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Iranian Navy Jamaran Destroyer: Quoting Tapesh reference

ناو شکن جماران از دروغ تا واقعیت.

۱. این شناور فقط یه ناوچه است.

۲. این ناوچه جماران کپی‌ ناوچه ۴۰ ساله وسپر(الوند) انگلیسی است که ۴ تا از این مدل زمان شاه در ۱۹۶۹ خریداری شده.

۳. تنها تفاوت خالی‌ بودن پشت این ناوچه برای فرود هلیکوپتر است.

۴. با توجه به زخمی بودن بدنه به نظر این یکی‌ از شناور‌های زمان شاه است که تعمیر شده.

ناو شکن جماران

ناو شکن جماران از دروغ تا واقعیت

//iranianpast.blogspot.com/2010/02/blog-post.html

There is more important stuff...

There is more important stuff for these regime to do than war mongering.Have mullah Khamenei and Ahmaghinejad thought about what will happen if an earthquake hit our capital, Tehran. With all those corrupt buildings and our cheap, incompetent government, it will be a catastrophic disaster worse than Heiti. Iran regime should learn from Chile government. Haiti is a poor country with no resources. but what about Iran? There is no justification for our corrupt government inactions.

مرحبا، احسنت

آفتابه لگن هفت دست.. شام و نهار هم که ملاخور شد. اين باعث افتخار امت اسلاميه که سری تو سرها شده و موشک به فضا ميفرسته و قايق جنگی با رادار و ضد رادار و انواع اقسام اردنانس درجه يک به دريا انداخته. خب حالا که به اين همه اهداف عالی رسيدن ما خواستيم پيشنهاد کنيم که يک آدم آهنی يا ربات جستجوگر مجهز به آخرين دستگاه های کامپيوتری به اون چاه معروف بفرستن ، چه ديديم شايد امام زمان را پيدا کنن تا بعد از معراج ولی فقيه، امور کارو بدست بگيره.

IMF - stick to your news jibberish

You are not the best there either.  Good luck to you.

You know that I was talking about Islamists in Iran and yet you divert attention to elsewhere in middle east.  typical. 

Desperate IMF

You have completely lost it ... ICI does much work for IRIAF today, but its intended purpose was much more than maintenance of aircraft. The analogy with Turkey and South Korea was for your incapacitate brain to realize what ICI WOULD HAVE BEEN had the Islamic Fuehrer not taken over, in other words what the ORIGINAL INTENDED PLAN was for ICI, which was the original topic.

Of course, with your severe mental condition which you have made evident by now, one cannot expect any more.

Now regarding SLV- the only incoherent crap is yours. The countries you mentioned- India, USSR (which gave rise to Russia and Ukraine) are large economies and in the latter case was a superpower and had to have SLV capability for strategic military reasons as well as civilian ones. And in case of economic and technological capability all those countries are way ahead of Iran. And they have taken care of their basic problems way better than Iran has, so the only stupidity in this regard is coming from you. Communications satellites? IRR is limiting communications to prevent an uprising, what are you talking about? Iran does not need its own communications satellites, nor imaging satellites unless it is for spying. As far as making money launching other people's satellites, perhaps you could be kind enough to lay out here a business case for doing such a thing- how much money will have been spent on the rocket program, and how many satellite launches will come to Iran by when to pay for this development so that it makes sense? Meanwhile billions of dollars in natural gas are just burning into the air in Iran while Russia and Qatar make a killing?

So no IMF, YOU get a hold of yourself and stop making completely idiotic statements that have no basis. You continue make a complete fool of yourself.

Again, what can one expect from such a retarded mind.

-Fair

More IMF jibberish

The rest of your jibberish is just more of the same:

1-I don't
care about South Lebanese and Israel, you do. They can pound each
other as much as they want, but just not with Iranian backing. My
people need the resources more, not yours. For yours, other Arabs
should help.

