Islamofobia. Hoping that this does not happen again, and you and I, regardless of our opposite views, can always conduct civilized and constructive debate, instead of stooping to childish level of name calling.

One final point, I said [In dige kiye] in response to your belligerence in defending your position, regarding doubt about Ms. Saberi's rape issue. Recall that you had claimed to have worked with rape victims many times in a professional capacity.

Well my dear sir, no one, NO ONE who has worked with even one rape victim, should be so quick in rendering that kind of opinion without having examined the victim herself. Besides, why should Ms. Saberi care, after having gone through such an ordeal, that what some people might think of her story. She has already paid huge price for her patriotism, by her honor, her womanhood, her dignity and the scar that shall remain with her for rest of her young life. This is my point sir.

In closing, if I sounded rude to your person, please be generous enough to accept my humble apologies. I am extremely sensitive to this particular issue and I allowed my anger to get better of me.

Respectfully

-YT 

Aren't we all supporting the same cause!

I am tired of all you whiners and whimpers arguing over legimicy of every damn article this site publishes online. You all seems to forget that we are all fighting the same cause. Damn. Who cares if this girl tells the truth or maybe half of her story sounds fabricated.

 We all know that these sorts of barbaric actions do takes place in our beloved country by those whose been sitting on the thrown for the past 30 years. Isnt it enough to know about the murders and tortures of innocent people that we hear about day in and day out and how far from the truth could this girl's story be? What am I missing here?

Lets not nit pick and argue over every incidents. Remember who the enemy is and lets stay focus on that. Hope to see you all in NY.

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TO XERXES

WHAT WERE THEIR NAMES ??  Are you shitting? you think IR perisons runs like AA?, hi my name is xerxes and I'm here to rock your world................

please change your name to ABUZAR,FAYSAL,eeinollah or something you like.             thank you Maziar

Capt and Ms Parsa - "Enquiring minds"?!

Enquiring minds need to suspend hatred and prejudice so that intended meanings are not distorted out of context.

By pointing out that this woman is not a rape victim in a "local women's shelter" I was replying to your previous comment, Capt. By that I mean the circumstances and the context of the allegations of rape and torture are political and the credibility of the evidence and our responses are tied up with the credibility of the Green movement.  I did not imply that the victim is less of a victim but I was referring to OUR role as the audience and spectators of these public disclosures - and not as workers and therapists in a local women's shelter.   Do you contend then that we must just believe any story as a matter of faith and that there is a taboo on questioning the veracity of stories?  

On another point, in reference to "in dige kiye",  I am sorry to see that your recent befriending of Islamophobes and racists whom you address as "gentlemen" and express enjoyment at reading most of their comments ("I do read many of your comments on different threads, although I might not agree with all of your stances, but admittedly I do enjoy most of them") has rubbed off on both your manners and comprehension.   I have to remind you that your enemy's enemy is NOT your friend, Capt.  And this is what I am keenly aware of in my support and concern for the Green movement. 

You might get a better sense of 'in dige kiye', if you read more carefully my comments on the blog your friend refers to and my other comments, to save yourself from the input of your friend's usual cheap lies and venom. 

Ms Kaveh Parsa - To demand the IR for public investigations of rape and torture does not mean illusion in IR's preparedness to do this!!  Demands for investigation raised by Karrubi, who painstakingly sought and gathered evidence, has brought and will continue to bring these crimes to public attention.  His concern for evidence and truth has vindicated and strengthened the Green movement's resolve. The nature of the response by the regime, that is, its unwillingness to investigate, its hiding of evidence, and its fabrication of counter-evidence, only serves to verify such crimes and to expose the responsibility for them at a high level.