2-You don't know squat about patriotism, and have no
clue what I have done for my country, but such lack of respect is
expected from an adolescent mentally challenged South Lebanese posing
as a real person.

3-Oh, so the drunk pilot was kazakhi, not
Russian. Wonderful, so your Hezbollah employers in Tehran bent over
for Kazakhstan as well as Russia! Wonderful. And how exactly is an
American congressman going to help prevent drunk Kazakhi pilots being
allowed to fly Iranians around?

4-Regarding Saegheh vs F-18,
don't give me that BS. In 2006, Iranian Army General Ataollah Salehi
claimed that the Saegheh is more capable than an F-18:

//www.defenseindustrydaily.com/irans-new-saeg...

So
BS that it was not an official statement. And of course, world
response to that statement was ridicule, which completely diminished
the accomplishments of the Iranian scientists and engineers involved in
the Saegheh project.

Similarly, BS put out by you, like "Iran
manufactures planes and helicopters" and so on, when all it has done is
modify existing ones has a similar effect. It just takes away from the
true accomplishment of those involved, which would be much more if we
were not held hostage by Hezbollah. That is all I am saying and that
is all I have always said.

Now go ahead, show me how much SAVAD you have.

-Fair

Literate people can read

so when you claim something that I never said, you are not reading. Which means either

a)you are BISAVAD (unable to read)

b)you are not paying attention (AD as MM said)

so take your pick.

Of course, since you like none of these inevitable choices, you cry to me that I "kam avordam". If instead, you just stand behind your words, it would be much better. But no such capability from your end.

Another example of your BISAVADI is you claiming that I called you an "Islamist". Once again, if you have SAVAD, you should be able to find one post where I called you that, right?

Here is your golden chance to prove that you have SAVAD. Can you do that? Or is it the case that you "kam avordi"?

Which one will it be?

-Fair

I konw plenty

Especially those who beat, rape and kill in the name of Islam, while
filling their pockets in foreign banks (anyone you know?).

US military, Israeli IDF and who knows, look closer than in IC, I am sure you will succeed!

;-))

Your usual nonsense continues!

were created for much more than "repair and maintain" aircraft. Those
were done outside of these industries on airbases.

Not so! ICI does a lot of military work for IRIAF. 

If you want to know what these were created for, take a look at Turkish
Aerospace Industry or Korean aerospace industry, both of which were
years behind Iran in 1978. 

Again, poor analogy! Iran ICI worked under war time and sever sanctions. Both turkish and suth Korean are heavily envolved with US companies, in other words they do not have anything ingeneous as products but heavily modified American or European products from tanks to aircrafts with much of their systems and subsystems coming from abroad or built under license.

 And finally, the reason more countries do not have a launch capability
is that they have better things to do. You need to justify for all
Iranians what is the benefit to them for being able to launch a
satellite into orbit on their own, when there are so many other
countries that can do it more reliably.

Haha, this you come up with this by your own or somone helped you? You should look into mirror for more self admiration!

Any Bisavad knows why iran needs SLVs and satellites. Iran being a large country can bebefit greatly from satellite communication, imaging for both civilian and military applications (in case you missed, your beloved nation Israel has been threatening iran for nearly a decade with military attacks). Further Iran has been having problems getting its satellites lanched by other countries even by Russians. Iran's development of SLV and satellite technology will give Iran two things. Iran can build and launch its own satellites and in the future make money by offering launched for others! 

Switzerland could easily put together a space program and launch a
rocket into space, but they actually bother to ask "why?" First things
first. Whenever you can get electricity and water running all the time
in the Iranian capital, whenever you can make Iranian roads NOT one of
the most dangerous in the world, and you can take care of the most basic
technological and economic necessities of Iranians, then you can talk
about the merits of space launch capability. Until then, the world
laughs at a country whose leader is stuck in the 7th century yet sends
50 year old technology rockets into space that do nothing. 

You are getting desperate by the minute with incoherent crap you write!  There are eight ther nations that have such capabilities. Among them are Indi, Ukrain and Russia. to say theat these nations have taken care of all their basic problems and now going to launch satellites is shear STUPIDITY!clearly stemming from lack of understanding of the subject.

India is well known to have one of the worst infrastructures in the world, not to mention some other acute problems, yet they lauch their own satellites. Russia has been in this business starting 1957 as the first such country. They still have massine national problems from infrastructure to security issues. They still launch satellites. should I explain about Ukrain too? Or I have put you on shame enough ?

Get a hold of yourself, stop smoking and please make sense in your train of thought. Such crap you write make my lies even much more credible!

;-))

Kam avordi

you are a BISAVAD and cannot read. I have always said this in my posts
for ages. 

kam avordi and now resorting to faul language! Simply expected!

You continuely label others and me "Islamists" with negative conotation for sure and yet crying aloud you are not a racist? I am curious what these Islamists have sqeezed on you that you are still in excruciating pain? Well deserving indeed!

I am against Islamic FASCISTS, like the South Lebanese terrorists you
support,

Yes, those southern Lebanes  have shown far more patritism for their country that you could have in ten life times. Essentially what is it about them that bother you? Is it because they kicked Israeli fascisists ass so bad that the mighty IDF cannot yet raise its head? Or is it because they have the balls, as few as they are, to stand up a terrorist bully next door, something that most Arab countries have not managed to achieve? Or the palestinians who have been wahsed away from their lands by a terrorist nation? What is it that bothers you about muslims or Arabs?

as well as the mullahs who bend over to Russia who send us drunk pilots
and junk aircraft that kill more Iranians than Israel ever has. 

For someone who acss knowledgable you have no clue or intentionally misinforming public to prove untrue stories. There was no incident in ira with drunk Russian polilots but Khasaki pilot over shooting the mashad airport runway. Now since you are so concerned about Iranians safety, when was the last time you wrote to your congressman to release aircraft parts that by law US must as a manufacturer? I bet never!   But you have written here at Iraian.com several times about Iran aviation casualties and the Russian planes  and so on. You are like a coward who waits for misfortune to simply prove a political point! 

 If you bother to actually read my position instead of smoking mind
altering substances, you will see that I am for not making things up
(like calling a frigate a destroyer, or an F-5 with 2 tails a fighter as
good as the F-18), and upholding the TRUTH. (Hence my name).
Something you have no respect for.

Now this is very cheap indeed! let me prove to you who is amoking between you and I. As I said before, you are an oportunist nevertheless. Calling Saegheh F-18 was never an official statement rather a misundrstanding by poorly knowledgeable reporter on aviation science. In any case, such labelling does not change the facts. But who are you fooling anyway, for knowledgeble people such labeling don't mean much as they never confused me. Now for an intelligent person like you it would certainly be different story!you must be spoofed!

;-))

IAI and IEI

were created for much more than "repair and maintain" aircraft. Those were done outside of these industries on airbases.

If you want to know what these were created for, take a look at Turkish Aerospace Industry or Korean aerospace industry, both of which were years behind Iran in 1978.

In the meantime, you brag about these organizations reaching "ubelievable heights". Perhaps you can mention some of the highest of these heights for the readers here. What is the production of these organizations? How many billions of dollars to they bring in to Iran from export revenues? And what inventions and products are they known for worldwide? Remember, Samsung was well behind Iran's electronics industries in the 1970's. So that is the bar you will have to measure up to.

Now let us see who gets put to shame.

And finally, the reason more countries do not have a launch capability is that they have better things to do. You need to justify for all Iranians what is the benefit to them for being able to launch a satellite into orbit on their own, when there are so many other countries that can do it more reliably. Switzerland could easily put together a space program and launch a rocket into space, but they actually bother to ask "why?" First things first. Whenever you can get electricity and water running all the time in the Iranian capital, whenever you can make Iranian roads NOT one of the most dangerous in the world, and you can take care of the most basic technological and economic necessities of Iranians, then you can talk about the merits of space launch capability. Until then, the world laughs at a country whose leader is stuck in the 7th century yet sends 50 year old technology rockets into space that do nothing.

Do you have any other lies to spit out so that you can continue to make a fool of yourself?

-Fair

IMF: your labels do not stick any more than BS you throw around

VERY BRIEFLY:  Are we

Muslim haters? No.

Islamist haters? Yes.  Especially those who beat, rape and kill in the name of Islam, while filling their pockets in foreign banks (anyone you know?).

If you do not know the difference, look at: //www.journalofdemocracy.org/articles/gratis/Boroumand.pdf

Now, regarding missile

Now, regarding missile technology and aerospace achievements, there is a
thing called proliferation. They are once again achievements of
IMPORTING technology from countries that according to your definition,
Iran would have "bent over" to. The space technology is 50 year old
Russian passed down to N Korea passed down to Iran. They are no more
(and actually much less) significant than Iran getting IACI or IEI
before the revolution, nor those of Turkey or India or South Korea, all
countries who according to you have "bent over" to the west.

True Iran cooperated with N. Korea, however, by all accounts (even accunts from your beloved country Israel) Iranians are now teaching N. Koreans about missile and rocket design! That 50 years old space technology is a dream of 99% percent of nations to aquire but can't. In fact Iran is the ninth nation that became capable to launch satellite into space while the North koreans have had so much of difficulties and has not achieved it YET!. 

IAI and IEI, as you mentioned, are respectively Iran Aircraft Industry and Iran Electronic Industries both of which were created to "repair" and "maintain" aircrafts and in the case if IEI assembel maverick missiles. even then, much of the IEI manpower had left Iran by 1983. At the best, these industries would have stayed as they were created with no design capabilities if revolution never took place. under IRI both of these organizations florished to unbelievable heights. There is a lot more to say about what these industries have achieved that would put you to shame for using cheap and demeaning statements undercutting their achievmenst.

Again, you couln't have fooled me to take an iota of pride in anything that is acheved buy Iran neither would most people here!

;-))

This is news to you because

you are a BISAVAD and cannot read. I have always said this in my posts for ages.

Secondly, you manufacture lies once again when you say I am an Islam hater. Show me ONE post where I have indicated hate for Islam you MORON. Islam is a religion and is a private matter and is up to each person. I am against Islamic FASCISTS, like the South Lebanese terrorists you support, as well as the mullahs who bend over to Russia who send us drunk pilots and junk aircraft that kill more Iranians than Israel ever has.

If you bother to actually read my position instead of smoking mind altering substances, you will see that I am for not making things up (like calling a frigate a destroyer, or an F-5 with 2 tails a fighter as good as the F-18), and upholding the TRUTH. (Hence my name). Something you have no respect for.

-Fair

Iran still cannot produce aircraft

for your information. Iran can modify existing aircraft or at best produce a prototype. After 30 years. Meanwhile, you have demonstrated a tremendous manufacturing capability of your own- that of lies. Of course, what should one expect from a mentally challenged adolescent from South Lebanon trying unsuccessfully to impersonate an Iranian on an Iranian website.

Iran's universities in 1978 were growing very rapidly and the plans for aerospace departments were very well developed even back then. Furthermore, there was no fallen USSR from which Iran could just go and get scientists and second hand abandoned technology from. Nonetheless, Iran had established IACI, IEI, Bell Helicopter in Isfahan, and many viable ventures which were bringing technology into Iran. Successfully. All of these companies continue in Iran today thanks to the sheer interest and talent of young Iranians who want the best for their country. Not traitors like you who use Iran for other countries' interest while bending over for Russia, China, N Korea, and our neighbors in the Caspian.

We are Iranians. This is not Hezbollah.com or Hamas.com. The Islamic fascists should go to the terrorist training camps of South Lebanon that they came from, and let a national government of Iran take over to follow the will of the Iranian people, instead of rape and torture them and then brag about how strong they are by showing a copy of a 40 year old ship.

-Fair

Fair and his politically right move!

I am just as proud of every achievement of every Iranian everywhere,
including this frigate and the modified F-5 and other technical
achievements of Iranians, both inside and outside Iran. What I am
against (and you are not) is lying about them and being proud of
something that is nonexistent. That is the best way to minimize the
accomplishments of Iranians- by taking away their credibility in the
world.

Really! Oh man, that is news to me and to the forum here! What is the reason of change of heart?  You and ilks like you have every opportunity to express your gratitude to hard working Iranians and yet 100% of the time you see the glass emty and resort to your hate filled propaganda against Islam and IRI instead.

By the way, you Islam haters have to put it into your heads that those hands of iranians innovators, engineers, doctors and so on that areso creative are all MULIMS! Let me write it again, they are MUSLIMS! How could yu possibly be proud of them? That just does not go along with your religion, period!

;-))

No Fear

These pack of wolves that no one knows where they come from know exactly where they are going. Fortunately, none of their pathetic talks about Iran cannot hide thir true nature as bunch of Islam haters and indeed anti Iranians. They claim a lot of non-sense, one even claims that Iran could produce aircrafts under the shah. Iran did not even have a single aerospace department in any university in Iran then. How could you start designing and producing aircrafts? Even if iran did have a pool of aerospace engineers, woud Iran be allowed to do as such by the US at the time when billins of dollars of Iranian treasury unds were spend on bying US built aircrafts?

Iran would put Israel to shame as far as its military technology is concerned in a few years, that is the major fear for these Israeli fans here.

Israeli defence technologies are heavilly paid for by US taxpayers. Israel steals US tchnologies, bundles them with other hardware and sells to many countries around the world as Israeli technology!

Given half as much opportunities to Iran, Iranian engineers will do magic!

Ba Sepass

A patriotic South Lebanese

named IMF states the following:

One of the greatest geoolitical strategies of Iran is exactly that,
creating alliences with HZ, Syria and Palestinians to achieve many
objectives ... assist Palestinians and Lebanese to free their countries
from occupation (a very proud Iranian deed indeed) ......

Such a brilliant strategy is worth billions. ....ran's alliances are simply inexpensive for Iran gets in return!

Yup, such a brilliant strategy is worth billions- TO SOUTH LEBANON AND GAZA NOT IRAN.

So which country are you from IMF?

And where is the southern end of the Caspian Sea these days? One of the most strategically most important regions of the world today? We lost it to whom? Turkmenistan? Azerbaijan? Kazakhstan?

Oh- I forgot- you don't give a damn about this, it is nowhere near your home- South Lebanon. (btw congratulations on your Khamenei's great accomplishment of "freeing" Gaza and South Lebanon. They are living really nicely now thanks to your "brilliant" policies...)

indeed what a bunch of anti Iran cheerleaders.

-Fair

More IMF lies

They have to cater to the US/West's demands.after all they both are
"highly" dependent on US economy and Arms. How could they possibly
becalled "nationally independent"?

Simple. Give me ONE example of where Turkey or S. Korea put the US or West's interest before their own. Otherwise, once again you have proven that you are just full of hot air and empty.

I have said many times, I am just as proud of every achievement of every Iranian everywhere, including this frigate and the modified F-5 and other technical achievements of Iranians, both inside and outside Iran. What I am against (and you are not) is lying about them and being proud of something that is nonexistent. That is the best way to minimize the accomplishments of Iranians- by taking away their credibility in the world.

And that is what you and South Lebanese thugs like you are doing. Since when do you care about Iran or Iranians. Iranian girls are being raped in your mullahs' prisons, Innocent Iranian citizens are being tortured and executed, and you don't say a peep. You are a stateless terrorist, what should one expect.

-Fair

IMF -cognitive difficulties

Not in Iran I didn't. These fields had yet to be developed PERIOD.

MM was right- you have AD. I believe you have brainwashed yourself so much and smoked so much good stuff that you actually have lost your mind. You didn't realize the significance of what I said, so here goes again (I won't hold my breath that you will get it though):

FYI, biotechnology and nanotechnology and robotics were not even
industries 30 years ago, and were only beginning as research areas.

That means they were not industries ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, not just in Iran. These fields had yet to be established anywhere.

It is like if I blame the mullahs for not having yet invented warp speed engines and travel faster than light. While such ludicrous stretches are acceptable to you, they are not for me. I actually have respect for the truth.

Now, regarding missile technology and aerospace achievements, there is a thing called proliferation. They are once again achievements of IMPORTING technology from countries that according to your definition, Iran would have "bent over" to. The space technology is 50 year old Russian passed down to N Korea passed down to Iran. They are no more (and actually much less) significant than Iran getting IACI or IEI before the revolution, nor those of Turkey or India or South Korea, all countries who according to you have "bent over" to the west.

Khoda shafat bedeh beechareh.

-Fair

Pathetic Islamic fascists

Pathetic Islamic fascists however, completely gave up huge chunks of the
Caspian sea, but have their "military" in places like Lebanon, which
has absolutely no strategic or economic or military value for Iran at
all.

One of the greatest geoolitical strategies of Iran is exactly that, creating alliences with HZ, Syria and Palestinians to achieve many objectives namely, put pressure on arch enemy and the only nuclear power Israel, assist Palestinians and Lebanese to free their countries from occupation (a very proud Iranian deed indeed)  and finally use these alliances as a leverage against US power. In fact, seeing the Israeli threats day after day for the past several years, i am convinced that if it wasen't for such alliances, Iran would be Iraq by now!

Such a brilliant strategy is worth billions. In fact, the US has been using such strategies in ME for the past sixty years in a much more more expensive way. Look at Jordan, a US dictatorship that onsumes billins of US military and non military aid free of charge from the US. Iran's alliances are simply inexpensive for Iran gets in return!

Iran is no less dependent today on foreign technology than it was in
1979. If you are arguing otherwise, once again, you are smoking some
real good stuff. If Iran wants to get 2010 technology, it still has to
import it. It has to "bend over" by your definition today as well- to
Russia, who just turns around and steals its money.

Stop the dobios tactics.My discussion as far as independence refers to a national independence. as far comparing iran with India, S. Korea and Turkey, of course the latter two do not have much national independence. They have to cater to the US/West's demands.after all they both are "highly" dependent on US economy and Arms. How could they possibly becalled "nationally independent"? As for India, its size in both population and economy creae a safeguard for their national independence not to mention their tipped nuclear missiles!.

I told you, you are a bigot with not much substance but a twisted hateful mind for islam and anything to do with it!

Swallow it! Iranians of all walks of life are proud of their achievements regardless how small that may be to anti islamists and anti iranians like you and your ilks. As oppose to others, iranians have accomplished all under all kinds of sanctions and economic hardship. EAT YOUR HEART OUT!

;-))

IMF...

You raised many good points. Iran was completely dependent on US and others during the shah era. We had hundreds , if not thousands of american personnels running our refinaries , oil explorations, military and steel manufactures. Even, we had to import nurses from the fillipines and doctors from India.  For heavens sakes, we couldn't even run the damn machineries, let alone build one. Those who think otherwise are retards.

Behind any successful program is our engineers and scientists. IR has developed many strong scientists. The proof is where the world competitions in robotics, physics, mathematics and etc are held. Almost every year our students win awards and beat teams from MIT and other notable universities.

Okay.. some hate to give the credit to IR. But the education ministry and the ministry of higher education is a part of IR and they have been very progressive about education in Iran. In comparison, shah did not believe in our own universities and he prefered to send student abroad and pay for their education. Some of those returned back to Iran , but almost all , stayed abroad and contributed very little to Iran's progress. A complete failure of shah's era education policy.

Please don't be discouraged by those who know shit nothing about Iran today, yet they call themselves Iranians. Its pathetic enough when they choose foreign names and defend the policies of US and Israel in the region. Thanks god they no longer run the show and their political stance has no pull or push effect. They have always been impotent and shall remain one.

Irooni

دمشون گرم.هر پیشرفتی ، حتی یه ذره باعث
افتخاره. تا بسوزه اونجای اونایی که نمی تونن ببینن

Inha agar Irooni boodan az inhajviat nemigoftan! Inha maani jadidi az "Doshman" hastand!

Damet Garm!!!!

rustamiran

not a destroyer but a corvette or at best a frigate based on alvand
model and chinese rip offs. They brand frigates as destroyers and
remodelled F5 as an advanced fighter.

But they did it! something that most cuntrries wish to do in a century!

kar Ra Un kard Ke Tamam Kard!

Fair

FYI, biotechnology and nanotechnology and robotics were not even
industries 30 years ago, and were only beginning as research areas.

I take it you finally admit that sich fields were developed  only during the revolution. Too bad you dropped iran's missile technology and aerospace achievments!!!!!

;-))

MM, you finally showed your true face!

I got it, you are yet another Islam hater here! In fact your main problem with Iran is just that. Ilks like you (and many others here indeed) are simply nothing but bunch of bigots that twist anything and everything and blame it on Islam. I am not at all religious, in fact by Islam's definition I am not a Muslim. However, My parents are so are 97% of Iranians. I find it ironic, that bigots like you, after spending years in the US/The West, come to public and openly express religious bigetory against all this country's laws and regulations and yet prtend you want freedom and democrachy for Iran. This is nothing but a JOKE! Haife Noone!

Let me give you a cultural advice, Iranians in general have a historic strange sense of Islamic religion but they are religious nevertheless. Islam will stay strong in Iran regardless of how you and your ilks may think!Your foreign born efforts to "conquer" Iran by creating a division among Iranians who are religious and those who are not certainly will bear no fruit, 

In fact, you will need not worry, you will fossilize right here in the USA with your pre-Islamic delusions of Iran. In fact, that best serves people like you.

You not only have alzheimers desease but also suffering from delusions too.

As for Iran dealings with Israel during the war, I refer you to my writing here: //iranian.com/main/news/2010/02/18/dubai-...

You and your buddy SP are desecrating the regular Iranian army by
pretending to be army experts, but we know that you are Islamists hiding
behind the military facade.  And, if anyone is interested in seeing
what you all wear, visit:

How on earth YOU could be praising Iranians when you openly advocatiog a nation of 'bend overs' is beyond any body's imagination.

But, be my guest, if you think except you and ex-pat ilks of yours Iranians will buy your nonesense form of "patritotism" then continue your  twisted religious hatred speechs here and everywhere.The more you open your mouth the sooner iranians are convinced of what you are really wering and for whom! 

;-))

Important!

Iranians must really understand and truly grasp a few things about their country and its history:

1) We are blessed with natural resources.

2) We are also blessed with human resources.

3) But we are cursed with geography.

In the past we were always at greater risk because of our geography and we even were pushed to the edge a few times. This time if Iran manages to get on its feet in a few decades it has to remedy its geographical weekness so it will not pay a heavy price like it did when it was overrun from southwest (Arabs), northeast (Mongols) or northwest (Mecedonians).

now AO or Fair, do you really expect a straight answer?

Or just more hazyoon under different names that suddenly join the conversation when one explains what they are?

This is

not a destroyer but a corvette or at best a frigate based on alvand model and chinese rip offs. They brand frigates as destroyers and remodelled F5 as an advanced fighter.